The 2010-2011 New York Knicks Thread

[Joba-Walkee]

Russian owner man (too lazy to remember his name) says he plans to convert Knicks fans.

http://www.nydailynews.com/nydn/poll...ikhail+Prokhor

Nets fans probably screwed with the results, but that's still pretty surprising.

[TheManKnownAsMecca]

When the Nets new owner talks about converting fans he's not talking about people over the age of maybe 15. He is talking about kids who cheer for the Knicks since their dad does. You bring one superstar, for example LeBron James (not saying James will be the superstar the Nets sign), and that'll convert those younger kids. While I was always a Buffalo Bills fan first and foremost, Brett Favre made me love the Packers and Steve Young and Jerry Rice made me love the 49ers. If either team had been closer to the Buffalo region, there is a chance I could have been converted to a Packers or Niners fan.

[chanman7483]

From nbaoffseason.com - NBA team salary information for this off season. I don't believe it includes player options though.

[Snatch Catch]

Russian owner man (too lazy to remember his name) says he plans to convert Knicks fans.

I maintain my position that he's fantastic for the LULZ, both with him and at him.

When questioned about the bold statement, this is how he responded:

http://thebrooklynink.com/2010/05/20...ail-prokhorov/

Back to basketball. You say you want to turn Knicks fans into Nets fans. Seriously?

Who knows?

You think you can pull that off, honestly? That’s a big thing to say.

Who knows?

Awesome.

The interview itself is a great read that I'd recommend if you haven't already seen it.

[cyhughes22]

I maintain my position that he's fantastic for the LULZ, both with him and at him.

When questioned about the bold statement, this is how he responded:

http://thebrooklynink.com/2010/05/20...ail-prokhorov/



Awesome.

The interview itself is a great read that I'd recommend if you haven't already seen it.

I'm actually almost jealous of the Nets(and this is the only time you'll ever hear me say that) because that guy is like the coolest guy ever.

[Joba-Walkee]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR6YL...layer_embedded

LMAO.

[Snatch Catch]

Holy sh*t, I forgot how insanely awesome Nate was in the Denver fight.

Not only did he perform a takedown of Smith, he squared Carmelo up for real and got him to run like a b*tch after he threw a punch only Lala could have been proud of.

[chanman7483]

Qyntel Woods attempted 360 tomahawk...

[chanman7483]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/bal...urn=nba,243600

Eddy Curry makes a lot, spends a lot and owes a lot of money


• $30,000 a month for "household expenses."
• $17,000 a month to various relatives including his parents, sister and father-in-law.
• More than $1,000 a month for cable and satellite television.
• $207,000 a month in garnished wages that haven't been elaborated upon, but adds up to almost $2.5 million that Eddy Curry never sees over the course of a year.
• $350,000 to Juwan Howard(notes). (What?)

He also has a half million dollar loan with an 85% interest rate that he defaulted on. How do you agree to an 85% interest rate? Looks like he is a) the next Antoine Walker b) 50000000% picking up his player option

[chanman7483]

Anyone have Insider? Chad Ford has a "must read" according to Chris Sheridan about how NY will draw Lebron to NY: http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insid...dKnicks-100525.

I don't have insider and was just wondering if there's anything there we don't already know / haven't thought of.

[Snatch Catch]

Anyone have Insider? Chad Ford has a "must read" according to Chris Sheridan about how NY will draw Lebron to NY: http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insid...dKnicks-100525.

I don't have insider and was just wondering if there's anything there we don't already know / haven't thought of.

No, it's nothing new - it focuses on everything we've been talking about already. Here are some of the things you'd probably find interesting:

The Knicks are projected to have about $34 million in salary-cap space, which should allow them to sign two free agents at max dollars -- with the second star being Bosh, ideally, according to the source.

And if LeBron says no, the Knicks will make exactly the same case to Dwyane Wade, according to the source.

Therefore, Plan A would be to pair James and Bosh, Plan B would be Wade and Bosh, and Plan C would be James and Wade.

