The 2010 New York Jets Thread

[Snatch Catch]

Figured I'd start this to talk about needs, our wishlists, and maybe some draft chatter.

With the uncapped year the Jets won't be able to sign a FA without losing one first, I believe.

Additionally, to dabomb's point about drafting a pure pass rusher, I don't think they will draft one, and I don't think it's the right move.

Rex's defense is predicated on constant rotation of the blitzers and confusion due to a lack of consistency on where the pressure is coming from on the line. The ends don't always rush, so the best pure pass rusher in the draft wouldn't be all that appealing to the Jets, in my opinion.

I think that they definitely need to address the secondary though, perhaps getting a CB or S if Rhodes leaves. Also, Jenkins injury still looms large and a DT may be a need.

Also, a RT is probably going to be necessary in short order - there's no telling how long Woody is going to hold up for, and there isn't much depth on the OL.

Overall I'd take BPA of CB, DT, or OT, and S if Rhodes leaves. Then I'd make a move for a WR in the 3-5th round range.

[dabomb2045]

Figured I'd start this to talk about needs, our wishlists, and maybe some draft chatter.

With the uncapped year the Jets won't be able to sign a FA without losing one first, I believe.

Additionally, to dabomb's point about drafting a pure pass rusher, I don't think they will draft one, and I don't think it's the right move.

Rex's defense is predicated on constant rotation of the blitzers and confusion due to a lack of consistency on where the pressure is coming from on the line. The ends don't always rush, so the best pure pass rusher in the draft wouldn't be all that appealing to the Jets, in my opinion.

I think that they definitely need to address the secondary though, perhaps getting a CB or S if Rhodes leaves. Also, Jenkins injury still looms large and a DT may be a need.

Also, a RT is probably going to be necessary in short order - there's no telling how long Woody is going to hold up for, and there isn't much depth on the OL.

Overall I'd take BPA of CB, DT, or OT, and S if Rhodes leaves. Then I'd make a move for a WR in the 3-5th round range.

You cant stop the top QB's by just blitzing them all day. They are too good for that....they will adjust and you will get hit w/big plays against you. It needs to be a mixture of blitzes as well as pressure from your D-line and LB'ers.

I go back to the Giants-Pats SB two years ago. The Giants won that game because they did something no other team could do against the Pats that year....generate a consistent pass rush w/their front four. This allowed them to pressure the QB while being able to drop extra guys back into coverage....this also made their blitzes that more effective. If the Giants didnt get a consistent rush from their D-line, and needed to blitz all day....Brady would have picked them apart. Or if you want to compare them to other 3-4 defenses....they dont have a bigtime pass rushing LB'er. Like the 2008 Steelers had in Harrison and Woodley for example. That Steelers team didnt have to blitz all the time because they were capable of getting pressure w/o it....that made them that much more dangerous.

To beat a guy like Manning....you need to be able to get a pass rush w/o blitzing. The Jets cant do it yet. If you dont get that dynamic pass rusher or two, the Jets will keep running into the same problems they did yesterday when they face the upper echelon QB's and offensive teams.

[Snatch Catch]

I definitely agree they need a pash rusher, but they can't/won't draft a traditional pass-rushing DE unless they're convinced he can drop into coverage and/or play LB, too - which the top-of-the-draft DEs aren't drafted for.

I guess I'm agreeing with you on the need to pressure the QB, I just don't think they're going round 1 to get it because the round 1 pass-rushers are mostly in the traditional, rush every play mold.

[DaSh 1s]

Holding the MVP and the Colts down to 10 points (which would have been their season lowest besides Week 17 when they rested their starters) wasn't that comical, I guess.

[Snatch Catch]

Holding the MVP and the Colts down to 10 points (which would have been their season lowest besides Week 17 when they rested their starters) wasn't that comical, I guess.

2010...

[Mark19]

I wonder what they have in mind for Braylon -- his dropsies didn't go away but he can still produce at an above-average level.

Would be helpful if they could bring in someone who can haul in those overthrown passes young QBs are prone to do

[Snatch Catch]

I'd bet they sign him. He does two things very well that are of extreme importance to this offense: stretch the field and block.

