The 2010 New York Jets Thread

[JeffWeaverFan]

I know the draft is deep but how many guys can do what Leon does? He's a gamechanger. There's no one else except Edwards (when he actually catches the ball) we have that can be a dynamic offensive weapon.

Yeah that's true for what Leon was, but Leon will be going on 28 and most likely his best days are behind him after that injury. I'd gladly let someone else see if he can come back to 100% and take their 2nd rounder. Doubt it will happen though.

[CallOfTheCrow]

Complete list of RFA tenders (Cimini):

First- and Third-Round Level ($3.0 million to $3.3 million)

WR Braylon Edwards (In his case, his 2009 base salary was greater than the tender, so he receives 110% of that figure, $5 million)

First-Round Level ($2.4 million to $2.6 million)

None

Second-Round Level ($1.7 million to $1.8 million)

RB Leon Washington ($1.759 million)

WR Brad Smith ($1.759 million)

Orginal Draft-Round Level ($1.1 million to $1.2 million)

QB Kellen Clemens (third round, $1.176 million. Originally a second-round pick, but because the Jets used second-round tenders on Washington and Smith, the rule states that Clemens must drop a round in terms of compensation)

S Eric Smith (third round, $1.176 million)

OT Wayne Hunter (third round, $1.176 million)

CB Drew Coleman (sixth round, $1.176 million)

S James Ihedigbo (undrafted, $1.101 million)

Not Tendered

WR Wallace Wright

LB Marques Murrell

DT Howard Green

[PlsDontTearDownY.S.]

Yeah that's true for what Leon was, but Leon will be going on 28 and most likely his best days are behind him after that injury. I'd gladly let someone else see if he can come back to 100% and take their 2nd rounder. Doubt it will happen though.

I'd think he'd be in trouble if knee ligaments that were torn, and Leon is not a typical 250 rushes a year back. I think he can be very productive into his early 30s. That type of injury is more common in soccer, and those guys make it back after broken legs and play at a comparable level.

[Clete]

This is very fresh off the wire, but the Jets have just dealt some picks for Antonio Cromartie of the Chargers.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...d-to-the-jets/

The New York Jets' "extreme interest" in Antonio Cromartie should be consummated soon.

Fox's Jay Glazer reports that New York is on the verge of a trade that would send a second or third-round pick in 2011 to the Chargers for the troubled Chargers wideout.

[Snatch Catch]

I'm alright with it. Hopefully Rex and co can harness his awesome raw skills.

[YanksFan1992]

It's a done deal per Schefter.

The Jets easily have the best pair of corners in the league now.

[NYYRules#1]

Tremendous deal for the Jets. This defense gets even more insane.

[RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees]

I just read that Cromartie has 7 kids from 5 women, and he's only 25. Now THERE'S incentive to play well for a new contract...child support.

[dabomb2045]

If we get the 2006-07 Cromartie.....great deal. If we get the 2008-09 Cromartie...not so good.

[RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees]

If we get the 2006-07 Cromartie.....great deal. If we get the 2008-09 Cromartie...not so good.

[Jetfanmack]

[Jetfanmack]

I love the Cromartie move. He could end up busting, but he's 25 years old, and it's well worth the gamble to find out. The defense suits him very well.

As for Leon, I'd love for someone to sign him so we could get a 2nd round pick back, but I just highly doubt that would happen. I love Leon, but at 28 years old coming off a broken leg, he's a risk, and he still wants a big contract. Runningback is not the place to dole out big contracts to players. That's also why nobody else will sign him for that price.

[RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees]

Just heard on SportsCenter that the Jets might be looking to re-sign Thomas Jones after he's released.

[PinstripePride]

You beat me to that post with the GIFs, JetFanMack. Do you post on The Gang Green forums?

I like this move, even though I think Cro is a douchebag. He and Shonn Greene need to sit down and talk.

As for the Thomas Jones thing, I hope he wants to come back, but I'd be a little pissed if I were in his shoes. Then again, he's got a damn good shot at a ring next year with this team, so it would be wise for him to put aside those feelings.

[fredgmuggs]

I just read that Cromartie has 7 kids from 5 women, and he's only 25. Now THERE'S incentive to play well for a new contract...child support.

