Cy Young Watch

[NYYDragoon]

Thanks. I thought it was a half-season award.

I'm just saying. A lot can happen between now and September. I'm not putting my money on anyone yet.

[I'm A Wenner!]

I'm just saying. A lot can happen between now and September. I'm not putting my money on anyone yet.

Then don't join the discussion. This thread is about the Cy Young race. The entire point of the thread is to discuss who might win the Cy Young. It's incredibly obvious to everyone that the award is not decided at this point. We don't need you to come in and tell everyone that they shouldn't guess at who might win because they could end up being wrong.

[NYYDragoon]

Then don't join the discussion. This thread is about the Cy Young race. The entire point of the thread is to discuss who might win the Cy Young. It's incredibly obvious to everyone that the award is not decided at this point. We don't need you to come in and tell everyone that they shouldn't guess at who might win because they could end up being wrong.

Wow, someone piss in your cereal this morning? Or maybe I'll give you the benefit of the doubt because of the heat?

Title of the thread is "Cy Young Watch". People are following top pitching performances across MLB. THEBOSS narrowed the final award down to a few guys, and I just pointed out that I'm going to reserve on casting final judgment this early. But please, continue to play forum police; it's cute.

[NYYDragoon]

I'm going to go with Cliff Lee for my first half AL Cy; that K/BB ratio has me mesmerized. Not to mention all the complete games he's thrown.

[I'm A Wenner!]

Wow, someone piss in your cereal this morning? Or maybe I'll give you the benefit of the doubt because of the heat?

Title of the thread is "Cy Young Watch". People are following top pitching performances across MLB. THEBOSS narrowed the final award down to a few guys, and I just pointed out that I'm going to reserve on casting final judgment this early. But please, continue to play forum police; it's cute.

Can you tell me the point of reminding a guy who makes a prediction that his prediction isn't guaranteed to be correct?

[I'm A Wenner!]

And yes, my cat peed in my cereal this morning. It was awful.

[Hellsing]

And yes, my cat peed in my cereal this morning. It was awful.

Was the cereal better or worse after the cat pee?

[NerfBall55]

Somebody that I know, that none of you know, thinks that David Price will win.

[Yankee Fan in Boston]

And yes, my cat peed in my cereal this morning. It was awful.

On a positive note, I am glad to hear that your cat is well-hydrated. That can be a real concern in this heat.

[I'm A Wenner!]

Somebody that I know, that none of you know, thinks that David Price will win.

Remind him that a lot can happen between now and September.

[NYYDragoon]

Can you tell me the point of reminding a guy who makes a prediction that his prediction isn't guaranteed to be correct?

Nope. It's a secret.

[BronxYanks45]

for the NL its hands down Jimenez unless he ends up on the DL.

for the AL its between Lee, Lester, Price, Buchholz and Pettitte with a long shot.

I'd love Hughes to get it but realistically with the innings limits he wont have as many starts as the others.

[Yankee Fan in Boston]

for the NL its hands down Jimenez unless he ends up on the DL.

for the AL its between Lee, Lester, Price, Buchholz and Pettitte with a long shot.

I'd love Hughes to get it but realistically with the innings limits he wont have as many starts as the others.

CC is often dominant in the second half -- I wouldn't count him out

[NYYDragoon]

I want Lester and Price to tank during the second half (whatever is bad for the Sox and Rays is good for the Yanks) and Lee to get traded to the NL so Andy has a shot.

[kan_t]

for the NL its hands down Jimenez unless he ends up on the DL.

for the AL its between Lee, Lester, Price, Buchholz and Pettitte with a long shot.

I'd love Hughes to get it but realistically with the innings limits he wont have as many starts as the others.

For the NL Wainwright makes the thing interesting. Right now he has a better ERA, WHIP, more SO and higher IP than Jimenez.

For the AL everyone has a chance.

[ChrisNY]

CC is often dominant in the second half -- I wouldn't count him out

Agreed, I wouldn't be too surprised if CC won it. He's got the name recognition, he's on the Yankees - giving him a lot of wins (those guys love wins), and he's known for his second half.

[NYYDragoon]

Our own CC's ERA is falling falling falling...