[mentalgidget]

The Jets are going to be very hamstrung with FA ruk\les this offseason. Fininshing in the top 4 means that they can't "negotiate and sign any unrestricted free agent to a player contract except for players who acquired their status by being cut or were on the final four team when their contract expired."

this is a good article on FA rules:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=090...o&confirm=true

[NYYRules#1]

The Jets are going to be very hamstrung with FA ruk\les this offseason. Fininshing in the top 4 means that they can't "negotiate and sign any unrestricted free agent to a player contract except for players who acquired their status by being cut or were on the final four team when their contract expired."

this is a good article on FA rules:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=090...o&confirm=true

God I hate that rule.

The draft will be pivitol for us this year. And, of course, we have to re-sign Braylon (especially considering this rule that would prevent us from getting another WR out on the market).

[Snatch Catch]

The more I think about it, the more I'd like to see an underrated RB taken in the 3rd-4th round area. Jones' demise could come fast an furious next year.

[cyhughes22]

The more I think about it, the more I'd like to see an underrated RB taken in the 3rd-4th round area. Jones' demise could come fast an furious next year.

I think it already has to be honest. The poor guy did nothing in the playoffs. Now maybe it was just fatigue or whatever but the fact is that he seemed to run out of gas. Shonn Greene should get the bulk of the carries next year and another big physical back should be drafted late to give him a breather every once in a while. I really believe that Greene is going to be a stud for this team because he's got excellent vision and all the physical tools you want in a back. The thing I love the most about him is that he almost never loses yardage. There are times when he doesn't get much but he always seems to get you something positive on the ground which is invaluable. Hopefully Leon is back and healthy and that gives us a change of pace guy too. I hear a lot of people saying we're not guaranteed to get back and that's certainly true but with a team this young with so much room to improve I have a hard time believing we're far away from becoming and elite team like the Colts or Eagles who are in it every year.

[cyhughes22]

Ok here's a question: If the Jets weren't screwed by the ridiculous free agent signing rules would anyone here be interested in Merriman if he doesn't return to the Chargers? I think he could run wild in a Rex Ryan defense and be a real nightmare for the opposing QB.

[Snatch Catch]

No, I don't think he has the athleticism to drop back into zone anymore.

[Snatch Catch]

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/Mock-Draf...ft-Page-2.html

This has the Jets stumbling upon Carlos Dunlap, which would be ridiculous.

CFP, what do you think about Mays being converted to an OLB in the Jets scheme where he's be counted on to both cover and rush the passer? Seems like he's "taylor-made" to play that spot in a defense like Ryan's.

Oh, and I know it's never going to happen, but I just want to say that I don't know that I've ever wanted a player in the draft more than I want to see Eric Berry in Rex's defense. That's Ed Reed, Jr. if he was on the Jets. Him and Revis together would be just ridiculous.

[CanoForPresident]

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/Mock-Draf...ft-Page-2.html

This has the Jets stumbling upon Carlos Dunlap, which would be ridiculous.

CFP, what do you think about Mays being converted to an OLB in the Jets scheme where he's be counted on to both cover and rush the passer? Seems like he's "taylor-made" to play that spot in a defense like Ryan's.

Oh, and I know it's never going to happen, but I just want to say that I don't know that I've ever wanted a player in the draft more than I want to see Eric Berry in Rex's defense. That's Ed Reed, Jr. if he was on the Jets. Him and Revis together would be just ridiculous.

It's an interesting idea, I brought it up in the Giants thread as a hypothetical not too long ago. I always felt like he didn't get showcased well in Pete Carroll's D (PC would literally play him 20-25 yards off the LOS.) With his speed, he'd definitely fit in well as an OLB in the aggressive scheme that Rex runs.

The only thing I'd worry about a little bit is his tackling - he doesn't wrap up at all, but that is something that can be taught.

And Eric Berry in your D would be unfair. Teams would quit throwing the ball.

[PlsDontTearDownY.S.]

How about Richard Seymour? He's not that old, he's on the Raiders, and I would imagine he'd love a chance to get at Belichick twice a year for marooning him out there in Oakland. Seymour, Jenkins, Ellis...that's pretty damn good for your 3-4 defense, with Pouha and Greene in reserve.

As far as Kerry Rhodes, bye bye. He showed what he's all about when he celebrated himself instead of diving for the ball after he stripped Rivers. There's our free agent loss right there.

