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    I don't understand why people have an issue with Girardi changing his number to 28. I think it's great.
    I don't.......I also think it's cute (though I probably would have given CG his #).
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    Quote Originally Posted by YESSIR!
    I don't understand why people have an issue with Girardi changing his number to 28. I think it's great.
    What's the point of changing the number? If we have won the 31st WS, should we unretire #32? Or later should we unretire #37?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gadvfreak99
    I except 32-35 homeruns, a 270 batting average and atleast 20 stolen bases.
    I think the power expectations for Granderson are getting too high. He hit 30 HRs last year, but it came at the expense of lower BA b/c of a increase in flyballs hit. I think 28-30 is more realistic if he expects to get a bounce in his BA.






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    Re: 2010 Curtis Granderson Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by kan_t
    What's the point of changing the number? If we have won the 31st WS, should we unretire #32? Or later should we unretire #37?
    We should be so lucky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YESSIR!
    I don't understand why people have an issue with Girardi changing his number to 28. I think it's great.
    No issue for me, but unless the manager is HOF players should trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArodIsSick
    I think the power expectations for Granderson are getting too high. He hit 30 HRs last year, but it came at the expense of lower BA b/c of a increase in flyballs hit. I think 28-30 is more realistic if he expects to get a bounce in his BA.
    Well, he had a .276 BABIP last year, but a xBABIP of like .304, so even with the same batted ball profile, we should still see an uptick in average to about .260-.270, and with the same batted ball profile, he'd definitley hit more homeruns (Yankee Stadium, duh), so a .265 BA and 35 hr with 20 SB is realistic

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    not sure if this was posted, from the times a few days ago, re granderson. the more you look, the more you like. cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeterForPresident
    It is gimmicky and pointless, not to mention selfish and petty. It would been just gimmicky and pointless if nobody on the team wanted 28, but once Granderson comes along, you can add selfish and petty.

    I am very disappointed in Girardi and the Yankees for letting this happen, and I really think the gimmicks should be left in Queens and not brough over to the Bronx.
    Wow dude, I just don't see it like this at all. Girardi defined choosing the #27 as a symbol of his mission of winning the Yankees a 27th World Championship. That mission doesn't stop when you're a Yankee. Now that #27 is in the record books, the mission is again clear: win #28. I love it that Joe is running with it.

    It is gimmicky, but I don't think that's always necessarily a bad thing. It's fun in this case. Calling it "petty" is just strange...and selfish? I might agree if he tried to hijack a veteran's number or something, but that's not the case. The number was basically free when Girardi decided he wanted it (it was Shelley Duncan's), and when Granderson came aboard he was totally receptive to choosing a different number. A good part of that probably had to do with the fact that he knew what Joe's intention's were, and he wasn't terribly invested in having it.

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    I had a dream last night of Sterling's call for Granderson. It was very racist.
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    What if Girardi wins us 10 championships but changes numbers every time he does. Since he would deserve it, which one of his numbers gets retired? All of them?

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    What if Girardi wins us 10 championships but changes numbers every time he does. Since he would deserve it, which one of his numbers gets retired? All of them?
    Never thought of that. Hopefully it does become an issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bern51
    What if Girardi wins us 10 championships but changes numbers every time he does. Since he would deserve it, which one of his numbers gets retired? All of them?
    In that case I'd say either his first or last number gets retired. 27 or 36.
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    granderson anecdote >>

    i am hanging here with my brother in law, one of his good friends is best buddies w granderson, as in childhood friends from chicago since they were 7 ....... (he had dinner w granderson after the NYY press conference). message to NYY fans:

    granderson is genuinely TOTALLY PUMPED to be coming to the yanks. most exxxxxxxxxxxxxxcellent...............

    there was also some talk about grandy hitting leadoff, tho this may have come from the friend. dassit. cheers

