2010 Curtis Granderson Performance Thread

[roblyo33]

It is okay. They are not directed at you this time.

He's at .485 on PANDAH (personal attacks not directed at him) which is at forum average but still a SSS.

[Dexter Morgan]

Give me Jackson, Coke, and Kennedy back.

[yankee82093]

Give me Jackson, Coke, and Kennedy back.

You can take them and I'll keep Granderson, thank you very much.

[JSG]

You can take them and I'll keep Granderson, thank you very much.

yeah, he's just in a rut, but should be a much bigger impact player. it's like making a judgment on teixeira right now. wait till curtis starts hitting HRs again.

[NYYRules#1]

yeah, he's just in a rut, but should be a much bigger impact player. it's like making a judgment on teixeira right now. wait till curtis starts hitting HRs again.

Exactly. He'll be fine. Some people extrapolate early season slumps to mean a player is awful, or won't perform here.

It's a slump. That's it. Granderson is a great hitter, and he's a tremendous addition to the lineup. He'll be fine, just like any other player in a funk.

[dabomb2045]

Exactly. He'll be fine. Some people extrapolate early season slumps to mean a player is awful, or won't perform here.

It's a slump. That's it. Granderson is a great hitter, and he's a tremendous addition to the lineup. He'll be fine, just like any other player in a funk.

I'm convinced that some people just dont understand baseball the way they make judgments on a few weeks or a month. I guess some people expect Cano to hit .400, have an OPS of 1.175 and hit 85 hr's this year?

This is what good teams do. A few guys will carry the lineup for awhile (Cano, Jeter, Posada, Swisher etc.) when they cool off, others will step up (ARod, Tex, C-Grand etc.). The dynasty Yankees were so good at that. Last years team was as well. This year's team will do the same.

[Melan-cynic]

Give me Jackson, Coke, and Kennedy back.

Can't wait to quote this at year's end.

Can't imagine what the chicken littles would be up to if we weren't 14-7.

[dabomb2045]

Can't wait to quote this at year's end.

Can't imagine what the chicken littles would be up to if we weren't 14-7.

Remember last season around this time when people were saying CC and Tex were "awful" signings? I love it

[NYYRules#1]

Remember last season around this time when people were saying CC and Tex were "awful" signings? I love it

Ahhh, I remember those times well. They wouldn't listen to anyone who said they're in early season funks, they're normally slow starters, etc. Nope, they were terrible signings and couldn't perform in NY, case closed after less than a month.

I swear some people think this is football. 16 games does not a season make in baseball. Find me one starter on this, or any other team, who won't go into a slump some time this year. Yes, Grandy's in a funk. It happens. It'll happen again. And it'll happen to every other guy on this team at some point. It's baseball. Slumps happen.

[Melan-cynic]

Remember last season around this time when people were saying CC and Tex were "awful" signings? I love it

Very well. Telling them they'd eat their words back then made it all the more satisfying to watch CC dominate the rest of the year and especially in the playoffs. Kinda like seeing the morons who booed ARod regardless of the situation have to flipflop after his monster postseason.

[grizy]

We really should start benching him vs. LH starters.

[Alan Slocum]

Can't wait to quote this at year's end.

Can't imagine what the chicken littles would be up to if we weren't 14-7.

You can't call this trade anything other than a roll of the dice, a calculated risk. If we can solve the holes in CGs swing, this could go down as one of the all time steals. IF AJax blossoms into a star CF and Kennedy become the next Mike Mussina, we could be crying in our beer for years to come. Its more likely things will fall somewhere in between those unlikely extremes. It will be at least two years before we can fully evaluate the merits of this trade. Either way, CG is our guy now and we can only hope our hitting coach can work a little magic and teach CG how to hit lefties.

[dabomb2045]

You can't call this trade anything other than a roll of the dice, a calculated risk. If we can solve the holes in CGs swing, this could go down as one of the all time steals. IF AJax blossoms into a star CF and Kennedy become the next Mike Mussina, we could be crying in our beer for years to come. Its more likely things will fall somewhere in between those unlikely extremes. It will be at least two years before we can fully evaluate the merits of this trade. Either way, CG is our guy now and we can only hope our hitting coach can work a little magic and teach CG how to hit lefties.

I dont see how its a roll of the dice. The odds that AJax even duplicate what Grandy did last year (which can be considered a down year--at least average wise)--30+ HR's 20+ SB's with good defense...is very slim.

Everyone loves Jackson right now cuz he's off to a hot start...but lets remember this is a kid who's struggled power wise in the minors and had a god awful BB/K ratio. I see him being maybe a .270-.280 type hitter, 10-15 HR's, .750-.800 OPS type player.

Granderson is the much better player and will continue to be. Kennedy? Even if he has some success in Arizona...it can be attributed to pitching in the NL. IMO he never had the stuff to be anything more then a #5 (at best) pitching in the AL East.

[BennyTheJetRodriguez]

You can't call this trade anything other than a roll of the dice, a calculated risk. If we can solve the holes in CGs swing, this could go down as one of the all time steals. IF AJax blossoms into a star CF and Kennedy become the next Mike Mussina, we could be crying in our beer for years to come. Its more likely things will fall somewhere in between those unlikely extremes. It will be at least two years before we can fully evaluate the merits of this trade. Either way, CG is our guy now and we can only hope our hitting coach can work a little magic and teach CG how to hit lefties.

