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    Link?
    I just posted it: http://forums.nyyfans.com/showpost.p...&postcount=239

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    How sad, Nathan, I hope life is like a box of chocolates for you.

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Nathan
    Sigh. Link?
    I'm referring to your use of the term "Pavlovian." That refers to a conditioned response. In other words, you implied that you've conditioned folks in this thread to expect that your posts will be, in your word, "stupid."

    Here's a link:

    http://nobelprize.org/educational_ga.../readmore.html
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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Coffee
    Eschie seemed to think it was crazy to assume that if Papelbon hadn't blown the save, that the Red Sox would have won. However, I think that's the only conclusion you can draw. Can you tell me how the Yankees would have won 2 nights ago if Papelbon didn't blow the save?

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Fan in Boston
    I'm referring to your use of the term "Pavlovian." That refers to a conditioned response. In other words, you implied that you've conditioned folks in this thread to expect that your posts will be, in your word, "stupid."

    Here's a link:

    http://nobelprize.org/educational_ga.../readmore.html
    I know what it means, but I don't think it has anything to do with my posts being "stupid." I just don't see everything through the pinstripe-tinted glasses like most in here, and that generates some friction.

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Nathan
    Eschie seemed to think it was crazy to assume that if Papelbon hadn't blown the save, that the Red Sox would have won. However, I think that's the only conclusion you can draw. Can you tell me how the Yankees would have won 2 nights ago if Papelbon didn't blow the save?
    Bwahahahaha:


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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Nathan
    I know what it means, but I don't think it has anything to do with my posts being "stupid." I just don't see everything through the pinstripe-tinted glasses like most in here, and that generates some friction.
    I was just taking your post at face value. You certainly implied that you've conditioned us to have certain expectations about your posts.
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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Nathan
    I know what it means, but I don't think it has anything to do with my posts being "stupid." I just don't see everything through the pinstripe-tinted glasses like most in here, and that generates some friction.
    The friction is all on your end. We're pretty satisfied, you're the one who keeps coming up with these increasingly ridiculous theories to justify how awful your team is. YFIB has you pegged perfectly - you consider your own posts stupid, your words, not mine, and thus you keep expecting people to react to them that way. Poster, heal thyself!

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Nathan
    Eschie seemed to think it was crazy to assume that if Papelbon hadn't blown the save, that the Red Sox would have won. However, I think that's the only conclusion you can draw. Can you tell me how the Yankees would have won 2 nights ago if Papelbon didn't blow the save?
    Sorry to be the one to tell you, but he was mocking you and your alternate reality theory.

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Nathan
    I know what it means, but I don't think it has anything to do with my posts being "stupid." I just don't see everything through the pinstripe-tinted glasses like most in here, and that generates some friction.
    No, because you see them through your parody of a Sox fan warped brain, so instead of Yankee win you see a Papelbon loss. It's dumb. It's what we've come to expect from you.

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Coffee
    Sorry to be the one to tell you, but he was mocking you and your alternate reality theory.
    There's the disconnect - he doesn't understand the alternate reality theory.

    He hasn't grasped the absurdity behind "what if" baseball discussion.

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by President Kennedy
    The friction is all on your end. We're pretty satisfied, you're the one who keeps coming up with these increasingly ridiculous theories to justify how awful your team is.
    You know what I'm gonna ask for.

    YFIB has you pegged perfectly - you consider your own posts stupid, your words, not mine
    And again.

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Link! Link!! LINKY LINK!!!

    What are you, 10?

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Nathan
    You know what I'm gonna ask for.



    And again.
    They've been documented time and again. Sorry but your need to deny the silly things you said or insist they're not silly isn't anyone else's need. We're just here to ridicule those silly things.

    Anytime you want to discuss actual baseball, have at it.

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by yanke26
    Link! Link!! LINKY LINK!!!

    What are you, 10?
    Well, PK is 0-fer about 20 on providing links to support anything he's said about me. It should be easy. Everything I've said has been saved word for word.

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by President Kennedy
    Anytime you want to discuss actual baseball, have at it.
    Good idea. Let's move on.

    So while none of us give Beckett any credit for his intelligence, he certainly had much more foresight than the rest of us when he signed that contract this offseason, didn't he?
    "Trade a player a year too early rather than a year too late" -- Branch Rickey

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by President Kennedy
    Anytime you want to discuss actual baseball, have at it.
    I'll have at a point he raised earlier about Vmart: He's going to do better than he has been, no doubt, but I think a significant portion of his struggles can be blamed on the effects of full-time catching. It's been statistically proven that it negatively effects one's ability to hit.

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Fan in Boston
    Good idea. Let's move on.