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    Re: 2010 Curtis Granderson Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by JSG
    granderson anecdote >>

    i am hanging here with my brother in law, one of his good friends is best buddies w granderson, as in childhood friends from chicago since they were 7 ....... (he had dinner w granderson after the NYY press conference). message to NYY fans:

    granderson is genuinely TOTALLY PUMPED to be coming to the yanks. most exxxxxxxxxxxxxxcellent...............

    there was also some talk about grandy hitting leadoff, tho this may have come from the friend. dassit. cheers
    That's nice, but I don't want to see him hitting leadoff at all. Jeter is so much better at it then him, and his power is relatively wasted up there. I think it's idiotic to bat him 1st. The slight speed advantage you are getting is outweighed by his average being 50 points lower than Jeters, and his power (his best trait) is better suited for #5 or even 6.
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    Leadoff might not be too bad for him, but Jeter in the #2 is a concern. He just goes right to ground-ball mode with a runner on 1B for some reason. He's good for leadoff when Jeter has a day off.
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    Re: 2010 Curtis Granderson Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by JSG
    granderson anecdote >>

    i am hanging here with my brother in law, one of his good friends is best buddies w granderson, as in childhood friends from chicago since they were 7 ....... (he had dinner w granderson after the NYY press conference). message to NYY fans:

    granderson is genuinely TOTALLY PUMPED to be coming to the yanks. most exxxxxxxxxxxxxxcellent...............

    there was also some talk about grandy hitting leadoff, tho this may have come from the friend. dassit. cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisNY
    That's nice, but I don't want to see him hitting leadoff at all. Jeter is so much better at it then him, and his power is relatively wasted up there. I think it's idiotic to bat him 1st. The slight speed advantage you are getting is outweighed by his average being 50 points lower than Jeters, and his power (his best trait) is better suited for #5 or even 6.
    i agree, i like granderson in the #6 spot most likely. posada 5, cano 7, swish 8. jeter 1, nick 2.

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    Re: 2010 Curtis Granderson Performance Thread

    Jeter-Johnson-Tex-A-Rod-Posada-Granderson-Cano-Swisher-Gardbrera.

    The only interchangeable items in that are Posada and Granderson when facing an RHP, I'd say. That said, against a righty, it would be A-Rod(R)-Posada(L)-Granderson(R)-Cano(L) as opposed to A-Rod(R)-Granderson(R)-Posada(L)-Cano(L)-Swisher(L), which makes me imagine Girardi will go with Posada-Granderson as opposed to Granderson-Posada (and given Grandy's splits, there's no way he can hit 5th against lefties, of course).

    But OBP Jesus has to hit 2nd. I don't want Jeter hitting after him given his GIDP tendencies (and the speed difference between the two factors in there as well), so it has to be Jeter-Johnson instead of Johnson-Jeter, IMO.

    I don't think Grandy fits extremely well in the 2 slot in this lineup, personally. Maybe when Nick has the day off, but I'd still put Swisher in the 2 hole before him. Granderson's power lends itself to hitting after Tex, A-Rod, and Posada very well though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NYYRules#1
    Jeter-Johnson-Tex-A-Rod-Posada-Granderson-Cano-Swisher-Gardbrera.

    The only interchangeable items in that are Posada and Granderson when facing an RHP, I'd say. That said, against a righty, it would be A-Rod(R)-Posada(L)-Granderson(R)-Cano(L) as opposed to A-Rod(R)-Granderson(R)-Posada(L)-Cano(L)-Swisher(L), which makes me imagine Girardi will go with Posada-Granderson as opposed to Granderson-Posada (and given Grandy's splits, there's no way he can hit 5th against lefties, of course).

    But OBP Jesus has to hit 2nd. I don't want Jeter hitting after him given his GIDP tendencies (and the speed difference between the two factors in there as well), so it has to be Jeter-Johnson instead of Johnson-Jeter, IMO.

