Great offense, good bullen, spottiest starting pitching of any contender in baseball.
Padilla has looked much better in his past two starts, but they desperately need Kershaw, Billingsley, and Kuroda to be consistently legit.
Great offense, good bullen, spottiest starting pitching of any contender in baseball.
Padilla has looked much better in his past two starts, but they desperately need Kershaw, Billingsley, and Kuroda to be consistently legit.
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Their bullpen has actually been awful so far. I think they don't have Kuo and Belisario yet, or they just got them back, or something. They were using guys like Russ and Ramon Ortiz and Jeff Weaver (who, it turns out, was hurt). Sherrill's sucked this year too. On the other hand, their offense has been completely ridiculous.
Also, Padilla went on the DL I think. Kershaw is definitely legit, he just needs to go deeper into games. Billingsley... who knows.
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Jon Heyman of CNNSI had a good article on the Dodgers yesterday. In the offseason you knew there was a risk of everything becoming unwraveled given the situation with the McCourts. That seems to be leaking onto the field.
Their SP was inconsistent last year and they just allowed it get worse by not signing a big FA (Lackey) or even a calculated risk (Wang), or a reliable innings-eater (Wolf).
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...html?eref=sihpBut the probable source of the Dodgers' woes remains unspoken in this entire episode. Kemp's inconsistent attention span and the the team's surprisingly poor start are directly attributable to their disappearing payroll, which has gone from $122 million two years ago to $100 million last year to $83 million (plus a few deferred dollars for Manny Ramirez, Orlando Hudson and Randy Wolf) this year.
The Dodgers' payroll is not reflective of a major-market team -- not one that expects to contend, anyway -- and is now actually lower than that of the small-market Brewers (which is owned by Los Angeles investment man Mark Attanasio) and considerably lower than that of the Minnesota Twins, a team that had been famous for low spending. What's made the stinginess seem worse, the Dodgers' deep cuts come at a time when the lavish personal spending of their owners, the McCourts, is becoming public through their divorce documents in what's become an embarrassing sideshow.
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I wonder about Manny's calf. He played a few innings of a couple of games, being removed early twice because of it, before being put on the DL. He was hitting pretty well for average before it happened, but had no power going yet.
Their payroll this year is laughable for a team in Los Angeles. Especially a team that that has been drawing big time the past few years, making the NLCS in each of the past 2 seasons. Jeez.
They haven't had this kind of popularity and success in years. Probably since the late 1980's.
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Very thorough article on the woes of the Dodgers;
http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/...nder-what-next
It is by ESPN Los Angeles and ESPN New York is so bad that I'd give it a pause before reading it, but it seems pretty balanced/good to me overall.
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That's a great read. "What's next" ended up being a hot streak. The Dodgers have now won 6 consecutive games, and 11 of 14 to pull to 19-17, within 3 games of 1st place.
Although Ethier (.392/.457/.744) - off to arguably the best start in baseball - recently fractured the pinky finger on his right hand. TBD how long he'll be out.
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Should be a fun series when the Yanks go there in June.
http://www.artistdirect.com/entertai...odgers/6930532Don't welch on your VIP tickets for baseball games or you just might get sued! Former Saturday Night Live star Jon Lovitz –my favorite Lovitz work is The Critic cartoon- was sued by the Los Angeles Dodgers on Monday for allegedly failing to pay the decidedly wallet unfriendly ticket price for three premium seats at the famed Dodger Stadium.
According to the lawsuit, which was reported by a local TV station, Lovitz owes the organization nearly $100,000 for the seats, which are located in the VIP "Dugout Club" near home plate. He is accused of breaking a 2008 contract to reserve the seats for all games during the 2008-2010 seasons. Yikes!
Yyyyeeeeah, that's the tickets!
Somebody has to pay for the divorce.
The Dodgers would seem to be a logical destination for Roy Oswalt. The Dodgers could use a big arm in the starting rotation and appear to have the pieces to make such a move happen.
Of course, given the divorce proceedings hanging over ownership, it doesn't seem likely that this organization will roll the dice with such a big-time move. Too bad as it seems this team is close to putting together something special.
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What are the pitching match-ups for the Yankee series?
