The 2010-2011 New York Knicks Thread

[Snatch Catch]

What do the Knicks have going for them then?

I thought it was cute that you mentioned a billionaire owner and a pending move to New York. Very unique situation the Nets find themselves in there.

[jobasfistpump62]

And rebounder per minute and shot blocker per minute.

Come on now. I know you are excited about your sqquad but gotta be realistic while going through this process.

Bynum is a good player, but those stats are related to him spending less time on the floor than Brook.

[Kluivert4Ever]

Howard - Obviously

Duncan - Power Forward

Noah - Debatable. Lopez is much better offensively. Noah is a better defender and rebounder.

Camby - Seriously? The guy that averaged 7.5 ppg and doesn't play much defense anymore?

Bynum - Can't stay on the floor, but when he does, the only thing he does better is shoot a higher percentage.

Who played center for the Spurs this year?

But anyway.
We can add Jefferson to that list, Bargniani is pretty equal and would have better numbers if it wernt for Bosh, Okafor had a down year but still averaged a double-double and his better defensively. I would also take Bogut over Lopez.

[SLURPEE]

No one in their right mind would choose the Nets over the Knicks. It's like choosing the Mets over the Yankees.[not trying to compare the success the Yankees overall have had have to the Knicks, just mean in terms of fan base/popularity/relevance]. The Nets are irrelevant franchise. Out of the 9 pro metro teams, they're bottom 3rd. Right down there with the Islanders and Devils.

Sorry but Lebron ain't going to the Nets.

[jobasfistpump62]

I thought it was cute that you mentioned a billionaire owner and a pending move to New York. Very unique situation the Nets find themselves in there.

I didn't say it was an advantage over the Knicks did I? My post was a response to the statement that the only reason the Nets are even in it is because of Jay-Z, which is simply not true.

[Snatch Catch]

And rebounder per minute and shot blocker per minute.

Come on now. I know you are excited about your sqquad but gotta be realistic while going through this process.

Lopez is legitimately a positive. There's no debating that. Considering health, I don't think there's any question that you take him over Bynum.

[Kluivert4Ever]

What do the Knicks have going for them then?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqSWL...layer_embedded

8:16 mark....


"This is the mecca of basketball, how can you not love playing here"

New Jersey is not the mecca of basketball, even if they move they never move to MSG.

[jobasfistpump62]

Who played center for the Spurs this year?

But anyway.
We can add Jefferson to that list, Bargniani is pretty equal and would have better numbers if it wernt for Bosh, Okafor had a down year but still averaged a double-double and his better defensively. I would also take Bogut over Lopez.

Mcdyess. Duncan started 1 game at center.

Come on now, Jefferson plays no defense and again, can't stay on the floor.

Bargnani can't rebound, which is kind of important for a center.

Okafor is on the decline and isn't even close to Brook offensively. He is a better rebounder and defender though. He didn't average a double-double either.

Bogut I'll agree with if what he showed this year is what he really is. He's also had a tough time staying healthy though.

[Snatch Catch]

I didn't say it was an advantage over the Knicks did I? My post was a response to the statement that the only reason the Nets are even in it is because of Jay-Z, which is simply not true.

It may not be the only reason, but Jay-Z is clearly the reason why the Nets have gotten the audience with LeBron that they have. They'd be no different than the Clippers getting their meeting with Lebron if they didn't have Jay-Z putting in work.

[jobasfistpump62]

It may not be the only reason, but Jay-Z is clearly the reason why the Nets have gotten the audience with LeBron that they have. They'd be no different than the Clippers getting their meeting with Lebron if they didn't have Jay-Z putting in work.

I kind of agree with the Jay-Z thing, but not 100%. I think the guys on the Nets are a bigger draw than the Clippers' guys because their guys are aging. Plus, LeBron would have to compete with Kobe to be the king of LA.

[SLURPEE]

What's pretty sad for Net fans is that Jay-Z is a Knick fan actually. You see him more court side at MSG than at the Meadowlands.

Only reason why he doesn't own 1% of the Knicks is because Dolan wouldn't let him buy any shares.

[Snatch Catch]

What's pretty sad for Net fans is that Jay-Z is a Knick fan actually. You see him more court side at MSG than at the Meadowlands.

Only reason why he doesn't own 1% of the Knicks is because Dolan wouldn't let him buy any shares.

Which looks to be an ENORMOUS mistake.

[Kluivert4Ever]

Which looks to be an ENORMOUS mistake.

No kidding, imagine if we had Jay-Z on our side as well. Damn it.

[SLURPEE]

Oh stop. Lebron is not making this big career decision based on a rapper owning less then 1% of an irrelevant franchise. Let him hang out with Sean Carter as a Knick. He doesn't need to be a Net to hang with him.