    I don't think Grandy fits extremely well in the 2 slot in this lineup, personally. Maybe when Nick has the day off, but I'd still put Swisher in the 2 hole before him. Granderson's power lends itself to hitting after Tex, A-Rod, and Posada very well though.
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    Re: 2010 Curtis Granderson Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by delv
    Granderson is a lefty, not a righty.
    This is what happens when you're dead tired on a Saturday night in the middle of a gigantic snowstorm.

    (Of course, if Grandy was a righty, we wouldn't be having any discussion about Grandy hitting lefties. Brainfart notwithstanding, I still think Girardi will wind up hitting Posada before Grandy.)
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    I don't understand why everyone wants Cano ahead of Swisher. Don't you want the higher OBP guy ahead of the higher average guy?

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    Last 3 seasons vs. lefties:
    Granderson: .202/.261/.309/.570
    Cabrera: .245/.315/.352/.667

    Melky is going to get a few starts in center vs. some lefties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jobasfistpump62
    I don't understand why everyone wants Cano ahead of Swisher. Don't you want the higher OBP guy ahead of the higher average guy?

    Because Cano can't hit with men on base to save his life, it makes it difficult to give him a concrete spot in the lineup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 89FoxBody
    Because Cano can't hit with men on base to save his life, it makes it difficult to give him a concrete spot in the lineup.
    Cano progressed quite nicely last year after being completely lost the year before when he lost his mentor and disciplinarian as Bowa followed Torre to LA. He worked hard over last winter and came to camp ready to play. Does he still have some flaws in his game? Sure, but I do believe he is aware of them and now has shown an ability for self motivation and improvement that will enable him to keep progressing and working on eliminating those flaws.

    I expect just like 2008 was an aberation year as far as his overall average that was vastly improved upon in 2009, likewise I believe we will see a nice progression in his ability to knock in runs with RISP in 2010. And I wouldn't discount the possibility of Robbie having a monster year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bub
    Last 3 seasons vs. lefties:
    Granderson: .202/.261/.309/.570
    Cabrera: .245/.315/.352/.667

    Melky is going to get a few starts in center vs. some lefties.
    brett hit .291 against lefties with a .381 OBP. of course it was only over 55 ABs.
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    brett hit .291 against lefties with a .381 OBP. of course it was only over 55 ABs.
    That works too. Maybe somebody can help Curtis with the lefties. Paul O'Neill couldn't hit lefties to save his life before he came here but learned to pull them hard. If not though, there's no way I'd keep him in a starting lineup if there are 2 better offensive choices who can also play center.
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    i like curtis in the 5th spot, though i'd be ok with him in the top 2 against righties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajra21
    i like curtis in the 5th spot, though i'd be ok with him in the top 2 against righties.
    6th probably better, and maybe #2 when nick sits/matchups. don't want to make it easy to walk a rod and bring in a lefty at crunch time if he hits #5.

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    6th probably better, and maybe #2 when nick sits/matchups. don't want to make it easy to walk a rod and bring in a lefty at crunch time if he hits #5.
    I can see this happening a lot late in games. In order to keep the lefties in the pen when CG is up in a critical spot we need a RH goon on the bench who eats lefties. We don't have much of that right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bub
    I can see this happening a lot late in games. In order to keep the lefties in the pen when CG is up in a critical spot we need a RH goon on the bench who eats lefties. We don't have much of that right now.
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    When I hear the word "goon", Jonny Gomes comes to mind.



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    Re: 2010 Curtis Granderson Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Blazer
    When I hear the word "goon", Jonny Gomes comes to mind.
    There was a time when he'd be the perfect fit. I thought Shelley Duncan could play that role but he didn't quite work out. There has to be somebody out there - big RH bat, can't hit righties or get out of his own way....a real junkyard dog type.
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    Re: 2010 Curtis Granderson Performance Thread

    so far granderson seems to be performing very well..