When does he find the time to play football?

[PinstripePride]

[mentalgidget]

I just read that Cromartie has 7 kids from 5 women, and he's only 25. Now THERE'S incentive to play well for a new contract...child support.

No worries there... he doesn't pay it anyhow

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/3...-child-support

...Antonio Cromartie is past due on about $25,000 in child support after missing his Feb. 1 payment due date for several of his children, an attorney for the mother of one of his children says...

[PlsDontTearDownY.S.]

No worries there... he doesn't pay it anyhow

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/3...-child-support

...Antonio Cromartie is past due on about $25,000 in child support after missing his Feb. 1 payment due date for several of his children, an attorney for the mother of one of his children says...

All the more incentive for him to bust his ass and excel with the Jets. I do wonder about his heart though. Him wussing out of tackling Shonn G only to chase him down the field and give a late little shot to him after the touchdown is still fresh in my mind. Well maybe playing across from Revis will bring the beast out of him. Revis is a great tackler for a CB.

[mentalgidget]

All the more incentive for him to bust his ass and excel with the Jets. I do wonder about his heart though. Him wussing out of tackling Shonn G only to chase him down the field and give a late little shot to him after the touchdown is still fresh in my mind. Well maybe playing across from Revis will bring the beast out of him. Revis is a great tackler for a CB.

Was he the Charger's #1 cb? Maybe being the # 2 guy, not lining up against the Fitzgerald's and Megatron's of the world will help him out. Of course, lining him up against a Welker type slot guy may be a bad matchup for him given his tackling "issues"

[PinstripePride]

All the more incentive for him to bust his ass and excel with the Jets. I do wonder about his heart though. Him wussing out of tackling Shonn G only to chase him down the field and give a late little shot to him after the touchdown is still fresh in my mind. Well maybe playing across from Revis will bring the beast out of him. Revis is a great tackler for a CB.

Agreed. His play in that game is borderline criminal and really worries me. That being said, if anyone can get this guy to play to his potential and with some fire, it's Rex, Thurman, and Revis. He's got one hell of a group around him to motivate him, and he'll be playing in the style of defense that he excelled in back in '07. Like the move a lot and while I don't think he's going to turn into Patrick Willis, I do think he'll turn it around and be a major win for us.

[PinstripePride]

Was he the Charger's #1 cb? Maybe being the # 2 guy, not lining up against the Fitzgerald's and Megatron's of the world will help him out. Of course, lining him up against a Welker type slot guy may be a bad matchup for him given his tackling "issues"

From what I understand, the Chargers played more 'sides', so while Jammer was considered more of the #1, teams could put their #1 on Cro if they wanted without SD shifting on them. Obviously not gonna happen in NY.

[DaSh 1s]

^ Right, because that was mine. Woulda have been nice to refer my post.. Cool though!



Anyway congrats!

[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'] [/FONT]fficeffice" />>> >> · Cromartie has at least seven children in five states. Depending on the report, they were born to five or six women. All the children are under 6 years old. >> · The San Diego Union-Tribune has reported he owes $25,000 in unpaid child support and has been the subject of five paternity lawsuits over the past three years. >> · The Union-Tribune reported Friday morning Cromartie twice has failed to appear in court to address traffic tickets and has neglected to pay $799 in fines. >> · The same story noted Cromartie is due in court this month for a case related to child support. >> · San Diego police investigated him for assault for allegedly hitting a man over the head with a champagne bottle at a bar in November. No charges were filed for lack of evidence. >> · Chargers coach Norv Turner fined Cromartie $2,500 for ripping the team's training-camp cuisine and suggesting that type of treatment is why they can't win Super Bowls.>>

[YanksFan1992]

Kerry Rhodes was traded to the Cards for a fourth and seventh round pick.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-to-cardinals/

I can't say I understand this move. If they really wanted to trade Rhodes this badly, they probably could have gotten a bit more.

[dabomb2045]

Not a fan of this move either....

[CallOfTheCrow]

The 7th round pick is in the 2011 draft (per Cimini)

[TheManKnownAsMecca]

Definitely feel that you could have gotten more for Rhodes.

