Top 211 prospects for 2010

[Yanks26Sox7]

Started with a top 10...went to 50...then 100, and so forth. Got all the way up to 200 before any of the experts released.
The last 11 were names i left off my list...but added them to the end for contrast/comparison purposes. The reason is that my rankings don't mean much...it's the expert rankings that do. My goal was to build a scoutingbook-like comparison of prospect rankings, and to test myself. My opinion/list is just the base.

Anyways, i'm going to paste it here from my site...where it was built. (one post of an entire thread. not sure if it's cool to link it all, so just a paste job for now. hopefully it transfers decently.)
But please lmk what you think. Would definitely appreciate any feedback/critique from fellow Yankee fans.



The first 4 lists are out, so more comparisons.

FP-# will stand for Frankie Piliere's Top 100 list on Fanhouse. JS-# (H or P) will stand for John Sickel's (minorleagueball.com) Top 50 Hitter and Top 50 Pitcher lists. MB-# will stand for Jonathon Mayo's (mlb.com, milb.com, & mlb network) Top 50 list, with 10 bonus players. KL-# will stand for Keith Law's Top 100 list on ESPN.



1. Stephen Strasburg, WAS (FP-1) (JS-1P) (MB-2) (KL-2)
2. Jason Heyward, ATL (FP-4) (JS-1H) (MB-1) (KL-1)
3. Jesus Montero, NYY (FP-5) (JS-2H) (MB-19) (KL-10)
4. Mike Stanton, FLA (FP-2) (JS-7H) (MB-3) (KL-5)
5. Aroldis Chapman, CIN (FP-36) (JS-6P) (KL-16)
6. Desmond Jennings, TB (FP-3) (JS-4H) (MB-6) (KL-6)
7. Brian Matusz, BAL (FP-8) (JS-3P) (MB-5) (KL-11)
8. Buster Posey, SF (FP-7) (JS-3H) (MB-4) (KL-4)
9. Neftali Feliz, TX (FP-6) (JS-2P) (MB-7) (KL-13)
10. Pedro Alvarez, PIT (FP-13) (JS-6H) (MB-8) (KL-35)
11. Justin Smoak, TX (FP-22) (JS-9H) (MB-9) (KL-9)
12. Dominic Brown, PHI (FP-19) (JS-11H) (MB-14) (KL-14)
13. Carlos Santana, CLE (FP-16) (JS-5H) (MB-11) (KL-3)
14. Madison Bumgarner, SF (FP-14) (JS-8P) (MB-10) (KL-28)
15. Jeremy Hellickson, TB (FP-10) (JS-4P) (MB-20) (KL-17)
16. Aaron Hicks, MIN (FP-40) (JS-21H) (MB-29) (KL-19)
17. Dustin Ackley, SEA (FP-18) (JS-10H) (MB-15) (KL-8)
18. Martin Perez, TX (FP-9) (JS-7P) (MB-18) (KL-7)
19. Casey Kelly, BOS (FP-24) (JS-22P) (MB-28) (KL-18)
20. Alcides Escobar, MIL (FP-20) (JS-16H) (MB-12) (KL-54)
21. Logan Morrison, FLA (FP-51) (JS-13H) (MB-25) (KL-21)
22. Wade Davis, TB (FP-17) (JS-5P) (MB-13) (KL-15)
23. Kyle Drabek, TOR (FP-15) (JS-18P) (MB-17) (KL-40)
24. Christian Friedrich, COL (FP-12) (JS-9P) (MB-23) (KL-36)
25. Ryan Westmoreland, BOS (FP-39) (JS-20H) (MB-27) (KL-32)
26. Chris Carter, OAK (FP-26) (JS-8H) (MB-37) (KL-33)
27. Brett Wallace, TOR (FP-28) (JS-26H) (MB-16) (KL-20)
28. Mike Montgomery, KC (FP-34) (JS-16P) (MB-43) (KL-75)
29. Yonder Alonso, CIN (FP-57) (JS-30H) (MB-30) (KL-76)
30. Michael Taylor, OAK (FP-38) (JS-12H) (MB-35) (KL-24)
31. Freddie Freeman, ATL (FP-49) (JS-23H) (MB-59) (KL-67)
32. Starlin Castro, CHI (FP-11) (JS-18H) (MB-22) (KL-12)
33. Jarrod Parker, AZ (FP-21) (MB-21) (KL-37)
