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    They're Using Reverse Mojo!!!!111


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    I think they all picked the Yanks to win the ALDS too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PinstripePride
    They're Using Reverse Mojo!!!!111
    That could be the only logical explanation.

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    we're dooooomed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by nhyankeefan
    I think they all picked the Yanks to win the ALDS too.
    they did, hopefully their luck holds again

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    My love for Olney just increased.
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    Yes yes let's ignore page2. This surely proves it. You're so objectif SubwayFanatic.
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    No sweep? Idiots.
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    This is a pretty positive cartoon from Page2 as well...
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    Watching SportsCenter this morning, The Lead on the bottom line said "Angels look to avenge Game 1 loss, tie ALCS." I bet if the Angels had won Game 1 the headline would be "Angels look to head to Los Angeles up 2-0 on the Yankees."

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    Quote Originally Posted by bcom33
    My love for Olney just increased.
    Buster is a Yankee fan...I like reading what he has to say about baseball

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    I saw this in the reader comments to the ESPN.com article by Jerry Crasnick on last night's game:

    "Typical ESPN article. The Angels throw the game away and the article is all about the Yankees achievement."

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    Quote Originally Posted by SubwayFanatic
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    What a joke. If they weren't so biased, they'd all be predicting sweeps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YankeesFanJS
    Buster is a Yankee fan...I like reading what he has to say about baseball
    Actually, Buster grew up a huge Dodgers fan.

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    I don't see why you are so upset with ESPN's bias against the Yankees or Joe Morgan's similar bias or anyone else' sports bias.
    Hey you and I and most people here are very biased towards the Yankees. If we are biased, and we are, why can't we allow others to be biased?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nome
    I don't see why you are so upset with ESPN's bias against the Yankees or Joe Morgan's similar bias or anyone else' sports bias.
    Hey you and I and most people here are very biased towards the Yankees. If we are biased, and we are, why can't we allow others to be biased?

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    Probably b/c the play-by-play/reporters make a living from this and they are supposed to be neutral. We are fans, who follow our teams for leisure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRNXBMRS
    Probably b/c the play-by-play/reporters make a living from this and they are supposed to be neutral. We are fans, who follow our teams for leisure.
    Hey, I was brought up on Mel Allen and later Phil Rizzutto. Tell me that they weren't biased and we loved it.

    When Red Barber and later Vince Sculley were Dodger announcers they were certainly biased and their fans loved. Reporters have always had biases wether they are paid by a team or supposedly independant. They all have biases, and that goes for every sport.
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    National sports broadcasters shouldn't be biased. They are broadcasting for a diverse audience, one that includes passionate fans for each competing team, and lots of fans who are neutral. Rooting for one team or the other would affect the quality of the broadcast.

    A team broadcaster is a different animal. His or her audience is biased and wants a sympathetic broadcaster who, at the very least, likes their team. No fan wants any broadcaster, local team or national, to give a biased account of the game. If your team is playing poorly - you want the broadcaster to note it. If a player on the other team makes a great catch, you want it accurately called. As long as an announcer details the game action accurately, there is nothing wrong, IMO, with said annouoncer having a rooting interest in the team he or she is covering. One thing I like about John Sterling is that he will kill The Yankees as a whole, or individual players, for poor performances, or bonehead plays, yet he roots for The Yankees. You can tell he is a Yankee fan. (Too bad he is terrible at calling plays - not because of bias - more because ineptness.)

    National broadcasters, at the very least, should state their bias up front, if they have one. For instance, Joe Buck could say, "I was raised a Cardinal fan." and then begin the broadcast. And under no circumstances should they be rooting for either team or competitor to win.

    What most of us object to is uneven reporting. I've heard Tim McCarver for years and he always seems to favor the other team. I don't say that about every one. I happen to think Ron Darling was very fair. I also happen to think Joe Morgan has become surprisingly fair. The fact that he still thinks no one can touch The Big Red Machine is a flaw for which listeners can compensate. Joe Buck - he just likes to make smug remarks about anyone and anything he can think of. He and McCarver are the worst.

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    Re: Oh great -- more ESPN bias!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Nome
    I don't see why you are so upset with ESPN's bias against the Yankees or Joe Morgan's similar bias or anyone else' sports bias.
    Hey you and I and most people here are very biased towards the Yankees. If we are biased, and we are, why can't we allow others to be biased?

    Andy
    We dont talk and analyze on a national level. They should be held to a higher standard of partiality because it is their job and people rely on their information. We do not and should not have that burden.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nome
    Hey, I was brought up on Mel Allen and later Phil Rizzutto. Tell me that they weren't biased and we loved it.

