I wish Granderson made these "adjustments" a few months ago instead of last week.....
I wish Granderson made these "adjustments" a few months ago instead of last week.....
Hoping Rivera can pitch forever!
Fire Thomson now!!!
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"Trade a player a year too early rather than a year too late" -- Branch Rickey
it would have been nice, but it's not like they weren't working on getting him straightened out until last week or Long has a questionable track record in helping his hitters.
sometimes it takes a bit before you find what works.
I suppose that's encouraging. I can see Adam Wainright isn't too high on sabermetrics. lol.
I think YES showed a clip of how certain things had already been changed since the first Boston series in his swing ... anyway, I'm glad they found whatever is working (even if it is too late, better than never)
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if this change is permanent, then maybe you can consider trading gardner. too bad hanley seems to be off the market permanently.
oy vey
right, but it's one thing they've tried (and it seems to have worked, which is why YES latched on to it) - not the only thing they have, even if we didn't hear as much about the other stuff.
Long and Curtis weren't just sitting back, doing nothing about his struggles, until last week.
Actually...
During a season, how often does the batting coach really get to sit down and work with his guys?
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Holy hell. A guy talks clearly and enunciates his words and he gets chided for it?Dude really can't win.
Yup, especially when the team has played a ................ load of consecutive games with out a day off.
Granderson was benched for what, 2 or 3 games so they could rework things?
Am I the only one who thinks he was joking?Holy hell. A guy talks clearly and enunciates his words and he gets chided for it?
Humor doesn't always translate well on the interwebs, so maybe...
a hitting coach works with some more intensely than others at different points, sure, but the team itself pushed that "Long is going to get him to hit lefties!" meme so hard from the get that it's common sense that he didn't just start touching on Curtis' issues last week.
Well, that was over ST, which is the time to get those things done. I just don't think you can do those sorts of things during the season (as CFP said, that's why Granderson had to be benched).
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And, really, the offseason seems to be when guys can really step back and make huge changes.
"Trade a player a year too early rather than a year too late" -- Branch Rickey
Nice.
Nice to see him getting hot. He has looked much better since the mechanical changes. Lets hope he can do this thru the rest of the year...if he can, I think we'll all forgive him for underperforming the first 4-5 months.
Jesus Montero since June 1 (286 at-bats):
.325/.386/.605/.991
July 1 (182 at-bats):
.348/.417/.658/1.075
Excellent piece of hitting. His bat is caliente. Working with Long has helped no doubt. He has enough time to go on a tear and salvage the season. Maybe not the 35-40 homers we expected, but at least a end up with respectable numbers, and by that I mean better than the "just about average" that should be expected of him.
In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs.
Personal liking of players aside, credit where due.
He's certainly playing very well for this past week or so, and if it means anything at least for just this series is crushing Austin Jackson.
After 2 games and 5innings:
Jackson is 3-11 (1 HR) 1R 1RBI 1BB 4K 1SB 1CS
Granderson is 5-9 (2B, 2 HR) 2R 2RBI 2BB 1K 1CS
/insert SSS joke
Of course the SSS means nothing, but hopefully being productive after working with Long gives him some confidence.
"Trade a player a year too early rather than a year too late" -- Branch Rickey
When you have people after Jackson's first AB of the series posting, "Wow - Jackson really rubbing it in Cashman's face" in the Cashman thread, it breaks down to SSS. Regardless of what Jackson is or isn't doing, I'm stoked that he's hitting the ball with authority and working counts a little better. Again, perhaps as impressive as 5 for 9 and 2 HR is the 0-2 count against LHP he converted into a walk yesterday.
Keep it up Granderson.
Granderson should give Kevin Long part of his salary. Or at least a generous tip, LOL.
We'll see how long this lasts considering it's been a paltry 26 AB's, but wow. Sometimes all it takes is just "rearranging the furniture" so to speak to change the mindset and get into a better rhythm.
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Right now, his numbers are similar or creeping toward last year's (with less power), an "off" year for him.
Let's hope he builds on these numbers, and by the looks of things, he should. We don't want a disappointing 2009 version, with less power, either. The past few days he's giving us some hope.
In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs.
I´ll always remember Cone using those words when Burnett grabbed his balls in a start last season.
"I am the law, bitch"
Since we're speaking of SSS, and I'm not one to normally compare the two (I try to judge Granderson on his own merits), but rook is looking pretty damn good, and pretty damn cheap.
In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs.
QFT...
"Jesus Montero is a stud," one evaluator wrote in an e-mail. "One of the best young hitters I've ever seen, period."
Walking the bases loaded to get to him was the ultimate diss by the Tigers.
In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs.
Damn it, that last AB turned back the clock a few weeks, still making progress though.
