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    Quote Originally Posted by snarkerella
    Is NESN the channel with that "Sox Appeal" dating show? Is that still on?
    It was, but they seem to have a different dumb reality show every year. Last year was a stand-up comedy show, and this year I think there's a quiz show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson'sCornrows
    I enjoy the game presentation on NESN more than any other network, regional or national. It's everything that comes on before and after the game that makes it so terrible.

    Do you ever wish you could spring out of the water and shove Charlie Moore out of his boat? Maybe just hold him under the water a little bit... until the bubbles stop? Hell, maybe it's just me. Maybe.
    Remy and Orsillo are a very good team

    The only issue I have is with the celeb interviews that go on too long and distract from the game

    Exceptions being the O'leary Mel Gibson rant and the Peterman character from Seinfeld talking about his trophy wifes' " new wife smell "
    " They turned Pete into a hornytoad!!!"
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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by S2
    Did Josh Beckett yell at you for not playing the game the right way one time or something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ieddyi
    Remy and Orsillo are a very good team

    The only issue I have is with the celeb interviews that go on too long and distract from the game

    Exceptions being the O'leary Mel Gibson rant and the Peterman character from Seinfeld talking about his trophy wifes' " new wife smell "
    Those in booth interviews kill me. Every game they have somebody or another promoting something. I feel a little guilty because it's usually a charitable cause that they're talking about, but does it have to happen every other game? How about NESN just eats some commercial time and has these guys on between innings sometimes?

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by sweet_lou_14
    On YES I enjoy any of the following shows (once):
    Yankeeography
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    I almost always find something to watch on YES. I love that channel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ieddyi
    Remy and Orsillo are a very good team

    The only issue I have is with the celeb interviews that go on too long and distract from the game

    Exceptions being the O'leary Mel Gibson rant and the Peterman character from Seinfeld talking about his trophy wifes' " new wife smell "
    Heidi Watney has its advantages. I mean she's no Charlie Moore, but then again - who is?
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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by fredgmuggs
    Heidi Watney has its advantages.
    Stuff like this is actually one of the worst things about NESN and sports networks in general. I'd rather have an ugly girl on who actually knows baseball and appears to be qualified for her position.

    To be fair to the other dudes out there (including you, Fred!), the Barbie doll type of pretty just doesn't do much for me. I might be a hypocrite, too; I loved Hazel Mae and, while she's light years ahead of Whatney, I'm not sure how long she could hang in a discussion with Vin Scully or the average SABR nerd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson'sCornrows
    I'd rather have an ugly girl on who actually knows baseball and appears to be qualified for her position.
    Heidi Watney for Susyn Waldman straight-up.
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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by In Mo I Trust
    Beckett pitched so badly tonight I think the Sox are going to give him another extension.
    What I'm hoping is for Beltre to go 0 for his next 30 so that his price for an extension will drop out of the stratosphere. V-Mart too.

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by cptcarl
    What I'm hoping is for Beltre to go 0 for his next 30 so that his price for an extension will drop out of the stratosphere. V-Mart too.
    Beltre is not coming back.
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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by S2
    Beltre is not coming back.
    If he'd agree to a 2-3 year, I'd do it. But with Boras, there's not way he'll settle for that. He'll be looking for 5 years, I'm sure.

    Big win today. Keeps us alive in the WC. I have no delusions of the division, and honestly, the WC is still a long shot. Just have to hope we can go on a bit of a run and that TB keeps reeling.

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by S2
    Beltre is not coming back.
    Probably not, but stranger things have happened. Beltre returning may be easier than signing A Gon and moving Youks to 3rd. Lowrie the singles hitter certainly seems like a utility player at this point.

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Coffee
    Heidi Watney for Susyn Waldman straight-up.
    I feel for you guys, that's got to be like a sick joke. You're stuck in traffic after a long day at work and all you want to do is listen to the Yankee game and that's what they give you for radio broadcasts?

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by S2
    Beltre is not coming back.
    Who else with money will have a need for his services? If he'd accept a shorter deal, I think the Sox could (would) outbid anybody else.

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Well, based on pitching match ups, I liked the Sox on Friday and Monday, the Yankees on Saturday, and figured the Beckett/Burnett game would be the "wild card." Beckett let this team down big time, the bats doing nothing against Mosley didn't help much either.

    Only saving grace about the split is at least the Rays are in free fall.

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by blumj
    I feel for you guys, that's got to be like a sick joke. You're stuck in traffic after a long day at work and all you want to do is listen to the Yankee game and that's what they give you for radio broadcasts?
    She's great. Not everyone thinks so but there are certainly a lot of fans that do.

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Rice14
    Well, based on pitching match ups, I liked the Sox on Friday and Monday, the Yankees on Saturday, and figured the Beckett/Burnett game would be the "wild card." Beckett let this team down big time, the bats doing nothing against Mosley didn't help much either.

