Does anyone know where to find Gardner's SB as a pinch runner last year?
Does anyone know where to find Gardner's SB as a pinch runner last year?
without scrolling through his game logs in baseball reference I'm not sure. Just eyeballing those though looks like he was 4-4 on SB attempts as a PR.Originally Posted by DaSh 1s
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i think the extra hair on his head has slowed him down a step
I bet with his speed, he tops the slugging portion. I say it would be something along the lines of .280/.360/.425. Pushing towards an 800 OPS.
That would be a .145 iso, which is almost MLB average. I doubt gardner ever has a .145 iso in his career. He'll probably never be more than a .125 iso guy at best.
With his speed, he's going to turn a lot of hits into the gaps into doubles and triples, given the opportunity.
he's more likey to turn IF outs into IF 1Bs with his speed. The tweeners you are taking about where he might be able to stretch a 1B into a 2B where another runner (not named Posda) would not be able to stretch it into a 2B also will be a pretty small number of his overall ABs.
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Ok. He had speed his entire MILB career and never posted an iso that high.
NYS is also horrible for doubles and triples. Gardner is not going to be posting a .145 iso anytime soon unless he gets very lucky.
if he has an OBP of anything above .340, he could easily steal 40 bags.
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If he gets on base at a .340 clip, he'll probably be a full time starter. That means getting on base ~200 times. With his low slugging and outstanding speed, I bet you'd see a heck of a lot more than 40 SBs. Especially if he's hitting 9th with Jeter/Johnson coming up behind him.
i think he has a .345 OBP in him. he has good plate discipline and if he can bunt his way on once a week, he'll open up gaps for slap hits.
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Great article from RAB -
http://riveraveblues.com/2010/03/bre...-injury-25731/
I can't believe from May 1st through his thumb injury nearly 3 months later, he put up a line of .298/.393/.454 in 166 PA.
I'm really excited for Brett this year.
Calmer than you are.
He was definitely slapping. His batting form was different even to the naked eye.
May: .327/.417/.538/.955 7BB/6SO
June: .333/.439/.479/.918 9BB/4SO
It did get shot down as a fluke (which it probably is because he's not gonna be a .900 OPS type guy) but the ability to produce is there.
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exactly what I've been saying for over a year... for those who the mandate is to have an all-star at every position, Brett will never be good enough...but he's beyond capable of being a productive big league player who plays an above average LF/CF, and an average offensive player that at the very least add a dimension to the team with his speed.
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I NEED a Gardner t-shirt. But I don't wanna pay 35 bucks for it.
"First batter up well here's the pitch: it's a curve. Second batter up because the first got served"
Not to mention at < 500K he is a cost controlled bargain that lets us spend the millions it would cost to get slightly better offensive production on other needs.
#27and still Counting.
Actually, that article is disconcerting. They mention Crisp who broke his finger and never hit the same again.
"First batter up well here's the pitch: it's a curve. Second batter up because the first got served"
The gardner tees are now available in the mlb.com store. Victory is mine.
(Nick Johnson not yet available.)
"First batter up well here's the pitch: it's a curve. Second batter up because the first got served"
Yeah, you have to go the customized route for NJ's shirts.
Calmer than you are.
but it'll proably tear a sleeve tendon and then have to go on the DL.. not a good buy, if you ask me
I was at a Yankee store downtown today and some lady came in asking for a NJ t-shirt to buy her son. The guy who works there is like "Oh, we don't have that," and proceeds to say that he's a backup first baseman and won't get any playing time and that she should buy her son a Tex t-shirt instead, or a Swisher shirt. She asked if they could order an NJ one for her and he thought that was dumb. Ultimately, I went over and let 'em know that I, too, would buy an NJ t-shirt if they had 'em, just so he knew (he had said she was the first person to ask for an NJ shirt). I went on to indicate that NJ was the DH, would have 20 HR, and a 400 OBP percentage, but the guy was like "We'll see about that..."
Lame-wad.
"First batter up well here's the pitch: it's a curve. Second batter up because the first got served"
When you mentioned OBP to the salesman you may as well have been speaking Greek to the man in the moon.
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kevin long too:
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/yanke...P6PgjDlcoUWoDJ
lol @ the comments under that article
"First batter up well here's the pitch: it's a curve. Second batter up because the first got served"
oh boy, caveat = read comments for comedy, not content !!!!!!! cheers
Brett Gardner (Kevin Long's prediction)“I think this is a kid you just throw in there every day, pencil him in the lineup, hit him down ninth and see at the end of the year if he’s at .270, .280, if he doesn’t steal 65-70 bases, if he doesn’t score 100 runs hitting in the nine-hole.”
And does Long think Gardner can do all that?
“Yes. I do,” said the hitting coach. “I think if you put Brett Gardner on the free market right now and said, ‘Anybody want him?’ I think every team in baseball would want him and probably have him leading off for you. That’s how good he is.”
AVG ... .270-.280,
SB .......65-70
Runs..... >100
Let the flaming begin.
I'm just glad we kept him and are giving him this opportunity. We could end up with a really good player that's far more than a 4th OFer.
#27and still Counting.
Haha, I guess the flaming had already begun.
#27and still Counting.
Jacoby Ellsburry went in the second round of both of my fantasy drafts. I have drafted Brett in the last few rounds both times. I really think they will have comprable seasons this year. JE might have a slightly better season, but I don't think it will be by that much, and certainly not by enough to justify the second round pick.