    When Red Barber and later Vince Sculley were Dodger announcers they were certainly biased and their fans loved. Reporters have always had biases wether they are paid by a team or supposedly independant. They all have biases, and that goes for every sport.
    But they were local broadcasters, not national ones. Their is a very significant difference there even if you do wish to acknowledge it and then ignore it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nome
    Hey, I was brought up on Mel Allen and later Phil Rizzutto. Tell me that they weren't biased and we loved it.

    When Red Barber and later Vince Sculley were Dodger announcers they were certainly biased and their fans loved. Reporters have always had biases wether they are paid by a team or supposedly independant. They all have biases, and that goes for every sport.
    A simple way to solve the national broadcaster issue is have one announcer from each team call the game together, than we would have nothing to talk/complain about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MooseDaGun
    Watching SportsCenter this morning, The Lead on the bottom line said "Angels look to avenge Game 1 loss, tie ALCS." I bet if the Angels had won Game 1 the headline would be "Angels look to head to Los Angeles up 2-0 on the Yankees."
    Yeah, things like this bother me too but then I realize that if they didn't view it this way, what would be the headline? Would this draw any attention:

    "As expected, Yanks win"

    See what I'm sayin'? Once the Yanks win, they'll praise them as they should. But for now, they're going to openly "root" for the underdog because it's the better story. It's false hope , but it's still the better story.

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    Shiver me timbers!!! That's a fun article.
    Let the kids play.

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    The 5th inning home run wasn't off Kazmir as the article states.

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    It continues!

    Whatever the result may be, I don't think this is going 7 games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chelloveck
    It continues!

    Whatever the result may be, I don't think this is going 7 games.
    7 games is a safe bet, no one goes out on a limb.

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    This is the first time I'm hoping Neyer is right.
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    ESPN is more about commentary than reporting the news....
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    Did anyone else see Kruk's reaction when Bobby Valentine picked the Yankees on Sunday? He gave Valentine a disgusted look and then told him, "I hope somebody hires you soon." If he was kidding, it sure did not come across that way. Strangely enough, that part of BBTN wasn't shown in the later broadcast. Valentine was looking off to the side with a tight-lipped smile, but he was not thrilled with Kruk's comment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 35Knucklecurve
    Did anyone else see Kruk's reaction when Bobby Valentine picked the Yankees on Sunday? He gave Valentine a disgusted look and then told him, "I hope somebody hires you soon." If he was kidding, it sure did not come across that way. Strangely enough, that part of BBTN wasn't shown in the later broadcast. Valentine was looking off to the side with a tight-lipped smile, but he was not thrilled with Kruk's comment.
    Kruk's reason for picking the Phillies was that the Yankees haven't seen a high powered offense like THIS in the postseason! Crazyness. First of all, the Angels offense offers fewer power threats, but is arguably just as good if not better at scoring runs, and they're at least just a strong depth-wise. Secondly, the exact same thing applies to the Phillies in spades! They faced two comparatively inferior offenses than what the Yankees bring to the table. So how is this the deciding factor tilting things in their favor? /boggle

    Bobby Valentine on his worst day >>> Kruk

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    Quote Originally Posted by 35Knucklecurve
    Did anyone else see Kruk's reaction when Bobby Valentine picked the Yankees on Sunday? He gave Valentine a disgusted look and then told him, "I hope somebody hires you soon." If he was kidding, it sure did not come across that way. Strangely enough, that part of BBTN wasn't shown in the later broadcast. Valentine was looking off to the side with a tight-lipped smile, but he was not thrilled with Kruk's comment.
    I saw it, pretty funny and if there was ANY doubt about Kruk there is no more. Then he went on to counter with saying that ... the Phillies are a very "special" team.

    I laughed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PinstripePride
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    !!!! that, plus garden variety bias mojo as all except olney extend it beyond 5 games. i think only buster has it right !!!! cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRNXBMRS
    A simple way to solve the national broadcaster issue is have one announcer from each team call the game together, than we would have nothing to talk/complain about.
    I've been saying this for a long time. Many years ago, during the WS games the lead broadcaster from each team would split the calling of the games and I always felt this was a fair way to do it. I guess FOX and ESPN feel that they have to use their announcers who are under contract to them be the major announcers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 35Knucklecurve
    Did anyone else see Kruk's reaction when Bobby Valentine picked the Yankees on Sunday? He gave Valentine a disgusted look and then told him, "I hope somebody hires you soon." If he was kidding, it sure did not come across that way. Strangely enough, that part of BBTN wasn't shown in the later broadcast. Valentine was looking off to the side with a tight-lipped smile, but he was not thrilled with Kruk's comment.
    little late on this but I saw it and felt exactly the same way as you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YESSIR!
    Kruk's reason for picking the Phillies was that the Yankees haven't seen a high powered offense like THIS in the postseason! Crazyness. First of all, the Angels offense offers fewer power threats, but is arguably just as good if not better at scoring runs, and they're at least just a strong depth-wise. Secondly, the exact same thing applies to the Phillies in spades! They faced two comparatively inferior offenses than what the Yankees bring to the table. So how is this the deciding factor tilting things in their favor? /boggle

    Bobby Valentine on his worst day >>> Kruk
    Kruk as a player had his best years when he was with the Phillies, so his homerism really isn't that surprising to me.