[cyhughes22]

How about Richard Seymour? He's not that old, he's on the Raiders, and I would imagine he'd love a chance to get at Belichick twice a year for marooning him out there in Oakland. Seymour, Jenkins, Ellis...that's pretty damn good for your 3-4 defense, with Pouha and Greene in reserve.

As far as Kerry Rhodes, bye bye. He showed what he's all about when he celebrated himself instead of diving for the ball after he stripped Rivers. There's our free agent loss right there.

He's still under contract and he definitely has trade value. They could very easily trade him for an earlier draft pick and a shot to get Mays or Berry. Of course now that Holmgren is running things in Cleveland Eric Mangini won't be able to give things away for him but he's got to have a pretty significant value to someone with his physical tools. I don't think there are any free agents out there worth just cutting him for. If they could somehow trade up and get Berry and Mays I think I might have an orgasm.

[PinstripePride]

If I'm understanding that top 4 team FA rule thing, we can't sign anyone unless they were cut by another team or on our team with an expired contract?

And you guys think we're gonna pay TJ the bonus and bring him back?

[dabomb2045]

If I'm understanding that top 4 team FA rule thing, we can't sin anyone unless they were cut by another team or on our team with an expired contract?

And you guys think we're gonna pay TJ the bonus and bring him back?

Yeah I think we should. Lets remember about Leon....his injury was quite serious. Who knows how ready he will be when the season starts---you might have to ease him back into things.

I think Greene will see much more time next season (which is a good thing cuz I think the amount of carries is beginning to wear Jones down...esp late in the season) but I still want Jones here for another year. Greene/Jones/Leon is a pretty sick RB trio.

[PinstripePride]

That's fair. Maybe give him the bulk of the carries in the beginning of the season and then move more workload to Leon and Greene as the season progresses.

[dabomb2045]

That's fair. Maybe give him the bulk of the carries in the beginning of the season and then move more workload to Leon and Greene as the season progresses.

Looking at this year's stats.....Jones had 331 carries, Greene 108, Washington 72. Maybe next season you take about 125 carries away from Jones---give Greene say 100 of them and Washington 25.

That would leave it at Jones 216, Greene 208, Washington 97. I think something like this would be perfect. I like the 3-headed monster in 2010. Every one of these guys bring different attributes to the table---it reminds me alot of the Earth/Wind/Fire backfield the Giants had in 07-08 with Jacobs, Ward and Bradshaw.

[ace]

With all the talk about the Jets' need for a pass rusher...what happened to Vernon Golston?

[mentalgidget]

With all the talk about the Jets' need for a pass rusher...what happened to Vernon Golston?

he found out that bench press wasn't a stat used by the NFL

[PinstripePride]

With all the talk about the Jets' need for a pass rusher...what happened to Vernon Golston?

A combo of things, lead by the fact that he has seemingly no heart or fire. By all accounts the guy is a puppy playing in a league of bears. He's overmatched because he can't use his strength to overpower guys like he did in college. His one-armed take-downs don't work in the NFL, his bullrushing OLinemen onto their ass doesn't work in the NFL, etc. Add to that that he looks out of place as a LB floating around in space and you've got the recipe for a bust. I had high hopes that Rex could turn this guy around, but i think it's time to just cut our losses.

[cyhughes22]

A combo of things, lead by the fact that he has seemingly no heart or fire. By all accounts the guy is a puppy playing in a league of bears. He's overmatched because he can't use his strength to overpower guys like he did in college. His one-armed take-downs don't work in the NFL, his bullrushing OLinemen onto their ass doesn't work in the NFL, etc. Add to that that he looks out of place as a LB floating around in space and you've got the recipe for a bust. I had high hopes that Rex could turn this guy around, but i think it's time to just cut our losses.

This to me is the biggest part. This is a guy who when he was asked if he was happy playing special teams respond that he was fine with it. That is absolutely disgusting to me. As a high first round pick you've got to have some sort of freaking pride but apparently he doesn't. He is the Pavano of the Jets except that he's technically not injured but offers about the same production.

[Snatch Catch]

I don't know how, but I'd love to see the Jets somehow acquire additional draftpicks for April.

[PinstripePride]

I don't know how, but I'd love to see the Jets somehow acquire additional draftpicks for April.

