They do- Brett Gardner.Originally Posted by SLURPEE
They do- Brett Gardner.
In Gardner's last season in AAA in 08' he actually SLG'd better than A-Jax did last year as well.
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In fairness, a few years in age could make a huge difference. That said, while A-Jax is a stellar athlete, there's no saying he is going to turn out to be a stellar baseball player.
"Trade a player a year too early rather than a year too late" -- Branch Rickey
He's 22 going to be 23. Does he have much growing left? He's shown two years straight of mediocre OBP and below average SLG. I don't expect that to change much over the coming years. Is there a chance it does? Sure. However, the safe bet would be that it doesn't.
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Unless we are assuming that last year was in line with what we can expect, why do we think Curtis is going to be a low OBP player? I'm expecting around .360+ out of him this year. That is not low. It's not "high" but there is no reason to think AJax will be able to do that in the bigs.
I really expect Granderson to be .275-.290/.360-.370/.475ish.
Do people realize that despite hitting 30 homeruns last year his power was actually DOWN?
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Gardner is what 26 27? I don't think his upside is as good as Jackson's.
And didn't the Yankees say Granderson is playing CF not Gardner? At least that's what they're hinting at. They don't want to keep moving Granderson around. And perhaps feel Gardner is not an everyday player. Therefore don't want to start him in CF.
So they're going to see what Gardner can do in LF. That's a position that will be interchangeable all year with Winn, Thames/Hoffman and Gardner.
Something that people are overlloking here is Curtis's low OBP wasn't due to the lack of walking. He BB'd 72 times last year (one more than Johnny D), it was due to his BA.
He BB'd a career high last year, but he also had the lowest OBP of his career (full season).
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I think you're being misled by the fact that the Tigers are making Ajax their starting CFer. That doesn't mean that he's better than Gardner. The Tigers make bad decisions.
"First batter up well here's the pitch: it's a curve. Second batter up because the first got served"
Right which is why I don't get why we are talking about him as a low OBP player. Last year was pretty horrible. His hitting fell apart and it seems that his work on cutting the Ks blew up in his face. I don't think there is any reason think he'll be a crappy average hitter again.
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I don't disagree -- I think Cashman sold at the right time That said, when you compare the stats, I think the age difference matters -- I'd bet A-Jax would slug better than he did last year in AAA in a couple more years.
"Trade a player a year too early rather than a year too late" -- Branch Rickey
really? who? and with what money? they have a budget now, remember?
That guy on the Phillies who looks like Triple H is available.
The rest of us haven't seen these players all sweaty and in their underwear, so you'll need to be more specific Thebo.
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It's amazing to me that people refuse to look past one poor year for a guy who is 29. Granderson's '07 and '08 (OPS+ 135 and 123) were fantastic. This is like Swisher last year, where a bunch of folks couldn't get past a single bad year, and then were surprised when he performed to his career norms
"Trade a player a year too early rather than a year too late" -- Branch Rickey
Also add the fact that he won't be hitting against lefties much (if he fails early, I assume), and people should expect a modest raise in his numbers.
Like I said I hope I'm wrong and Granderson becomes a terrific player here. But I didn't like the trade. What else can I say.
I hope it has nothing to do with the fact that A-Jax and IPK are having good Springs.Like I said I hope I'm wrong and Granderson becomes a terrific player here. But I didn't like the trade. What else can I say.
Jayson Werth?
If you're talking about Werth, he looks more like Edge then Triple H.
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There is NO way the Yankees go into the season with 2/3 of their OF made up of players that have not yet started a full season in MLB (kind of brings back memories of starting IPK and Hughes in '08). It's just TOO much of a risk. We are built to win now and CG in the OF compared to AJax gives us a much better chance to repeat.
Is it "possible" that AJax becomes a better player than CG? Doubtful, but I guess possible, but I'm willing to live with that. I'm supportive of giving Gardner OR AJax a shot, but on a team built to win now, starting both AJax AND Gardner this year would have been irresponsible.
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This thread is amazing.
