2010 General Rules Discussion

[YanksRockMan]

Please post any concerns/suggestions you may have regarding to the rules we have in place now. If there's a lot of people agreeing/disagreeing on a particular issue I will put it up to a vote when everyone is signed up for next year.

[Stupid Flanders]

This was suggested last year but I think the league champion should get a free buyin the next year with everyone else contributing $1 extra

[The FUTURE]

This was suggested last year but I think the league champion should get a free buyin the next year with everyone else contributing $1 extra

sorry i am a cheap ass.....i vote no to this one

[JDPNYY]

This was suggested last year but I think the league champion should get a free buyin the next year with everyone else contributing $1 extra

Again, I think this is a great idea and I'd be happy to pay $1.00 extra.

[YanksRockMan]

If a moderator could please sticky this thread it would be great. That way it would provide members of the league easy access to find a place to discuss potential rule changes.

[The FUTURE]

if i am paying 1.00 extra dollar then i demand we increase the minor league roster spots from 5 to 10. I just like the idea of having a top 10 just like the real life major league teams do and I think this would increase the activity in the league becasue people would always be searching for a good prospect to improve their team or their minor or improve their big league team with their minors via trades.

[patrick.o]

i demand

Interesting technique. Good luck with that.

[Soriambi]

This was suggested last year but I think the league champion should get a free buyin the next year with everyone else contributing $1 extra

I forget if I commented on this last year, but it seems like a solid idea. It would be a nice reward for winning a very tough league.

[miko]

I forget if I commented on this last year, but it seems like a solid idea. It would be a nice reward for winning a very tough league.

Just like the luxury tax and revenue sharing in MLB being designed to screw the Yanks this extra fee is meant to deter international (Canadian) teams from participating. I will however play your silly game and pony up the $1.03 US$ to remain in the league.

[YanksRockMan]

I will bring this issue up (champion gets a free buyin the next year) to a vote in the middle of January. The issue The Future brought out regarding amount of mL Keepers allotted to each team is intriguing since I've always felt that maybe we could add two or three Minor Leaguers to each team since there are generally more than 5 good minor leaguers on each team in real life, but this is fantasy, so that point may be moot. What do y'all think?

[Big_E]

I think 5 is a good number, because we only get 4 ML keepers. So having more mL players won't help much, since once they get to the majors, you'd have to keep them with a ML keeper. And since there's always a ML player or two who you got for a steal and want to keep, what good is it having 3, 4 or more mL players who need to be kept with a ML keeper, if you can't keep them all?

Plus, it reduces the number of rookies available on the Free Agent market once the season starts, since instead of there being 100 mL players on rosters, there would be 200.

I would rather increase bench spots and/or DL spots, than mL spots.

[JDPNYY]

I agree with Big_E.

[YanksRockMan]

I think 5 is a good number, because we only get 4 ML keepers. So having more mL players won't help much, since once they get to the majors, you'd have to keep them with a ML keeper. And since there's always a ML player or two who you got for a steal and want to keep, what good is it having 3, 4 or more mL players who need to be kept with a ML keeper, if you can't keep them all?

Plus, it reduces the number of rookies available on the Free Agent market once the season starts, since instead of there being 100 mL players on rosters, there would be 200.

I would rather increase bench spots and/or DL spots, than mL spots.

I agree, except we get 5 ML keepers.

Maybe the more pressing issue is to increase the amount of DL spots?

[The FUTURE]

I think 5 is a good number, because we only get 4 ML keepers. So having more mL players won't help much, since once they get to the majors, you'd have to keep them with a ML keeper. And since there's always a ML player or two who you got for a steal and want to keep, what good is it having 3, 4 or more mL players who need to be kept with a ML keeper, if you can't keep them all?

Plus, it reduces the number of rookies available on the Free Agent market once the season starts, since instead of there being 100 mL players on rosters, there would be 200.

I would rather increase bench spots and/or DL spots, than mL spots.

Yes, when a mL player made it up to the majors, you couldn't keep him the next season, unless they were an elite prospect, but that's not the point of having 10 mL spots. I love the idea of somebody building their minor league system up and being able to improve themselves from within as players get called up during the season. It makes things more realistic. You act like mL players get called up everyday, many of you guys have had the same mL players for almost 3 full season. I realize it would be a lot of extra players that some people think might be pointless, and thats fine if they think that, there is no rule stating how many mL you have to have on your roster. I just think it would make the league more interesting and life-like as well as increase the activity in the league through managers searching to improve their minors & more trades and such to improve either their major or minor league team.

[The FUTURE]

Interesting technique. Good luck with that.

i was being sarcastic haha

[JDPNYY]

i was being sarcastic haha

Explain sarcastic?