34. Aaron Crow, KC (FP-54) (JS-42P) (MB-41) (KL-87)
35. Josh Vitters, CHI (FP-53) (JS-34H) (KL-30)
36. Ben Revere, MIN (FP-80)
37. Jenrry Mejia, NYM (FP-23) (JS-13P) (MB-52) (KL-23)
38. Donovan Tate, SD (FP-37) (JS-27H)
39. Tyler Matzek, COL (FP-94) (JS-20P) (MB-51) (KL-22)
40. Arodys Vizcaino, ATL (JS-35P) (KL-43)
41. Jake Arrieta, BAL (FP-48) (JS-25P) (KL-90)
42. Brett Lawrie, MIL (FP-87) (JS-14H) (MB-26) (KL-47)
43. Jacob Turner, DET (FP-90) (JS-19P) (MB-42) (KL-80)
44. Tim Beckham, TB (FP-77) (MB-24) (KL-29)
45. Austin Jackson, DET (FP-25) (JS-37H) (MB-38) (KL-70)
46. Zach Wheeler, SF (JS-46P) (KL-84)
47. Mike Moustakas, KC (FP-71) (MB-32) (KL-69)
48. Phillipe Aumont, PHI (FP-29) (MB-47)
49. Michael Saunders, SEA (FP-30) (JS-36H) (KL-74)
50. Michael Ynoa, OAK
51. Fernando Martinez, NYM (FP-33) (JS-15H) (KL-73)
52. Matt Moore, TB (JS-14P) (KL-81)
53. Jhoulys Chacin, COL (FP-89) (JS-23P) (MB-44) (KL-48)
54. Derek Norris, WAS (FP-35) (JS-22H) (MB-60) (KL-31)
55. Mat Gamel, MIL (FP-84)
56. Ryan Kalish, BOS (FP-95) (JS-39H) (KL-86)
57. Josh Bell, BAL (FP-42) (JS-38H) (KL-61)
58. Grant Green, OAK (FP-64) (JS-17H) (KL-93)
59. Kyle Gibson, MIN (KL-89)
60. Todd Frazier, CIN (FP-56) (JS-29H) (KL-66)
61. Julio Teheran, ATL (FP-74) (JS-28P) (MB-34) (KL-63)
62. Reid Brignac, TB
63. Zach Britton, BAL (FP-55) (JS-29P) (KL-25)
64. Tanner Scheppers, TX (FP-31) (JS-11P) (MB-39) (KL-78)
65. Josh Reddick, BOS (JS-40H)
66. Chad James, FLA (JS-48P)
67. Thomas Neal, SF (FP-62)
68. Jason Castro, HOU (FP-27) (JS-31H) (MB-31) (KL-65)
69. Jared Mitchell, CWS (FP-91) (JS-44H) (KL-95)
70. Eric Hosmer, KC (KL-34)
71. Dan Hudson, CWS (FP-32) (JS-24P)
72. Matt Dominguez, FLA (JS-33H) (KL-62)
73. Shelby Miller, STL (FP-59) (JS-47P) (KL-38)
74. Lonnie Chisenhall, CLE (FP-68) (JS-25H) (MB-55) (KL-26)
75. Wilson Ramos, MIN (FP-66) (KL-42)
76. Tyler Flowers, CWS (FP-67) (KL-58)
77. Zach Stewart, TOR (FP-60) (JS-17P) (KL-55)
78. Austin Romine, NYY (FP-45)
79. Casey Crosby, DET (FP-82) (JS-10P) (MB-54) (KL-45)
80. Jose Tabata, PIT (FP-69) (JS-42H) (KL-57)
81. Alex White, CLE (JS-31P)
82. Mike Leake, CIN (FP-61) (JS-38P) (MB-53) (KL-72)
83. Tony Sanchez, PIT (FP-75) (KL-82)
84. Carlos Triunfel, SEA (FP-73) (KL-44)
85. Drew Storen, WAS (FP-79) (JS-15P) (MB-40) (KL-92)
86. Mike Trout, LAA (FP-52) (JS-28H) (MB-57) (KL-49)
87. Tim Melville, KC (JS-44P)
88. Dee Gordon, LAD (FP-44) (JS-19H) (MB-36) (KL-39)
89. Jordan Lyles, HOU (FP-99) (JS-21P) (KL-60)
90. Hank Conger, LAA (FP-88) (JS-32H) (KL-52)
91. Travis D'Arnaud, TOR (KL-99)
92. Brett Jackson, CHI (FP-72)
93. Wilmer Flores, NYM (JS-24H) (KL-41)
94. Manny Banuelos, NYY (FP-41) (KL-96)
95. Grant Desme, OAK (JS-47H)
96. Gabriel Noriega, SEA
97. Alex Avila, DET (JS-48H)
98. Simon Castro, SD (JS-26P) (KL-46)
99. Eric Arnett, MIL
100. Wilmer Font, TX (JS-27P)
101. Tim Alderson, PIT
102. Lars Anderson, BOS (FP-65) (KL-56)
103. Wilin Rosario, COL
104. Mike Minor, ATL (FP-43) (MB-58)
105. Bobby Borchering, AZ
106. Ike Davis, NYM (FP-58) (JS-35H) (KL-64)
