2010 Brett Gardner Performance Thread

[GordonGecko]

I completely disagree.....Johnson takes alot of pitches and his OBP is higher than Gardner. I'm stoked with what Gardner has done already, but he should not take Johnson's spot in the lineup.

I didn't say I thought Gardner should bat 2nd because I don't, I said Johnson should bat 9th because I think he's useless

[Hellsing]

I didn't say I thought Gardner should bat 2nd because I don't, I said Johnson should bat 9th because I think he's useless

BLASPHEMY!

He's the perfect target for jokes and slander.

[grizy]

Brett Gardner actually has higher OBP than Nick Johnson. I know, hard to believe.

[THEBOSS84]

Brett Gardner actually has higher OBP than Nick Johnson. I know, hard to believe.

Gardner has hits AND walks...

[flymick24]

i'd like nothing more than for gardner to shave his head again and have a bald-head rubbing contest with nick johnson

[THEBOSS84]

i'd like nothing more than for gardner to shave his head again and have a bald-head rubbing contest with nick johnson

He did shave his head recently. I saw his postgame after Saturday's game.

[grizy]

Gardner has hits AND walks...

He has BBs and HBPs, but he never walks.

[flymick24]

He did shave his head recently. I saw his postgame after Saturday's game.

*gets lube ready*

[THEBOSS84]

He has BBs and HBPs, but he never walks.

My brain just died.

[delv]

^yeah, mine did too, but then I realized he was telling a [bad] joke

[grizy]

Fine. Gardner gets on base with BBs, HBPs, and hits but he never walks there.

Watch him. He really does get there fast even when there is no reason to hurry.

[flymick24]

i think him getting rid of his hair has given him a slight speed advantage... but if he's willing, he could take it to the next level

if he were to get rid of his eyebrows and maybe even his pubes, i think we might actually be talking about ichiro-type ability here, fellas

[Yankee Tripper]

He has BBs and HBPs, but he never walks.

My brain just died.

I got it Grizzy. Just like Pete Rose.

[THEBOSS84]

i think him getting rid of his hair has given him a slight speed advantage... but if he's willing, he could take it to the next level

if he were to get rid of his eyebrows and maybe even his pubes, i think we might actually be talking about ichiro-type ability here, fellas

I was thinking the same thing!

[flymick24]

you are so romantic

[False1]

I didn't say I thought Gardner should bat 2nd because I don't, I said Johnson should bat 9th because I think he's useless

I'd love to hear you explain this one.

[JSG]

I'd love to hear you explain this one.

i have no idea, but from headbanging discussions with an anti-nick friend of mine, it may be ......

-- OBP is for pussies, real men go for SLG
-- frustration at nick's slump, in particular the slew of recent non-swinging Ks
-- nostalgia for damon and matsui, each of whom nick replaced in part, and
-- nick's production when not on the DL is a mirage as he'll wind up there soon

needless to say, none of these survive in the cool light of day, but those are the only threads of quasi-coherence i can muster.

[ThePinStripes]

I didn't say I thought Gardner should bat 2nd because I don't, I said Johnson should bat 9th because I think he's useless

lol what?

[MLB007]

So instead, they sign Nick "The Iron Horse" Johnson?

Are you new to the Yankees? They signed Johnson AFTER Matsui signed.

[MLB007]

bada bing. bada boom.

Not like they'll hear it anyway.

[teknetic]

I'd love to hear you explain this one.

I'd rather he not. My brain can't handle all the dumb.

[grizy]

Gardner stunk up the joint so I'll keep it short today.

After going 0-3, Gardner's OBP went down to a much more pedestrian .410.

103OPS+
132WRC+

[Don Wrigley]

Gardner stunk up the joint so I'll keep it short today.

After going 0-3, Gardner's OBP went down to a much more pedestrian .410.

103OPS+
132WRC+

Serious Question: does wRC take into account stolen bases and/or defense? You would think that a stat that takes those two things into account would be much better for evaluating Gardner, since he could obviously have a low SLG but many of his singles turn into doubles (and as such, his wRC would generally be higher than his OPS)

[OldYankeeFan]

Serious Question: does wRC take into account stolen bases and/or defense?

wRC+ takes into account Stolen bases and CS and is much better to measure offensive production and compare offensive players with different skill sets than OPS+. It is an offensive stat so no, itdoesn't take defense into consideration.

[grizy]

WRC doesn't touch defense but it accounts for SBs and CSs.

I still think it undervalues Gardner because he's so extreme. His mere presence probably makes the life of whoever is in the box easier (read free balls and distracted pitchers). That and extreme type players have a tendency to be true outliers who aren't just (un)lucky.

All OFs with a minimum of 30PAs ranked by wOBA (that's the equivalent of OPS in OPS+)

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...n=2010&month=0

Gardner, for now, ranks 28 out of 102.

[LazyEyeLou]

WRC doesn't touch defense but it accounts for SBs and CSs.

I still think it undervalues Gardner because he's so extreme. His mere presence probably makes the life of whoever is in the box easier (read free balls and distracted pitchers). That and extreme type players have a tendency to be true outliers who aren't just (un)lucky.

All OFs with a minimum of 30PAs ranked by wOBA (that's the equivalent of OPS in OPS+)

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...n=2010&month=0

Gardner, for now, ranks 28 out of 102.