Broxton before his 48-pitch outing against the Yankees:
32 2/3 IP
.217/.254/.258/.512
48/5 K/BB ratio
0.83 ERA
since:
10 2/3 IP
.349/.451/.558/1.009
10/8 K/BB ratio
10.13 ERA
check out the reduced velocity:
Ahahahahahaha joe torre ahahahahaha
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I'm a Yankee fan obviously but Dodger Thoughts rules.
http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/...ts-turn-to-vin
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The Dodgers' offense is an absolute disaster. While adding Lilly and Dotel will certainly help the staff (Kershaw, Billingsley, Kuroda, Padilla, Lilly looks decent then Dotel-Kuo-Broxton), I'm surprised they did nothing to bolster that lineup. I believe the stat I read was they were 5-10 in their first 15 games after the All-Star Break despite their staff boasting an ERA of 1.80sih during that span. Insane. They've scored 2 runs or less in 10 of their past 13 games. Damn.
Blake looks done, Martin has been a disaster for well over a year now, and Manny has had a few stints on the DL. In fact, it sounds like there's a legit chance Ramirez has played his last game with the Dodgers.
What does that leave you with? Furcal and Loney have been consistently good yes, but Kemp & Ethier have gone AWOL.
Both Kemp & Ethier are in in prolonged slumps. These are mind-boggling numbers:
Since June 1st:
1. Kemp = .249/.302/.421 (209 AB)
2. Ethier = .237/.296/.362 (207 AB)
Ouch.
I'm not sold on Broxton yet. He has a lot of Armando Benitez in him. And let's not forget how he killed the Dodgers' chances in each of the past 2 NLCS in crucial games where they could've tied the series at 2 games a piece ('08 vs. Matt Stairs, '09 vs. Jimmy Rollins). He's developed an alarming habit of tightening up in big spots.
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Even the SF Giants are better than the Dodgers this season.
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Vicente Padilla throws a mean eephus pitch.
Evidently the Dodgers may've claimed Adam Dunn on Friday... http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/...entry_id=69570
They desperately need him. Their pitching is good enough to get the playoffs even being 7 out today.
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How about Kenley Jansen. In the WBC he was still catcher on the Dutch team, but the Dodgers have converted him to relief pitcher and since then he has skyrocketed himself into the majors at July 24. Since then, 6 appearances:
6 IP, 3 hits, 2BB, 9 K's and a 0 ERA with 1 save.
And he's still learning. Interested to see what he can do.
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nice meltdown from Broxton tonight. Phillies win, once trailing 9-2
nnysiny is onto something. Jonathan Broxton hasn't been the same since his meltdown against the Dodgers.
Should've fixed your bullpen instead of getting Ted Lilly.
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I think those collapsing losses to the Yankees, not beating the Giants and tonight's choker against the Phillies could've put the dagger in the Dodgers's playoff hopes.
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You didn't mention they were leading 9-2 GOING INTO THE EIGHTH.
What a meltdown.
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Looks like Joe Torre never learned this lesson: The Phillies have Jonathan Broxton's number.
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Torre pretty much killed Broxton.
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Ronald Belisario started the screwup giving up 4 runs in the 8th and Torre needed two more men to get three outs in the 8th.
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In Jonathan Broxton's last five attempts to save a game for Clayton Kershaw he is 0-2 with 11 ER in 3.1 innings.
That's gotta be some wacky random sample size thing but... what.
ETA: Broxton since the ASB, 8 IP, 21 baserunners.
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http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...t=.jsp&c_id=laIn Jonathan Broxton's last five attempts to save a game for Clayton Kershaw he is 0-2 with 11 ER in 3.1 innings.
That's gotta be some wacky random sample size thing but... what.
ETA: Broxton since the ASB, 8 IP, 21 baserunners.
well apparently he isn't the closer anymore.
Well, Joe Torre and the Dodgers made it too little, way too late to demote Jonathan Broxton.
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so sad to see broxton slowly going the way of steve karsay, tom gordon, paul quantrill, scott proctor, and george sherrill
the guy single-handedly has ruined the careers of so many relievers it's absurd
On one hand it's crazy to think these profesional relief pitchers are so fragile. Broxton throws 67 pitches over 2 days against the Yankees and he's toast? C'mon. In that case it's a miracle he didn't blow out Rivera.
