2010 International Free Agents

[bmxstreetrider86]

The odds are still with the more higher priced kids. IF not, why have scouts at all? Just sign a bunch and see what sifts out.

I would think, that it would be similiar to the draft, where most of the very best players come from the upper 1/2 of the first round.

Obviously, there are Jorge Posada's out there.

But here are the top 50 ranked players in fantasy baseball. 58% were 1st-2nd round picks and 22% were IFA's.

I think this pretty much proves that scouting works.

Albert Pujols 1.2 1 13th 1999
Hanley Ramírez 2.4 1 IFA -
Álex Rodríguez 3.5 1 1st 1993
Chase Utley 4.8 1 1st 2000
Ryan Braun 5.9 1 1st 2005
Joe Mauer 7.6 1.1 1st 2001
Matt Kemp 8 1.1 6th 2003
Tim Lincecum 8.1 1.1 1st 2006
Troy Tulowitzki 9.7 1.1 1st 2005
Evan Longoria 11.8 1.5 1st 2006
Mark Teixeira 12.1 1.6 1st 2001
David Wright 12.4 1.5 1st 2001
Ryan Howard 12.9 1.7 5th 2001
Prince Fielder 14.4 1.8 1st 2002
Roy Halladay 15.1 1.8 1st 1995
Miguel Cabrera 16.5 2 IFA -
Ian Kinsler 17.8 2 17th 2003
Matt Holliday 19.8 2.1 7th 1998
Justin Upton 20.7 2.1 1st 2005
Jacoby Ellsbury 22.1 2.3 1st 2005
Carl Crawford 22.8 2.4 2nd 1999
Dustin Pedroia 23.6 2.4 2nd 2004
Adrián González 25.5 2.7 1st 2000
Grady Sizemore 27.5 3 3rd 2000
CC Sabathia 27.9 2.8 1st 1998
Zack Greinke 28.1 2.8 1st 2002
Joey Votto 29.6 3.1 2nd 2002
Kevin Youkilis 29.6 3 8th 2001
Ichiro Suzuki 29.8 3 IFA 2001
Jimmy Rollins 31.3 3.1 2nd 1996
Pablo Sandoval 33 3.3 IFA -
Víctor Martínez 33.2 3.4 IFA -
Chris Carpenter 35.4 3.5 1st 1993
Félix Hernández 35.6 3.5 IFA -
Derek Jeter 35.6 3.6 1st 1992
Kendry Morales 36.7 3.6 IFA -
Ryan Zimmerman 36.8 3.7 lst 2005
Brian McCann 40.1 3.9 2nd 2002
Ben Zobrist 41.8 4 6th 2004
Brian Roberts 42.6 4.2 1st 1999
José Reyes 44.3 4.3 IFA -
Robinson Canó 45.9 4.4 IFA -
Brandon Phillips 46.4 4.4 2nd 1999
Mark Reynolds 47 4.5 16th 2004
Aaron Hill 49.5 4.7 1st 2003
B.J. Upton 49.5 4.7 1st 2002
Cliff Lee 50 4.7 4th 2000
Johan Santana 50.5 4.8 IFA -
Dan Haren 50.7 4.8 2nd 2001
Shin-Soo Choo 52.2 4.9 IFA -

1st 22
2nd 7
3-10 7
11-17 3
IFA 11
50

and if im correct, only 2 of the IFA's on that list signed for more than 1MIL.


Good scouting > throwing money at everyone

[JavyVazquezIsSick]

1) It's called inflation
2) All those signings are from at least 5 years ago, we haven't seen the more recent signings pay dividends yet. Montero will be changing that shortly.

[Melan-cynic]

Buz, where you at? When will DePaula be signing with the Chunichi Dragons?

[bmxstreetrider86]

1) It's called inflation
2) All those signings are from at least 5 years ago, we haven't seen the more recent signings pay dividends yet. Montero will be changing that shortly.

its fine that its inflation, but i know reyes and ramirez signed for less than 100,00, there's not that much inflation

and that doesnt even get to the point that none of those players at the time were considered the "catches" of thier class. almost all were very under the radar signings as a direct result of good scouting


so ill say it again good scouting > throwing money around

[JavyVazquezIsSick]

No one wants to "throw money around," so I'm not sure who you are arguing against. In fact the whole point of that illustration was proving that scouting works.

[bmxstreetrider86]

really, no one around here wants to see the yankees sign someone right now?

[JavyVazquezIsSick]

really, no one around here wants to see the yankees sign someone right now?

More of a joke from complete boredom and complete lack of news on the international front.

[Snatch Catch]

its fine that its inflation, but i know reyes and ramirez signed for less than 100,00, there's not that much inflation

and that doesnt even get to the point that none of those players at the time were considered the "catches" of thier class. almost all were very under the radar signings as a direct result of good scouting


so ill say it again good scouting > throwing money around

Reyes was signed for peanuts even at the time. Something like $25-$35K.

Mets scouts found him off the prospect map.

[bmxstreetrider86]

Reyes was signed for peanuts even at the time. Something like $25-$35K.