107. Trevor Reckling, LAA (FP-98) (JS-50P) (KL-77)
108. Andrew Cashner, CHI (JS-37P) (KL-79)
109. Max Stassi, OAK
110. Wil Myers, KC (FP-97) (MB-33)
111. Chris Heisey, CIN (KL-88)
112. Randall Delgado, ATL (JS-45P) (KL-85)
113. Chris Withrow, LAD (FP-100) (JS-12P) (KL-83)
114. JP Arencibia, TOR
115. Miguel Sano, MIN (KL-97)
116. Alex Colome, TB (JS-34P)
117. Rex Brothers, COL
118. Max Ramirez, TX
119. Trevor May, PHI
120. Scott Sizemore, DET
121. Ryan Tucker, FLA
122. Slade Heathcott, NYY
123. Jason Knapp, CLE
124. James Darnell, SD (JS-43H)
125. Anthony Gose, PHI (FP-46)
136. Michael Bowden, BOS (JS-40P)
127. Zach McAllister, NYY (FP-76)
128. Greg Halman, SEA
129. Brandon Allen, AZ
130. Noel Arguelles, KC
131. Jordan Walden, LAA
132. Ethan Martin, LAD (JS-30P) (MB-49)
133. Danny Duffy, KC
134. Nick Hagadone, CLE (FP-93) (MB-56) (KL-100)
135. Brandon Erbe, BAL (JS-41P)
136. Tyson Gillies, PHI (FP-50)
137. Jay Jackson, CHI (JS-36P) (KL-50)
138. Scott Elbert, LAD
139. Gaby Sanchez, FLA
140. Gary Sanchez, NYY
141. Eric Young Jr, COL
142. Jemile Weeks, OAK
143. Jaff Decker, SD (JS-45H) (MB-50) (KL-27)
144. Jiovanni Mier, HOU (JS-46H) (KL-94)
145. Brad Holt, NYM
146. Chad Jenkins, TOR
147. Daniel Schlereth, DET (FP-78)
148. Danny Espinosa, WAS
149. Reese Havens, NYM
150. Alex Liddi, SEA
151. Matt Hobgood, BAL
152. Mark Melancon, NYY
153. Reymond Fuentes, BOS
154. Jordan Danks, CWS
155. Dayan Viciedo, CWS
156. Aaron Miller, LAD (JS-39P)
157. Craig Kimbrel, ATL (FP-81) (JS-49P)
158. Michael Main, TX
159. Peter Bourjos, LAA (FP-85)
160. Adrian Cardenas, OAK
161. Kentrail Davis, MIL
162. Daryl Jones, STL (KL-59)
163. Chris Marrero, WAS (FP-63)
164. Anthony Rizzo, BOS (KL-53)
165. Everett Williams, SD (JS-49H)
166. Chris Carpenter, CHI
167. Hector Gomez, COL
168. JC Ramirez, PHI
169. Jose Iglesias, BOS (MB-45) (KL-91)
170. Hector Rondon, CLE (JS-32P) (KL-51)
171. Lance Lynn, STL
172. Tyson Ross, OAK
173. AJ Pollock, AZ (FP-92)
174. David Cooper, TOR
175. Fabio Martinez, LAA
176. Esmil Rogers, COL
177. Nick Franklin, SEA
178. Alex Torres, TB
179. Brent Morel, CWS
180. Zach Von Rosenberg, PIT
181. Lou Marson, CLE
182. Carlos Carrasco, CLE
183. Joshua Fields, SEA
184. Junichi Tazawa, BOS (KL-98)
185. Casey Weathers, COL
186. Andrew Lambo, LAD
187. Antonio Bastardo, PHI
188. Adam Moore, SEA
189. Blake Beavan, TX
190. Aaron Poreda, SD
191. Jon Niese, NYM (JS-33P)
192. Jaime Garcia, STL
193. Jonathan Lucroy, MIL
194. Jake McGee, TB
195. Michael Burgess, WAS
196. Brad Lincoln, PIT
197. Bryan Anderson, STL
198. Nick Weglarz, CLE
199. Josh Thole, NYM
200. Andrew Brackman, NYY
201. Andy Oliver, DET (FP-47)
202. David Bromberg, MIN (FP-70)
203. Zeke Spruill, ATL (FP-83)
204. Jhan Marinez, FLA (FP-86)
205. Jurickson Profar, TX (FP-96)
206. Hak-Ju Lee, CHI (JS-41H)
207. Michael Brantley, CLE (JS-50H) (MB-46) (KL-71)
208. Wynn Pelzer, SD (JS-43P)
209. Kasey Kiker, TX
210. Juan Francisco, CIN (MB-48)
211. Matt Sweeney, TB (KL-68)



