The Yanks were in on Sano. But they thought he was a 3B/OF and not a SS, though I'm not really sure why they didn't just sign him anyway, they'll need to replace ARod eventually, too.
The Yanks were in on Sano. But they thought he was a 3B/OF and not a SS, though I'm not really sure why they didn't just sign him anyway, they'll need to replace ARod eventually, too.
They could also use additional high ceiling OFers.Originally Posted by Buzah!
Calmer than you are.
I'm not taking some unknown guy on twitter seriously...
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they have a ton of them. They switched Ericson Leonora to second over the summer cause they're so jampacked with OF's and relatively light on infielders.
Who else are you referring to outside of DeLeon and Slade?
Calmer than you are.
Actually, yes he is.
When George gave the team to his sons, he specifically gave Hal the pursestrings. That makes Hal, for all intents and purposes, the Yankees real owner.
Sure, people ADVISE him on how to allocate assets, but reality tells us that the OWNER approves or rejects those recommendations based on how the OWNER wants the business run.
Keep in mind that the Yanks owe a HUGE debt for the next 30 years or so on the new Stadium. THose payments are huge on a year by year basis. The Yanks have not had to account for interest and principal payments on a stadium in decades. This is a massive new cost that must be included in the budget.
Just be happy that Hal considers a $200M or so payroll to be affordable given the alternatives. Remember, many other owners cut costs to make sure they turn a good profit- the Steinbrenners are willing to make do with less profits in exchange for winning.
I think he's referring to the wave of DSL outfielders coming Stateside this year. Supposedly a very impressive crop.
Prior to the trade with Atlanta, didn't the Yankees have two of the highest rated International prospects in Montero and Vizcaino? That right there shows the Yankees have done an exceptional job in identifying and signing the best prospects - not just signing who others consider to be the best.
Are they perfect? No. Could they do better? Of course. But to imply their doing a horrible job and getting cheap is a dramatic overstatement.
Calderon, Santana, Pena, Rosario, Duran, Sosa, Flores, Moronta, Lopez, Reynoso... guys like that.
Outfield prospects (not all inclusive and certainly in no particular order):
1. Kelvin Deleon
2. Slade Heathcott
3. Abe Almonte
4. Yeicok Calderon
5. Eduardo Sosa
6. Kelvin Duran
Not to mention the possible conversion of one or two catchers to the outfield down the road and the possible movement of Corban Joseph to LF....
Any Italians?
If yes, any chance of the Yanks signing any?
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Of course. Brian Cashman can convince Hal to spend 180 mil on Mark Teixeira but can't convince him to spend the same amount of money or LESS (40% luxury tax) but just spend it elsewhere. The extent some of you guys go to defend Brian is insane sometimes.
This has absolutely NOTHING to do with what I'm talking about.
Calmer than you are.
JVS's point isn't that they're not doing well, it's that they're not doing as well as they should given their advantage in all things fiscal.
I'd venture to guess Sano would be ranked higher than all those guys if he was signed. You disagree?
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I dunno. But then it might become is he better enough? I don't know what their final offer was, I can try to find out. I think Yeicok Calderon is gonna be very good, btw.
JorgeArangure is now saying that DePaula has just changed agents.
Not a good news to the Yankees, I guess.
DePaula is still mulling over an offer from the #mariners
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Going for back to back WS!
He hasn't said he's signing with the Mariners. So if he hasn't signed, why can't the Yanks still swoop?
You can stick your fingers in year ears and yell all you want, but my point is what you are trying your best to ignore.
Hal has set a budget- the reality is that most of it goes to the ML club.
I'm not concerned with IFA. The budget for IFA is a pittance compared the the ML clubs. There is a simple reason for that.
IFA doesn't win you championships.
Go ahead, name me a single team that rode IFA success to a World Series title. If I wait for a response, I'll never get an answer- because there has NEVER been one. Sure, there are some successful IFAs out there- Felix Hernandez and Miggy Cabrera come to mind immediately.
However, when all is said and done, World Series winning clubs win based on a mix of players- draft, trades, UFAs and some IFAs. The Yanks have had some success in IFA- Mo, El Duque, Cano. But they have also had some massive failures- Richardo Aramboles, Ruben Rivera, Hensley Meulens, Igawa.
IFAs are like buying lotto tickets- if you hit, you hit big. However, just like a lotto ticket, you need to keep things within a budget- just because the lotto hits $200M, you don't go out and spend $100 on lotto tickets when you only have $5 to spend. Outspending everyone in IFA doesn't make you a smarter team- it just means you spent more money that needs to be accounted for elsewhere in the budget.
Where would you cut? Draft? ML payroll? Would you be satisfied if the Yanks fell short in the playoffs because their budget precluded them from getting a replacement guy when a starting player gets injured- because that money went to sign some 16 year old Latin kid?
The reality is that the vast majority of the money will ALWAYS be spent on the ML team- and be glad that it is. If you demand spending more on IFAs who have ZERO impact on winning the WS, then you should be satisfied with mediocrity at the ML level, because that's where the spending cuts will come from.
I wonder if the Yankees have given him an offer yet.
They certainly should still be able to IF this is the current situation. Heck, it happened with us and Inoa.
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Matsui55,
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They can and should be doing that now, as long as he is not officially signed, I hope they do.
This also makes sense in a new agent going to a new team to get more money, now the Yanks need to step up if it is not over yet.
Santana, Sosa, Rosario are all crazy talented, Calderon can flat out hit, Moronta and Lopez can fly.
This was the 6th line of my post above:
However, when all is said and done, World Series winning clubs win based on a mix of players- draft, trades, UFAs and some IFAs. The Yanks have had some success in IFA- Mo, El Duque, Cano. But they have also had some massive failures- Richardo Aramboles, Ruben Rivera, Hensley Meulens, Igawa.