Phil Hughes is... ???
Jacoby Ellsbury might have a slightly better fantasy season because he'll get more play time and play at Fenway but Gardner will have a better season overall once you add defense to the equation IMO.
That's super optimistic... but it does echo a lot of what people been saying around here.
I'll go on record saying that if he is given a full season those numbers are doable. With the top of the lineup coming up behind him and his ability to get into scoring position and take an extra base, he'd get driven in quite often if he can sustain the ~.270 BA from last season (and more importantly, get the OBP >.350).
I do think the Lofton comp is way over the top though if we're talking about Lofton at his peak. I don't expect any 144 OPS+ seasons from Gardner.
#9 hitters rarely get enough AB to score 100 runs or steal 50 bases. IMO Gardner won't be an exception this year.
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I have the highest regard for Long, so I look forward to being completely wrong about Gardner.
True, but most #9 hitters also rarely have 4 guys that will probably put up ~.400 OBP each coming up behind them either - two of those being some of the best power hitters in baseball.
100 runs is not likely, but if he can get on base and use his legs the guys behind him are going to drive him in a whole bunch.
If gardner really puts up those lines he'll start batting No. 1 when either Jeter or NJ is resting.
Even when nobody is resting he'd bat ahead of Granderson (vs. lefties), Winn, and Cervelli.
I don't think it's gonna happen. But if Gardy gets .280BA, we're talking about .350~.370OBP and 0.430~0.450SLG (he'll leg out doubles, inflating SLG), and 40~70SBs (depending on playtime.) With plus (probably elite) defense, Gardner would easily be one of the top 5 CFs in the game, just behind the likes of Matt Kemp, Torii Hunter, and Grady Sizemore.
Even if he falls a little short of that, at under 500k a year, Brett Gardner is easily one of the most valuable members on the team.
Yeah. I was really surprised they kept Brett and traded Melky.
Calmer than you are.
they got javy the week after nick, so damon was still floating out there. maybe it was as simple as the braves wanting melky over brett -- i don't remember the braves being one of the clubs that had tried to acquire brett. my feeling at the time was, cashman is reading the damon market correctly, and as Plan A believes he'll eventually come back to NY, in which case brett fits the bill as the 4th OFer MUCH better than melky. and i think girardi and cashman liked him well enough to start him as Plan B in case damon fell thru. and with the difference in price (an eventual $3.4MM vs circa $500K), it probably wasn't too hard to convince hal !!
I don't think Gardner will do anywhere near the "if's" you mentioned. With his defense and speed he may be able to reach league average in CF.
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He was within reach of league average regardless of position last season. I'm confident he'll be better than league average for CF and for a #9 hitter - particularly if you consider defense/baserunning.
Edit - FWIW, here are the '09 AL splits...
CF - .265 / .329 / .403
#9 - .245 / .305 / ..349
Gardner already hits for more power than Lofton did at the same age. Not trying to say the comparison was justified... Jus sayin'.
"First batter up well here's the pitch: it's a curve. Second batter up because the first got served"
.270/.345/.379
We are such a spoiled fanbase.
"First batter up well here's the pitch: it's a curve. Second batter up because the first got served"
And? You think Gardner will slug .536 by the time he's 27?
I'm in the give-Gardner-a-shot camp, but Lofton at his peak is not a good comp. If he could put up a 144 OPS+ with his speed and defense he'd be MVP material. I don't see it, regardless of what they'd each done by age 25 in their careers.
holy crap man, reread my earlier post. and then off yourself.
edit: also, concerning Lofton, his age 27 season featured a slugging figure .80 points higher than his second best, so let's not color Lofton a slugger. Lofton's career slugging is more in the vein of Melky 09.
"First batter up well here's the pitch: it's a curve. Second batter up because the first got served"
What earlier post, and off myself? Damn - that's a bit much, particularly with someone who agrees with you on the player and just not the comp. And let's be honest, compared to Gardner, Lofton and Cabrera are sluggers. Unless Gardner starts driving shots into the gaps routinely he'll be lucky to ever sniff Melky '09 slugging let alone Lofton '94 slugging.
The luxury is that with the team he's on, with his defense and baserunning he doesn't need to.
I agree with you in general, just don't think Gardner will ever see year's like Lofton's best years. Why so serious?
I'm saying that if you look at my prior post, I agreed that the comp was inappropriate, and I also said that my citing that bit about slugging at that age was not meant to convey that Gardner would OPS+ 144, but you proceeded to respond as if I had said just the opposite. In any case, I don't really wish for your death.my bad
"First batter up well here's the pitch: it's a curve. Second batter up because the first got served"
It appears I misinterpreted your post. I guess I'm not real clear what the point was then, but it's probably moot. No worries - I'm not real sensitive about that type of stuff, actually laughed at how strong the response was. Methinks you might be a little sensitive when it comes to discussion on this player? Now back to our regularly scheduled roles of being objective participants in the Gardner Stinks debate.
I'm saying that if you look at my prior post, I agreed that the comp was inappropriate, and I also said that my citing that bit about slugging at that age was not meant to convey that Gardner would OPS+ 144, but you proceeded to respond as if I had said just the opposite. In any case, I don't really wish for your death.
False and Delv, you guys should off one another. Get rid of the sexual tension.
Calmer than you are.
Only on NYYFans can two people who agree in principle get into an argument that prompts suggestions of self-euthanasia.
And don't try and get me into your circle. I told you before False don't play that... NTTAWWT.
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