[awy]

la is a west coast market. it will never be as big as new york.

[Yankees13]

Which looks to be an ENORMOUS mistake.

I've been thinking about this, why didn't they let Jay-Z buy a share of the Knicks. It's not like he wanted a huge share. Was it an image thing?

[Yankees1962]

Interesting tactic by the Knicks.

http://blogs.forbes.com/sportsmoney/...mepagelighttop

[SLURPEE]

Interesting tactic by the Knicks.

http://blogs.forbes.com/sportsmoney/...mepagelighttop

Lebron has expressed interest in becoming a billionaire.

[Kluivert4Ever]

DA on Knicks live

Comfortable meeting because Mike and him knew each other
-Talked about the city for a while (showed a video), then talked basketball for an hour
-Definately nerves like a playoff game, will set the franchise forward or backward 10 years = /
-They talked about current players in roster and showed video about them and how they will develop
-Talked about future moves
-Told him that EVERY MOVE WE HAVE MADE THE LAST 2 YEARS (INCLUDING CURRENT ROSTER) WAS WITH HIM IN MIND WOW
-Meeting Bosh tomorrow, didnt mention Wade

[YanksFan1992]

I find it incredible that the Nets thread appears to be invisible to their own fans.

I'm starting to get the feeling that if we don't get LeBron, we won't get anyone (except for maybe David Lee and Redick! Woo!!!! ).

[chanman7483]

I knew he would. Just look at some of the dumb contracts handed out today....Darko got 4/20 and Gooden got 5/32. WTF is wrong with some GM's? Rudy Gay is gonna get the max. If he can get the max, then there is no doubt JJ will.

Here's a question though....do we "suck it up" and offer JJ as much as we can, knowing that it might help us land James?

On Gooden, from HoopsWorld:

The Bucks were after Gooden fairly aggressively last summer, and he opted to go to Dallas to chase a championship, agreeing to a partial guaranteed one-year deal. The Bucks tried desperately to obtain Gooden at the trade deadline and wasted no time in free agency in securing his services

Drew Gooden? Really?? More on the Bucks from ESPN:

The Bucks and Salmons have been discussing a five-year, $39 million deal both last night and today, according to league sources. However, sources stressed that a deal is not done and details still need to be worked out. At issue appears to be the fifth year. The Bucks are pushing for that fifth year to be only partially guaranteed, sources said, but both sides remain committed to getting the deal done.

Tying up their money in Gooden/Salmons... Ok... Although, Salmons was a nice piece for them, but ~8 mil a year.. wow.

[yankeesrule2000]

According to a suns beat writer on twitter a team has offered A'mare the max, thinks it could be the knicks.

[YanksFan1992]

According to a suns beat writer on twitter a team has offered A'mare the max, thinks it could be the knicks.

[Joba-Walkee]

I find it incredible that the Nets thread appears to be invisible to their own fans.

I'm starting to get the feeling that if we don't get LeBron, we won't get anyone (except for maybe David Lee and Redick! Woo!!!! ).

Fans? There's more than one??

[yankeesrule2000]

Amare and NY discussing "numbers"

http://www.theknicksblog.com/

I don't know how credible this report is, this guy did break the Jerome Jordan trade at the draft though.

[Yankees13]

Source is questionable, but this is VERY interesting timing if true.

[Joba-Walkee]

I don't know if it was posted here during the FA frenzy, but the giant sign Prokhorov put up in NYC right across from the Garden is hilarious.

[SLURPEE]

Back to the Knicks.


Why hasn't Joe Johnson accepted the Hawks offer yet? How long does it take to accept 120 mill?

Could it be he's holding out a bit to see does Lebron come to Knicks? Can't think of another reason he's taking this long to sign with the Hawks.

[yankeesrule2000]

Source is questionable, but this is VERY interesting timing if true.

Agreed, James wanted Amare in Cleveland at the deadline, maybe he told the Knicks to go get him.

[awy]

this is the knicks/nets strongest argument

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_metropolitan_product

[machphantom]

From RealGM:
Kerrsed wrote:
Another Suns beat writer Gambo:

It's official-Suns and Amare have broken off all talks after last proposal turned down and there is NO chance he will return to the Phx Suns


Also a poster that gets some inside info from time to time on our board say:

Amare got a non sign and trade offer from the Knicks for the max. Heat offered 15 mil split three ways. Suns are still at 4 and max and won't go more than that.

I think we might have just vaulted ourselves to the top of the LBJ sweepstakes.

[YanksFan1992]

Please get Amar'e. Even if we don't get LeBron, it's a heck of a lot better than JJ Redick and cap space.

[Yankees13]

Lots of smoke on this now, I think there's something to it.

