So I've got no spine or balls, but I DO have $50!
What would a max deal be for JJ (a non-ATL max signing)?
So I've got no spine or balls, but I DO have $50!
What would a max deal be for JJ (a non-ATL max signing)?
As long as a credible news source reports him as having signed "a max contract" or some version of that wording, I lose.
Waiting...
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Jaret Wright's 2005 Cy Young Season: 20-3, 3.04 ERA
I wouldn't recommend that. I remember ESPN called K-Mart's deal a max, when it wasn't.Originally Posted by Snatch Catch
We have a deal.
We need clarification on "max deal" considering what Joba-Walkee just said.
Please set aside my $50 now.
That was fun.
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Jaret Wright's 2005 Cy Young Season: 20-3, 3.04 ERA
How are you gonna find me?
Joba-Walkee can clear up exactly what the Max deals are, both for ATL and for Non-ATL.
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Jaret Wright's 2005 Cy Young Season: 20-3, 3.04 ERA
The Max FA contract is based on cap hold and player's years in the league.
6 years or below: 25% of the cap hold (Rudy Gay, D.Lee)
7-9 years: 30% of the cap hold (LBJ, Wade, Bosh, Boozer, Joe Johnson, Stoudemire)
10 years: 35% of the cap hold (Nowitzki, Kobe)
The Max FA contract length can be up to 6 years.
Players' original teams can offer more than Max FA contract to their players because of Larry Bird Exception. Teams can offer a 12.5% increase of salary and the max contract length is 7 years.
In Joe Johnson case, if the Hawks use Larry Bird Exception on him, he actually will get less money per year than a Max FA contract but he will get one more year. (Assuming the cap hold is $56.1M)
That's my understanding.
http://nbaroundtable.wordpress.com/2...own-extension/
So with the cap at $56.1 million we're looking at about a 5/$103 million deal as the lowest possible max deal.Joe Johnson will be finishing up his ninth season in the NBA this year, and he will be earning a little under $15 million for the season. As such, teams are able to offer him a starting salary of up to 30% of the salary cap or 105% of his previous contract.
Lowest Possible Max Contract
That means that the lowest possible maximum contract starting salary will be $15.73 million. So if Joe were to sign a five year contract, he’d earn:
Year One — $15.73 million
Year Two — $17.38 million
Year Three — $19.2 million
Year Four — $21.22 million
Year Five — $23.45 million
Total — $96.98 million
So the smallest max contract would earn Joe $97 million for five years work, or a little under $20 million per season for the next five years.
Larger Max Contracts
In order for teams to offer more than that amount the salary cap would need to be above $52.5 million next year. Currently, the expectations are in the $50-53 million so we can assume JJ’s contract offer will be fairly comparable to the above one.
•If the cap were to rise to $55 million, Joe could earn an additional $4 million over the life of the contract.
•If the cap managed to hold steady at around $57.5 million, Joe could get an additional $8 million over the lowest possible max offer.
Have you set aside my money yet, Seymour?
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Search bathroom stalls with a blacklight and look for George Michael's name spellled out across your lifeless roofied up body.
What do you guys think of Ian Mahinmi the backup center for the Spurs? He's a free agent with some really nice physical tools who just hasn't gotten the playing time in San Antonio. He apparently was on french radio this week saying that he would definitely be considering the Knicks if they had interest in him because he loves Mike D etc. He said the biggest determining factor for him would be getting an opportunity to play consistently. He would probably be available pretty cheap too because he's played so sparingly and even though he's not very proficient on the offensive I think he'd be a perfect 5 for our system because he loves playing defense and runs the floor like a gazelle. Anyone else who's seen him, thoughts?
If JJ re-signs with the Hawks for more than the max he could get with other teams, but less than the absolute max the Hawks could offer with bird rights, who wins?
http://www.netsdaily.com/2010/5/27/1...-the-right-oneMeanwhile, Kiki Vandeweghe remains at work and intends to stay there until his contract runs out June 30. He's rumored to be a candidate to become Donnie Walsh's No. 2 with the Knicks.
I feel really bad for you guys if this happens.
(I couldn't find the phrase "New York" or "Knick" in any of the three articles ND linked to, or I would have posted the original. Bear with me Snatchypoo)
Is Knicksonline.com the most popular Knicks forum online?
I don't think so. They're usually pretty slow with any kind of news and not that many people post there. A better bet is the realgm knicks forum or the prosportsdaily knicks forum. Those are pretty good.
Good deal. Or just post Knicks here. Probably just as enjoyable if not more for Knicks talk.
RGM is dreadful
He's not going back to Cleveland. If he were, he would have re-signed with them by now.
No, if he waits until 7/1 he gets more money regardless of where he signs.
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So I guess the question is which of these 3 likely candidates do you think would ruin the franchise more?: Kiki, Chris Mullin or H20?
Totally unsubstantiated and I haven't heard anything about this, but what about asking Portland about Bayless? He doesn't seem to get much time behind Roy and Blake..
Wow. This is getting sad/pathetic.
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Damn the We Are Lebron video was low, but using children is just a whole different level of desperate and disgusting. Truly truly sad.