Not sure when the next list will come out.
Waiting on Baseball America, Baseball Prospectus, & Sporting News.




Btw...haven't been around here in quite some time. But if my user name could be changed to Yanks27Sox7 it would be greatly appreciated.

[Yanks26Sox7]

fwiw, I'm Yanks27Sox7 on twitter...

http://www.cappingthegame.com/forum/...&postcount=133

^^ that's the link to 1 post of the thread where i built this list, prior to any of the experts releasing their lists.

(if that's not cool to do, please remove the link. i don't mean to break any rules here. just looking for prospect feedback.)

lastly...any chance my avatar could be changed to this? thanks.

[Philip Hughes Fan]

Who is that?

[Yanks26Sox7]

Who is that?

my ex-wife

and this is my next wife

[yankee82093]

Casey Kelly at 19 and Alrodis at 5 seem like poor choices. It's a decent list though. And Gary Sanchez should not be so high.

[Yanks26Sox7]

Casey Kelly at 19 and Alrodis at 5 seem like poor choices. It's a decent list though. And Gary Sanchez should not be so high.

you're prolly right.
i'm always guilty of focusing on upside. because so few prospects actually materialize into a good to great major leaguer...i typically overvalue potential, and undervalue experience.
seen too many decent prospects become nothing more than AAAA players, if that. so i'm always looking at tools/etc, and ceilings.

[yankee82093]

you're prolly right.
i'm always guilty of focusing on upside. because so few prospects actually materialize into a good to great major leaguer...i typically overvalue potential, and undervalue experience.
seen too many decent prospects become nothing more than AAAA players, if that. so i'm always looking at tools/etc, and ceilings.

Ok. Then why is Kelly so high? According to your criteria, he shouldn't be because he lacks high-caliber stuff

[Yanks26Sox7]

Ok. Then why is Kelly so high? According to your criteria, he shouldn't be because he lacks high-caliber stuff

disagree on a couple fronts, in terms of kelly. but thx for the discussion.