    So while none of us give Beckett any credit for his intelligence, he certainly had much more foresight than the rest of us when he signed that contract this offseason, didn't he?
    I would love nothing more than to watch the Sox get buried with that contract. Between him and Lackey, it could make for the need of a Bridge Decade.

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Fan in Boston
    Good idea. Let's move on.

    So while none of us give Beckett any credit for his intelligence, he certainly had much more foresight than the rest of us when he signed that contract this offseason, didn't he?
    Any word in the press over there on his 'injury'?

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Nathan
    Well, PK is 0-fer about 20 on providing links to support anything he's said about me. It should be easy. Everything I've said has been saved word for word.
    And we've all read the words. Have you?

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Fan in Boston
    So what you are saying is, you posted a bunch of ridiculous, nonsensical crap
    Quote Originally Posted by Nathan
    Sigh. Link?
    http://forums.nyyfans.com/search.php?searchid=2033158

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Nathan
    Well, PK is 0-fer about 20 on providing links to support anything he's said about me. It should be easy. Everything I've said has been saved word for word.
    If someone is a dullard how do you prove to them that they're a dullard? This is like the "if tree falls in the forest" conundrum.

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Eschie
    I'll have at a point he raised earlier about Vmart: He's going to do better than he has been, no doubt, but I think a significant portion of his struggles can be blamed on the effects of full-time catching. It's been statistically proven that it negatively effects one's ability to hit.
    Interesting -- it's fun to think that the price for his subpar defense is a Varitekian offensive performance. Makes you appreciate what Posada has done all the more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Fan in Boston
    Interesting -- it's fun to think that the price for his subpar defense is a Varitekian offensive performance. Makes you appreciate what Posada has done all the more.
    The best part is they have to find both a starting catcher and a backup for next year. Yeah, I'm thinking bridge decade.

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    Merry f'ing Christmas

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Eschie
    If someone is a dullard how do you prove to them that they're a dullard? This is like the "if tree falls in the forest" conundrum.

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by NYYDragoon
    Dude, how did you miss the birth of the RUN PREVENTION™ meme? Theo said it over the winter. It pissed Dusty off; he went on some rant about how it was insulting and that the offense is still excellent (He probably threw some expletive in there just for Jeanne.)
    Sorry I missed that. I look forward to any opportunity to goof on li'l Dustpan.
    Never left the Betances bandwagon.

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    It astounds me how well Nathan has been able to bait the posters in this thread. I can't believe people are still responding to him.

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Casey at the Bat
    It astounds me how well Nathan has been able to bait the posters in this thread. I can't believe people are still responding to him.
    What else are we going to do? Nathan is the most entertaining poster on this board.

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Nathan
    I don't remember using those terms.
    I was referring to the headlines quoted, which you agreed with.
    Stella said, "Daddy when you gonna put me in a song?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by I'm A Wenner!
    What else are we going to do? Nathan is the most entertaining poster on this board.
    Mainly because he's so bad at what he's doing. He thinks he's trolling us, but we're just getting amusement out of it.
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    Where'd he go?

    It must be time for school.


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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Coffee
    Where'd he go?

    It must be time for school.

    Recess must be over.
    The next break is 'milk and cookie snack time'.......
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    To break my fast on honey dew, And drink the milk of paradise

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by NYYDragoon
    Mainly because he's so bad at what he's doing. He thinks he's trolling us, but we're just getting amusement out of it.
    Obviously you're just angry and upset.

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by I'm A Wenner!
    What else are we going to do? Nathan is the most entertaining poster on this board.
    And persistent.

    Good thing he can't keep his stories straight, otherwise his entertainment value would crater.

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Coffee
    Any word in the press over there on his 'injury'?
    I was wondering if they're doing a through medical exam including a battery of tests to diagnose the "real injury".. or the entire episode was just a bulls**t preemptive cover for another mental breakdown in the making which became clear as he turned and started yelling at the mound after Cano's hit.

    I also assume that the "injury" was so serious that they immediately placed their star pitcher on the 15 day DL..

    Not to worry, Clueless Bud and his office of Keystone Cops is on the case.
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    Well, that is more than PK has been able to do.

    I don't see how the Beckett/Lackey contracts could bury the Sox. They have a lot of money coming off the books next year, and right now their roster is a lot of redundant players/dead weight. That'll change by next year, and maybe before then if they make some trades this year. Unless both of them have long-term injuries, those contracts won't kill the team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eschie
    The best part is they have to find both a starting catcher and a backup for next year. Yeah, I'm thinking bridge decade.
    Said this before, I'll say it again, since yeah, I AM actually here to try to discuss baseball: do people really think they're going to totally get rid of V-Mart? He hasn't been great this year but he's not going to be this bad all year, and it's not like there are better options among FA catchers for next year.
    Likes the Yankees.