What in the world do you think Mike Mussina and Ian Kennedy have in common? Does Kennedy like crossword puzzles. The absolute best Kennedy can hope for is a Brad Radke like career.

[JL25and3]

You can't call this trade anything other than a roll of the dice, a calculated risk. If we can solve the holes in CGs swing, this could go down as one of the all time steals. IF AJax blossoms into a star CF and Kennedy become the next Mike Mussina, we could be crying in our beer for years to come. Its more likely things will fall somewhere in between those unlikely extremes. It will be at least two years before we can fully evaluate the merits of this trade. Either way, CG is our guy now and we can only hope our hitting coach can work a little magic and teach CG how to hit lefties.

Granderson's been better than Jackson against lefties.

[OldYankeeFan]

You can't call this trade anything other than a roll of the dice, a calculated risk. If we can solve the holes in CGs swing, this could go down as one of the all time steals. IF AJax blossoms into a star CF and Kennedy become the next Mike Mussina, we could be crying in our beer for years to come. Its more likely things will fall somewhere in between those unlikely extremes. It will be at least two years before we can fully evaluate the merits of this trade. Either way, CG is our guy now and we can only hope our hitting coach can work a little magic and teach CG how to hit lefties.

Granderson has a career wRC+ of 118 (that's against BOTH lefties and righties) and he should be good for about 30 HR this year. If Granderson improves on his his LH splits then we have a perenial allstar. We are built to win NOW and both AJax and IPK would have started the year in AAA. Regardless of how well AJax and IPK do down the road, the trade absolutely gives us a better chance of winning now and we can always replace what they would have given us down the road in FA if need be.

The Granderson trade was a no-brainer.

[JSG]

The Granderson trade was a no-brainer.

yeah, assuming cashman doesn't do time for grand larceny.

[stazsanity]

Granderson > (AJAX + Ian Patrick + Phil Coca-Cola)

Slumps happen from time to time in this game. See also: Mark Teixeira.

[BillBuckner]

I hate Yankee fans.

[teknetic]

I hate Yankee fans.

Embarrassing really.

[TheGameEpisode2]

We really should start benching him vs. LH starters.

To be fair, he had two hard hit balls against lefties last night, maybe it's a sign he's turning things around?

[thaa]

You can't call this trade anything other than a roll of the dice, a calculated risk. If we can solve the holes in CGs swing, this could go down as one of the all time steals. IF AJax blossoms into a star CF and Kennedy become the next Mike Mussina, we could be crying in our beer for years to come. Its more likely things will fall somewhere in between those unlikely extremes. It will be at least two years before we can fully evaluate the merits of this trade. Either way, CG is our guy now and we can only hope our hitting coach can work a little magic and teach CG how to hit lefties.

I'm not disputing this point (and hope you're right), but do you know off-hand examples of people whose swings have been corrected sufficiently to permit them to be respectable against lefties?

[JL25and3]

I'm not disputing this point (and hope you're right), but do you know off-hand examples of people whose swings have been corrected sufficiently to permit them to be respectable against lefties?

I don't know if it was a question of correcting his swing, but Paul O'Neill was basically a platoon player when the Yankees got him.

[Melan-cynic]

You can't call this trade anything other than a roll of the dice, a calculated risk. If we can solve the holes in CGs swing, this could go down as one of the all time steals. IF AJax blossoms into a star CF and Kennedy become the next Mike Mussina, we could be crying in our beer for years to come. Its more likely things will fall somewhere in between those unlikely extremes. It will be at least two years before we can fully evaluate the merits of this trade. Either way, CG is our guy now and we can only hope our hitting coach can work a little magic and teach CG how to hit lefties.

Fail...

[Alan Slocum]

Granderson has a career wRC+ of 118 (that's against BOTH lefties and righties) and he should be good for about 30 HR this year. If Granderson improves on his his LH splits then we have a perenial allstar. We are built to win NOW and both AJax and IPK would have started the year in AAA. Regardless of how well AJax and IPK do down the road, the trade absolutely gives us a better chance of winning now and we can always replace what they would have given us down the road in FA if need be.

The Granderson trade was a no-brainer.

I don't disagree with what any of the responding posters are saying. But mostlly it is based upon rosey projections for Granderson (which I might even agree with and certainly hope for) and bleak outlooks for our prospects. It will take at least two, perhaps three years to totally assess how good (or bad) a deal this was.

Yes we are built for the NOW, and can always spend more money to make up for a depleted farm system. That sounds like a really good strategy based upon our recent FA success. But remember, those are longer than safe contract lengths and lots of things can go wrong that will make those currently great deals look bad in the long term.

I am hoping for the very best, but remembering the pretty good fiirst year turned in by Mr Giambi compared with the back half of his deal.

[Yankee Tripper]

I don't disagree with what any of the responding posters are saying. But mostlly it is based upon rosey projections for Granderson (which I might even agree with and certainly hope for) and bleak outlooks for our prospects. It will take at least two, perhaps three years to totally assess how good (or bad) a deal this was.