Kiki i think. On a side note w/Houston....its kinda sad how many Knicks fans just think of his terrible contract when you bring up his name. I was hanging w/a bunch of people at a BBQ today---and the Knicks came up. I brought up about how I miss the mid 90s team, as well as the late 90s team w/Houston, Spree, Camby etc. Almost everyone was like "ohhhh Houston was awful....he got that big contract and never lived up to it".
Yes we all agree that contract was bad. Blame Dolan and Layden for that. But I think alot of Knicks fan dont appreciate how good of a player Houston was for us. He got better every year he was here starting in 97-03....after that the knee injury just started to erode his game. He had many big performances in the playoffs. Of course the shot vs Miami in 99....he killed Miami in the 97 series up till the stupid suspensions....he had a huge game in Game 5 vs Miami in 98....he sent us to the Finals in Game 6 vs Indy in 99....scored I think 35 or 36 in our only Finals win vs the Spurs in 99....came up big late in Game 6 vs Miami in 2000, and had a great series (except for Game 6) vs Indy in 2000.
Its just a shame everyone forgets all that, and just remembers the contract. I wish the Knicks of the past 5+ years had a player of Houston's quality---deadly shooter, guy who could create his own offense either off the dribble or via post-up.
Jesus Montero since June 1 (286 at-bats):
.325/.386/.605/.991
July 1 (182 at-bats):
.348/.417/.658/1.075
What do you give up for him? And Blake is a FA this year.
Chandler? He is a solid wing guy that the Blazers don't really have. Batum is kind of that guy, but from what I've seen, he's more of a shooter and occasional slasher at this point of his career. I think Bayless has been ineffective in Portland because Roy and miller have been blocking him, as has Blake(as far as playing time goes). As PG is our biggest need, I would be trying to pick a guy like Bayless up before Portland can really get Bayless integrated into their system(with Miller and Blake being FAs, or soon to be). i haven't heard anything out there about Portland declaring him their PG of the future, so who knows?
They also have Rudy Fernandez. Bayless may be traded. But I'm not sure the Knicks can afford him. Lots of teams will follow him if he is available in the trade market. Also, as you said Roy dominates the ball so much, they don't really need a pure PG. They need a scoring PG who can pass a little. And Bayless fits this role perfectly. Blake is a FA this year and I don't think the Blazers will re-sign him. Bayless will get his chance.
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Jaret Wright's 2005 Cy Young Season: 20-3, 3.04 ERA
Did we forget him posting up Miller and Jalen Rose in the 1999 series....killing them with his turnaround jumpers? Or simply beating them off the dribble and hitting mid-range J's or driving to the basket?
He certainly had a post-up game. He often killed Miami w/it in our playoff battles w/them as well.
Jesus Montero since June 1 (286 at-bats):
.325/.386/.605/.991
July 1 (182 at-bats):
.348/.417/.658/1.075
I always loved him. The thing about him that irritated me to no end though was that he didn't take the ball to the basket enough. The guy actually had a great first step and he could really explode at the basket when he wanted to. To me, we paid him Ray Allen money (which certainly wasn't his fault and I don't blame him for it because he could've been that good) to do half of what Ray Allen did in his prime. To me, if he could have tightened up his defense and been more consistently aggressive he could have really taken the next step to being an elite type of player. I mean there are some guys who only have a mid range game and they're limited to that but H20 could get where he wanted on the court when he wanted. He just wasn't aggressive enough. That's the only real regret I have as far as watching him play. I only have fond memories of him though.
Agreed that at times he would be frustrating to watch cuz of his passiveness. This was really the case early on (I think he deferred to Ewing too much at times....esp in 98, 99 and 2000....Ewing was a secondary/role player and it was really Houston and Spree's team at that point) but I think he gradually got rid of that--it never went away totally and he'd still have those games where he'd score 10 and you would think "wait...where is Allan tonight?"...but then there were those games where he'd get aggressive, show a mean streak, and really take the ball and say "this is my game"....and when he did this he was almost unstoppable at times. In those games, you'd even see him D up a bit better and get his nose dirty on the boards/fighting on the hustle plays.
He really came up big for us in many clutch situations. And that season he had in 02-03 was one of the best any Knick has had in a long time. Remember that game he scored 53 vs LA, went head to head w/Kobe? It was during Kobe's 40 point game streak. As great a defender as Kobe was, Houston lit him up and dominated him that night.
I always got the feeling Knicks fans never liked him/warmed up to him/appreciated him. A few reasons I can think of: he replaced Starks who NY loved. At the same time, the fans took to Spree more because he showed more emotion. And then there's the "contract".
Jesus Montero since June 1 (286 at-bats):
.325/.386/.605/.991
July 1 (182 at-bats):
.348/.417/.658/1.075
Yeah he could really turn it on when he wanted to. Oh man of course I remember that game against Kobe. It was the most excited I've been watching the Knicks in a decade easily. It's such a shame about his knee, especially because the seem to have gotten better at the surgery in the last couple of years. He just got hurt a bit too early. You're probably right though, I think that replacing Starks and not being as outwardly emotional as well as the contract all kind of conspired against him. I wish we had a player like him today though.