Mets scouts found him off the prospect map.

yea, ramirez was only 30K i believe. hell the mets signed thier top prospect for less than 20, neftali feliz signed for 100,000 the list goes on

[budstinks]

its fine that its inflation, but i know reyes and ramirez signed for less than 100,00, there's not that much inflation

and that doesnt even get to the point that none of those players at the time were considered the "catches" of thier class. almost all were very under the radar signings as a direct result of good scouting


so ill say it again good scouting > throwing money around

The market has totally changed the last few years.

We know Felix and MigCab got huge $. Shin Choo and Kendray were already developed and got pretty good money.

Even Cano got $150k.

I don't know what Vmart & Pablo got.

The IFA guys probably aren't as valuable per investment $ as top half of the 1st round guys. But what other choice do the Yanks have? Hopefully, they won't be selecting in the top 15 anytime soon.

[bmxstreetrider86]

The market has totally changed the last few years.

We know Felix and MigCab got huge $. Shin Choo and Kendray were already developed and got pretty good money.

Even Cano got $150k.

I don't know what Vmart & Pablo got.

The IFA guys probably aren't as valuable per investment $ as top half of the 1st round guys. But what other choice do the Yanks have? Hopefully, they won't be selecting in the top 15 anytime soon.

it hasnt changed that much. top players get more money of course, but there will always be very good prospects for those who dont just want to sign every big name guy, like my examples above.


hell starlin castro (the number 16 prospect in the game by BA) got a 50,000 signing bonus

[kan_t]

Sam Mellinger of the Kansas City Star reports that another team offered Noel Arguelles more than the $7MM bonus he will receive from the Royals.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/0...x-heyward.html

[kan_t]

It’s amazing that the Internet has made people aware of 17-year-old Dominican pitchers, but I’ve gotten several emails and read multiple comments about Rafael DePaula and whether the Yankees have signed him or will sign him. “He has not signed (with anyone),” Mark Newman said in an email. “We have seen him several times.”

http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2010/03/0...rom-tuesday-2/

[Posada_20]

When the minor leaguers report March 7, wonder if those 2 Austrailan kids they signed, catcher Kyle Perkins and OF Nathan Aron will be reporting. Signed them both 2 years ago to futures contracts. They should be finishing up school this year.

[Yankees1962]

When the minor leaguers report March 7, wonder if those 2 Austrailan kids they signed, catcher Kyle Perkins and OF Nathan Aron will be reporting. Signed them both 2 years ago to futures contracts. They should be finishing up school this year.

I read somewhere that Perkins will be here.

[Snatch Catch]

That buscone says DePaula is throwing a bullpen today, maybe a game on Friday, and will hopefully be a Mariner by the weekend now.

[Fabien Brandy]

That buscone says DePaula is throwing a bullpen today, maybe a game on Friday, and will hopefully be a Mariner by the weekend now.

If the buscone is hoping he's a Mariner then I put no stock in his reporting.

[Posada_20]

That buscone says DePaula is throwing a bullpen today, maybe a game on Friday, and will hopefully be a Mariner by the weekend now.

And then hopefully blow his arm out by Saturday

[Joltin' Joe]

If the buscone is hoping he's a Mariner then I put no stock in his reporting.

The buscone thinks if the Yankees sign a bunch of top IFA there will be a draft, so he seems to always be rooting for any other team to sign these guys.

[teknetic]

If the buscone is hoping he's a Mariner then I put no stock in his reporting.

I hope this is my last Tweet on Depaula, on Wensday he will be officially a Mariner, mark my words.

I don't think I need further proof that he doesn't really have a clue.

[NY_GOLDENARMS]

From the same buscone:

Today at the Seattle complex 2 guys where asked to leave because they were thought to be there sent by the Yankees, It was so funny.

Think this guy might be a little biased?

[Melan-cynic]

More brilliance from El Lince:

Carlo Matias has a legit 99 mph fastball for those Yankees fans who might miss the other pitcher.

[RICO7]

When the minor leaguers report March 7, wonder if those 2 Austrailan kids they signed, catcher Kyle Perkins and OF Nathan Aron will be reporting. Signed them both 2 years ago to futures contracts. They should be finishing up school this year.

Does anyone have any articles on Aron and Perkins. I read the one when Perkins signed 2 years ago, but nothing on Aron. Also are there any other Austrailan on the radar?

[RICO7]

Per MLBrumors.com

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/0...with-cubs.html

12:43pm: The Cubs reached an agreement with Serrano, reports MLB.com's Carrie Muskat. She notes that the deal is not expected to be finalized for another month, because paperwork must be completed and Serrano must pass his physical.
"The Cuban baseball news blog cubanballplayers.com reports that right-handed pitching prospect Juan Yasser Serrano "may have signed" a $250K contract with the Cubs."

[Posada_20]

Does anyone have any articles on Aron and Perkins. I read the one when Perkins signed 2 years ago, but nothing on Aron. Also are there any other Austrailan on the radar?

