Your shot at redemption begins...NOW.
Your shot at redemption begins...NOW.
I hate you.
ha ha FAILOriginally Posted by THEBOSS84
'It's about championships' Cliff Lee will be taking his talents to the South Bronx.
Argggh....
Disappointing night. Lester and Papelbon grooved him a few, couldn't do anything but foul off or swing through. Aaargh.
Go to orioles, butt
Yeah, he just doesnt seem to be all that good. I just hope he can run into a few in October.
"Owning the Yankees," Steinbrenner once said, "is like owning the Mona Lisa."
He left 11 runners on base today all by himself.
'It's about championships' Cliff Lee will be taking his talents to the South Bronx.
Goat for todays game
Hoping Rivera can pitch forever!
Fire Thomson now!!!
He hit 9th today against a lefty. From now on he should be the defensive replacement/PR in a game started by a lefty now that Kearns is here and Thames healthy
Very nice guy but wish he was better
He and Swisher.
I wonder what Ca$hman really thinks of his trade right now?
"Jesus Montero is a stud," one evaluator wrote in an e-mail. "One of the best young hitters I've ever seen, period."
Suck.
Throw in Gardner.
"Jesus Montero is a stud," one evaluator wrote in an e-mail. "One of the best young hitters I've ever seen, period."
I knew he would stink against lefties...I just didn't know it would be this vile
You suck Granderson.
He looked so lost it's not even funny
It wouldn't matter as much if he was crushing RHP, but his AVG/OBP against righties is only .259/.339. The only thing he's done well so far is hit for power against RHP (.492 SLG), but it's hard to get too excited about that when he's struggled so much to get on base.
his first two ABs vs lester weren't that bad. the 7th inning K was ugly but the worst was the leadoff K vs papelbon. he swung at two clear balls, and has hit papelbon well in his career. that AB was terrible. 99% he sits tomorrow nite vs cj wilson.
I've had more patience with him than most because he plays a decent CF, will get a big hit here and there, and seems like a great person but he has been a huge disappointment. Just when I thought he might be turning it around, he goes right back into a bad slump.
"We understand that John Henry must be embarrassed, frustrated and disappointed by his failure in this transaction. Unlike the Yankees, he chose not to go the extra distance for his fans in Boston."
I'm still a believer, but I've about given up hope of him turning it around this season.
42 is the answer
AJ Burnett=Jaret Wright 2.0
Adam Dunn has less value than Drew Henson - Nome
CF's better than Granderson: Jacoby Ellsbury (.301, 70 steals), Scott Posednik (.304) - Curmudgeon
I didn't think he looked lost... he got pitches to hit, timing looked ok, just swung through them or fouled them off. I don't think he went chasing badly or took a bunch of called strikes either. That's the frustrating thing actually. There were a few Lester/Papelbon pitches that he should have crushed, and it looked like he was putting a good swing on it but... Pop! In the catcher's mitt or fouled back.
Bottom line is when he starts we need a RH PH option on the bench. With both Kearns and Thames in the lineup, we're susceptible. Berkman's splits against LHP are poor at best, so he's not a good option.
Hope he didn't buy because he's on his way outta town as soon as the season ends.
Diplomacy is the ability to tell a man to go to hell so that he looks forward to making the trip
berkman is worse vs LHP, hadn't faced lester, and is much slower so much greater DP risk. after granderson K we still had jeter and swisher up, no ??
the NYY as a team left 9. granderson left 2, swisher i think 5. granderson's only shot w RISP was in the 7th. swisher had 4 shots. granderson is an easy and popular target, that's all.
Yankees RISP: 0-9 (D Jeter 0-1, M Teixeira 0-1, C Granderson 0-1, L Berkman 0-1, A Kearns 0-1, N Swisher 0-4)
At least 5 of those ABs ended in strikeouts, so there wasn't even any productive outs.