"I am the law, bitch"
I don't see anything insincere about his postgame interviews.
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logged in just to say I thought it was the perfect post game interview...I missed the first half of the season (overseas), and although it's a been a bit of a downer lately, I am really loving this team.
Welcome back.
thanks.
Is this topic still going? His answers are a little long-winded, but they come across as 100% sincere to me.
"Whether they're offended or not, that's the way it is."
Sorry, False1, my Labtop crapped out while I'm visiting New York and I had to buy a new one. I think I got ripped off.
Ever have a Dumb Dumb moment? That's what I'm having reading the first half of your post. What a train wreck.... You've got so many concepts intertwined, its hard to follow. For the life of me, I don't know what the hell Matsui has to do with Granderson and Jackson.
When I classify a player as platoon , I don't make determinations based on a one year sample size.
Granderson vs LHP
2007: .160/ .225/ .269/ .494/
2008: .259/ .310/ .429/ .739
2009: .183/ .245/ .239/ .484
2010: .229/ .264/ .314/ .578
AJax vs LHP
2007: Total .246/ .313/ .517/ .830
2008: Trenton .286/ .379/ .469/ .848
2009: Scranton .301/ .342/ .413/ .755
2010: Tigers .248/ .302/ ..291/ .593
Matsui vs LHP
2007: .274/ .316/ .451/ .814
2008: .315/ .362/ .389/ .751
2009: .282/ .358/ .618/ .976
2010: .200/ .238/ .400/ .638
Can you spot Waldo?
Did you even read my first post. In Granderson's case, its all about diminishing returns, Cashman made a brash decision based on homerun potential and looked right past his debilitating weakness against LHP'ing and this isn't even taking into account signs of continuing decline over the past three years.
2007 .302/ .361/ .552/ .913
2008 .280/ .365/ .494/ .859
2009 .249/ .327/ .453/ .780
2010 .247/ ..314/ .428/ .742
The AJax/Granderson comparison speaks for itself.
Grandy: .248/ .316/ .437/ .753/ wOBA .327 wRC+ 104 WAR 1.8
Ajax: .302/ .354/ .405/ .759/ wOBA .342 wRC+ 112 WAR 2.7
It should be noted that OPS is misleading sometimes because it assumes that SLG and OBP contribute equally to offensive effectiveness, and they don't.
Look at wOBA for the two guys, for instance:
Grandy: 327
Ajax: .342
Even that doesn't really do justice. Prior to Granderson's mini hot streak, his OBP was around what Mike Jacobs' was before he was let go. It' was awful and still isn't great. Jackson's is quite respectable. I'll take a bunch of singles and doubles over a few homers sprinkled in with a .316 OBP any day. Homers are nice but not making outs is more important. This analysis doesn't even factor in age and salary considerations. When he's 30, He'll be owed another $18.25 million minimum over the next two years. At age 23, Jackson is making 400K and won't be eligible for arbitration until after the Yankees have already forked over 23.5 million to Granderson.
Hey, I haven't given up on Granderson, but he's had hot streaks before, and if he continues his path of success for longer than one week, I might jump on the Grandy express. Until then, I remain sceptical. It's nice to see him get a couple of dingers against his former team and sticking it to Leyland and Dombrowski.
We've flogged over this before and I'm not continuing this debate everytime you have Matsui moment. Matsui is the same hitter playing to a bigger ball park. It's no coincidence that he's hit three "traditional" Yankee stadium Homers in the right field porch in 4 games. Whether you want to admit it or not, his numbers would be better had he been dawning pinstripes. Matsui would recieve better protection with Cano behind him than the Rivera/Napoli combo in L.A. It's proven that the short in right favors LH power hitters like Matsui and a point brought up by BOBLOBAW that should be addressed is the Angels Daunting travel schedule, one of the worst in major league baseball. As far as signing him for 2011, if he accepts a minor role as a part time player, I'd take him back in a heartbeat. Although, I have a feeling the DH will probably be occupied by Posada on most nights.
What, Cliff Lee or Adam Dunn aren't to your liking? We wouldn't be shopping for a CF'er, Gardner would have it covered. Cashman would have to look for a LF'er and those aren't too pricey. Your really looking for a stop-gap LF'er and then going after Crawford in the offseason. It's also a good bet Damon would have resigned. Our defense would have suffered a setback until Cashman worked out a trade at the 7/31 deadline. Even if Ajax wasn't used in a trade, you still have him maturing another year in the minors until a possible trade becomes available and that's not a bad thing. There isn't a need to rush things.
What?! No smirk?! He's an ungrateful, non-negro dialect fool who should be should feel lucky to get to wear pinstripes!11!1! RAWR!
