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    I'd ask you to come up with a new joke, but that might hurt your pretty little head, and we wouldn't want that now would we?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joba-Walkee
    I'd ask you to come up with a new joke, but that might hurt your pretty little head, and we wouldn't want that now would we?
    I'd ask what is your agenda by always trying to come in this thread to piss off us Knicks fans....but I'm sure I wont get an answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dabomb2045
    I'd ask what is your agenda by always trying to come in this thread to piss off us Knicks fans....but I'm sure I wont get an answer.
    So far my "pissing off you Knicks fans" has constituted of saying Joe Johnson was a good player, and if I was in the position the Knicks are in, I'd gladly take him, and post an article wondering what the Knicks could trade for Rubio. OH NO I'M SUCH A TROLL.

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    "Terrence has about as much potential as Danilo"

    Guys, just ignore this kid, if there was any question if he had any clue what he was talking about, this should be the nail in the coffin that he's either here to troll or just really f*cking stupid. Just let him post away and don't answer him when he has these tourette moments.
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    Re: The 2010-2011 New York Knicks Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Snatch Catch
    "Terrence has about as much potential as Danilo"

    Guys, just ignore this kid, if there was any question if he had any clue what he was talking about, this should be the nail in the coffin that he's either here to troll or just really f*cking stupid. Just let him post away and don't answer him when he has these tourette moments.
    Who's Terrence?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kan_t
    Who's Terrence?
    Terrence Williams, a good-bodied 6'6" SG whose primary tool is his defense, and whose offensive game is, well, offensive.

    Think a smaller Wilson Chandler in the sense that his physical skills don't match his on court abilities - If only Williams could shoot, and if only Chandler could rebound (they have the same lack of ability to get to the FT line, but when Williams actually gets to the line he's not a good FT shooter.)

    Basically they're both guys who look the part of an NBA stud, but their games don't match their physical talents at this juncture. They're the same type of guys - coveted in the draft for the potential of their physical skills, yet not even close to polished players (despite the fact theat Williams was a senior). If we're throwing around terms like "having as much potential as" I'd say Chandler has as much potential as Williams, and without hesitation.

    Or maybe we could think of him as a taller Toney Douglas with better rebounding skills.

    Regardless, the idea of Terrence Williams being of nearly the same potential as Gallinari is a complete load of crap that only a troll or a moron would peddle.
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    The only thing not polished about Williams is his shooting touch, and his shot selection (and even that was remedied near the end of the season).

    I love how you completely ignore his play making ability, when that is, by far, his biggest strength. His natural instincts on the offense are unmatched by anyone on the Knicks or Nets (not that I'm setting the bar high at all). He probably has the best passing instincts of anyone in last draft, outside of Curry and Collison.

    Look at his last two months. He won Rookie of the Month in his last month, and arguably got screwed the month before (Jennings won, even though they had even stat lines, but with Williams having 3 more rebounds and playing much better defense).

    Keep in mind, he had to play in a cluster................ of a situation with the worst head coach of all time leading the way after 16 games. He finally got a sizable role in the offense in the last two months, and he fully took advantage (His garbage December to February was no one's fault but his, he was acting pretty immature then).

    Again, look at his March and April:
    http://www.basketball-reference.com/...1/splits/2010/

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    So he's either a 6'6" point-forward who not only can't shoot, but takes poor shots, and can't finish, or he's a shooting guard who can't shoot. Excellent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snatch Catch
    So he's either a 6'6" point-forward who not only can't shoot, but takes poor shots, and can't finish, or he's a shooting guard who can't shoot. Excellent.

    "His natural instincts on offense."
    He's a 6'6 220 pound point forward with elite defense and physical tools (athleticism, strength, and speed), and can pass, rebound, get to the rim, and get to the line.
    I said his shot selection was improving, but I guess your selective reading skips over the parts that make you wrong. Don't want to bruise the old ego I suppose.

    Lets play a game:
    Haha Dirk. He's a 7 foot PF who can't defend, rebound, and just shoots jumpers and never plays with his back to the basket. Excellent.

    Haha Gallinari. He's either a 6'10 power forward who can shoot but can't defend the post or rebound, or a 6'10 small forward who can't get around his man. AND he's got injury problems, and is only 225 pounds! Excellent.

    Haha Wade. He's a 6'4 shooting guard who can't shoot, needs to constantly have the ball to succeed, and is always getting hurt! Excellent.

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    How can you write something about Terrence Williams and completely ignore his passing ability? What a complete load of crap; only a troll or a moron would peddle that.

    Keep trying, Trolly McTrollTroll Troll

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    Wow, it just gets better and better. Now Terrence Williams deserves the same consideration as Dwyane Wade and Dirk Nowitzki for his shortcomings. Amazing.

    Terrence gets to the line 2.9 times per 36 minutes in his career.

    Wilson Chandler, the guy you chide constantly for not being able to get to the line, gets there 2.7 times per 36 minutes in his career.

    I love stats.

    Williams has solid PG skills in a wing body, which would be great if they wanted him to be a PG or if he stayed at the 3 and had anything resembling a legitimate NBA scoring ability. Too bad neither is the case.