Here ya go Rico. Heres some info on Aron.

http://www.baseball.com.au/?page=42506&format=

[Posada_20]

Well, its now Thursday and DePaula is still not a Mariner. The buscones must not be too happy right now.

[Joltin' Joe]

"Carlos Matias Suspension ends on March 1, if his papers are ready by then, the Yanks will sign him, if not they will have to wait."

http://twitter.com/WWWUZzCOM

I wonder if he means April 1st......

[Yankees1962]

This guy has no idea what's going on as he changes his position from one day to the next.

[Joltin' Joe]

This guy has no idea what's going on as he changes his position from one day to the next.

We really wont know until a couple of these guys sign. Then we will see how correct he was.

[Yankees1962]

We really wont know until a couple of these guys sign. Then we will see how correct he was.

It still doesn't address the number of times he changed his position.

[Joltin' Joe]

It still doesn't address the number of times he changed his position.

He hasn't changed his outcomes, only the timelines. He has been saying for a while the Mariners are going to get DePaula and the Yankees will get Matias.

[Yankees1962]

He hasn't changed his outcomes, only the timelines. He has been saying for a while the Mariners are going to get DePaula and the Yankees will get Matias.

He has changed his mind and said DePaula was going to the Yankees.

[Yankees1962]

If you want to believe this guy go ahead, but right now, I think he's full of BS.

[Joltin' Joe]

If you want to believe this guy go ahead, but right now, I think he's full of BS.

Oh i'm not saying i believe him. I am just reserving judgement until something official actually comes out.

[I'm A Wenner!]

If you want to believe this guy go ahead, but right now, I think he's full of BS.

This. The guy is the Cuban Jayson Stark.

[bmxstreetrider86]

BenBadler

Working on some more international prospect analysis, realizing how much the Yankees have dominated the market the last decade

i hope to see this analysis, should be good reading

[Snatch Catch]

i hope to see this analysis, should be good reading

Impossible. It's trash!

[Joltin' Joe]

DePaula at M's complex today:

http://twitpic.com/16rf2k

http://twitpic.com/16re9x

"Depaula's average FB was 93-94 as usuall dont have the stats on breaking ball."

http://twitter.com/WWWUZzCOM

[Snatch Catch]

http://twitpic.com/16re9x

So mysterious!

[Buzah!]

When DePaula has landed, I'm going to miss messing with the Buscone on Twitter.

[Jason2237]

When DePaula has landed, I'm going to miss messing with the Buscone on Twitter.

I really hope you are right Phil, but he seems so confident this is happening today. Have you heard anything from the Yankees since his workout?

He also just posted two videos on youtube of his outing today.

http://twitter.com/WWWUZzCOM

[Joltin' Joe]

You think he is gonna land in Seattle Buzah?

[Buzah!]

Looks like he probably will. The Yanks did say they prefer Matias, but I was hoping they'd get both. Sano and DePaula could have been had, and if we don't get DePaula, I'm going to be sort of curious as to why. He seems sort of picture perfect.

[kan_t]

If the Yankees offer him the most money and he chooses M's, fine. Otherwise I will be very very sad. And they better get the deal of Hechavarria done.

[Jason2237]

Looks like he probably will. The Yanks did say they prefer Matias, but I was hoping they'd get both. Sano and DePaula could have been had, and if we don't get DePaula, I'm going to be sort of curious as to why. He seems sort of picture perfect.

Damn, I thought you meant messing with him was alluding to the Yanks still getting him.

I don't understand this at all, they have seen this kid pitch so many times, and I have never seen anyone say he is not the real deal, I don't get this one at all.

I did not care about Sanu, this one hurts.


Matias better be the second coming of Tim Lincecum, otherwise this makes no sense.

[NY_GOLDENARMS]

So this buscon was right all this time after all. Damn, this one does hurt. He certainly has elevated his credibility considerably.

Without knowing the complete details, it appears they got out hustled by the MARINERS? Sad day if true.

[I'm A Wenner!]

This is a mistake.

[Yankees1962]

So this buscon was right all this time after all. Damn, this one does hurt. He certainly has elevated his credibility considerably.

Without knowing the complete details, it appears they got out hustled by the MARINERS? Sad day if true.

It doesn't hurt me until he actually signs with the Mariners and lives up to those reports about him.

[Jason2237]

So for a guy they have seen probably more than any pitcher down there, they were outbid, yeah this one is beyond stupid.

Unless the Mariners paid like twice as much as they offered, then I understand, if not, Newman has some explaining to do on this kid.


Again not one report on Depaula is anything but glowing, sitting 93-94 at that age with a curveball, come on, what the ................ is up with this.

Matias better be the golden arm of all golden arms, and they better sign him now.

They waited on Depaula for a year, and then in the end they get outbid? Again what the f.


First time I am seriously pissed at the Yankees latin america wing of the team, besides of course the whole robbing young kids of their money thing.

[kan_t]

So for a guy they have seen probably more than any pitcher down there, they were outbid, yeah this one is beyond stupid.

First, Depaula is still in the market.

Second, even if he signs with M's, we don't know whether the Yankees were outbid or not.