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Nathan
    Yep, Red Sox barely won. Guess they should be mad.
    They should probably feel roughly .500 about it.

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Nathan
    I don't see how the Beckett/Lackey contracts could bury the Sox. They have a lot of money coming off the books next year, and right now their roster is a lot of redundant players/dead weight. That'll change by next year, and maybe before then if they make some trades this year. Unless both of them have long-term injuries, those contracts won't kill the team.
    Trades are the most logical path out of the mediocrity they're currently mired in since their payroll is already around $130m for next year and the available FAs don't really suit their needs. Thankfully pulling off the type of blockbuster deals they need will require A) the player being available in the first place and B) being able to beat other team's packages. There's no reason to think other teams won't be in on the players they need to target.

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Eschie
    Trades are the most logical path out of the mediocrity they're currently mired in since their payroll is already around $130m for next year and the available FAs don't really suit their needs. Thankfully pulling off the type of blockbuster deals they need will require A) the player being available in the first place and B) being able to beat other team's packages. There's no reason to think other teams won't be in on the players they need to target.
    Aside from Buchholz and to a (much) lesser degree, Ellsbury, I don't really see what the Sox can entice another team with, unless I am missing something in the upper levels of their farm system. And if they trade Buchholz, they are going to probably end up replacing him with someone who costs more money and isn't as good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snarkerella
    Said this before, I'll say it again, since yeah, I AM actually here to try to discuss baseball: do people really think they're going to totally get rid of V-Mart? He hasn't been great this year but he's not going to be this bad all year, and it's not like there are better options among FA catchers for next year.
    I'll consider it a win if they stick with a catcher whose defense is so bad it mitigates most of his superior production, and a year older at that. Don't you think V-Mart could land a multi-year deal selling himself as a hitter instead of a catcher? I don't see the Sox going 3 or 4 years for the guy.

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by snarkerella
    Said this before, I'll say it again, since yeah, I AM actually here to try to discuss baseball: do people really think they're going to totally get rid of V-Mart? He hasn't been great this year but he's not going to be this bad all year, and it's not like there are better options among FA catchers for next year.
    Yeah, I think they keep him. I guess we should hope he improves his hitting stats so he can command a better contract. Catcher is a pretty tough position to fill, and if they improve their defense there they are likely going to add another weak link in the lineup
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    Francona was just on WEEI saying that Beckett has been having back problems all year, he's been sucking it up, being courageous, taking one for the team, blah blah blah, the umpire was informed before the game that he was having problems, shouldn't have had to play in that weather, blah blah etc.


    Meanwhile, some Newsday writer says that the Yankees are litigious...

    Protests in baseball are relatively infrequent, Yankees protest a lot

    http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseba...-lot-1.1921585

    Also, the boys on WEEI are now referring to Bigpoppy as "Hanley" Ortiz.
    "I'm sorry Smokey, you were over the line, that's a foul....mark it zero Dude, next frame"

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Fan in Boston
    Aside from Buchholz and to a (much) lesser degree, Ellsbury, I don't really see what the Sox can entice another team with, unless I am missing something in the upper levels of their farm system. And if they trade Buchholz, they are going to probably end up replacing him with someone who costs more money and isn't as good.
    Lars Anderson has been doing better and I've heard Greg Maddux is the next Casey Kelly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathan


    Give it a rest. If calling Ortiz an idiot for getting thrown out (which is what I should be doing, not you, considering that I'm a fan of the team he's on) makes you feel better, keep on keepin' on.
    I just now read this whole conversation.

    Nathan, I actually feel bad for you.

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Eschie
    I'll consider it a win if they stick with a catcher whose defense is so bad it mitigates most of his superior production, and a year older at that. Don't you think V-Mart could land a multi-year deal selling himself as a hitter instead of a catcher? I don't see the Sox going 3 or 4 years for the guy.
    It's possible they may just resign him as a DH. They'll need one of those next year.

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Eschie
    Lars Anderson has been doing better and I've heard Greg Maddux is the next Casey Kelly.
    Yeah, just looked up Andersen -- started strong in AA, and they moved him up to AAA, where is hasn't done much, but only has about 60 ABs. Kelly's doing pretty well, but is still a long way away... I can't see either of those guys being more than a piece at this point if the goal is to get someone significant.
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    Kelly's numbers this year are weird. I always had concerns about his strikeouts before, but now they're up... along with his walks, which used to be super low. Honestly, that hit rate combined with that walk rate doesn't bode well, but he's still pretty young for AA.

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