That confirms all the names currently in RED except Casey Stevenson.Originally Posted by Don_Veto
clear, concise, correct
So figure about 15 more to be signed from the rest...
I happen to think 12-15 more players will be signed. I think these players will be signed: Culver, Gumbs, Segedin, two of these three: Kahnle, Burawa & Jacob, and Encinas. The rest is a crap shoot.
im waiting to move the players from red to black until we get a signing bonus or assignment, but red means (for all intents and purposes) that the player is signed
"Montero hasn't delivered completely on his raw power, but he's close to projecting as an 80 hitter with 80 power on the 20-80 scouting scale"-BA
Would love to see them get Williams, Jordan and Anderson too, though its not likely they sign all 3. Would be great getting all those toolsy outfielders into the system
Based on reading between the lines from Oppenheimer's interview on PSP, I think both Encinas and Morton are signing with the Yankees. Morton isn't even playing summer ball so what does that tell you.Originally Posted by Januz
I think Encinas and Morton are the two key pitchers to get done and expect both to be done. After that is the canadian, kish and 2 of the 3 closers (Kahnle, Jacob, Burawa)Originally Posted by Yankees1962
I think the Yankees have a good shot at Morton (Although I do not feel as confident about him as I do about some of the others).. "There are a couple of interesting quotes from Tennessee Coach Todd Raleigh at Go Vols Xtra: Sometimes there's no rhyme or reason for any of these things, and recruiting is one of those things that we probably spend the most time on as a staff, but we have absolutely zero control over this - zero," Raleigh said. "We have no say over who the Yankees take or how much they offer a kid, so it's a tough deal. You can pull your hair out, but what you've got to do as a coach is you've got to project some of this stuff"..... Also this one: "money could be the biggest obstacle for Raleigh. He can't offer bonus scholarship dollars, but the Yankees can basically offer right-hander Taylor Morton as much cash as they want to sign him". Based on those comments, Raleigh does not seem to be very confident that Morton will be showing up on campus.
He has good reason to lack confidence. The Yankees consider Morton one of the top five priorities in this draft.Originally Posted by Januz
IMO, Morton has a deal with the Yankees that won't get announced until August.Originally Posted by Hughes2.50
I agree.Originally Posted by Yankees1962
I think they already have a number with Morton.
If you mean the Yankees and Morton have agreed to a number - I'd agree. And of course they can't announce it because it is overslot. I think they have agreements in principle with Culver (sign after graduation); Williams probably; and Gumbs too.
The fact that Morton isn't playing anywhere this summer is pretty telling for me.
Now you're going overboard. I agree with Culver and they'll probably get Gumbs done, but I think they have a way to go with Williams yet.Originally Posted by Hughes2.50
I don't see why Gumbs would be overslot.
Slot at #82 (Gumbs) is 430K or so; Gumbs will not sign for 430 K as a first year elligible player with a college scholarship.
Maybe so, but I believe they have an agreement in principle with all these guys (Culver, Gumbs, Williams, and Morton). I also believe they have an agreement with Segedin at a lower rate, but still overslot.Originally Posted by Yankees1962
The odds favor an agreement with Morton, but they still have a long way to go to get certain guys signed. Here are the difficult ones: Jacob, Jordan, Williams, Dean, Rutckyj, Viramontes, Kish, Gamel and Burawa. If they land 4 or 5 of them plus (Gumbs, Segedin, Encinas and Morton (I am sure Culver is done)) it would be a successful draft. I thought Burawa might have been easy (St Johns) but since he is going to be a summer follow, and they have other pen options (Kahnle comes to mind as does Jacob), the odds are a non-sign (Viramontes and Kish are summer follows as well).
We've gotten a number of HS kids with scholarships for that number or less before.Originally Posted by Hughes2.50
I was doing a little research and found that the 2009 draft budget was $7.6m (DeLuca's $500,000 increased it to $8.1m). There were several big ticket signings in there. Heathcott: $2.2m, Murphy: $1.25m, Cotham: $675,000. Mitchell: $800,000 and Stoneburner: $675,000 Adding those contracts up, you come to a total of $5.6m (Interesting enough, that left a budget of $2m on the nose, for the rest of the signees (DeLuca excluded)). It is not unreasonable to project the budget being in the same area this year. As far as individual projections are concerned. I could see Encinas and Morton signing in the COMBINED range of around $1.3-$1.5m (Using the contracts of Mitchell and DeLuca as a guidepost (Since BOTH were HS prospects)). Culver, Gump & Segedin could essentially equal Heathcott's $2.2m and Cotham's $675,000. The earlier signed players probably cost around $1m. So I project around $2.9m-$3.0m left in the budget for some combination of Williams, Kahnle, Burawa, Anderson, Gamel, Dean, Rutckyj, Jacob, Jordan, Kish & Viramontes. That should get them 4-5 players more (With the Murphy money ($1.2m) set aside for Williams or Jordan).
Gamel is probably locked up: From The Florida-Times Union: Gamel has signed with Florida State, but it appears likely he will opt to go forward with the Yankees and begin his professional career.