Rhodes.

[NYYRules#1]

ESPN reporting that Sanchez is visiting the notorious Dr. James Andrews about his knee.

Let's hope this turns out to be one of those Joba-style "we're making damn sure there's nothing seriously wrong with our promising young star" visits.

[cyhughes22]

ESPN reporting that Sanchez is visiting the notorious Dr. James Andrews about his knee.

Let's hope this turns out to be one of those Joba-style "we're making damn sure there's nothing seriously wrong with our promising young star" visits.

I have a hard time believing it's anything but that considering how well he played. I didn't think he had any trouble moving although there was one play in the first half where I thought he looked like he came up limping a bit but I doubt it's anything serious. That guy is the key to us having any sort of success next season so I think they're just being smart with him.

[CallOfTheCrow]

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/jet...t-me-back.html

Rhodes: "They want me back."

[cyhughes22]

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/jet...t-me-back.html

Rhodes: "They want me back."

Damn.

[Snatch Catch]

Lets wait to see if this is a Yankees/Damon-they-want-me-back situation.

[CallOfTheCrow]

Yeah I still think he's getting dealt...hopefully for draft picks.

[CallOfTheCrow]

Per Cimini:

Rundown of Tannenbaum's "State of the Union" address:

* Thomas Jones: The two sides are in different ballparks. You have to figure that Jones wants a contract extension, coming off a career year. But it sounds like the Jets don't want to dole out that $3 million signing bonus. I'd say it's 50-50 that Jones returns.

* Vernon Gholston: Tannenbaum says they've decided to keep him. I almost fell out of my chair when he said there's no objective data that suggests Gholston isn't passionate about football. Throw out the data, Mike, just trust your eyes and ears.

* Kerry Rhodes: Bizarre situation. The Jets now say they want him back, and they say there are no contractual issues (i.e. a proposed pay cut) in the way. So why does Rhodes need to have another sitdown with Rex Ryan? I think the Jets have presented a set of ground rules to Rhodes, demanding total commitment, and they're waiting on his response. It still wouldn't shock me if they trade him.

* Braylon Edwards: He'll get the first- and third-round tender. Sounds like they really want him back. We'll take them at their word.

* Kellen Clemens: He'll get a second-round tender (his draft round), but that doesn't mean he's back. Got the impression that Tannenbaum wants to add a backup with more experience.

* Leon Washington: He'll get a tender, probably a second- or first-round tender. It sounds like he's ahead in his rehab schedule, but it might be a reach to say he's going to be 100% by next season.

* Alan Faneca: The Jets want to keep the OL together, but they may try to come after some of Faneca's $7.5 million in salary.

[dabomb2045]

Per Cimini:

Rundown of Tannenbaum's "State of the Union" address:

* Thomas Jones: The two sides are in different ballparks. You have to figure that Jones wants a contract extension, coming off a career year. But it sounds like the Jets don't want to dole out that $3 million signing bonus. I'd say it's 50-50 that Jones returns.

* Vernon Gholston: Tannenbaum says they've decided to keep him. I almost fell out of my chair when he said there's no objective data that suggests Gholston isn't passionate about football. Throw out the data, Mike, just trust your eyes and ears.

* Kerry Rhodes: Bizarre situation. The Jets now say they want him back, and they say there are no contractual issues (i.e. a proposed pay cut) in the way. So why does Rhodes need to have another sitdown with Rex Ryan? I think the Jets have presented a set of ground rules to Rhodes, demanding total commitment, and they're waiting on his response. It still wouldn't shock me if they trade him.

* Braylon Edwards: He'll get the first- and third-round tender. Sounds like they really want him back. We'll take them at their word.

* Kellen Clemens: He'll get a second-round tender (his draft round), but that doesn't mean he's back. Got the impression that Tannenbaum wants to add a backup with more experience.

* Leon Washington: He'll get a tender, probably a second- or first-round tender. It sounds like he's ahead in his rehab schedule, but it might be a reach to say he's going to be 100% by next season.

* Alan Faneca: The Jets want to keep the OL together, but they may try to come after some of Faneca's $7.5 million in salary.