    And saying that Terrence Williams provides "elite defense" at this point is something that you should probably keep to the nets thread. Having that potential is one thing, being there is a different story.
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    Re: The 2010-2011 New York Knicks Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Joba-Walkee
    How can you write something about Terrence Williams and completely ignore his passing ability? What a complete load of crap; only a troll or a moron would peddle that.

    Keep trying, Trolly McTrollTroll Troll
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snatch Catch
    Wow, it just gets better and better. Now Terrence Williams deserves the same consideration as Dwyane Wade and Dirk Nowitzki for his shortcomings. Amazing.

    Terrence gets to the line 2.9 times per 36 minutes in his career.

    Wilson Chandler, the guy you chide constantly for not being able to get to the line, gets there 2.7 times per 36 minutes in his career.

    I love stats.

    Williams has solid PG skills in a wing body, which would be great if they wanted him to be a PG or if he stayed at the 3 and had anything resembling a legitimate NBA scoring ability. Too bad neither is the case.

    And saying that Terrence Williams provides "elite defense" at this point is something that you should probably keep to the nets thread. Having that otential is one thing, being there is a different story.
    Last two months, he got to the line 3.8 times per 36.

    He's got good PG skills in an elite wing body.
    He scored 17 points per 36 in March and 15.15 points per 36 in April. Yeah, he's just awful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snatch Catch
    He's a new breed of NBA star! A small forward who can pass really well, but can't shoot a lick!







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    Danilo is new breed of NBA star! A combo forward who shoots jumpers 82% of the time and 94% of the time in the clutch, but can't rebound or defend big men!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joba-Walkee




    :rofl:

    This just keeps getting better and better!

    Anfernee Hardaway: Had a tremendous offensive game, played the point, and shot 50% from the field over his first 3 NBA seasons.

    Grant Hill: Had a tremendous offensive game, and shot 48% from the field in his first 3 NBA seasons.

    Lebron James: You've got me on this one, he has an atrocious offensive game and T-Will compares favorably to him.


    None of those guys had anything even remotely close to the giant void that Williams has when it comes to scoring ability, and they all always had the offensive games to shoot and score.

    I'm glad to know that you're banking on Williams becoming one of the best players of his era though, I think that tells us a lot about you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joba-Walkee
    Danilo is new breed of NBA star! A combo forward who shoots jumpers 82% of the time and 94% of the time in the clutch, but can't rebound or defend big men!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joba-Walkee
    Danilo has 2nd banana potential (not a knock on him, that is very valuable) and Douglas is a defensive point guard with good potential. Chandler is a dime a dozen scorer and Walker is, in fact, a bum.
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    None of those three guys could shoot, but they were all SF who could pass. That's all you asked for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snatch Catch
    None of those guys had anything even remotely close to the giant void that Williams has when it comes to scoring ability, and they all always had the offensive games to shoot and score.

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    He scored 17 points per 36 in March and 15.15 points per 36 in April. Yeah, he's just awful.

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    Re: The 2010-2011 New York Knicks Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Joba-Walkee
    None of those three guys could shoot, but they were all SF who could pass. That's all you asked for.
    Ah, resorting to semantics!

    They all had offensive games and could score. I've been killing your silly assertion that T-Will had 2nd banana potential because the guy cannot be a legitimate scoring option on an NBA team. You can't be a 2nd banana if you have a bad offensive game in the NBA.

    Williams is a nice bench piece on a playoff team.
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    His offensive game isn't predicated on his scoring. Also, he's not a bad scorer.

    It's not semantics. That's all you said. No other way to interpret it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joba-Walkee
    His offensive game isn't predicated on his scoring.
    You can't be a second banana in the NBA if you can't score.

    Quote Originally Posted by Joba-Walkee
    Also, he's not a bad scorer.
    Ok. Four years of college and all but one month (where he was playing for the worst team in the league) in the NBA suggest otherwise. Makes sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by Joba-Walkee
    It's not semantics. That's all you said. No other way to interpret it.
    We were having a discussion about T-Will primarily, and I mentioned several times that he had a horrendous scoring game and couldn't shoot. Then you took that post, which happened to mention only shooting, out of the context of the discussion to focus on it semantically. If you weren't playing the semantics game, and were legitimately introducing Grant Hill, Penny Hardaway, and Lebron James into a discussion about Terrence Williams' potential, that's a whole 'nother level of idiocy.
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    I wonder how many people would trade Terrence Williams for Gallinari straight up. I think Joba-Walkee would be the only Nets fan who wouldn't do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joba-Walkee
    Lopez is the best player on either team, Terrence has about as much potential as Danilo, Lee is slightly better than Douglas, and the Nets have a top 4 pick. The rest of the Nets aren't worth talking about.

    I haven't pumped up the Nets in this thread, but you're free to keep up with the strawmen.
    What are top two statements based on?

    I wont ask about the other one seeing as you and Snatch are debating it currently.

    And if you really are serious about the third statement, Ill call Donnie right now and tell him to give you our 2nd rounder for Harris.
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    Quote Originally Posted by just-blaze
    What are top two statements based on?