Nic Batum is a far better player than Chandler. He's already a lock down defender. The Blazers also have Rudy Fernandez--I don't know where you plan on having Chandler play their. I think Bayless is more valuable to them.
They are going to need Bayless to defend quicker PG. He looked good in flashes last year. Plus, Pritchard loves his prospects.
New song from Jadakiss about LeBron coming to the Knicks.
http://fromthebaseline.com/blogs/1957-r
Rich
Would anyone be interested in putting up a Knicks forum with me? I've been debating on doing this for awhile now and with some help would do it.
www.homeoftheknicks.com
good place
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My gosh, I wonder how much money Vitamin water gave him to get on that. He surrounded by complete trash.
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No bueno:
http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wir...#ixzz0pchNV62tIn an interview with Larry King that will air later on Friday, LeBron James said the Cavaliers have the inside track on retaining him as a free-agent this summer.
King asked James, "Do you lean at all toward the place you know the best? I mean do they have an edge going in?"
"Oh, absolutely," James said.
King then asked if he meant his home team, the Cavaliers.
"Absolutely," James answered. "Because, you know, this city, these fans, I mean, have given me a lot in these seven years.
"And, you know, for me, it's comfortable. So I've got a lot of memories here. And - and so it does have an edge."
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How is that "not good?"
Of course the incumbent is the favorite - we've all known that all along.
The question is being posed prior to any courtship at all - prior to the whole process even starting. Of course that's the answer.
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I want him in New York as much as the next guy, but, I think it's most realistic that hes staying in Cleveland.
I'm really at a point where I don't care anymore. I just want this to be resolved one way or another so I know what we're dealing with. Frankly if we don't get Lebron I'd be perfectly happy adding some size and toughness, developing Gallo into a PF and doing everything we could short of giving up Gallo to get Collison. Save the SF spot for Melo after next season and build from the ground up. Absolutely no Joe Johnson though.
Well yeah, seeing how it's his current team and the state in which he grew up, of course they're the favorite.
Ok, i'm back on the Knicks have a chance to land LBJ train after reading this courtesy of KnicksGod @ RealGM:
OK so read this and I think you will find this truly interesting. It really adds to the LeBron Code that ITGM came up with ... and honestly ... I think this is pretty telling as far as reading Mr. James' intentions:
First, here's what LeBron said in November of 2009:
"It doesn't matter where I'll be, I'm good enough to help a team win basketball games," James said.
"You look at history," he said. "It's like the Yankees , the big-time franchises that have a lot of history. It's hard for the fans to look at what they've been looking at the last few years, because they know the history of what's gone into the Garden.
"So I can understand that as a fan, because I know the history of the game.
"I think the league is doing just fine. But with the Knicks being good, the Celtics being good, the Lakers being good, it makes the league that much better. I'm talking as a fan now, please understand that."
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knick...#ixzz0peJc3Ma3
Now CNN just updated the story with more quotes from LeBron from the Larry King interview from today:
King asked James about reports that he, Wade, Bosh, Johnson and others were planning to talk to each other before they settled on where to go.
"I don't know to that extent, but it will be fun," James said. "It will be fun to get all the free agents together and figure out a way how we can make the league better."
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/06/01/leb...ex.html?hpt=T3
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I feel like there are better reasons to think the Knicks have a chance to get LeBron than word choice coincidences 6 months apart. this isn't the da vinci code
I think everyone just wants some sort of resolution. Fortunately once the world cup starts in 10 games I couldn't care less what crap the media spew about Lebron until July 8th.
I will say this though. If that's Lebron's house in that CNN video I don't see why he would ever leave. Not Cleveland. His house.
I'm not saying that he's coming, and i'm not looking to make this into National Treasure 3: The LeBron Edition, but this is the first time we've heard his thoughts on his impending free agency. I also liked how he recognized how adding a guy like Bosh would help him get closer to the title. Obviously, he knows his options and the negatives and positives associated with each. It's just good to hear him actually come out and say all of this stuff.
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This kid on realgm is like a diabolical genius or something but hey the Keith Van Horn deal happened so who knows. Still think it's a weeee bit far fetched though.
Seems to me it's gonna go down like this somehow:
Sign 2 FA (Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Lee)
The 8 man rotation at this point only has 5 guys:
FA 1
FA 2
Gallo
Chandler
Douglas
At this point, the team's right up against the cap. We'd need to trade Curry for 2 or 3 other players, one or two of whom should be starters. Can we get them with just Curry's $11 million? Not a chance.
The only player who's cap hold is small enough for us to keep and still sign the 2 FA max contracts is Bender. Signing him to a 1 year deal (for possibly as much as $16 MILLION!!!) will allow us to take on as much as $30 million in contracts from another team. Here are some possible packages:
TOR - Calderon, Turkoglu
DET - Gordon, Hamilton, draft pick(s)
PHI - Brand, Dalembert, #2
GS - Biedrins, Maggette
It seems likely to me that if the free agent market works out for the Knicks, Jonathan Bender is likely in for a HUGE payday.
They don't have Bender's Bird Rights, so the whole scenario is implausible.
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