1) that's not my only criteria...just a big factor w/ me personally. chapman's a perfect example, because we have very little to go with to date.
2) "high caliber stuff" is subjective. does he throw high 90s? no. does he have 3 plus pitches, with very good sink on his low 90s fastball? yes. are 3 plus pitches common in a prospect so young? no.

he killed it in the SAL. his K to BB ratio was outstanding. he finally commited to just pitching. every scouting report i read talks about his advanced feel for pitching, and how quickly he'll move up thru the bosux system. and his ceiling is a #2 SP.

all these rankings...by me, or by experts...are very subjective. is it possible i ranked him too high? of course.
that's also why i put in the "expert" rankings after mine...to compare/contrast. Keith Law has him #18 overall. (Maybe KLaw's not the best to use to support my rankings, lol.) Frankie Piliere, and ex-scout for Texas, has him #24 overall. Sickels has him lower overall...and Mayo's as questionable as Klaw.

anyways, whether we disagree or not, is it really that far off?
................ drabek. i could buy putting davis or friedrich ahead of him...even parker, if he rebounds from his injury.

[yankee82093]

disagree on a couple fronts, in terms of kelly. but thx for the discussion.

1) that's not my only criteria...just a big factor w/ me personally. chapman's a perfect example, because we have very little to go with to date.
2) "high caliber stuff" is subjective. does he throw high 90s? no. does he have 3 plus pitches, with very good sink on his low 90s fastball? yes. are 3 plus pitches common in a prospect so young? no.

he killed it in the SAL. his K to BB ratio was outstanding. he finally commited to just pitching. every scouting report i read talks about his advanced feel for pitching, and how quickly he'll move up thru the bosux system. and his ceiling is a #2

all these rankings...by me, or by experts...are very subjective. is it possible i ranked him too high? of course.
that's also why i put in the "expert" rankings after mine...to compare/contrast. Keith Law has him #18 overall. (Maybe KLaw's not the best to use to support my rankings, lol.) Frankie Piliere, and ex-scout for Texas, has him #24 overall. Sickels has him lower overall...and Mayo's as questionable as Klaw.

anyways, whether we disagree or not, is it really that far off?
................ drabek. i could buy putting davis or friedrich ahead of him...even parker, if he rebounds from his injury.

No, it's not really that far off I suppose. But Kelly does not have 3 plus pitches or a low nineties fastball with great movement. He has a fastball that's high eighties to low nineties. I have no idea why anyone says his fastball is plus. IMO, there are only two ways to have a good fastball.
1) it gets a lot of swings a misses. This is only possible with at least a mid-nineties fastball.

2) it gets lots of groundballs.

Kelly does not fit 1), and he doesn't have an elite groundball rate either. I'll settle for above-average if he commands the thing well, but it's just not good enough to be plus.

And very few people have three true plus pitches. Kelly is not one of them.

When I read scouting reports about Kelly, I see a guy with average to slightly above-average stuff with advanced approach. There are just a lot of guys like this.

Don't get me wrong, I like Kelly a lot. But he struggles against righties, and posted a luck and park adjusted FIP of 3.71 which is barely above average for that league.

[ajra21]

Casey Kelly at 19 and Alrodis at 5 seem like poor choices. It's a decent list though. And Gary Sanchez should not be so high.

my gut is that never produces consistently.

[I'm A Wenner!]

That list looks like you copied BA's with some nonsense about players you've heard of to make it "your own."

[Yanks26Sox7]

That list looks like you copied BA's with some nonsense about players you've heard of to make it "your own."

you're a jackoff too

1) BA hasn't released their list yet. neither has BP.
2) if you follow that link, you'll see i built my list well before any expert released theirs.
3) if i had copied, why would i be so far off base on so many prospects?
4) the reason the top 30 to 35 are so tight is because just about any serious baseball fan could rattle off those names...and in a very similar order.

if you want to discuss prospects, cool. if you want to make some ignorant comment, blow me...go back to boston, so you'll feel comfortable in your gayness.

[THEBOSS84]

He's been told.

[kan_t]

Some disagreements here.

1) Aroldis Chapman is too high. I understand why he can be ranked so high but I am worry about his control and I view his as a reliever more than a starter.

2) Casey Kelly is too high. I put Wade Davis or Drabek above him. But to be fair, he will be in the #15-#30 range in most of the "expert" propects lists.