I've stayed out of this thread because there's no need for one more person to pile on. I liked the acquisition despite the fact I thought they gave up a little too much in IPK and Dunn (giving up A-Jax was to be expected). However, I must say that Granderson has been such a massive disappointment that he's rapidly playing himself out of a guaranteed spot in next year's starting lineup. I know he has a contract that's nearly impossible to move after this latest season of regression, but Cashman isn't just going to run him out there in 2011 with no competition. I don't think it will be Gardner because Crawford was signed, but I can see another move being made.
R.I.P. to The Greatest Owner in Professional Sports.
Win #28 for George.
No LHPs mas, por favor.
Nicht mehr LHPS, bitte.
不要LHPs, 我求求你.
もう LHPs をぶつことを望まない.
Please just don't make me hit LHPs anymore.
Quite possibly the worst trade in Cashman's history with the Yankees. Up there with Mike Lowell for three pitchers whose names I can't recall (Yarnall was one?) and whose ML tenure lasted a lunchtime.
One might find flaws in Jackson's game- there are- but not even Halladay, Santana, and Lee (thrice) were traded for prospects who had an immediate impact on the ML level right away. We gave Jackson up for a player whom he is easily outperforming, for pennies on the dollar, and Jackson could have later been flipped for a real difference-maker- not a glorified platoon player with declining numbers.
Grandy seems like a nice guy and an upstanding citizen, easy to root for. But, as a ML player for the Yankees, it is disingenuous to say he has been anything but a bust.
Last edited by bomber999; 08-09-10 at 09:35 PM. Reason: Incorrect grammar
should we have fielded a starting OF of brett, melky and swish ?? it made sense to take a shot on a potential impact player, as granderson is. it hasn't panned out, but that doesn't mean it was a bad trade, considering the bit pitchers that were thrown in and the fact that we don't really need another light hitting OFer, which is ajax. if we had crawford, ajax would be the supreme 4th OFer. but kind of like IPK, we didn't really have a place for him here.
it's kind of like a nick johnson argument, tho people tend to bitch less now as he's been gone for so long. but same deal, the fact that it hasn't worked out so far doesn't mean it was a dumb deal. the hard part is, granderson has had a handful of games that ajax can only dream about -- the problem has been woeful inconsistency. i haven't given up hope on the guy, tho i concede he's bombed for the most part.
你會說中文嗎?
"First batter up well here's the pitch: it's a curve. Second batter up because the first got served"
PS ajax was 0-5 today w 3 Ks. granderson has 10X the HRs in 3 / 4 the PAs. granderson has for the most part sucked, but let's try and keep things in perspective.
Wasn't Granderson brought here because, despite declining overall numbers, he was going to hit 40 HRs playing home games in NYS?
So he has 10. Yay.
For all the talk on this site about not jumping to conclusions based on SSS, are you seriously using a SS of 1 game to discredit what Jackson has done this year, in his rookie season?
If Damon had just been willing to negotiate in good faith, and come down from his and Borass's ridiculous demands for 3/36, we could have re-acquired him for DH/part-time LF, put Gardner in CF, and given AJ a shot in LF. Damon's idiocy has cost the Yankees in more ways than just his not being here for this season.
YO bomber999:
1/ no one is saying granderson has not disappointed, including on the power side. but periodically you see flashes of what the yanks were after. can he improve ?? i think so + hope so but who knows, we shall see.
2/ agreed, a game or half a season for that matter may not be enough in terms of SSS. it kind of cuts both ways.
3/ bottom line: if curtis can get it together, he can still provide some real value for us. if he keeps sucking, it's on to Plan B and an upgrade for next yr.
4/ camp boras were idiots, but so were we at the very end when we offered 1/3 + 3. just not insisting on deferral + maybe an extra mil would have likely gotten it done for damon. now THAT was really dumb for us, would have saved many headaches and some games as well, no doubt.