He gives off that vibe man! Dude should be on Nickelodeon!
stats don't tell the whole story here. we couldn't have an OF of melky and brett or brett and ajax. both players have holes, but granderson has elite potential. ajax's power had declined in AAA the last few yrs, right, so how many singles hitters do you want in the OF ?? this was a weird offseason where there were no show-stopper FAs or slam dunks for cashman. he had to choose among different wounded birds who would not have been on the market or would have commanded much more if they didn't have risks attached. nick had health. curtis had LHP and down trends. javy had the spectre of 04. nick bombed, javy has gone up and down like the stock market, and granderson has struggled but has been trending up. i think we have to assume it wasn't just a mindless hard-on move based on power stats, i think they thought they could fix him. and guess what, they might be right.
based on what you have seen, i prefer granderson as a player. maybe ajax will pull it together, but he Ks too much and not enough power for me. he's the ideal 4th OFer for this team. maybe he will morph into more, just as brett did, dunno. but my sense is granderson is a much bigger impact player. and getting granderson gave cashman the flex to move melky and do the javy deal. so it's been a bumpy road, but i think there's some logic to it.
Well see.... JSG, If Pettitte retires, and we have CC, AJ, and Hughes in our rotation. Obviously, we go after C.lee. I wonder what your take on signing Brandon Webb as your 5th starter. He might come at a cheap price becaquse he has to prove he can still pitch... But, if it works out, it would be quite a rotation.
I know this question wasn't directed at me but hasn't Webb been on the shelf for almost 2 full seasons with a shoulder issue?
I'd rather go with someone like Nova whose best years are ahead of him, assuming that we get Lee.
Yeah, he's been on the shelf, and that's why he might come cheap. Nova should be given a chance at some point, just not sure when.
I think that breaking in Ivan Nova this season wouldn't be such a bad idea considering how we need arms, especially with Pettitte out for an extended period. I think Moseley and Gaudin have already shot their load.
In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs.
I hear you but we're talking about two full seasons with the same injury, which happens to be to the shoulder on his pitching arm.
Its an interesting idea and wouldn't be a bad risk to take depending on how cheap he comes, but it'd have to be for really cheap on a 1 year deal IMO.
Yeah, I also heard Arizona is planning to use him in some bullpen stints in September, kind of like an audition going into free agency. If he does well, it will be interesting. I wouldn't mind taking a swing at him.
Grandy's definitely sincere, but you must admit he says "victory" or "victorious" with the same frequency that Willie Randolph would add "y" to the ends of last names to imply he's tight with his players. [e.g. "Josie" for Reyes or "Greeny" for Shawn Green]
"I see Jesus Montero as a potential once-in-a-generation force on offense."
I love that whenever AJax does something in this series, Grandy turns right around and upstages him. It's great.
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A really long winded post with a dig in the opening line? Why does that not surprise me. Is that your "coping mechanism"?
I'm intertwining specifically because I'm trying to determine if your conflicting POVs across a few threads are driven by some animosity you have for Cashman or if you're just trying to win the internet. There are instances where you try so hard to find some clever way to make Cashman look dumb you inadvertently demean the moves you are saying he should have made.
You've killed Cashman for acquiring Granderson due to his inability to hit lefties. I know the trend for Matsui (whom you've jackstomped Cashman for not signing) , and I know (and don't put a ton of weight on) the minor league splits for Jackson. But what matters as it relates to those moves is what he thought those players would do this year, and what they are doing this year. Neither Matsui or Jackson have hit lefties materially better than Granderson THIS YEAR... which is the evaluation period that matters. We'll have to wait and see what they do in subsequent years, but you're tearing Cashman up now.
You didn't really address the question I posed. So... if no Granderson, you're ok with going into this season with Melky as a starting outfielder and Mitre as a 4th starter? Don't give the canned Damon response... he simply punted himself out of the plans and we had to move on to another solution. I think you've agreed that Jackson wouldn't (and shouldn't) have opened the season with us. If we wanted an impact player, we had to give up a nice prospect+. And that's what Cashman did. Let's get specific... what would you have had him do differently without the benefit of hindsight, and what would the relative cost of that move(s) been?
"Prior to Granderson's mini hot streak..." So those at bats don't matter? Those hits and homeruns don't count? Yet you flame anyone that brings up Jackson's babip and his freakishly hot start to the season.
You think that the M's would have taken Jackson as a centerpeice in a Lee deal? After turning down Montero? Or the Nats for Dunn? I'm not so sure about that. I'm thinking no on Lee and probably not on Dunn. I also think that for all Granderson and Vazquez' warts that unless we make other moves using other big chips their replacements would have cost this team several wins... and instead of dealing from a position of strength we'd be dealing to try and stay ahead of the Sox for the WC. As I said in my post, if he was still in our system we probably could have used him in a Haren deal, which would have been great IMHO, but again that means we have a hole in the outfield and in the rotation until AZ put him on the block.
