I still think that Damon has a decent chance of ending up in pinstripes. The reason? I stayed up all night last night and went over every other team's outfield situation. We really are in the best position to offer him the money he wants, and the chance to win he desires. Check out the list, you really get the sense that Damon and the Yanks will come to terms. Anyone else agree / disagree?
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I could see the Cards make a run for him should Holliday sign elsewhere, otherwise Johnny-boy gets the double whammy of not only NOT getting the type of contract he expected, but won't play for a legitimate contender either.Originally Posted by leutbneot
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I've said this in a few places, but I'd not be one bit surprised to see him end up on the Red Sox with a tremendously cheap deal (think 2 years, $6 million each).
Before you say "he'd never go to the Red Sox" or, "The Red Sox would NEVER sign him!", remember us saying all those same things about Damon before he came to the Yankees as well.
And yes, this is contingent on my belief that the Red Sox will try to move Ellsbury and Buchholz in a package for Adrian Gonzalez (with at least one additional strong prospect, possibly more). In this scenario, Cameron moves to CF, while Damon plays the smallest LF in MLB, where his arm wouldn't be nearly as damaging.
And frankly, if that were to happen, the Red Sox' lineup would rival the Yankees' lineup.
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I really hope he ends up coming back, but I doubt it at this point. JD would've been the perfect DH and LF on occasional days.
Now that we have a full-time DH in Johnson, I really don't see the Yanks getting him back. then again, I've seen crazier things happen.
And if you're me, you're hoping the overrated Nick Johnson (yes I know, high OBP guy) fails his physical and we get Damon for 2 and 16M-18M.
agreed. Johnson is terribly overrated.
you might want to take at damon's second half. and also realize that he was definitely helped out by the new yankee stadium last year. 75% of his HR were there. johnson should be able to put up some very nice numbers here. plus he's half the cost of what damon would be.
I would say the odds are largely on the side of him not returning, I don't think it is 100% certain he's done as a Yankee.
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let's hope so.
if he doesn't break a nail first.
I don't understand why we don't sign them both; they play different positions. I know they want the DH spot open on occasion but they're really banking on health this year
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until damon's demands/expectations drop... he won't be signed. bottom line, the yankees understand his market, and they have a figure in mind. boras/damon overplayed their hand.
supposedly he came back to them Thursday night and said he'd sign for 2 years and 20 mill. That sounds pretty reasonable to me. I'm hoping they're planning on him not having any other enticing offers and coming back in January to sign for 1 year, but unless that happens I'd pay him 10 a year. It's a paycut for only 2 years and it gives them a lot more depth and an upgrade in LF over Melky. If you add Granderson to the team last year it helps a lot, but if Damon leaves and Melky is still in there it helps a lot less.
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If they didn't sign him already for 2/$20 million they aren't going to. I think there is a chance he is back, but if he is it is going to be at 1 year and even less money
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actually given his current market, it's not reasonable. i don't see any team offerring damon anywhere close to that yet. so no dice.
This is possible, but unlikely only because I don't think the Padres will trade Gonzalez, especially for Ellsbury.
Personally, I think they'd be idiots to trade him at all. But a real knockout package could get him now and provide a bit of payroll relief - but Ellsbury is due just enough to make it so there's no relief and they're in the same spot next year (paying a lame duck more than they want to) at roughly the same dollars as Gonzalez, except with way less production. I think it was Neyer that pointed this out.
Anyway, point is I'd be furious if the Sox got him. And if they don't, they just don't have room for Damon unless they just take him as a DH/4th OF on the expectation that Papi sucks and Drew gets hurt (perfectly reasonable).
OK. Right. A 60 point OBP edge over Damon for much less money and one year is not good. Duh. (Don't give me Damon's slugging - at #2 that's not that important.)agreed. Johnson is terribly overrated.
That said, I still think it's entirely possible they get Damon back. And with his swing in NYS I think he'd make a fine #5 hitter. Of course, against righties Granderson is an even better 5 hitter. And in that case, I'm not sure where you put Damon other than 9, which I think he'd hate even more than getting less money than he wanted.
I hate walks.
Um, no......we're not offering him $11 million. If he wants to come back, he will have to get cracking and start crawling now...........and even so, who's to say that $7 million offer is still there? He's not a full time LF and now the DH spot is filled. He's gone.