You do realize Price was on the hill for TB. How any o for's has Granderson been a part of this year? That's a low blow. At the price tag of 400k, I don't care if he spits butter when he swings. I expect a little more from a saavy veteran all-star like Granderson. After all, this was a lopsided trade. Should there even be a comparison? Granderson should be mopping the floor with AJax. It certainly would be nice to have a platoon partner with Gardner when he shuts down on offense. Of course, we do have Kearns and he's sort of decent in a not so impressive way.
But, there's still hope if either Cleveland or KC get extremely hot, they still could win the AL Central. Then Granderson becomes relevant again.
platoon playa
I can actually. I just can't type it and had to copy&paste from Chinese web sites with the closest words I could find.
I could type Japanese just fine though.
I agree that both sides (Damon/Boras and the Yankees) were to blame for Damon leaving. He is greatly missed in the Yankee lineup, and now he gets to toil for a team struggling to stay at .500.
via joel sherman:
But Granderson is offering nothing to suggest the final third of the season will be different. His problems against lefties (.206) persist. And, just as disturbing, is that Granderson cannot gain traction. A game of good at-bats, such as Saturday’s, has nothing to do with Sunday or yesterday. He has failed to offer any sustained excellence.
“He’s had a tough year until this point,” Long agreed. “But we are not going to give up. He works his tail off. There have been occasions in which I have said, ‘Here it comes,’ but the day-in, day-out consistency has not been there.”
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/yanke...#ixzz0wCdX5s41
as flogged to death already ..........
-- the trade made sense as we were not gonna start melky, brett and swish. granderson seemed to have far more upside and power, no ??
-- we traded decent chips, but chips that didn't really have a place here: IPK would have been in the minors except for injury; coke is not as good as marte or logan; ajax is "a nice player" but too many Ks and no power. so where was he gonna play here except 4th OFer ??
-- in effect, we traded some chips and an OF prospect with holes and no power for a more proven commodity with holes and power. this made sense. it was not a lock, but it made sense.
hence i don't think it was lopsided at all. it certainly looks worse right now as ajax is having a solid season and granderson has struggled. but the season's not over, and it's not as if we gave away carl crawford for granderson.
Its really sad, because I find myself wanting to root for him. He seems a nice guy, has good speed and D in CF. But let's be honest here, he has just not delivered with the bat this season, which is why this is so frustrating. There does not seem to be an effect from working with Long. The real question is, does he get a second year to prove himself. I still like the trade and I still believe that had we not traded for Granderson A-Jax would still be in the minors and would not have put up such a season for the Yankees.
Come on Curtis! We still support you!
"If you're a Yankee fan, or if you're not a Yankee fan - you have to admit, we're winners."
Paul O'Neill
good perspective, this pretty much covers it and that's the $64K question. you have to figure if he keeps up like this, or unless he really turns it around, they are in on crawford next yr. but as they say, there's still lots of baseball to be played .........
It's interesting the continued support and lack of boos for Granderson (which I agree with, since I don't like the idea of booing players), whereas poor Lance Berkman was booed off the field almost immediately!
Didn't agree with the boos for Berkman either. I liked how he said that he was booing himself and then going 3-4 with 2 doubles. Too bad about last night though... But I agree, for such a tough crowd he's been flying under the Boo-radar. Wonder if that will change
"If you're a Yankee fan, or if you're not a Yankee fan - you have to admit, we're winners."
Paul O'Neill
Amen!
stop talking about the trade
the amount of nonsense is becoming suffocating.
oy vey
Lead the league in K's and show no signs of power, while hitting .303 with a .416 BABIP?
Tiger Woods:Sent: 01:28 PM 09/08/2009:
Have you ever had a golden shower done to you
I was only surprised it took more than three pitches to strike him out.
"My office is at Yankee stadium. Yes, dreams do come true."
- Derek Jeter
I'm not even joking - the 0-2 pitch was clearly a strike according to Gameday.
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