3) I don't like prospect who has poor discipline so Vitters is not my cup of tea.

4) Tim Beckham has big potential but he needs to show more for me to consider him in top 50 prospects.

5) I don't get the Ynoa love. So far he has health concern and no actual performance to back up the hype.

Probably have some other disagreements but a prospects list, especially a top 200 prospects list, is hard for people to agree everything. Overrall it's a good effort.

[Yanks26Sox7]

Some disagreements here.

1) Aroldis Chapman is too high. I understand why he can be ranked so high but I am worry about his control and I view his as a reliever more than a starter.

2) Casey Kelly is too high. I put Wade Davis or Drabek above him. But to be fair, he will be in the #15-#30 range in most of the "expert" propects lists.

3) I don't like prospect who has poor discipline so Vitters is not my cup of tea.

4) Tim Beckham has big potential but he needs to show more for me to consider him in top 50 prospects.

5) I don't get the Ynoa love. So far he has health concern and no actual performance to back up the hype.

Probably have some other disagreements but a prospects list, especially a top 200 prospects list, is hard for people to agree everything. Overrall it's a good effort.

i'll go over them, in order...

1) you are right. i was too aggressive in my ranking of chapman. i can say that based upon the few expert rankings that are out. it clearly shows i've over-ranked him. (that's also part of the reason i did this list. wanted to compare/contrast how i did to the experts. and doing that has shown where i missed the boat.)

2) talked about Kelly already. it's only my opinion above...and you 2 guys may be right. only time will tell.
anyways, i'd buy Davis. but...in case you couldn't tell by my censored comment somewhere above...i'm not the biggest fan of drabek. i'm also not completely sold he's not (somewhat) "damaged goods."

3) totally understandable. we all have our varied opinions on these guys.

4) this is beckham's make or break year. i believe the former #1 overall will begin to hit as advertised. if he doesn't, then yes...i've got him too high. just not ready to give up on all that potential just yet...cuz he has the tools to become the best SS prospect in the game...if he turns it around.

5) same thing. i'm not ready to give up on Ynoa just yet...even though the experts all seem to have done so.
gotta believe the A's did their due diligence when signing him. he was gonna be the next king felix. then he got hurt. i'm basically giving him a mulligan...but this year he's got to show something.
bottom line for me though...he's only 18...so he's exactly @ the same level as matzek, turner, wheeler, or any of the other HS pitchers drafted last june...because they're all 18, and they all haven't pitched professionally yet. anyhow, that's why i'm giving him one more year to show that potential...because he's right on par w/ those other top prospects i mentioned, heading into this season.


anyways, that's just my 2 cents on the issues you brought up.
but thank you, kan_t. appreciate it.

[kan_t]

...bottom line for me though...he's only 18...so he's exactly @ the same level as matzek, turner, wheeler, or any of the other HS pitchers drafted last june...because they're all 18, and they all haven't pitched professionally yet. anyhow, that's why i'm giving him one more year to show that potential...because he's right on par w/ those other top prospects i mentioned, heading into this season.

I think the difference between Ynoa and Matzek, Turner, Wheeler is that all other pitcher pitched in America before. They pitched in HS actural games instead of tryout. The scouting evaluation should be better.

Another question is that I see you rank Crow much higher than Scheppers. Scheppers has better stuff and can be an ace. I know he has some health concern but the stuff is so good that I think I rank him over Crow, who is projected to be a No.2/3 starter.

I totally agree with you about the Dee Gordon ranking. It seems that every expert loves him but I don't think you miss this one. He basically has zero power. And I'm not sure he can develop much power with his small body.

[Yanks26Sox7]

I think the difference between Ynoa and Matzek, Turner, Wheeler is that all other pitcher pitched in America before. They pitched in HS actural games instead of tryout. The scouting evaluation should be better.

Another question is that I see you rank Crow much higher than Scheppers. Scheppers has better stuff and can be an ace. I know he has some health concern but the stuff is so good that I think I rank him over Crow, who is projected to be a No.2/3 starter.