    Only saving grace about the split is at least the Rays are in free fall.
    Coming to this series, I think Red Sox fans shouldn't be happy about a split. But now the Rays keep falling. I think a split in Yankees Stadium actually is good enough for the Red Sox.

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by kan_t
    Coming to this series, I think Red Sox fans shouldn't be happy about a split. But now the Rays keep falling. I think a split in Yankees Stadium actually is good enough for the Red Sox.
    What are you talking about? A split for the Portland Sea Dogs in Yankee Stadium against the best team in baseball is fantastic.

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by 4bronxbombers
    She's great. Not everyone thinks so but there are certainly a lot of fans that do.
    It's just the voice I can't stand, but if she says great things maybe I'd learn to live with it. I know I couldn't take the other guy, though.

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by cptcarl
    What are you talking about? A split for the Portland Sea Dogs in Yankee Stadium against the best team in baseball is fantastic.
    What are you talking about? When does a Triple A team have a .566 winning percentage in the major league?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson'sCornrows
    Stuff like this is actually one of the worst things about NESN and sports networks in general. I'd rather have an ugly girl on who actually knows baseball and appears to be qualified for her position.
    Too bad baseball knowledge can't be absorbed through ballplayer's semen. Heidi would be Tony LaRussa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kan_t
    Coming to this series, I think Red Sox fans shouldn't be happy about a split. But now the Rays keep falling. I think a split in Yankees Stadium actually is good enough for the Red Sox.
    A really embarrassing sweep didn't seem all that unlikely to me going in, regardless of what they needed or where they stand in the WC race, so I'm not complaining.

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by kan_t
    What are you talking about? When does a Triple A team have a .566 winning percentage in the major league?
    That's my point. They've been doing it with smoke and mirrors this season, plus a pitching nucleus of Lester-Bucholz-Bard-Papelbon. It's probably not going to be enough to make the post-season, but they've done well just to be playing meaningful games this late.

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by NerfBall55
    Too bad baseball knowledge can't be absorbed through ballplayer's semen. Heidi would be Tony LaRussa.
    I think more like Jason Varitek.

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by cptcarl
    That's my point. They've been doing it with smoke and mirrors this season, plus a pitching nucleus of Lester-Bucholz-Bard-Papelbon. It's probably not going to be enough to make the post-season, but they've done well just to be playing meaningful games this late.
    Their offense is better than the Rays and the Rays pitching is starting to fall. The Rays are now in a free fall mode. I won't be surprise if the Red Sox can pull this out.

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by kan_t
    Their offense is better than the Rays and the Rays pitching is starting to fall. The Rays are now in a free fall mode. I won't be surprise if the Red Sox can pull this out.
    The timing of this upcoming Toronto series isn't good, the Jays are hitting and pitching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kan_t
    Their offense is better than the Rays and the Rays pitching is starting to fall. The Rays are now in a free fall mode. I won't be surprise if the Red Sox can pull this out.
    I'd be more surprised if the Rays continued to lose. Young pitchers do hit a wall at points, then they're fine. The Rays are a better team. I don't see them giving up five in the loss column.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kan_t
    Their offense is better than the Rays and the Rays pitching is starting to fall. The Rays are now in a free fall mode. I won't be surprise if the Red Sox can pull this out.
    Don't forget about the Twins. I don't know what the rest of their schedule looks like, but it has to be easier than either the Rays or Sox in the AL East.
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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Coffee
    Heidi Watney for Susyn Waldman straight-up.
    Hey, no fair! I said knows baseball AND is qualified for their position!

    Waldman might know some baseball, but is in no way qualified to force people to listen to her. I haven't had to hear much of her, but it hurt when I did. One could argue that Tim McCarver knows a little bit of baseball, but no one ever wants to listen to him. At least, not in a sincere, "I promise I won't laugh at you behind your back" kind of way.
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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by NerfBall55
    Too bad baseball knowledge can't be absorbed through ballplayer's semen. Heidi would be Tony LaRussa.
    At the very least, she'd know how the properly block the plate, frame pitches, and fight in a lucha mask.

    Sadly, she'd never, ever learn how to throw out a runner at 2nd. 3 out of 4 ain't bad, though.

    Coincidentally, I think Varitek has the potential to be an interest analyst after his playing career is over, assuming he isn't offered some sort of coaching or minor league managerial roles.
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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson'sCornrows
    At the very least, she'd know how the properly block the plate, frame pitches, and fight in a lucha mask.

    Sadly, she'd never, ever learn how to throw out a runner at 2nd. 3 out of 4 ain't bad, though.