[Melan-cynic]

Should've and likely could've gotten more. Antrel Rolle would've made me feel better about it.

[PinstripePride]

Just got back from a weekend away and I have to say, I am also very disappointed by this trade. We should have been able to get a lot more for Rhodes, and if not, then just kept him. Kinda crappy to follow up a great trade with one that kinda takes the wind out of your sails a bit. I'd be pretty elated if I was a Cardinals fan.

[dabomb2045]

Just got back from a weekend away and I have to say, I am also very disappointed by this trade. We should have been able to get a lot more for Rhodes, and if not, then just kept him. Kinda crappy to follow up a great trade with one that kinda takes the wind out of your sails a bit. I'd be pretty elated if I was a Cardinals fan.

I dont get why everyone felt he had to be traded. Yes the guy had a down season...but played very well after the "wake up" call of losing his starting spot temporarily. He's still a very good player.

Just feels like we gave up on him for some reason.

[PinstripePride]

I DO feel like he needed to go. I don't really want a distraction, me-first kinda guy on my team like Rhodes had become. He seemed more focused on twittering and staring at himself in the mirror than hitting anyone. He doesn't fit Rex's mold whatsoever. That being said, you don't dump him for next to nothing and you don't shop him with such a sense of urgency that forces you to take less than he's worth. Rhodes was worth a LOT more than we got, on raw talent alone.

Now we need to fill the hole at S with the draft, when I was hoping we coulda used our top pick on a pass rushing DE.

[PlsDontTearDownY.S.]

I think Kerry Rhodes showed the Jets why it was time to go when he celebrated after his sack/forced fumble of Philip Rivers in that playoff game instead of keeping his head in the game and going for the football. Total "me" guy. To be fair, Cromartie's noneffort was weak in that game as well, but Rhodes had a whole season to endear himself to Rex.

[Melan-cynic]

I think Kerry Rhodes showed the Jets why it was time to go when he celebrated after his sack/forced fumble of Philip Rivers in that playoff game instead of keeping his head in the game and going for the football. Total "me" guy.

That play aggravated me beyond belief. It also annoyed me that no one in the football media seemed to pick up on that particular play. Unreal.

[DaSh 1s]

TJ is a chief.

[Snatch Catch]

And for not a lot of money.

I'm not at all upset. Now the 49ers need to breath life into the Leon rumor.

[CallOfTheCrow]

And for not a lot of money.

I'm not at all upset. Now the 49ers need to breath life into the Leon rumor.

Que? Haven't heard this.

[DaSh 1s]

Destroys my Jamaal Charles keeper

[CallOfTheCrow]

Chris Steuber's latest mock on scout.com has the Jets taking Carlos Dunlap in the 1st & Damian Williams in the 2nd.

[Snatch Catch]

Que? Haven't heard this.

There's supposedly some rumor about the Niners having interest, which would be awesome because if they signed him to a deal, the Jets would get the 49th pick in the draft if they chose not to match.

[dabomb2045]

I think Kerry Rhodes showed the Jets why it was time to go when he celebrated after his sack/forced fumble of Philip Rivers in that playoff game instead of keeping his head in the game and going for the football. Total "me" guy. To be fair, Cromartie's noneffort was weak in that game as well, but Rhodes had a whole season to endear himself to Rex.

If you didnt like Rhodes...you're gonna hate Cromartie and his selfishness. Btw whats w/everyone wanting to just dump Jones and now Leon? Does everyone really think Greene can handle 300+ carries a year w/his running style? He's a smaller Brandon Jacobs. Real good but he wont hold up for 16 games unless he changes his style--and changing his style will also limit his effectiveness.

[CallOfTheCrow]

Heard Wallace Wright signed with Carolina.

[PlsDontTearDownY.S.]

If you didnt like Rhodes...you're gonna hate Cromartie and his selfishness. Btw whats w/everyone wanting to just dump Jones and now Leon? Does everyone really think Greene can handle 300+ carries a year w/his running style? He's a smaller Brandon Jacobs. Real good but he wont hold up for 16 games unless he changes his style--and changing his style will also limit his effectiveness.