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how is he overrated? the general public seems to hate the signing anyway
THIS is the main reason why it's over between the Yanks and Damon.
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hypothetically speaking. if the yankees get damon back, he's hitting 2nd with johnson hitting around the 7th spot.
jeter, damon, teixeira, rodriguez, granderson, posada, johnson, swisher, cano (something like this)
as for the sox getting A-gon. They would have to give either westmoreland or kelly + bucholtz + ellsbury + at least one more player (maybe bard or another big prospect).
Not a chance in hell.
Batting a .400+ OBP 7th in the order would be colossally stupid.
I hate walks.
we can disagree on this then because if damon comes back, chances are you'll see him near the top of the order.
In his defense, more than 50% of the games he played were there, so it's not that bad.
Anyway, I'm glad we got Johnson and good riddance to Damon unless he wants to play for 1 year, $8M (and that wouldn't hinder us from getting more pitching). He'd probably be hitting #5 or #6 if he came back. Johnson's OBP is just too high not to bat him 2nd.
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10 more plate appearances at home....those HR totals are pretty skewed.
I would be shocked if Damon still came back. He sure seemed to indicate it is over. It's possible he joins Matsui with the Angels, actually, if they trade Juan Rivera. The White Sox wanted him a while back. Maybe he would DH for them? I think he has some options, but the extra FA on the market now due to non-tenders have made things take longer.
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Frankly I am really shocked that they won't give Damon anything. I was so happy about this Nick Johnson guy until I found out he is so injury prone. Don't we need another DH type like Damon as insurance for Johnson? I really don't want to lose our DH for half the season.
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they gave him and offer. it was fair. damon asked for alot more and the yankees moved on. it's boras and damon who made the mistake of not taking cashman seriously.
I would have taken their last offer if I were the Yankees GM. It was only a 2 year contract. I would have done that without blinking. But, I guess that's to much for just insurance. But, do we really have someone to be a DH for a while just in case Nick goes down for a while? But, it could be a lost cause anyway. I think the Yankees think he'd get injured less often if he was a DH instead of playing the field.
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I understand the concern of NJ's injury history, but if he is going to be the full time DH with off days when Alex, Derek, Mark and Jorge need a day. So his exposure to injuries will be cut in HALF.
I loved Matsui, but it's time for him to exit. I don't wish him any ill will, but don't be surprised if he is injured and has more knee issues next year.
NJ is 4 years younger and can at least run the bases and play the field if needed. With Matsui you held your breathe when he had to go more than 90 feet at a time.
Everyone whined and moaned that the Yankees were an older team. Cashman wanted to get younger and more athletic, which is exactly what he has done.
Granderson/NJ are 12 years younger than Damon/Matsui for HALF the price. You also get better defense to boot. There comes a time when you have to say goodbye to a player, let them leave on a high note, than stay around and you regret signing them or watch them go out meakely.
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Do you think there's anyway Swisher can be traded now? I mean let's look at it this way Swisher was thought of as a guy who could play first for Tex on his days off. But, now we got Nick Johnson a considerably better first baseman then Swisher. Maybe we can trade Swish for someone. I wonder who we could get for him.
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Except Swisher still needs to, you know, start. In right field. That's a position, too.
You think he'll be a starter? I would have gone............
Granderson CF
Melky RF
Gardner LF
But, that's just me. I might be really drunk but that doesn't sound like such a horrible outfield.
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LOL at "this Nick Johnson guy." How long have you been watching the Yankees?
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I can't vouch for this personally, (NJ used to be a very good fielder), but by all accounts his fielding skills have seriously diminished over the years due to his injuries.
Swisher is not only are starting RF but our back up 1B. It helps that you can use NJ at 1B if needed, but I'm not expecting that to happen all that much.
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Then you'd be dead wrong. Beside that meaning that the Yankees would have caved, they had already agreed to a deal with Johnson. Reneging on that would have been sleazy.
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What did Swisher do to you that you want to trade him so badly you'd put up with that garbage OF?
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I'm 27 but I really don't remember him . I'm kind of a new fan to baseball if you get my drift. I have only been a baseball fan for maybe like 7 years. And being that I haven't been watching baseball for longer I have a hard time remembering how good these guys were on the Yankees such as Lilly, Soriano, Johnson.