Why is Bosh part of Plan A and Plan B? Wouldn't the Knicks rather have megastars LeBron and D-Wade?

While the Knicks greatly admire Wade and are very interested in him, the source said the Knicks believe that Bosh would be the ideal partner for James (or Wade), allowing New York to pair an elite playmaker with an elite big man with shooting range.

Said the source, "I'm sure LeBron and Wade would figure out a way to play together, but it's not an ideal fit. Bosh would be a perfect complement to both of those guys because of his ability to stretch the floor."

The source said that Knicks coach Mike D'Antoni believes that the ideal way to maximize the effectiveness of LeBron or Wade is to put him in a role similar to that of Magic Johnson with the Showtime Lakers.

"Both of these guys [James and Wade] are at their best when they have the ball in their hands," the source said. "While neither guy has played point guard for most of their career, that's the right position to put them in."

The idea is to let LeBron or Wade handle the ball and surround them with long, athletic players who can spread the floor, opening up the lane for penetration and kickouts. In a column last week, John Hollinger used a statistical breakdown to describe a similar strategy, and the Knicks concur.

"Both guys are incredible, willing passers," the source said. "What you want to do is open up the floor for them and let them penetrate. If the defense collapses you need a number of players around them that can make them pay."

One of the key selling points for the Knicks, said the source, will be head coach Mike D'Antoni, who has built a relationship with James, Wade and Bosh the past few years as an assistant coach on the Olympic gold-medal-winning Team USA.

The source told me that the Knicks plan to use D'Antoni as their chief recruiter during the period. The source believes that when D'Antoni discusses X's and O's with free agents, they'll be persuaded he can maximize their talents.

"If you look at the Cavs and LeBron," the source said, "they had the wrong philosophy from front office to head coach. They tried to put some shooters around him and tried to make the pieces fit, but the focus was almost entirely on defense, and Mike Brown ultimately preferred those players. It put enormous pressure on LeBron to be the Cavs' total source of offense every night. Most nights, they were really successful, but I think it's taken a toll on LeBron."

Likewise, the Knicks also plan to show players a revamped, more professional organization, said the source. In his two years, Walsh has streamlined and upgraded the front office, invested in state-of-the-art equipment and hired a world-renowned training staff.

"One big sell to players is the training staff," the source said. "One of the reasons Nash and Hill re-signed in Phoenix was because their staff did a great job of keeping them healthy. The longer you extend these players' careers, the more money they make."

"Whoever can come in and win a championship in New York will own the city," the source said. "No one can replace Michael Jordan in Chicago, no matter how many titles you win. The Heat are coming off a recent championship and the city is far from the most rabid when it comes to basketball. I think there are more Knicks fans in Miami than Heat fans.

"If someone can come in here and do what no one has been able to do for decades, their legacy is complete. That matters to players and [the Knicks] are going to make sure they know it."

[THEBOSS84]

Great read, thanks.

[chanman7483]

Thanks brotha.

[Snatch Catch]

Ozzie Guillen signs a ball for a Cleveland fan:

[THEBOSS84]

I'm surprised how good his grammar is there - if anyone has ever read Ozzie Guillen's twitter, you'd know what I mean.

[Snatch Catch]

I'm surprised how good his grammar is there - if anyone has ever read Ozzie Guillen's twitter, you'd know what I mean.

Wasn't that his son and not him? Or did he take it over?

[THEBOSS84]

Wasn't that his son and not him? Or did he take it over?

I'm not so sure, my friend used to send me his tweets all the time. He'd be on the road and write how much he loved soochi restooranuts.

[Snatch Catch]

I love how he wrote "LOL" on the ball.

[chanman7483]

Writing bye bye Lebron was good enough, but then he followed it up with a full sentence afterwards. Awesome

Nice tidbit on Gallinari's shooting from ESPN:

Knicks fans might glance at Gallinari’s .423 field goal percentage and counter with skepticism, but reducing Gallinari down to that one number completely ignores why he’s one of the most valuable commodities in the game. Guess how many players in the history of the NBA have maintained a .381 3-point percentage on at least 400 3-pointers over a course of a season? 83. And guess how many were 21 years old? Just Gallinari. He’s as efficient as they come.