Looking a lot better. Hopefully he can hit consistently the rest of the way, he changes the dynamic of the lineup when he hits.
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I would love him on a minor league deal, but I think unless he's throwing off red flags re: his shoulder this offseason someone will give him a major league deal.
But again, back to my confusion on your conflicting POV's... you have ANNIHILATED Cashman for gambling on a DH that played 130 games last season, yet you're advocating signing the guy who has had the same number of pitching shoulder surgeries the last two years as innings pitched? A guy that just two months or so ago was told by specialists that he needs to change his arm slot if he wants that shoulder to show progress?
I'd call this a calculated risk that should be explored, but can't rationalize how you think Cashman's an idiot for signing NJ yet think Webb is someone he should target.
This is where reading comprehension has failed you. Your insistence to ask rhetorical question is somewhat puzzling. You know my feelings for Cashman aren't strong, yet, you need a simple reminder in every single post. I'm surprised you don't see a problem with that. Win the internet??? Snappy comeback. Now, lets talk like adults. You'd know if you actually read my posts, its more than Granderson's inability to hit lefties. Contract and regression play a huge role. Your really clueless in the common-sense department. Matsui has nothing to do with Granderson or Jackson. Now your comparing DH's with CF'ers? Matsui is linked to the NJ signing. NJ was a bust in every sense of the word. Signing an injury prone DH to replace an even more injury prone DH is farcical. Signing Matsui wouldn't have hurt the bottom line and certainly wouldn't have impacted Curtis or Austin in any way.
Your really wearing out the term "Hindsight". Hindsight is crutch used to cover another one's mistakes. Is there ever a move in MLB that couldn't be explained by Hindsight?
- Chop- In hindsight, he was a good pickup because he pitched well in the post season for Philly.
- Gaudin- In Hindsight, he was a good pickup because he pitched well for us down the home strech last year.
- Randy Winn- In hindsight, he was a good pickup because he was a decent LF in the past and he came cheap.
Do you ever listen to yourself talk. Cashman thought in Hindsight Matsui wouldn't hit lefties this year so we'd better cut him loose. Ajax has hit lefties throughout his minor league career but hindsight tells him he won't hit lefties this year. Hindsight tells Cashman that Granderson will be only marginally worse than Ajax and Matsui, so I'll trade for him. That's brilliant!!! The only credible part of this entire quote is "wait and see".
Furthermore, I don't look at one year LHP splits as an end all, but then again, it's all you got, right?. Just for sh*ts and giggles, and probably just an oversight on your part, NJ hit a sour note vs southpaws as well. It's convenient how you pass on AJax's minor league splits, to show that he's had past success against lefties, yet you have no problem using them to show K-rate and walk rate as a continuous pattern toward self destruction.. Waffle much? I can't blame you, it's convenient but not complete. We'll file this under Gardner can improve and Ajax can't.. Now you see where coping mechanism comes into play.
I actually did answer your question... Copy and paste. "We wouldn't be shopping for a CF'er, Gardner would have it covered. Cashman would have to look for a LF'er and those aren't too pricey. Your really looking for a stop-gap LF'er and then going after Crawford in the offseason" And your in denial about Damon. The Granderson trade made Damon expendable. That's just the way it is. Melky and Mitre have much to do about nothing.
Well, I guess I'll counter with the other 2/3's of the season doesn't count? Those AB's don't matter? Those K's and outs don't matter? Anyone who knocks Jackson's freakishly hot start isn't paying close enough attention to Gardner.
Your thinking is flawed. Montero's attitude cost him a landing spot in Seattle. With Gutierrez patrolling CF for seattle (251/317/371/688), they wouldn't take Austin, but Arizona would with Chris Young (273/343/480/823)???....Farout pipe dream. My guess is he'd be 30 by the time he made it out of the D-backs farm system. My thinking is Seattle very much would have been interested in a high upside CF'er. The only real pending question is how much did Seattle value Smoak? In the case of Dunn, Nyler Morgan is a poor man's Ajax (261/.322/.322/644) and still looking for his 1st homer of the season with over 440 PA's to his credit. Washington is always looking for young high upside talent so they continue to build toward the future.
This is my rationale. What does Cashman have to do with it. Cashman would probably pass on the idea. I said I wouldn't mind taking a chance on Brandon Webb especially if he gets a chance to prove himself this September.
This is it for me. If you manage to produce something of substance in your next retort, I'll PM you my reply. I don't want to take part in killing off another performance thread with you . Feel free to PM me if you want.
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I just want him to keep hitting HR's so Sterling has to sing the Grandy man can
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