[The FUTURE]

Explain sarcastic?

well lets just say I have no power at all to be making any demands.

[JDPNYY]

well lets just say I have no power at all to be making any demands.

Does the tongue sticking out smilie indicate a sarcastic post?

[Soriambi]

I also think that five is enough minor leaguers.

[The FUTURE]

Does the tongue sticking out smilie indicate a sarcastic post?

no it indicates me indicating that i have little say so here, but I promise you, I'm going to suggest it every off-season just because I think it would make this league that much better, and that's saying something considering how fun & competitive it already is.

[JDPNYY]

no it indicates me indicating that i have little say so here, but I promise you, I'm going to suggest it every off-season just because I think it would make this league that much better, and that's saying something considering how fun & competitive it already is.

Oh

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[machphantom]

I know this prolly is a stupid idea, but I was wondering if prospective owners who don't get the call up could start a "B-League." Though to be honest, I don't know if there would be enough interest for such a league. Is that something that the ownership would be interested in pursuing? Thanks so much!

[patrick.o]

I know this prolly is a stupid idea, but I was wondering if prospective owners who don't get the call up could start a "B-League." Though to be honest, I don't know if there would be enough interest for such a league. Is that something that the ownership would be interested in pursuing? Thanks so much!

We've discussed and eventually dismissed the idea in the past, mainly because it would take literally years for most people to get 'called up' to the A league, and by then you've already developed your own league rivalries and joining us has no charm. Also, we can barely take care of ourselves without killing each other as it is, nevermind adding a bunch of new voices to the fray!

If anyone wants to start a league based on our rules I'd be happy to post them for you (they're great rules). The only difference is that this part of the site is just for us. We'll even trade you miko.

[JDPNYY]

We've discussed and eventually dismissed the idea in the past, mainly because it would take literally years for most people to get 'called up' to the A league, and by then you've already developed your own league rivalries and joining us has no charm. Also, we can barely take care of ourselves without killing each other as it is, nevermind adding a bunch of new voices to the fray!

If anyone wants to start a league based on our rules I'd be happy to post them for you (they're great rules). The only difference is that this part of the site is just for us. We'll even trade you miko.

It was a pretty good idea I thought. The forumer who came up with the plan presented a well thought out league. Majority ruled, it never saw the light of day.

[Saxmania]

I've always thought it was a nice idea - an owner could always turn down a 'call up' to the A league and let someone else have the spot. I think the question is whether you can assemble enough owners to make it worthwhile.

I'd join, assuming I don't get into the original league in 2010.

Be seeing you,

Saxmania

[Big_E]

I know this prolly is a stupid idea, but I was wondering if prospective owners who don't get the call up could start a "B-League." Though to be honest, I don't know if there would be enough interest for such a league. Is that something that the ownership would be interested in pursuing? Thanks so much!

Actually, that's how the Auction League started...but it doesn't follow the same rules as this league.

[Stupid Flanders]

Prospective owners who were formerly league members should get "timed served" credit for the years they were owners when looking to rejoin.

[machphantom]

Fair enough, I can see that Patrick does a fantastic job and the last thing I would want to do is overburden him with the task of managing yet another league. If we wanted to start up something independently, what site would you recommend?

[YanksRockMan]

Prospective owners who were formerly league members should get "timed served" credit for the years they were owners when looking to rejoin.

I agree. It's probably too late to place something in that nature in effect for this year, but we could figure something out for the next couple years.

[YanksRockMan]

Any suggestions for point/rule changes? Please only suggest something if you have committed for this year.

[miko]

Any suggestions for point/rule changes? Please only suggest something if you have committed for this year.

After years and years and years of bitching and complaining I think we might have everything just about covered. I can't say that I won't have opinions about rule changes but personally I don't have any rule changes to propose other than giving my team an automatic spot in the finals - not sure if that one will fly though.

[Big_E]

Any suggestions for point/rule changes? Please only suggest something if you have committed for this year.

I would make my annual plea to eliminate the strike out bonus for pitchers, if only to annoy Miko...

[patrick.o]

What about our tie breaker rule? We decided to play "extra innings" in the playoffs (an 8th day). Should we do that in the regular season, too, to avoid ties?

[YanksRockMan]

What about our tie breaker rule? We decided to play "extra innings" in the playoffs (an 8th day). Should we do that in the regular season, too, to avoid ties?

Interesting. I really would like to get rid of ties and this would possibly be the best remedy (home field advantage be damned). I'll put it into a vote after everyone has signed up and paid.

[miko]

I would make my annual plea to eliminate the strike out bonus for pitchers, if only to annoy Miko...