[Joba-Walkee]

Looking at raw FG% for a 3 point shooter is mind numbingly stupid.

[dabomb2045]

If you dont think the guy is one the most deadly perimeter shooters...then I dont know what else to say

[Philip Hughes Fan]

Uhhh, pretty sure he's agreeing with you guys about Gallinari.

[mylo]

Question....What if Lebron decides to stay in Cleveland and Wade either stays in Miami or signs with the Bulls?
Do we consider Joe Johnson and Bosh ....or try to sign only one and save a max contrat for next year, for Carmello or Chris P.

Where does David Lee fit in?

[Yankee Fan in Boston]

Question....What if Lebron decides to stay in Cleveland and Wade either stays in Miami or signs with the Bulls?
Do we consider Joe Johnson and Bosh ....or try to sign only one and save a max contrat for next year, for Carmello or Chris P.

Where does David Lee fit in?

I have to imagine (or hope, at least) there is a flow chart dedicated to this all on Walsh's office walls. You start with the big 3, and they build in a whole bunch of scenarios.

[THEBOSS84]

I wouldn't even consider Joe Johnson.

[mentalgidget]

I wouldn't even consider Joe Johnson.

He showed a lot this playoff season and by "showed a lot" i mean he showed absolutely nothing. Dude cost himself some serious cash in 4 games

[Snatch Catch]

I wouldn't even consider Joe Johnson.

I'd consider him in a heartbeat as the 2nd banana.

Especially since he's effectively "on sale" now due to his playoff performance.

[Snatch Catch]

Also, Johnson is meeting with Lebron and Wade (according to Wade) informally to discuss FA and where they're going.

Johnson has a fantastic relationship with D'Antoni, and that could play a strong role in the conversations the three of them have.

[dabomb2045]

I'd consider him in a heartbeat as the 2nd banana.

Especially since he's effectively "on sale" now due to his playoff performance.

He wont be "on sale". He's getting a max deal from someone. He's good but I just dont see him worthy of being a max contract player.

A Johnson/Bosh duo just doesnt do it for me. It makes the Knicks a playoff team and not much more then that. They still wouldnt be on the level of Orlando, Boston or Chicago/Cleveland/wherever else James signs.

[Snatch Catch]

He wont be "on sale". He's getting a max deal from someone. He's good but I just dont see him worthy of being a max contract player.

I'll bet you a $100 that Johnson doesn't get a max deal.

I'd bet more, but I'm being completely serious with the bet, so I want something payable.

[THEBOSS84]

He wont be "on sale". He's getting a max deal from someone. He's good but I just dont see him worthy of being a max contract player.

A Johnson/Bosh duo just doesnt do it for me. It makes the Knicks a playoff team and not much more then that. They still wouldnt be on the level of Orlando, Boston or Chicago/Cleveland/wherever else James signs.

This is what I was going to say.

Here is a link to the meeting Snatch is referring to -

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5224873

[Snatch Catch]

This is what I was going to say.

Here is a link to the meeting Snatch is referring to -

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5224873

$100. Step up.

[THEBOSS84]

$100. Step up.

I knew this was coming. You're not challenging dabomb, only me?

[dabomb2045]

I'm poor....I cant bet . But I just think there are teams out there that will give him what he wants. Remember, this is the same league where Rashard Lewis got a max deal from Orlando. I dont think there is a soul out there that would argue that Lewis is a max contract player.

There are ALOT of dumb teams and dumb GM's out there. I could see the Clippers totally doing it.

[Snatch Catch]

I knew this was coming. You're not challenging dabomb, only me?

I challenged both of you.

And Chris Broussard is insufferable. What a piece of sh*t that guy is.

[machphantom]

I challenged both of you.

And Chris Broussard is insufferable. What a piece of sh*t that guy is.

Agreed, he's loud and has already decided for LeBron where he's going.