    However, this incident with Valentine does seem very unprofessional.
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    Kruk was hilarious on BBTN after game 3. He looked like he was about to explode and made a complete fool out of himself. Very entertaining stuff. He looked and sounded exactly like a drunk fan after their team goes up by 3 runs only to get punched out and ended up losing by 3. Really, really pissed off looking to take it out on the Umps for making a right call.

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    I wonder if Kruk has the sand out of his vagina yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldYankeeFan
    Kruk was hilarious on BBTN after game 3. He looked like he was about to explode and made a complete fool out of himself. Very entertaining stuff. He looked and sounded exactly like a drunk fan after their team goes up by 3 runs only to get punched out and ended up losing by 3. Really, really pissed off looking to take it out on the Umps for making a right call.

    ESPN at it's best.
    Yeah I just posted about this in the umpire thread. His comments reminded me of one of those malcontents who show up to town hall meetings full of piss and vinegar but no substance to their argument. It's just ranting for the sake of ranting to push an agenda. He sounded like a cranky old drunk fool.
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    Watching the pre-game stuff on MLB network. Feels like this show is a local Philadelphia production. Just watching interviews with Luzinski, Ryan Madson and Brad Lidge. Then a discussion about getting Lidge into a game with Barry Larkin saying, "hopefully it will be in a game where the Phils have a lead late in the game". I don't watch the MLB network all that much but this is a bit tough to take. Now, talking about Joe Blanton's homer last year. In the last 15 minutes, they have not mentioned the Yanks.

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    It's ok. They'll be talking about them for a few months until Opening Day. =)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Steve
    Watching the pre-game stuff on MLB network. Feels like this show is a local Philadelphia production. Just watching interviews with Luzinski, Ryan Madson and Brad Lidge. Then a discussion about getting Lidge into a game with Barry Larkin saying, "hopefully it will be in a game where the Phils have a lead late in the game". I don't watch the MLB network all that much but this is a bit tough to take. Now, talking about Joe Blanton's homer last year. In the last 15 minutes, they have not mentioned the Yanks.
    They have a lot of time to kill. I didn't see any bias yesterday and actually some praise about the Yanks. They also interviewed Phil Coke yesterday.
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    http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=461...goryid=2521705

    Jim Caple... Really... Did he really have to go there? He asks the translator for the Chinese Broadcasts how to say "Yankees Suck" in I Chinese... what a d-bag... I WANT THE WIN TOMORROW IN THE WORST WAY... just so that ESPN now longer has anything to say beyond "They wonb because of their giant payroll"


    In case that link does not take you directly to the clip... I am speaking about the "The World's Eyes are on the World Series" clip...
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    I know there are others like me who feel the same:

    I'm starting to take this hate and bias against the Yankees in stride.

    I am fine with the "world" hating on the Yankees. Finally, after we take #27, which will have taken the Yankees 9 years to get, then the whole world can just sit there and "take it" for the entire off-season. I can't wait.

    Yeah it irks me a little when they take unnecessary jabs at my Yankees, be it ESPN, MLB network, etc. Jeter is overrated. Jeter's range is limited. Arod and PEDS. Salary, Salary, Salary. Whatever.

    If everybody wasn't hating on the Yankees, then the Yankees aren't trying to win. Does anybody hate the Royals as much? Does anybody hate the Pirates as much? So bring on the hate. Bring on the anti-Yankee Bias. IT JUST MEANS WE'RE THAT GOOD.

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    Cue the "yanks should win b/c of their payroll" cry in about 24 hours

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    Quote Originally Posted by slickknick
    So bring on the hate. Bring on the anti-Yankee Bias. IT JUST MEANS WE'RE THAT GOOD.
    Well said...I've been getting to that point also. I just remind them that every single team would do it if they could and every fan would want them do it. Can't hate just because the Yankees fans actually go to games regularly and watch them on TV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRNXBMRS
    Cue the "yanks should win b/c of their payroll" cry in about 24 hours
    Oh I've already seen it ...


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    Quote Originally Posted by whoisthedogg
    http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=461...goryid=2521705

    Jim Caple... Really... Did he really have to go there? He asks the translator for the Chinese Broadcasts how to say "Yankees Suck" in I Chinese... what a d-bag... I WANT THE WIN TOMORROW IN THE WORST WAY... just so that ESPN now longer has anything to say beyond "They wonb because of their giant payroll"


    In case that link does not take you directly to the clip... I am speaking about the "The World's Eyes are on the World Series" clip...

    What a ................ing douche bag


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