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    Given our poor starts in April/May last few years, his good hitting then, hopefully along with Swish - should carry us until our core guys hit peak production
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bub
    There was a time when he'd be the perfect fit. I thought Shelley Duncan could play that role but he didn't quite work out. There has to be somebody out there - big RH bat, can't hit righties or get out of his own way....a real junkyard dog type.
    I personally think he'd still be a good fit, and he's available (he was non-tendered by the Reds). 0.914 OPS against lefties last year, his defense is still horrible but to my knowledge it's not any worse than it has been in the past. I wouldn't be against giving him a one-year deal.

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    i think he's goes against the whole roser flexibility mantra that cashman has been preaching

    the last 2 spots on the roster will be athletic types in all likelihood
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    Re: 2010 Curtis Granderson Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by flymick24
    i think he's goes against the whole roser flexibility mantra that cashman has been preaching

    the last 2 spots on the roster will be athletic types in all likelihood
    You may very well be right... At the same time though, you figure unless they do something insane like decide to carry 3 catchers or 13 pitchers, you've got four bench spots (with Gardner the starter in LF). Out of those four spots, you have:

    Backup C - Cervelli
    Utility IFer/Emergency OFer - Pena
    4th or 5th OFer - Hoffman

    You have two guys who can pinch run, Hoffman can play anywhere in the OF, and Pena can play either middle IF spot or 3B. I feel like it would be smart to have one big bat off the bench, and given the makeup of the starting lineup, it seems like you'd want it to be someone who hits lefties.

    I know Reed Johnson has come up, and he'd be a good fit too (actually a better fit from the perspective of creating roster flexibility).

    Come to think of it, with our top 4 starters all being inning eaters, is it really necessary to carry 12 pitchers? Doesn't that just give Girardi more opportunities to get cute with the BP? It seems like having an extra guy on the bench would be more valuable than having a guy like Tomko pitch once every two weeks.

    EDIT: I realized after I posted that I probably misunderstood the point you were making in terms of roster flexibility. Nonetheless, I think the point still stands if they do decide to go with 11 pitchers instead of 12 (which they probably won't)

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    you need 12 pitchers. 13 is too many and 11 probably isn't enough.
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    Re: 2010 Curtis Granderson Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by The Comic Book Guy
    You may very well be right... At the same time though, you figure unless they do something insane like decide to carry 3 catchers or 13 pitchers, you've got four bench spots (with Gardner the starter in LF). Out of those four spots, you have:

    Backup C - Cervelli
    Utility IFer/Emergency OFer - Pena
    4th or 5th OFer - Hoffman

    You have two guys who can pinch run, Hoffman can play anywhere in the OF, and Pena can play either middle IF spot or 3B. I feel like it would be smart to have one big bat off the bench, and given the makeup of the starting lineup, it seems like you'd want it to be someone who hits lefties.

    I know Reed Johnson has come up, and he'd be a good fit too (actually a better fit from the perspective of creating roster flexibility).

    Come to think of it, with our top 4 starters all being inning eaters, is it really necessary to carry 12 pitchers? Doesn't that just give Girardi more opportunities to get cute with the BP? It seems like having an extra guy on the bench would be more valuable than having a guy like Tomko pitch once every two weeks.

    EDIT: I realized after I posted that I probably misunderstood the point you were making in terms of roster flexibility. Nonetheless, I think the point still stands if they do decide to go with 11 pitchers instead of 12 (which they probably won't)
    The problem is that the pen gets burnt out quickly with too much work and becomes ineffective. Then you start needing more relievers to get through a game and they become even less effective. It's a bad cycle. Our pen really isn't in any sort of shape to take much abuse, especially if one starter gets hurt or is ineffective and Hughes moves to the rotation.
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    nice article. he just seems like a really solid dude.

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    That was an amazing interview - thanks for posting.

    CG is going to be fantastic, on and off the field. He's very well-spoke and he certainly is aware of the pitfalls of NY. He's right about the lodgings being a tad more expensive than in Detroit, unfortunately, lol
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