"I see Jesus Montero as a potential once-in-a-generation force on offense."
And Granderson is a better player than Swisher. I don't get the idea either that CG hasn't the upside of Jackson. Jackson prays that he ends up as good as Granderson. I liked AJax and would have been very happy if the Yanks kept him, but the odds that he's going to be as good as Granderson are not that good. Granderson is not old by any means and if he leaves in a few years, well - Heathcott is supposed to be the goods.
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There you go RB.
"I see Jesus Montero as a potential once-in-a-generation force on offense."
This post says it all.
IMO Melky, Gardner, & AJax were/are all temporary solutions who would be replaced as their arb years drove their salaries higher.
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You may be a smart 16 y.o,. regarding stats but, you must have missed the classes that taught manners.
16 pubes.
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I really did love AJax (not that I followed him all that much) based on what I heard about him - his youth, his attitude (everyone loves him) and the fact that the Yanks haven't developed a young position player (outside of Cano) in years. I would have loved seeing him develop, BUT...it's silly to see people giving updates on how he's doing in ST (I'm not saying here, but I've seen it all over). What's the point? To show that he's better than Granderson who hasn't had a great spring? It's not like the Yankees didn't think they were giving up a good prospect......or that he's never had good camps before; he had one last year.
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And whadaya get? Another day older and deeper in debt!
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SI article about the best core 4 talent. The result may surprise some, as it did me.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...urs/index.html
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I'm pretty sure Tim Marchman has yet to kiss a human girl.
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He should use a photo of Brad Pitt.
Diplomacy is the ability to tell a man to go to hell so that he looks forward to making the trip
"I see Jesus Montero as a potential once-in-a-generation force on offense."
Other than Santana not being on the Mets list, and Granderson being on the Yankee list. Nothing really surprised me.
Yea, that's an awkward omission.
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I was surprised Youk wasn't on the Red Sox list. I would put him before Martinez and the leprechaun.
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certainly over martinez. while the guy is a pain in the arse, he actually has some skills i admire.
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I must underrate Yadier - I thought Carpenter would be on the Cardinals list.
oh wow, i missed that one. good call.
Its not that Granderson is on the list in a most monumental stretch, but tell me why Jeter, Cano, Posada, Rivera are not on the list. Heck, I would have to pass Burnett and Pettitte to get to Granderson. He is not even on the core eight. Lets see him do something in the Bronx first. He might find it a bit different than Detroit. There are actually tens of thousands of people in the stands...every game!!!!
Distorting the facts does nothing to prove Granderson's a lesser player. The Tigers drew over 3 million 2 of the past 3 years and have averaged over 34k a game for the last 4 years.Its not that Granderson is on the list in a most monumental stretch, but tell me why Jeter, Cano, Posada, Rivera are not on the list. Heck, I would have to pass Burnett and Pettitte to get to Granderson. He is not even on the core eight. Lets see him do something in the Bronx first. He might find it a bit different than Detroit. There are actually tens of thousands of people in the stands...every game!!!!
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I think the article completely missed the point of why these particular four players are called the Core 4.
That article really made me realize how the Yankees have a relatively young core with Cano, Granderson, Sabathia, Tex, Hughes, Joba, and eventually Montero all being under 30. That's pretty good.
The best part is this quote:
"Want to know perhaps the most notable thing about this exercise? Jeter, Posada, Robinson Cano and Javier Vazquez would rank as the eighth-best quartet in baseball. That's the Yankee Way."
Damn it feels good to be a gangsta.
that article was st00pid.
"First batter up well here's the pitch: it's a curve. Second batter up because the first got served"
Probably pure speculation by Mark Feinsand but:
Joe Girardi wrote out what is expected to be his Opening Day lineup for last night's game against the Astros. Curtis Granderson was in left field and Brett Gardner in center.
Girardi said he was still evaluating where Granderson and Gardner were best-suited to play.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2010/03/17/2010-03-17_mo_debuts_and_puts_in_extra_effort.html#ixzz0iRBkiFsu
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