“There was dialogue with our family and the Yankees leading up to the draft,” said Ceri Gamel, Ben’s mother.
“They knew where we stood, so to take him you have to think they’re willing to make that happen.
“We’ll still talk about it and see how it plays out, but we’re very excited. Ben loves FSU, but his ultimate goal has been to play pro ball and get drafted out of high school.”
I believe the most relevant analysis of that post is the quote in bold. In addition, the choice isn't between Williams and Jordan. The Yankees want Williams and expect to sign Jordan. Jordan will be the more difficult sign yet both both can be had for around 2.5 mill (total), if Jordan doesn't expect anything but low 1st round slot..Originally Posted by Januz
I really hope you're secretly Mark Newman, because if you're not it's pretty crazy to be making up ridiculous things like "The Yankees expect to sign Jordan."Originally Posted by Hughes2.50
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i don't understand the concept of a budget for signing draftees. does marginal cost = marginal production mean something around here? if the guy is worth 5 million, all risks accounted for, why is there a budget limiting the amount you could pay the guy in the low 6 digits?
You're musings about my identity are irrelevant (not hard to find out). You think the Yankees draft players with no intention of signing them? If he has a reasonable request, they want to sign him - what's is difficult to understand about that?Originally Posted by Snatch Catch
Its also possible Yanks drafted Jordan as a contingency plan in case they can't sign a guy like Willliams.
Gumbs should be had for slot type money. I've seen reports of interest from USC but not a commitment, and I doubt he would get the type of scholarship dollars from them to require a big payout from the Yankees.
Of course the Yankees may have done that - but its just as easy to see that signing Jordan makes sense if his request is in-line with the talent/projection they believe he has. Regardless of whether the Yankees sign Williams. Some believe it is an either.or with those two, I think that is an assumption that is probably wrong if they can agree to reasonable terms.Originally Posted by Posada_20
Very possible, and that would be good. Unfortunately, I don't think that Gumbs will be close to signing the contract until the August deadline.Originally Posted by BomberBrian
Oppenheimer himself said that they went into that pick relatively blind, having limited knowledge of how Jordan had performed since being healthy, and going on what they had seen months ago and last summer. They made the pick because it was so late in the draft and they felt his talent was too high to not take a shot at holding his rights and finding out what it would take to sign him.Originally Posted by Hughes2.50
Of course they have an intention to sign him, but that is not what you said. To say they expect to sign him is way off-base at this point.
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Fine. The Yankees will sign Jordan if his requests are reasonable (slot-type money for late first round). I said that on the very post you jumped all over on.Originally Posted by Snatch Catch
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2010/06/1...t-of-maryland/According to my old friend Jim Mandelaro, Culver has backed out of his commitment to the University of Maryland and will travel to the Yankees minor league complex tonight. It’s a three-day visit, and Culver told Mandelaro that he’s not sure what’s on the schedule other than a physical
There is step 1, now contract will be done Sunday or Monday as has been expected.
Gumbs committed to USC in the early signing period.Originally Posted by BomberBrian
I would project Gumbs, Culver, Segedin for Heathcott alone (2.2). Jordan and Willams for Murphy and Mitchell (2.05). Encinas and Morton get the Cotham and Stoneburner deals approx (1.35). That would be the 5.6 mil. Add the 1 mil for already signed guys and that would leave 1 mil on 7.6 or 1.5 if we go like last year. Take out williams or Jordan and you get another million to play with possibly.Originally Posted by Januz
Morton and Encinas will probably get a bit more than 1.35 (let's say Morton about 900k and Encinas about 700k. Otherwise that is in line with my 8:19 AM post above.Originally Posted by mwalvlior
The Yanks think Gumbs is going to play with Cito in the GCL, so I don't think he's going to be an August sign.
well that would require him to sign at or very close to slot, so he wouldnt have to wait til august, right?Originally Posted by Buzah!
yes, it would.
That would be great news (Gumbs signing to play in the GCL). But so again did Heathcott and Murphy play in the GCL last year - just barely.
I hope the immininet signing of Gumbs is true, but allow me to be sceptical about that. I think we will have to wait until August to see Gumbs in the GCL.
That's fair since many of us are sceptical to much of what you post in this thread.Originally Posted by Hughes2.50
Fair enough.Originally Posted by Yankees1962
Do you two have to turn this thread into a back and forth silly banter just to see who can get the last word in? Lets stick to the topic ok?
though I am occasionally skeptical, I try never to be sceptical.
Don't like my posts, place me on ignore.Originally Posted by Posada_20
From what I've heard, the contract will be done this week and probably announced early next week after his graduation.Originally Posted by mwalvlior
that is what i meant since i dont consider it done until it's signed which will be sunday or monday.Originally Posted by Yankees1962
I like your posts, as long as they stay on topic and don't turn into some childish argument.Originally Posted by Yankees1962
I don't appreciate your attempt to single me out and that's all I have to say to you.Originally Posted by Posada_20
Then stop acting like a 2 year old and move on with the topic. And thats all I have to say to you.
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