[kan_t]

AL

CC: 13-3, 144.1 IP, 3,18 ERA, 119 SO, 1.219 WHIP

Buchholz: 10-5, 96 IP, 2.81 ERA, 66 SO, 1.292 WHIP

Lester: 11-4, 128 IP, 2.81 ERA, 130 SO, 1.117 WHIP

Lee: 9-4, 130 IP, 2.56 ERA, 101 SO, 0.915 WHIP

Price:12-5, 120.1 IP, 2.84 ERA, 103 SO, 1.238 WHIP

Weaver: 9-6, 134 IP, 3.22 ERA, 147 SO, 1.090 WHIP



NL

Halladay: 11-8, 162 IP, 2.28 ERA, 140 SO, 1.043 WHIP

Johnson: 10-3, 134.1 IP, 1.61 ERA, 141 SO, 0.968 WHIP

Wainwright: 14-5, 148.1 IP, 1.94 ERA, 136 SO, 1.004 WHIP

Jimenez: 15-1, 132.1 IP, 2.38 ERA, 118 SO, 1.073 WHIP

[EvanJ]

At http://espn.go.com/mlb/features/cyyoung the Yankees have Sabathia first and Pettitte second in the AL Cy Young Predictor. The fact that Sabathia (119.3 points, 3.18 ERA) is ahead of Josh Johnson (117.9 points, 1.61 ERA) despite Johnson's ERA being about half of Sabathia's shows the formula is flawed.

[Mr.Muhozi]

At http://espn.go.com/mlb/features/cyyoung the Yankees have Sabathia first and Pettitte second in the AL Cy Young Predictor. The fact that Sabathia (119.3 points, 3.18 ERA) is ahead of Josh Johnson (117.9 points, 1.61 ERA) despite Johnson's ERA being about half of Sabathia's shows the formula is flawed.

Doesn't JJ have more K's than CC aswell?

I suppose AL and NL factors might be involved in the formula

[snarkerella]

At http://espn.go.com/mlb/features/cyyoung the Yankees have Sabathia first and Pettitte second in the AL Cy Young Predictor. The fact that Sabathia (119.3 points, 3.18 ERA) is ahead of Josh Johnson (117.9 points, 1.61 ERA) despite Johnson's ERA being about half of Sabathia's shows the formula is flawed.

Seeing how the voters generally judge these kind of things (WINS!)... no, it's actually not a flawed formula.

Anyway, unless he goes on a Cliff Lee CG tear when he gets back, I don't see Pettitte having any chance at the Cy Young now. Oh well.

[BronxYanks45]

in the AL with Hughes on limits and Pettitte out for a while I think its a race between CC, Price, Lester, and Lee

[kan_t]

The Cy Young race has just shown that how long the baseball season is. A month ago people still said that Jimenez is a lock. Now he shouldn't even be in the top 3 voting.

[armstrong]

At http://espn.go.com/mlb/features/cyyoung the Yankees have Sabathia first and Pettitte second in the AL Cy Young Predictor. The fact that Sabathia (119.3 points, 3.18 ERA) is ahead of Josh Johnson (117.9 points, 1.61 ERA) despite Johnson's ERA being about half of Sabathia's shows the formula is flawed.

The formula isn't flawed. Candidates get bonus points if their team is in 1st place because traditionally, CY young winners were more likely to come from division leaders, independent of their stats.

[BronxYanks45]

The Cy Young race has just shown that how long the baseball season is. A month ago people still said that Jimenez is a lock. Now he shouldn't even be in the top 3 voting.

THIS

so true, and I was in that camp too.

[armstrong]

The Cy Young race has just shown that how long the baseball season is. A month ago people still said that Jimenez is a lock. Now he shouldn't even be in the top 3 voting.

That's a bit of an exaggeration. I can't see how he would literally be 4th in balloting right now, not with the 15-1 record and the no hitter.

But your point is made. He's not a lock obviously for the CYA.

[NYYDragoon]

The Cy Young race has just shown that how long the baseball season is. A month ago people still said that Jimenez is a lock. Now he shouldn't even be in the top 3 voting.

Careful. I got yelled at for saying this on the last page.

[kan_t]

That's a bit of an exaggeration. I can't see how he would literally be 4th in balloting right now, not with the 15-1 record and the no hitter.

But your point is made. He's not a lock obviously for the CYA.

Now he is 15-2 and he keeps falling. Right now his ERA, WHIP, K, IP are ALL worse than Halladay, Johnson and Wainwright. Those 3 beat him in all four important Cy Young stats. And it's not like he is running away in win total. Wainwright is only one win behind.

[delv]

um, let's not ignore the fact that last year Lincecum and Greinke won... Unless we assume that was an aberration, we wanna hesitate to say that it's still all about win totals.

[BigMan07]

Carl Pavano for Cy Young..