I don't want the Jets to get rid of Leon in any way, shape, or form unless it has something to do with Brandon Marshall coming back, but NFL trades don't seem to go down like that anyway. Leon is far too valuable. He's not that old, he hasn't been run ragged like traditional halfbacks, and his injury is not of the career crippling type.

As far as Cromartie, I realize he's got a checkered reputation. But I'm willing to give a guy of his talent and athleticism a season to prove himself. He's has so much riding on a productive season.

[Melan-cynic]

I don't want the Jets to get rid of Leon in any way, shape, or form unless it has something to do with Brandon Marshall coming back, but NFL trades don't seem to go down like that anyway. Leon is far too valuable. He's not that old, he hasn't been run ragged like traditional halfbacks, and his injury is not of the career crippling type.

Leon for Brandon Marshall? FAIL. So many things wrong with this post.

First, how the hell do you think Leon Washington [coming off a broken leg no less] brings back Marshall in a trade.

Secondly, Marshall is a free agent, so where you get trade from I do not know.

Third, how can you possibly know if a horribly broken leg is or is not a "career crippling type" injury for a running back?

[Snatch Catch]

Marshall is an RFA and tendered at the highest rate, so in actuality he's probably likely to be traded if he's on another team next year.

[Melan-cynic]

Marshall is an RFA and tendered at the highest rate, so in actuality he's probably likely to be traded if he's on another team next year.

No he's not. Marshall is tendered to a 1st round not the highest tender - which is a 1st and 3rd rounder. Seattle is going to sign him...unless Denver matches. It's a RFA signing, not a trade...

[Snatch Catch]

No he's not. Marshall is tendered to a 1st round not the highest tender - which is a 1st and 3rd rounder. Seattle is going to sign him...unless Denver matches. It's a RFA signing, not a trade...

Ok, I thought he had the highest tender. Regardless, there's no way Seattle signs him. They're not giving up the 6th pick in the draft to sign Marshall to a huge contract. They're going to try and work out a trade with Denver if they're trying to land Marshall.

[PlsDontTearDownY.S.]

Leon for Brandon Marshall? FAIL. So many things wrong with this post.

First, how the hell do you think Leon Washington [coming off a broken leg no less] brings back Marshall in a trade.

Secondly, Marshall is a free agent, so where you get trade from I do not know.

Third, how can you possibly know if a horribly broken leg is or is not a "career crippling type" injury for a running back?

First of all, take it easy. You go on like I'm a condemned sinner for being mistaken. "How the hell do you think" ...relax. I didn't know he was a FA, and you obviously didn't pick up on the meaning of my comments. My point with the Brandon Marshall thing was to show that it would take a near impossibility (apparently total impossibility in this case) for me to be ok with letting Leon go. Perhaps I should have gone with another player.

As for the nature of the injury and the likelihood of successful rehab, look at soccer for precedent. Soccer players change direction and rely on their legs as much as or more as NFL halfbacks, and they frequently recover from broken legs to play at a comparable level to before the injury. Torn knee ligaments are another story entirely.

[DaSh 1s]

I think you underestimate how replaceable Leon could be.

[PlsDontTearDownY.S.]

I think you underestimate how replaceable Leon could be.

How? By whom? At any point in the game, when Leon touches the ball he's a move or two away from a TD.

[Snatch Catch]

How? By whom? At any point in the game, when Leon touches the ball he's a move or two away from a TD.

That's a bit of hyperbole.

I'd drive Leon to the airport myself if it meant getting a pick like the Niners 2nd rounder (#49). Take Hardesty, or whomever falls to them.

Or wait until the 3rd/4th and take McCluster.

[Melan-cynic]

As for the nature of the injury and the likelihood of successful rehab, look at soccer for precedent. Soccer players change direction and rely on their legs as much as or more as NFL halfbacks, and they frequently recover from broken legs to play at a comparable level to before the injury. Torn knee ligaments are another story entirely.

As someone who played soccer very competitively for my entire life I have to ask: are you serious?

I know people underestimate the conditioning and physicality involved in top-notch soccer but please tell me the last time Cristiano Ronaldo was tackled by three 250lbs linebackers running full bore.

Comparing the two in terms of injury-risk and the ability to return from said injuries is ludicrous.