[dabomb2045]

Isnt Broussard the one that bashes NYC all the time? Yet he used to work for the Times as a Knicks beat writer. Go figure.

[Snatch Catch]

I knew this was coming. You're not challenging dabomb, only me?

Waiting...

[THEBOSS84]

Waiting...

Exactly how many teams will be under the cap?

[Snatch Catch]

Exactly how many teams will be under the cap?

I believe those with big room are

Knicks
Nets
Heat
Bulls
Clippers
Kings
TWolves
Wizards

But I'm not totally sure.

[Yankee Fan in Boston]

I believe those with big room are

Knicks
Nets
Heat
Bulls
Clippers
Kings
TWolves
Wizards

But I'm not totally sure.

Will the Cavs have room if LeBron doesn't come back? Or are they just able to sign him because of the Bird rules?

[Snatch Catch]

Will the Cavs have room if LeBron doesn't come back? Or are they just able to sign him because of the Bird rules?

Cavs will only have about $6 million if Lebron leaves.

Waiting, Seymour...

[THEBOSS84]

Cavs will only have about $6 million if Lebron leaves.

Waiting, Seymour...

No bets will be considered until I have an official list of teams, provided by you.

[Joba-Walkee]

No bets will be considered until I have an official list of teams, provided by you.

http://www.storytellerscontracts.inf...10salaries.htm

[Snatch Catch]

No bets will be considered until I have an official list of teams, provided by you.

http://www.nba.com/2010/news/feature...ath/index.html

Cap space following 2010 Trade Deadline

TEAM SALARY AMOUNT UNDER New York $21,571,737 $32,028,263 New Jersey $27,170,659 $26,429,341 Miami $32,254,326 $21,345,674 Washington $34,454,130 $18,943,379 Chicago $35,662,116 $17,937,884 Sacramento $36,454,130 $17,145,870 L.A. Clippers $38,235,273 $15,364,727 Minnesota $41,004,156 $12,595,844 Oklahoma City $42,104,151 $11,495,849

Projected salary cap for next season is ~$53.6 million.

That's with a $53.6 million cap. It recently got changed to a $56.1 million projection, so add $2.5 Million to each of those cap space numbers above.

[dabomb2045]

I could easily see a team like the Clips, Wizards, Nets, Kings offering Johnson a max deal. Whether Johnson would go to one of these teams or not is debatable. Remember though this is a guy who forced his way out of Phoenix (a conference finalist, a team that had Nash and Amare) to get to Atlanta (a team that was flat out awful at that time). Winning might not be his #1 goal.

[Snatch Catch]

Waiting...

[Snatch Catch]

I could easily see a team like the Clips, Wizards, Nets, Kings offering Johnson a max deal. Whether Johnson would go to one of these teams or not is debatable. Remember though this is a guy who forced his way out of Phoenix (a conference finalist, a team that had Nash and Amare) to get to Atlanta (a team that was flat out awful at that time). Winning might not be his #1 goal.

I wish you were Seymour because you actually stand behind your opinions.

I applaud you showing both a spine and some balls.

[dabomb2045]

I wish you were Seymour because you actually stand behind your opinions.

I applaud you showing both a spine and some balls.

You dont see a scenario that say....the Wizards go after Johnson and offer him the max? "Hey we're gonna draft Wall to run the point...lets go sign Johnson and team those two up. It will sell tickets and make us a playoff team!" Maybe someone like the Kings too who are looking to get a new arena....bringing in Johnson might help them win a few more games and get some fan attention again. The Clippers? I dont even feel the need to explain that.

It might not be something that you and I would do if we were a GM....but I think you are underestimating the overall stupidity of many current NBA GM's. We've all seen many moves over the years that just made you say "wtf was this idiot thinking?".

[Snatch Catch]

Because I've been told Seymour is fretting the economy's effect on his wallet, I'm willing to make the following bet:

I wager $100 to his $50 that Joe Johnson will not sign a max contract this summer.

If he signs a max deal, Seymour gets $100.

If he doesn't, I get only $50.


Step up, son.