    I wont ask about the other one seeing as you and Snatch are debating it currently.

    And if you really are serious about the third statement, Ill call Donnie right now and tell him to give you our 2nd rounder for Harris.
    I do think that Lopez is going to be the best on either team. He is the second best center in the East IMO.

    Lee is much much better than Douglas.

    On paper, the Nets actually is not bad. But they need a real coach who can teach them defense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kan_t
    I do think that Lopez is going to be the best on either team. He is the second best center in the East IMO.

    Lee is much much better than Douglas.

    On paper, the Nets actually is not bad. But they need a real coach who can teach them defense.
    I can almost agree with that barring what Gallinari turns into, but currently........
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    Quote Originally Posted by just-blaze
    I can almost agree with that barring what Gallinari turns into, but currently........
    I view Lopez and Lee about equal currently.

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    He was talking about Courtney Lee, and it's funny that he sees Lee as "slightly better than Douglas."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snatch Catch
    He was talking about Courtney Lee, and it's funny that he sees Lee as "slightly better than Douglas."
    I don't know, maybe he thinks that Lee has better defense or has playoff experience? On rate stats Douglas is better but their sample is so small that they look the same to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kan_t
    I don't know, maybe he thinks that Lee has better defense or has playoff experience? On rate stats Douglas is better but their sample is so small that they look the same to me.
    They're both very good defensively, so that can't be it.

    Lee's rate stats dropped off significantly in his second year, and he definitely regressed, so that can't be it.

    Douglas had a higher PER on the year, so that can't be it.

    Oh, maybe it's because he's Net? That's got to be it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snatch Catch
    They're both very good defensively, so that can't be it.

    Lee's rate stats dropped off significantly in his second year, and he definitely regressed, so that can't be it.

    Douglas had a higher PER on the year, so that can't be it.

    Oh, maybe it's because he's Net? That's got to be it.
    Got it.

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    After watching Joe Johnson in the playoffs, I would not give him a max contract. You can't be THAT bad in the post-season and expect to be paid on the same level as LBJ or Wade.

    I'd grab him for the right price, but that's not a max contract.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellsing
    After watching Joe Johnson in the playoffs, I would not give him a max contract. You can't be THAT bad in the post-season and expect to be paid on the same level as LBJ or Wade.

    I'd grab him for the right price, but that's not a max contract.
    I would much rather sign Rudy Gay if it came to that to be honest. You're talking about an extra 4 million dollars in your pocket for a much younger player with a similar skill set. The problem is that Gallo is not strong enough to play the 4 and I don't know if Rudy could guard the 2.

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    My feeling has always been if the Cavs win a championship, he's staying.

    If they don't, then he's gone. I'm sticking with this. We'll see what happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLURPEE
    My feeling has always been if the Cavs win a championship, he's staying.

    If they don't, then he's gone. I'm sticking with this. We'll see what happens.
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    LeBron James and the Cleveland Cavs Lose by 32. James is 1 loss away from being a New York Knick!
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    Quote Originally Posted by yankeesrule2000
    LeBron James and the Cleveland Cavs Lose by 32. James is 1 loss away from being a New York Knick!
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    Cavs aren't dead until they're dead. I'm not getting my hopes up.
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    I don't think I've ever seen Lebron look more disinterested than what I saw tonight. What did he take, 15 shots total? Hell John Starks took more shots than that in the worst basketball game I've ever watched. If they lose this series there's almost no way he's not a Knick next year IMO.

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    Let's go Celtics!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyhughes22
    I don't think I've ever seen Lebron look more disinterested than what I saw tonight. What did he take, 15 shots total? Hell John Starks took more shots than that in the worst basketball game I've ever watched. If they lose this series there's almost no way he's not a Knick next year IMO.
    Me thinks he has mentally checked out of Cleveland...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLURPEE
    Me thinks he has mentally checked out of Cleveland...
    I don't really buy that. I mean, he completely destroyed Boston IN Boston less than a week ago. So in that time, he's checked out? Don't think so. That's what makes the whole thing so damn confusing.

    He seems pretty nonchalant and disconnected w/ the fans, so I really don't think he gives 2 sh*ts about Cleveland or what the fans think of him. He hasn't come out and said it like Joe Johnson, but his demeanor and complacency all points to this.

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    Wouldn't it be a bitch if the Cavs lose, and LeBron leaves Cleveland for.....

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    I'd be very surprised if that happened. Very.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JfromJersey
    Wouldn't it be a bitch if the Cavs lose, and LeBron leaves Cleveland for.....

    Chicago!

    I think the Bulls' targets are Wade or Bosh. If they can get one of them, they would be a contender immediately. The Knicks definitely don't want to see Wade staying in the Heats and Bosh going to the Bulls or the Heart. Not that I think the Knicks will get LBJ AND Wade. The point is that if Wade stays, it increases the chance of Bosh joining him or the Bulls going after Bosh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JfromJersey
    Wouldn't it be a bitch if the Cavs lose, and LeBron leaves Cleveland for.....

    Chicago!

    It would be but if he goes, I don't see it anywhere but for NY. Chicago is and always will be Jordan's turf
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