I'll go on record saying that not bringing back Jones would be a huge mistake. I think going into 2010 with TJ/Greene as the lead backs, with Leon being eased back into things getting maybe 5-10 carries a game, catching passes out of the backfield and returning kicks/punts is the way to go. Jones is still quite good....just prob isnt capable of carrying the ball 300+ times a year anymore w/o wearing down late in the year (such as what happened this year). But there is no reason why you cant have a three RB tandem. The Giants did it with Jacobs/Ward/Bradshaw for 2 years and it worked well for them.

I also feel like I'm one of the few that still likes Rhodes. Yes he had a mostly off season in 09, but after Ryan "benched" him and called him out....he was a different player after that...he looked like the Rhodes we knew. Sometimes players just get complacent and need a kick in the ass--it seemed to have worked for Rhodes. He's still a good player and I dont wanna give up on him unless I get some VERY high picks in a trade.

As for Gholston....not cutting him is simply them not wanting to admit they made a mistake and blew that pick (at least yet). But its obvious the guy is a bust.

Edwards....bringing him back is the right decision. Hopefully he can work on the drops. But we see what he can do when he holds on to the ball. He's tall, physical and the only receiver on the Jets that can stretch the field. As Sanchez continues to get better, I think you'll see Braylon really take off.

[Snatch Catch]

Rex was just interviewed ringside at the Strikeforce event in Miami tonight and the whole place started booing him.

At the very end he says "One more thing - I just want to tell all the fans here in Miami that we're coming to beat you twice next year," and then starts laughing.

[RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees]

<3 Rex

[RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=090...s&confirm=true

SUNRISE, Fla. -- New York Jets coach Rex Ryan apologized Sunday for making an obscene gesture at a mixed martial arts event.


Greg Trott / Associated Press
Jets coach Rex Ryan issued an apology Sunday for making an obscene gesture at an event the previous night.

Ryan was booed Saturday night while doing a television interview at the MMA event at Bank Atlantic Center, home to the NHL's Florida Panthers. Ryan was smiling when a cell-phone camera captured him making the gesture.

[BillBuckner]

<3 Rex

Seconded.

[PlsDontTearDownY.S.]

LMAO! Rex gave the finger to fish fans. That's awesome.

[Snatch Catch]

I read somewhere yesterday that it was at one fan in particular who was screaming at him from very close range.

[Snatch Catch]

I'm not sure if anybody else heard it, but Tanny was on with Michael Kay last Friday and said that Jenkins is blowing away the timetable for return. I have no idea if it was hyperbole, but he was totally serious when he said if there was a game in two weeks Jenkins could probably play.

[PlsDontTearDownY.S.]

I'm not sure if anybody else heard it, but Tanny was on with Michael Kay last Friday and said that Jenkins is blowing away the timetable for return. I have no idea if it was hyperbole, but he was totally serious when he said if there was a game in two weeks Jenkins could probably play.

That's awesome. I know the Jet D was statistically better against the run after he went down, but still. I don't think the Colts would have had the same success running the ball in the 2nd half if big #77 was in the game. Their success in the run game really got the Jets off balance and facilitated Manning's heroics.

It looks now like the Jets have adequate backups in Pouha and Green to spell Jenkins and keep him fresh for the stretch run next season.

[Melan-cynic]

I'm not sure if anybody else heard it, but Tanny was on with Michael Kay last Friday and said that Jenkins is blowing away the timetable for return. I have no idea if it was hyperbole, but he was totally serious when he said if there was a game in two weeks Jenkins could probably play.

If that's legit, good news.

[DaSh 1s]

http://football.realgm.com/src_wiret...ying_for_jets/

[Melan-cynic]

http://football.realgm.com/src_wiret...ying_for_jets/

Except it's already brought on discussions of tampering charges in part because of what he said about Rex as well as Darrelle's response.

[CallOfTheCrow]

Per Cimini....Sanchez officially opting for surgery on his left knee.

[Yankeesfan924]

I haven't really been paying much attention to draft coverage yet, but what about the corner Heyden, from UF?

[mentalgidget]

I haven't really been paying much attention to draft coverage yet, but what about the corner Heyden, from UF?

According to Kiper: (i know, i know) top corner in the draft, off the board in the 5-10 range

ETA: Most mocks have him going at #7 to CLE. I've seen him fall to JAX at #10 in one

[DaSh 1s]

http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/...e-visitor.html