And look at Grandy in 13th.

I have to keep telling myself that even though wOBA is on a similar scale to OBP, it's only partially related. I keep having thoughts like "how can Gardner's wOBA possibly be .371 when his OBP is .410???"

[parkerstrong]

WRC doesn't touch defense but it accounts for SBs and CSs.

I still think it undervalues Gardner because he's so extreme. His mere presence probably makes the life of whoever is in the box easier (read free balls and distracted pitchers). That and extreme type players have a tendency to be true outliers who aren't just (un)lucky.

All OFs with a minimum of 30PAs ranked by wOBA (that's the equivalent of OPS in OPS+)

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...n=2010&month=0

Gardner, for now, ranks 28 out of 102.

Will be interesting to see how this season goes but so far Austin Jackson is 24th and Granderson is 13th. If they are that close when the season ends, it would seem to me that Detriot got the better end of that deal.

I've really liked what Gardner has done this year so far....working the count, stealing bases and causing havoc. I doubt he finishes with an OBP over .400, but would be really happy if his OBP is above .370 when the season ends

[LazyEyeLou]

Will be interesting to see how this season goes but so far Austin Jackson is 24th and Granderson is 13th. If they are that close when the season ends, it would seem to me that Detriot got the better end of that deal.

Yeah but look at the strikeout rate. Grandy is at 18%, while A-Jax is at 34%. One thing we definitely don't need in our lineup is a guy who makes the most unproductive out possible a third of the time.

But good for Jackson for getting off to a nice start. He's playing a nice CF too, if you believe the early UZR totals.

[Yankee Tripper]

That was a nice sac bunt he put down. Almost beat it out too.

[parkerstrong]

Yeah but look at the strikeout rate. Grandy is at 18%, while A-Jax is at 34%. One thing we definitely don't need in our lineup is a guy who makes the most unproductive out possible a third of the time.

But good for Jackson for getting off to a nice start. He's playing a nice CF too, if you believe the early UZR totals.

While Granderson did strikeout alot last year (141) and its early for Jackson this year I believe we made the right choice. I highly doubt Jackson will be that high when the season ends

[JSG]

brett's a solid baserunner, but i'd like to see him add this to his repertoire ........

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big...urn=mlb,235668

[grizy]

brett's a solid baserunner, but i'd like to see him add this to his repertoire ........

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big...urn=mlb,235668

That was... amazing.

[GordonGecko]

Here you go...



Is it a legal play or not to jump over the catcher?

[Axon]

Uh, I believe Willie Mays Hayes jumped over the catcher in Major League or Major League 2. Jeeeeeez.

[DEADSOX]

brett's a solid baserunner, but i'd like to see him add this to his repertoire ........

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big...urn=mlb,235668

Uh oh, Fordham, Kay won't shut up for a week about this.

[roblyo33]

If The Mick were alive today, he may have a comment, similar to his assessment of Wade Boggs hitting style, regarding GGBG. I agree that once he gets on base, he is fun to watch but, watching him attempt to hit ML pitching is not fun.

[grizy]

He was only safe because the catcher chickened out and ducked.

[89FoxBody]

Reminds me of what Swisher did last year, came out of his slide and somersaulted over the 2nd baseman and onto the bag.

[JSG]

Reminds me of what Swisher did last year, came out of his slide and somersaulted over the 2nd baseman and onto the bag.

........... he also did this in RF a few times ........ ..........

[delv]

Brett the Gritman Gardner with the clutch 2-out RBI.

[JSG]

Brett the Gritman Gardner with the clutch 2-out RBI.

H-U-G-E. what a superb start for gardner. BIG hit.

[OldYankeeFan]

H-U-G-E. what a superb start for gardner. BIG hit.

Totally took that 3-1 pitch and then getting the big hit on the 3-2 count. Well done. On base 3/4, another good night.

[grizy]

Dude from Texas might be more right than we thought.

[THEBOSS84]

.333/.442/.333

[parkerstrong]

Really impressed-he looks comfortable at the plate.

Makes you wonder why pitchers ever walk him because of his speed and because he doesn't have any extra base hits yet. As the season progresses I would expect pitchers to start challenging him more often.

[themgmt]

.333/.442/.333

.119/.245/.143

[stazsanity]

probably going to sit against the (nasty) lefty Braden today, but hell of a game last night for Gardy

[delv]

Really impressed-he looks comfortable at the plate.

Makes you wonder why pitchers ever walk him because of his speed and because he doesn't have any extra base hits yet. As the season progresses I would expect pitchers to start challenging him more often.

This is where the "major league pitchers won't walk him argument" fails. It presumes that all major league pitchers can throw a strike whenever they want to.

[JavyVazquezIsSick]

.119/.245/.143

Only took the Yankees 4 years to realize he shouldn't be out there anymore.

Thank God we have Brett now.

[OldYankeeFan]

This is where the "major league pitchers won't walk him argument" fails. It presumes that all major league pitchers can throw a strike whenever they want to.

I agree. His Zone % (ratio of pitches inside the strike zone) of 51% is right about his career avg, so I don't see a lot changing there. And Brett is looking more comfortable taking and then hitting with two strikes, his last AB being a good example. He takes a 3-1 pitch for strike two before lining a hit to LF. He keeps doing that and he's going to get his share of BBs.