[kan_t]

AL

CC: 14-5, 166 IP, 3,14 ERA, 131 SO, 1.241 WHIP

Buchholz: 12-5, 118.1 IP, 2.66 ERA, 82 SO, 1.225 WHIP

Lester: 11-7, 146.2 IP, 3.07 ERA, 154 SO, 1.159 WHIP

Lee: 10-5, 155 IP, 2.44 ERA, 126 SO, 0.916 WHIP

Price:14-5, 140.2 IP, 2.82 ERA, 124 SO, 1.223 WHIP

Weaver: 11-7, 155 IP, 2.96 ERA, 171 SO, 1.084 WHIP

Pavano: 14-7, 161.2 IP, 3.28 ERA, 93 SO, 1.082 WHIP



NL

Halladay: 13-8, 178 IP, 2.17 ERA, 158 SO, 1.017 WHIP

Johnson: 10-4, 155 IP, 1.97 ERA, 156 SO, 1.013 WHIP

Wainwright: 16-6, 169.1 IP, 2.07 ERA, 154 SO, 0.998 WHIP

Jimenez: 17-2, 148.1 IP, 2.67 ERA, 138 SO, 1.106 WHIP

Hudson: 13-5, 156.2 IP, 2.24 ERA, 83 SO, 1.104 WHIP

[NYYDragoon]

I wish the SP in the AL (except for CC) would regress just enough such that Mo starts getting some consideration.

[Steve Dalkowski]

I wish the SP in the AL (except for CC) would regress just enough such that Mo starts getting some consideration.

Even if the SP weren't so strong this year, don't you think Rivera would need sexier save numbers? He's "only" on pace to have around 35.

[YankeeFanSinceBucky]

I wish the SP in the AL (except for CC) would regress just enough such that Mo starts getting some consideration.

Mo was absolutely robbed the year they gave it to Bartolo Colon...that was a joke, much like Palmiero getting the Gold Glove over Tino

[kan_t]

Mo was absolutely robbed the year they gave it to Bartolo Colon...that was a joke, much like Palmiero getting the Gold Glove over Tino

Santana says hello.

[NYYRules#1]

Right now I'd give it to Lee and Johnson, personally.

And yes, Santana deserved it that year, without a question in my mind.

[awy]

lee and halladay

[Hooligan Tavarez]

A closer should never win the Cy Young. If any closer was good enough to be awarded the Cy Young they would not be pitching one inning.

[THEBOSS84]

lee and halladay

I don't see any argument you can possibly give me for you selecting Halladay over Wainright. You're basically saying that the 9 more innings Roy pitched make up for his deficit in wins, k:9, WHIP and ERA.

[awy]

xFIP!!

i just didn't take a close look at the stats, that's all.

[kan_t]

AL

CC: 15-5, 174.2 IP, 3.14 ERA, 134 SO, 1.248 WHIP

Buchholz: 13-5, 126.1 IP, 2.49 ERA, 86 SO, 1.203 WHIP

Lester: 13-7, 161 IP, 2.80 ERA, 165 SO, 1.130 WHIP

Lee: 10-5, 161.1 IP, 2.57 ERA, 137 SO, 0.930 WHIP

Price:15-5, 145.2 IP, 2.84 ERA, 133 SO, 1.243 WHIP

Weaver: 11-7, 163 IP, 2.87 ERA, 182 SO, 1.080 WHIP

Pavano: 15-7, 168 IP, 3.27 ERA, 97 SO, 1.107 WHIP

Cahill: 12-5, 140.2, 2.50 ERA, 81 SO, 0.981 WHIP



NL

Halladay: 15-8, 193 IP, 2.24 ERA, 175 SO, 1.010 WHIP

Johnson: 10-5, 158.2 IP, 2.27 ERA, 156 SO, 1.065 WHIP

Wainwright: 17-6, 176.1 IP, 1.99 ERA, 158 SO, 0.970 WHIP

Jimenez: 17-3, 155.1 IP, 2.55 ERA, 143 SO, 1.107 WHIP

Hudson: 14-5, 164.2 IP, 2.13 ERA, 89 SO, 1.075 WHIP

[ace]

I'd be shocked if Lee doesn't win it

[pleasepassthesoup]

It annoys me beyond belief that Carl Pavano is deservedly on that list.

[blumj]

I'd be shocked if Lee doesn't win it

Really? To me, it seems close enough and a little too early for shocked, yet.

[BronxYanks45]

as much as I want CC to get it, its really a contest between Lee and Price in the AL

[yankeefan122]

as much as I want CC to get it, its really a contest between Lee and Price in the AL

Agreed.

The NL is close between those 5 guys. It's gonna come down to the wire.

At the moment I'd say Wainwright has the edge, but it's hard to argue against Halladay or Hudson either. I think Johnson and Jimenez are behind, but just a month ago they looked like the clear cut favorites. So things can change.

[ace]

Really? To me, it seems close enough and a little too early for shocked, yet.

A quick glance at the numbers above tell me that Lee is killin' it this year.

[CanoForPresident]

A quick glance at the numbers above tell me that Lee is killin' it this year.

More wins than walks...

Thats amazing.

[BroadwayBomber55]

I also think it's between Cliff Lee and David Price in the AL.

As for the NL, I think it's between Adam Wainwright, Ubaldo Jimenez and Roy Halladay.

[flymick24]

just looked at his stats, but i was pretty amazed at the year jered weaver is putting together... it's a shame that he's getting 0 run support