Consider it done and done. I would like to counter that with eliminating the hit bonus for hitters as well.

[gdn]

I had an idea about mLers called up, but then sent back down. I'll try to find it.

[ChrisRo]

Any idea where I can find the rules? Being a newbie and all, I think the constitution would be very helpful

[Big_E]

Any idea where I can find the rules? Being a newbie and all, I think the constitution would be very helpful

http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread.php?t=88661

(sorry for not answering you before...work has been _____)

[ChrisRo]

I have a question about moving players to/from the minor league spots. For example - Strasburg has been picked up in the major league draft, but he has rookie eligibility and might start the season in the minors. Can he be moved to a minor league slot? Also - if I move a player from my minors to the active squad, can I move him back - if he still retains rookie eligibility, that is?

And about IR spots... I remember in the auction league we had 7 days to activate a player that has been moved in real life from the IR to the squad. Is it the same here?

[patrick.o]

I have a question about moving players to/from the minor league spots. For example - Strasburg has been picked up in the major league draft, but he has rookie eligibility and might start the season in the minors. Can he be moved to a minor league slot? Also - if I move a player from my minors to the active squad, can I move him back - if he still retains rookie eligibility, that is?

And about IR spots... I remember in the auction league we had 7 days to activate a player that has been moved in real life from the IR to the squad. Is it the same here?

mL rule is that if the guy is in the real life minors and has <50IP and/or <130AB you can put him on your minors bench. If he gets called up you can leave him in your minors for the whole season if you like. If you bring him up you can only send him back down if he goes back down in real life and still meets the IP/AB requirements.

Strasburg will start the season in the minors and as such can be moved there in our league and then can be left there all year whether he gets called up or not and whether he passes 50 IP or not. Chapman will start the season in the majors and cannot be put in our minors, unless he gets sent down before he reaches 50 IP.

[Soriambi]

mL rule is that if the guy is in the real life minors and has <50IP and/or <130AB you can put him on your minors bench. If he gets called up you can leave him in your minors for the whole season if you like. If you bring him up you can only send him back down if he goes back down in real life and still meets the IP/AB requirements.

Strasburg will start the season in the minors and as such can be moved there in our league and then can be left there all year whether he gets called up or not and whether he passes 50 IP or not. Chapman will start the season in the majors and cannot be put in our minors, unless he gets sent down before he reaches 50 IP.

It should also be noted that even if they're in your minor league system, they must be kept as major league keepers since they were picked in the major league draft.

[Hitman23]

sunuvabitch I always thought you needed to promote the player once they reached the stats. I had no idea you could stash the entire season. Kinda wish I'd read the constitution a little better. Grumble.

[miko]

sunuvabitch I always thought you needed to promote the player once they reached the stats. I had no idea you could stash the entire season. Kinda wish I'd read the constitution a little better. Grumble.

Doesn't surprise me after you passed up on Utley. You have a U spot you could fill ya know.

[Hitman23]

Doesn't surprise me after you passed up on Utley. You have a U spot you could fill ya know.

Look man I took Howard. There is no way I'm selecting a first round player for utility, the deepest position in fantasy baseball, when I can fill a need in another area with an equal player. In most circumstances Utley is way more valuable considering 2b vs 1b but since my 2b was filled with a top 3 or 4 guy I'm not handcuffing myself. Utley's value as a 2B only remains in trade. Not for my team.

Don't be silly Miko.

[miko]

Look man I took Howard. There is no way I'm selecting a first round player for utility, the deepest position in fantasy baseball, when I can fill a need in another area with an equal player. In most circumstances Utley is way more valuable considering 2b vs 1b but since my 2b was filled with a top 3 or 4 guy I'm not handcuffing myself. Utley's value as a 2B only remains in trade. Not for my team.

Don't be silly Miko.

I just think Howard was a worse pick that Utley.

[Hitman23]

I just think Howard was a worse pick that Utley.

When 2B is a position that you need of course. Without taking into account position depth I disagree. They will prob both end up with similar point toals. Even if Utley outscores Howard by 50 points thats 2 a week and again I'm not going to handcuff myself.

[miko]

When 2B is a position that you need of course. Without taking into account position depth I disagree. They will prob both end up with similar point toals. Even if Utley outscores Howard by 50 points thats 2 a week and again I'm not going to handcuff myself.

What if you lose every game by 2 points a week?

[The FUTURE]

What if you lose every game by 2 points a week?

What if YOU lose every game by 2 points a week MIKO

[miko]

What if YOU lose every game by 2 points a week MIKO

Then I will make 3 trades a week until I win a game!

[Hitman23]

What if you lose every game by 2 points a week?

Well then you can laugh at me for passing on Utley.