Yes we are built for the NOW, and can always spend more money to make up for a depleted farm system. That sounds like a really good strategy based upon our recent FA success. But remember, those are longer than safe contract lengths and lots of things can go wrong that will make those currently great deals look bad in the long term.

I am hoping for the very best, but remembering the pretty good fiirst year turned in by Mr Giambi compared with the back half of his deal.

Granderson is 29, signed for 3 more years with an option for a 4th. The Yanks aren't buying his declining years here.

He's a guy who already has a 123 and 135 OPS+ season to his credit, has topped 20 HRs 3 years running and hit 30 last year - and CoAmerica is not a particularly friendly HR park.

[THEBOSS84]

Amazing how a player goes into a slump and they automatically SUCK to the fan base.

[teknetic]

You're referring to the same fanbase that hated on an all-time great during his prime.

[Melan-cynic]

Such a surprise.

I hate Yankee fans.

This...

[Yankee Tripper]

You're referring to the same fanbase that hated on an all-time great during his prime.

Yeah but at least we haven't bood Santa Claus.

[THEBOSS84]

Yeah but at least we haven't bood Santa Claus.

We (they)boo'd Mariano. That's a capitol offense, punishable by death.

[Tifoso]

Such a surprise.

This...

OT

I don't get the Darrell Revis Map.

/OT

[Tifoso]

We (they)boo'd Mariano. That's a capitol offense, punishable by death.

Exactly. It'd be like boing Babe or DiMaggio or Mantle or Whitey or Yogi

[DEADSOX]

I remember Jeter getting booed in '04 I think it was too.

[Yankee Tripper]

Exactly. It'd be like boing Babe or DiMaggio or Mantle or Whitey or Yogi

I'd be surprised if that hadn't happened at some point in New York.

[delv]

You're referring to the same fanbase that hated on an all-time great during his prime.

wow, way to put things in context there...

[CoyoteYankee]

We (they)boo'd Mariano. That's a capitol offense, punishable by death.

That's worse than booing Santa Claus, IMO.

[CoyoteYankee]

OT

I don't get the Darrell Revis Map.

/OT

Think coverage. I think it's awesome.

[justtxyank]

I'd be surprised if that hadn't happened at some point in New York.

Babe Ruth was definitely booed multiple times in NY. If you've ever done any research on him you'd find that he had some pretty wild encounters with fans and was not always beloved all the time.

[NYYRules#1]

Granderson is 29, signed for 3 more years with an option for a 4th. The Yanks aren't buying his declining years here.

He's a guy who already has a 123 and 135 OPS+ season to his credit, has topped 20 HRs 3 years running and hit 30 last year - and CoAmerica is not a particularly friendly HR park.

Thank you for pointing out those facts. Some people are just willfully ignorant of it though.

There's quite a few people who have already made up their minds that Granderson sucks and Jackson is the next superstar, and absolutely nothing will change that.

[Yankee Tripper]

Thank you for pointing out those facts. Some people are just willfully ignorant of it though.

There's quite a few people who have already made up their minds that Granderson sucks and Jackson is the next superstar, and absolutely nothing will change that.

Even if Jackson becomes a superstar, Kennedy dominates in the NL and coke becomes more than situational lefty I still liked the deal because none of that was or is certian and the Yanks with a $200M payroll could not go into the season with massive question marks in both CF and LF.

This isn't eactly a Willie McGee for Bob Sykes or Doug Drabek and parts for Rick Rhoden and parts

[grizy]

I'm not even that high on Granderson (I have little hope that he'll actually hit lefties) but I'd make this trade 10 out of 10.

[mike0618]

by the end of the year you will be back to loving this trade if not sooner. saw no posts on this thread and wanted to see what was going on since being transferred from michigan to savannah all i get baseball wise is sand knats... didnt know what grandy was doing.. i know look it up on the internet..its not the same..

[shadyridr]

Austin Jackson is 4 for 4 today

(yes Id rather have Granderson Im just saying)

[JSG]

Austin Jackson is 4 for 4 today

(yes Id rather have Granderson Im just saying)

he has crushed a few balls in bad luck. let's say ........ he's due !!

[SLURPEE]

Ajax has five hits now....

[YESSIR!]

Ajax has five hits now....

5 singles. The kid is most certainly holding his own and then some.

Granderson has looked positively dreadful at the plate for the last 2 weeks. Thankfully his defense has been excellent so he's at least providing something for this team while he tries to rediscover his stroke.

[JBursch23]

I like Curtis. I like our OF minus Winn right now. I just hope Joe is able to bite the bullet and realize that it's Curtis' ABs that should be given to Thames and not Gardner's right now. Curtis will get hot and he'll get a key hit against LHP that will get him going.

[thaa]

I'd be surprised if that hadn't happened at some point in New York.

I well remember hearing 1950s boos directed against Mantle, via radio and tv.

[mr.roy]

Love his attitude and grit and hustle, (that's for tek), but come on already.

3 hits in his last 10 games.......................that's 1 more than NJ has in his last 10 games.
Nothing else to say.