[dabomb2045]

I will say I like Amare/James much more then JJ/James. We already have the outside threat in Gallo....adding the PF in Amare along with James would give us a very nice trio. Ive always felt we had a good chance at Amare due to his relationship with D'Antoni. Phoenix also doesnt seem willing to offer him a good deal....as opposed to Atlanta offering JJ the max.

If we can land Amare then we can say "look LeBron, we went over our plan and we already kept our word by signing your new wingman". Lets see if this comes to fruition. With James seemingly throwing out that July 5th deadline, we need to act quick.

I think if we end up with Amare/James then Bosh def goes to Miami to join Wade. And just like that the Knicks/Heat rivalry is revitalized once again.

[YanksFan1992]

I told myself I wouldn't get too excited about any unsubstantiated rumors, but I know find myself refreshing twitter every few seconds (I must say, as silly as it is most of the time, it's certainly effective for spreading rumors/news in this kind of situation).

[dabomb2045]

I told myself I wouldn't get too excited about any unsubstantiated rumors, but I know find myself refreshing twitter every few seconds (I must say, as silly as it is most of the time, it's certainly effective for spreading rumors/news in this kind of situation).

I am trying not to get excited either....hard not to. Its amazing how many rumors and reports that have been out there the past few days. My mood swings have been ridiculous.

[YanksFan1992]

I am trying not to get excited either....hard not to. Its amazing how many rumors and reports that have been out there the past few days. My mood swings have been ridiculous.

At around 1 PM today (having listened to ESPN radio for quite a bit), I was becoming certain that Bosh would be the only marquee free agent to change teams. Obviously it's still possible, but I was really pissed for a few hours.

[awy]

i don't think the knicks would make a major move like this without knowing what james thinks of the matter. so, yay

[chanman7483]

Back to the Knicks.


Why hasn't Joe Johnson accepted the Hawks offer yet? How long does it take to accept 120 mill?

Could it be he's holding out a bit to see does Lebron come to Knicks? Can't think of another reason he's taking this long to sign with the Hawks.

He can't accept until July 8th.

[chanman7483]

Amir Johnson has signed a 5 yr 34 mil deal with the Raptors.
Channing Frye signed a 5 yr 30 mil deal with the Suns

WTF IS GOING ON??!!? Amir avg 6/4 in 18 minutes a game last year. I'm assuming they are banking on increased production from him since Bosh is gone, but wow.

[YanksFan1992]

There are a few rumors (namely from an apparent friend of Amare's on twitter, although his posts have mostly been taken down) that Amar'e just left MSG and has all but signed a deal. It is also rumored that he spoke to LeBron before said meeting. I can't really prove any of this, as most of it has been taken down and almost all of it is from sources that lack credibility.

Things that make you go hmmm

[YanksFan1992]

Well, apparently all of this was spread from a fake twitter account, and has been shut down by J.A. Adande and the like.

[dabomb2045]

Whats funny (or not funny)....is that the owners will likely lockout the players after next season. Yet the owners are the ones handing out INSANE contracts. Who the hell thought it was a good idea to give Gooden 7M, Darko 5M, Amir Johnson 7M and Frye 6M?

[dabomb2045]

Well, apparently all of this was spread from a fake twitter account, and has been shut down by J.A. Adande and the like.

Cant say thats a surprise. I would guess around 85-90% of what we hear is inaccurate.

[YanksFan1992]

(Credit to Sam for the Bobcat reference)

[Kluivert4Ever]

Adrian Woj

Knicks are in real, real free agent trouble. Amar'e is lukewarm on NY.

WTF is going on. If we cant lure free agents over now we never will.

[dabomb2045]

Like I said....either the next few days will turn our entire franchise around (James/Bosh, James/JJ, James/Amare) or it will be a stomach punch of the worse kind/epic disaster which will sentence us to more bad basketball (we get nobody).

I dont see any middle ground. If we get nobody, it cant be labeled anything but an epic disaster.

[Rocketbooster]

I'm not surprised. Why would anyone want to come to the Knicks? They've sucked for ages, their owner is a laughing stock and they've done nothing in the draft recently. I love NY, but the lure of the city is not sufficient to overcome the other crappy reason to avoid the team. I don't quite blame the Knicks - they did what they could, but you can not force people to sign here. Therefore, the plan was always on shaky ground. How can you plan for something that you have no control over?

Assuming they strike out, they are screwed because they've traded away some/most of their upcoming draft picks.

[R.V.47]

At least we wont have to wait that long.

According to a source in the room, James told Knicks brass his decision will come very soon, and there's a report James wants to decide by Monday, July 5. New York Post

[SLURPEE]

WTF is going on. If we cant lure free agents over now we never will.

LMAO

Why are you Knick fans still listening to Woj?? He's another media member that thinks the Knicks aren't getting anyone.