I totally agree with you about the Dee Gordon ranking. It seems that every expert loves him but I don't think you miss this one. He basically has zero power. And I'm not sure he can develop much power with his small body.

as for Ynoa...very true. even though those names are entering the year under similar circumstances...an even playing field, if you will...you are right about the scouting/evaluation.

based upon the experts, it looks like i did make a mistake w/ crow/scheppers...but i'll tell you why i ranked it like that.
crow does project to be a 2 or a 3. scheppers definitely has the better arm/stuff. but i knocked him down for 2 reasons. one was his health/injury...which was the same reason i knocked gibson down a bit, fwiw. despite a few good AFL moments, it's obviously still a concern. but the other factor was his probable future role. with crow, it's not a question. but i read a couple reports about scheppers being a future reliever, which i didn't like seeing. basically, i had scheppers and aumont in the same grouping. they both have real live arms, and great stuff. i had seen that the phils were thinking about giving aumont a shot at starting...which btw was confirmed this week...so he got bumped up a bit by me. conversely, i dinged scheppers for those reliever role reports i was seeing.
basically saying that much of the list is very interchangable...especially when it depends on future roles...because only time will tell. just hard to value a probable 8th inning guy, maybe even a closer, over a #2 or #3 SP...if that makes sense.

thx for the bit about dee gordon. i still hold 2004 against his father.
seriously, i question the bat moving forward/moving up in the ranks...and yeah, hardly any power there. but i understand why he's ranked so high by others. he's got a couple very solid tools/speed...and it comes down to position. just look at someone like Sickel's rankings...shortstops, second basemen, and catchers get way over-valued due to the position they play. honestly, i'm guilty of the same thing at times. is what it is...

[I'm A Wenner!]

How have BAs lists not been released? I have their prospect handbook right next to me. The players about whom you're off-base tend to be players that have been discussed on this board, which leads me to believe that you're overvaluing them just because of your familiarity with them.

[Yanks26Sox7]

How have BAs lists not been released? I have their prospect handbook right next to me. The players about whom you're off-base tend to be players that have been discussed on this board, which leads me to believe that you're overvaluing them just because of your familiarity with them.

meant that their top 100 list is due out sometime next week. as for the handbook, i don't know when it was sent. didn't order one this year...getting a copy elsewhere.
in any case, after all the work i put into my list, i took offense to you saying i copied from someone. as that link shows, if you follow it to the entire thread...i began (@ least online) on 1/16, and finished on 1/22. no expert had released before that date that i know of. did you receive your handbook before then?

as for me taking things from the board...whatever. haven't been here since '07, as my few posts show. guess i could've read it as a visitor though, lol, so i'll prolly never convince you otherwise. but i have my own forum that keeps me busy. came back because i was looking for further discussion on that list, nothing more. (did the same at a lot of places, fwiw...not just here.)

the last part, bolded, is prolly true though. of course i'm prolly more likely to overvalue prospects i'm more familiar with...whether i've scouted/seen them personally, or had the opportunity to read more scouting reports on them, etc. it's only natural...even though i've already admitted to overvaluing upside/potential.

anyways, look at the prospect i'm most off-base with...and read my thread, where my list was created. imo, it's Michael Brantley.
i left him completely off my list. the reason was that i was sure he had passed the AB threshold last year, so i assumed he graduated. well, i was wrong...by something like 13 ABs, if i remember right.
not sure i would've had him in my top 100...but he would've been in my top 200, had i not made that mistake. he's on 3 of the 4 online lists to date, ranked higher then i'd ever have him. but i added 201 thru 211 (at the end, and in no particular order) for comparison purposes only, on prospects i missed the boat on...rather then trying to "fit" them in somewhere after the fact. (fwiw, kiker's not on a list...but had a scout e-mail me saying i missed on him...so included him in the group at the end as well.)
but if i was copying, why would i leave him/brantley off entirely? i wouldn't have made myself look dumb by assuming he was no longer a prospect if that had been the case.

but there are plenty more "mistakes" to find, in terms of rankings. not just over-valuing, but under-valuing. hagadone, decker, mier, etc...had i been "copying," shouldn't they all be much higher on my list?
or was my goal to look stupid, and waste time justifying my work, rather then discussing/debating prospects?