On the other hand, the guy does work his relief pitchers hard. I just think there's more to it than the manager. It's not that simple.
I read the same names here everytime a relief pitcher for Torre struggles. I never understood the Gordon claim. He ws great in both regular seasons with NYY (2004, 2005), and then pitched well in 2006 for the Phillies. Just cause he spit the bit in the playoffs? Quantill was pitching on a bad knee that got worse as 2004 went on. 95 IP on that certainly didn't help.
Proctor was flat out abused: Over 100 IP and 82 appearances. That's the toxic combo of a lot of innings plus a lot of usage. Rivera threw 100+ IP in relief for Torre in 1996, but only had 60 apperances = much more spaced out.
I think the bottom line is all these pitchers are different. When the Yankees were winning titles, you never heard about him blowing out Nelson, Stanton, Mendoza, etc. I'm not blinding defending Torre, I'm just saying it's not an exact science of blame. Torre's style is exacerbated when his teams are weak in other areas - such as the weak rotations of the Quantrill/Proctor days.
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By the time we got to October, Gordon's arm was toast. I remember a game I was at against Seattle. Gordon had pitched the 3 previous games. The Yankees were wining this particular game by 10 runs in the 9th inning, The first batter reached base and Torre had Gordon warming up in the bullpen. Gordon never got into that game but he was throwing in the bullpen for the duration of the 9th inning. No matter how you spin it, that was abuse.
Bamtino, I'm not a Torre basher. I appreciate his time in New York. But I want to make this point, when we were winning championships in the late 90's we had starters that went deep into games and we had 4 reliable arms in the bullpen (Mendoza, Nelson, Stanton, Rivera). After he 2003 season the starting pitching was not as good. This was the point that Torre started to ride his hottest relievers until their arm's fell off (i.e Karsay, Gordon, Quantrill, Sturtze, Proctor, etc. etc.). IMO, Giradi is much better at managing a pitching staff than Torre.
Broxton looses closer roll
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Agreed.
Girardi is greatly helped out by the best rotation we've had since the Dynasty years. Last year Girardi had 3 starters made at least 30 starts and throw 194+ IP (Sabathia, Burnett, Pettitte). He'll have at least 3 again this year, maybe 4 (Sabathia, Burnett, Vasquez, Hughes). We haven't had that kind of production and stability since 2002-03. That's a poor reflection on an organization like the Yankees.
After the 2003 staff was dismantled, Torre only had that type of consistency 1 time over his final 4 years - Wang, Mussina, Johnson in 2006 - and I think we can all agree the current trio is much better than that trio. Plus the slow starts in a few of those years probably contributed to it.
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Torre. Sigh.
While this is all true, I think it's fair to point out that for the better part of 2008, the starting rotation was basically in shambles and our staff ace averaged fewer than 6 innings per start. That said, I thought Girardi did a very good job with the pen that year in terms of spreading the workload around. On the flip side, we had a very strong rotation in 2002, but that didn't stop Torre from basically ending Steve Karsay's career.
At the end of the day, how you use your bullpen will naturally become more important when your starters don't give you length. There's nothing really wrong with how Torre handles his bullpen, it makes sense to use your best relievers. But it becomes problematic when your starters can't consistently make it through 6 innings. And while Girardi's method of using different guys makes sense, he can be prone to overmanaging when he has too many toys to play with. I think Girardi's getting better in that regard though, and even if it remains a problem I prefer his style of managing the bullpen to Torre's.
Karsay's career would've ended soon no matter what with his injury history. Nobody is arguing that Torre's bullpen management is very questionable, but to lay the total blame on him for ending the careers of Quantrill, Gordon and Karsay is a little much considering their past injury and usage history prior to Torre.
Karsay had TJ in 1996, but I don't believe he had shoulder issues until after he came here. He was healthy for five seasons before coming to NY. I don't think Gordon was really that affected in terms of his career ending prematurely, he was getting older anyway, but he certainly wore down later in the season.
Quantrill's on Torre.
Broxton hasn't been the same since the Yankees lit him up.
'It's about championships' Cliff Lee will be taking his talents to the South Bronx.
Where is Manny Ramirez? I guess he's just given up again?
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He had a .83 ERA before that game. Since then:
15G/14.2IP/18H/15ER/13BB/12SO/9.20ERA/.920OPSA
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