Unfortunately, this might be Ynoa all over again, the Yankees allegedly have a deal/offer in place, another team makes a higher offer, Yankees are unwilling to up their offer and get into a bidding war.
Calmer than you are.
El Duque IFA
Matsui IFA
Bernie Williams IFA
Let's just see where it goes. Get a little budhist till we know what's up.
They would rather use this advantage on the ML roster to best compete for the World Series each year. Every Chan Ho Park, Mitre, Gaudin, Winn, etc, actually contribute something to the team immediately. Whether they become everyday players, vital bullpen cogs, or just mop up inning eaters or bench players, it's still a contribution towards the goal of a World Series.
For the IFA, they are clearly one of the most aggressive players. The difference being they're not far and away outspending everyone like for the ML roster. Spending an extra $10 million on IFA means $10 million less for the ML roster. That could make a significant difference in how the season unfolds. And as history shows, most of that extra $10 mil spent on IFA would be completely wasted anyway, whereas it would have some value for the ML team.
I wouldn't call this strategy cheap or stupid at all.
Mo may not have a chance to pitch in play-off.
I'm trying, I'm staying out of this, want to punch a hole in the wall. Had my heart set on him, I need to stop doing that.
Calmer than you are.
No one thinks that IFA is unimprotant. The problem is where to draw the line when we're talking about allocation resource on IFA, major league payroll, draft.
Jesus Montero.
Derek Jeter, Jorge Posada, Andy Pettitte: Draft
Paul O'Neill, Roger Clemens, David Justice: Trades
Tino Martinez, Scott Brosius: Free Agency
It's all about the mix.
No one is denying this. However, the draft is what I'm referring to as well. The draft and the IFA.
Calmer than you are.
No, its time to cut bait with DeLeon.
If the Yanks go back now and give in to the new agent, then they will lose in the long run. The Yanks realized this when Inoa agreed to sign with the Yanks, then a new agent came in and put him up to the highest bidder.
The word will get around fast to all talented Latin buscones- get the Yanks to agree to a figure, then get the kid a new agent fast, so that you can get a second round of bidding and get even more money.
The Yanks need to make clear that they will not play that game. If it costs them some IFAs, so be it. You know that old saying- fool me once, shame on you- fool me twice, same on me. If the Yanks get suckered into endless bidding, they will lose in the long run, because while they are out there getting in endless bidding cycles, the other IFAs aren't going to wait for the Yanks and will sign elsewhere.
IFA is relatively cheap in Yankeeland. And here's the thing: we need it more than most clubs because we always pick late in the draft and often forfeit our early picks. The Yanks like to say "We pick first everyday in IFA" but they're not quite getting that result often enough lately, though I think they did with Sanchez.
Depaula?
Reading is a lost art.
I can excuse Buzah from reading the whole post because he was posting furiously-0 but I specifically named Mo as one of the Yanks IFA successes. If you want to try and dogpile, make sure you are right first.
Tino and Jeff Nelson came in a trade for Sterling Hitchcock, Russ Davis and Mecir or someone.
You are right. DePaula, not DeLeon.
Not exactly sure of the point you're trying to make. First, Mo wasn't signed because the Yankees decided to outspend everyone in IFA by $10mil. Some of those other players you mentioned weren't the Inoa or Sano's of their draft class either. This just reinforces the Yankees' current strategy: to out-scout everyone else and target the players THEY think are most likely to be successful. Not just sign the consensus top 5 available just because some group of "scouts" say they're the top 5.
I meant the second time.
My point bunt, was that without IFA who knows how many WS we win in the past 15 years. Also, that it is vitally important to us because of our lousy draft positions and often limited picks.
Considering that the Yanks will at least have Gardner, Melancon, Hughes, Joba, and Robertson- all recent draftees (and not including older draftees Jeter, Posada, Pettitte, Posada and Nick Johnson- yes, the Yanks drafted and signed NJ), I'd say they have done just fine in the draft in recent years.
IFA in recent years has also produced Pena, Aceves, Cervelli and Cano (and again leaves out Mo).
Without successfully drafting and signing Jackson and Kennedy, there is no Granderson in NY.
The system is doing precisely what they need it to do.
Besides, if the Yanks signed everyone out there, they'd have a bigger problem- you only have 40 guys max you can protect in any year. 25 of those guys have to be in the bigs- and another 5 or so have to be ML ready to fill in. If you have a huge amount of draftees and IFAs, you lose them or trade bunches of them for one guy. The Yanks have slowly been running into this problem over the past several years.
Whooooooooooosh.
Calmer than you are.
That's a nice policy if you are a team with no money and limited resources.
Its a damn stupid one when you're the richest team in sports. The Buscones already know who has the money.
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Never argue with an idiot. They'll bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.
The IFA looks relatively cheap because the Yankees have a massive major league payroll. They have said that the budgets are seperated but common sense is that if you spend more on IFA, you spend less on other area. I want the team spends more on IFA too. Maybe the team uses up all those additional financial advantage on the major league payroll, which helps the team win the WS directly? In that case I can't blame for that.
Awesome, don't disagree with you there at all. Just shows that the Yankees's current strategy is sound (and not cheap).
No one is arguing this point- you just need a mix.
Mo's signing came in a different era.
The Yanks got Aceves, Pena, Cervelli and Cano for peanuts compared to Inoa. What has Inoa gotten the A's besides last place? Its just like the silly season in the NFL called FA season- fans get worked up about their super FA pickups, but Super Bowls aren't won in March or April- its about who put together the best roster for their team's needs.
Same with baseball. The Yanks might lose out on Inoa and DePaula- but they got Montero and Sanchez. The Yanks now have enviable C depth- which they eventually can use to get whatever P they need.
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