    Coincidentally, I think Varitek has the potential to be an interest analyst after his playing career is over, assuming he isn't offered some sort of coaching or minor league managerial roles.

    is he going to retire after this year?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Coffee
    Don't forget about the Twins. I don't know what the rest of their schedule looks like, but it has to be easier than either the Rays or Sox in the AL East.
    I've already decided that the # 2 team in the east is going to finish with a better record than the #2 team in the central, so I'm not going to worry about the Twins or WS. And, really, what difference does it make if I'm wrong? Not like I can do anything about it anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson'sCornrows

    Coincidentally, I think Varitek has the potential to be an interest analyst after his playing career is over,
    Maybe in print. He suffers from Bill Simmons Unexpectedly Squeaky Voice Syndrome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kan_t
    Their offense is better than the Rays and the Rays pitching is starting to fall. The Rays are now in a free fall mode. I won't be surprise if the Red Sox can pull this out.
    The Red Sox offense probably isn't better than the Rays offense anymore. The Red Sox still hit better, but the Rays have been scoring more runs.

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by blumj
    I feel for you guys, that's got to be like a sick joke. You're stuck in traffic after a long day at work and all you want to do is listen to the Yankee game and that's what they give you for radio broadcasts?
    As hot as Heidi is, I bet she would suck at PBP. She is nothiing but window dressing. IMO.

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Gammons on MLBN said Kalish is gonna be the "second-coming of Darin Erstad."

    I'm guessing he didn't mean the Erstad from 2000-2009, but instead the routine .800 OPS/All-Star Darin Erstad of the years prior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roblyo33
    As hot as Heidi is, I bet she would suck at PBP. She is nothiing but window dressing. IMO.
    "Suck" would be a massive, gross understatement. She's barely able to ask questions after a game, and they're normally the same ones -- "talk to me about X." Play by play for Heidi would be incomprehensible.

    Of course, that doesn't make Suzyn any less awful. The irony of a Boston accent doing Yankee games is pretty rich. Not that I'm a huge Castiglione fan (as I think he's bland), but I'd hate having to listen to Suzyn every time I'm in my car during game time.
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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by TheoShmeo
    "Suck" would be a massive, gross understatement. She's barely able to ask questions after a game, and they're normally the same ones -- "talk to me about X." Play by play for Heidi would be incomprehensible.

    Of course, that doesn't make Suzyn any less awful. The irony of a Boston accent doing Yankee games is pretty rich. Not that I'm a huge Castiglione fan (as I think he's bland), but I'd hate having to listen to Suzyn every time I'm in my car during game time.
    That's a big deal - her accent? I barely even notice it. That she's from Boston (or MA somewhere- wherever she's from....)but works for the Yankees? Who cares.....

    Oh yeah, and for anyone interested, there is a Suzyn Waldman thread in OOP - if anyone cares to keep this going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teknetic
    Gammons on MLBN said Kalish is gonna be the "second-coming of Darin Erstad."

    I'm guessing he didn't mean the Erstad from 2000-2009, but instead the routine .800 OPS/All-Star Darin Erstad of the years prior.
    Erstad was a great defensive CFer when he was young, I don't get him as a comp for Kalish at all, who just seems like a nice young OFer who can do a little of everything without being that great at any one particular thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4bronxbombers
    That's a big deal - her accent? I barely even notice it. That she's from Boston (or MA somewhere- wherever she's from....)but works for the Yankees? Who cares.....

    Oh yeah, and for anyone interested, there is a Suzyn Waldman thread in OOP - if anyone cares to keep this going.
    A big deal? No, not all. Ironic, yes.

    She's from Newton, I believe, and her voice sounds extremely familiar to these Massachusetts ears.
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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by blumj
    Erstad was a great defensive CFer when he was young, I don't get him as a comp for Kalish at all, who just seems like a nice young OFer who can do a little of everything without being that great at any one particular thing.
    Kalish's sample size is much too small to know much about him, in my view.

    Thus far, we've seen a 22-year old put up a batting average of .345, an OBP of .375 and a slugging percentage of .483. Again, the sample size is insufficient but if any conclusion is to be drawn, I don't see how it could be anything other than he's shown at least the possibility of being a great hitter. And the little I've seen of his arm suggests that it's accurate and strong.

    Said differently, I think the assessment that he's not great at anything is just as premature as Gammons' Erstad comparison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheoShmeo
    Again, the sample size is insufficient but if any conclusion is to be drawn, I don't see how it could be anything other than he's shown at least the possibility of being a great hitter.
    Kind of like when Ellsbury slugged .509 in 4x the PA Kalish has.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NerfBall55
    Kind of like when Ellsbury slugged .509 in 4x the PA Kalish has.
    "He showed us the possibility of being a great hitter"

    Muhuhahahaha

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by THEBOSS84
    "He showed us the possibility of being a great hitter"

    Muhuhahahaha
    Way to twist or miss the point.