I don't want to trade him so badly. I was just curious what we could get for him. I wasn't really saying "Let's trade Swisher" I was just curious to if we could or how much we could get for him. Probably not enough to trade him. I was just shooting out a option in case we could have gotten a good Piece for him in a package or something.
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Lots of Lou Gormans on this board. He wouldnt have liked the johnson signing either.
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WHERE DO YOU PEOPLE COME FROM? Every offseason, it's people like you popping out of the woodwork claiming that we need to make Joba a permanent reliever, or trade Swisher after his performance last year (how many more productive RFs were there in all of MLB? Three? Maybe?). STOP DOING THIS. Swisher is one of the most awesome, cost-effective members of the team and he's still young and improving! He's great in and out of the clubhouse and puts up big numbers from an important position. WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU TRADE HIM? He represents the very essence of the player you DON'T trade: young, good, cheap, locked in to a reasonable contract.
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EDIT: Sorry, that was a bit harsh. I've just been researching for like 12 straight hours for my piece about the 29 other teams Johnny Damon could go to, and I'm a bit on edge. It bugs me that Swisher isn't given the respect he deserves. He plays plus defense in RF (yup, believe it or not), has great OBP, and seems like a genuinely great guy that we have cheap over the next few years. He will be a key cog in multiple WS titles, if we let him. That is all.
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Cashman bought low on Swisher and it worked out good so far. He gave up Wilson Betemit to get him, yes WILSON BETEMIT.
What we could get in return for trading him wouldn't be worth it frankly, unless he was part of an overall package.
There is enough on the FA market that you don't have to trade your starting RF who is an on base machine (and could even improve slightly).
Plus, why trade him? Use him off the bench (which was the original plan until Nady got injured).
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We already signed our lefty DH that can't field. If we're going to sign a LF we need to sign one that can consistently play in the field. You can't have a roster filled with older guys and guys that only DH. At this point, that's what Damon is.
Johnson could bat 5th. I still would take Damon back.Melky is better defensively but not offensively.
Why would you put your biggest threat to get on base behind your two biggest sluggers? That just doesn't make sense.
I wish someone actually looked at stats rather than saying Damon isn't a full time left fielder. He played 132 games there last year. That's good enough for me. People make it sounds like he can play 80 max.
That is a disgrace of an outfield offensively.
Agreed. I mean getting on base is the most important thing a hitter can do and we all know Nick Johnson can't get on base to save his life.
What are the chances of the Angels signing Damon at a discount if they lose out on the Jason Bay/Matt Holliday sweepstakes? They're a fundamental, winning franchise with an outstanding manager and they've already gotten two former Yankees at a discount. I imagine they'd want to replace Figgins at the top of their order somehow...
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They're not in on Bay or Holliday. They're set with Rivera, Hunter, Matsui, Abreu, and Matthews.
I heard rumors of the Angels early on, but I've only read reports of the Mets w/ Bay & Cards w/ Holliday.
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It is not that he couldn't play LF full-time, but if you watched even a small sampling of the games last year you would understand that every fly ball to LF was an adventure with JD. And I am not even talking about his arm, which is not really worth talking about. Having said this, however, we won a world series with him out there and he is still a very good offensive player. Given the choice between Melky and JD, give me JD hitting 2nd in our lineup. I think 10 mil per season for 2 years was fair, but it is quite evident now that the Yanks do not want another year of his defense. If he were resigned for the DH role, that would have worked... until the Nick Johnson signing became close to being a reality and then the goose was cooked.
As far as arguing the need for insurance for the DH spot, it is a role that can be filled fairly easily with Miranda from the left side or the RH hitter the Yanks picked up from the Dodgers in the rule V draft. I don't think it is really a concern to the Yanks. Still, having JD available to either play the field or serve as the DH would have been a luxury - just one the Yanks apparently were not interested in for 10 mil a year, at least not at the moment. Things can change, however...
An offer of anything over 1yr is a generous offer by the NYY. His defensive skills have been eroding for a few years now. That's why he's gone from a CF to a LF to a LF/DH. Its not getting any better and he won't find an expensive multi-year deal anywhere in the marketplace. As much as I like him, he totally overvalued his skill set.
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