    The point remains that it's premature to draw any conclusions but if one wanted to nevertheless draw them, the numbers suggest that they be quite positive.
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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by TheoShmeo
    Way to twist or miss the point.

    The point remains that it's premature to draw any conclusions but if one wanted to nevertheless draw them, the numbers suggest that they be quite positive.
    One shall not draw any conclusions from SSS. You end up electing Shane Spencer into the HOF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THEBOSS84
    One shall not draw any conclusions from SSS. You end up electing Shane Spencer into the HOF.
    Remember when Glenallen Hill showed up and hit something like 11 HRs in 55 ABs for the Yankees? Good times. And the dude was apparently a chain-smoker too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheoShmeo
    Kalish's sample size is much too small to know much about him, in my view.

    Thus far, we've seen a 22-year old put up a batting average of .345, an OBP of .375 and a slugging percentage of .483. Again, the sample size is insufficient but if any conclusion is to be drawn, I don't see how it could be anything other than he's shown at least the possibility of being a great hitter. And the little I've seen of his arm suggests that it's accurate and strong.

    Said differently, I think the assessment that he's not great at anything is just as premature as Gammons' Erstad comparison.
    He's been in pro ball since 2006, his major league sample isn't just insufficient, it's worthless. If you don't want to pay any attention to anything that happens between an amateur player's acquisition by the Red Sox and his major league debut, you're welcome not to, but it exists whether you're paying attention or not.

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by teknetic
    Gammons on MLBN said Kalish is gonna be the "second-coming of Darin Erstad."

    I'm guessing he didn't mean the Erstad from 2000-2009, but instead the routine .800 OPS/All-Star Darin Erstad of the years prior.
    This post got me thinking about "What's the threshold OPS for a hitter to be considered "good"?" I think it depends on the position on the field. At the top of the list, a DH for a big market team must put up an OPS of .900 to be considered 'good'

    For others, I would estimate the threshold for a 'good OPS' as follows:

    LF: .850
    CF .800
    RF .825
    1B .875
    2B .775
    SS .750 (Jeter's career OPS is around .840)
    3B .850
    C .725

    This is arbitrary, of course, but the idea is that defense up the middle plays a larger role in determining a player's 'worth' than defense on the corners.

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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by cptcarl
    This post got me thinking about "What's the threshold OPS for a hitter to be considered "good"?" I think it depends on the position on the field. At the top of the list, a DH for a big market team must put up an OPS of .900 to be considered 'good'

    For others, I would estimate the threshold for a 'good OPS' as follows:

    LF: .850
    CF .800
    RF .825
    1B .875
    2B .775
    SS .750 (Jeter's career OPS is around .840)
    3B .850
    C .725

    This is arbitrary, of course, but the idea is that defense up the middle plays a larger role in determining a player's 'worth' than defense on the corners.
    Agreed that positional adjustment plays a huge role, but a .900 OPS for a DH is a lot. Matsui had an .876 OPS for the Yankees last year and I don't think anyone complained about that, really.

    I think the SS career OPS should be a little lower, but that might be my feeling about this year only, where almost every shortstop is awful. And I'm not sure why LF and RF have different OPSes here.
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    Re: Red Sox Thread Version 5.0

    Quote Originally Posted by cptcarl
    This post got me thinking about "What's the threshold OPS for a hitter to be considered "good"?" I think it depends on the position on the field. At the top of the list, a DH for a big market team must put up an OPS of .900 to be considered 'good'

    For others, I would estimate the threshold for a 'good OPS' as follows:

    LF: .850
    CF .800
    RF .825
    1B .875
    2B .775
    SS .750 (Jeter's career OPS is around .840)
    3B .850
    C .725

    This is arbitrary, of course, but the idea is that defense up the middle plays a larger role in determining a player's 'worth' than defense on the corners.
    That's actually pretty good; damn close to the equally arbitrary numbers I use in my head. Generally, though, I prefer to look at things in terms of OPS+, and I put a little bit less stress on 3B than you do. For a DH to be sign worthy, he needs to routinely put up 130-140 yearly on the top end, while I don't expect much more than 80-85 from the typical catcher. 2B and SS should be around 85-95, CF around 95-105, 3B and RF at 105-115, LF at 115-125, and 1B at 120-130.

    Of course, what constitutes an acceptable average OPS+ is heavily biased by the defense (or perceived defense) of the position player involved; I wouldn't accept an 85 OPS+ from an average SS, but from a A-Gonz type, I'll take it. On the flipside, I wouldn't take a 95 from a guy like Jeter (and I'll acknowledge his surprising improvements the past two years), but with the type of offense he provides, his (typical, but not always) below average D is well worth it in the long run.
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