7.1.09 - SEA @ NYY: All Pregame Info & Discussion

[TheBamTino24]

Thanks to another late inning, GW RBI by Melky Cabrera, the Yankees won their 6th consecutive game last night over the Seattle Mariners. Simultaneously, the Orioles were staging a prolific 9-run comeback over the 7th & 8th innings against the Red Sox.

The combination of events puts the Yankees (44-32) to within 2.5 games of the AL East-leading Red Sox (47-30). The Rays (44-35) trail by just 4 games and have the best run differential in MLB (+93; Dodgers 2nd at +83, BOS = +73, NYY = +58).

Tonight’s game features a battle of veteran LH starters as Andy Pettitte (7-3, 4.38) takes on Jarrod Washburn (4-5, 3.22).

On June 19th in Florida, Pettitte put together his best outing since April: 7 IP, 1 ER, 3 H, 0 BB, 7 K. He followed that up by reverting to the ineffective form that has characterized his performance for about 2 months now by allowing 7 hits and 3 walks in just 3.2 IP against the Braves last week.

Washburn has been both outstanding and consistent for the Mariners this season. Of his 14 starts, 10 have been at least “quality starts”, and he’s completed at least 6 IP in 12 of the 14 games. Furthermore, his 0.90 GO:AO is his best since his Angel days, and he’s featuring his best WHIP (1.19) since 2002, bolstered by a career-best 2.40 K:BB rate (6.04 K/9, 2.52 BB/9).

Over 89.1 IP this season, Washburn has a very high BAbip of .371.

LH vs. Washburn (99 AB): .162/.198/.263
RH vs. Washburn (238 AB): .273/.330/.412

Pettitte vs. Seattle:

HITTER	AB	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	BB	SO	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS
Ken Griffey Jr.	53	18	3	0	2	7	7	8	.340	.417	.509	.926
Mike Sweeney	31	9	1	0	0	1	4	4	.290	.371	.323	.694
Ichiro Suzuki	30	12	1	0	0	5	0	6	.400	.400	.433	.833
Chris Woodward	13	4	1	1	1	2	2	4	.308	.400	.769	1.169
Adrian Beltre	8	3	1	0	0	1	1	3	.375	.444	.500	.944
Yuniesky Betancourt	8	2	0	0	0	2	0	1	.250	.222	.250	.472
Franklin Gutierrez	8	2	0	0	1	1	1	4	.250	.333	.625	.958
Josh Wilson	8	4	2	0	0	3	0	0	.500	.500	.750	1.250
Jose Lopez	7	1	0	0	0	1	1	2	.143	.222	.143	.365
Ronny Cedeno	6	1	0	0	0	0	0	2	.167	.167	.167	.333
Wladimir Balentien	6	3	0	0	0	0	0	3	.500	.500	.500	1.000
Endy Chavez	5	3	0	0	1	2	0	0	.600	.600	1.200	1.800
Kenji Johjima	3	1	0	0	0	1	0	0	.333	.333	.333	.667
Matt Tuiasosopo	3	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	.333	.333	.667	1.000
Totals	189	64	10	1	5	26	16	37	.339	.386	.481	.868

Washburn vs. New York:

HITTER	AB	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	BB	SO	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS
Mark Teixeira	49	14	1	0	2	8	6	6	.286	.364	.429	.792
Alex Rodriguez	47	15	0	0	6	10	6	6	.319	.396	.702	1.098
Derek Jeter	37	12	4	0	0	4	4	7	.324	.390	.432	.823
Johnny Damon	37	9	1	0	1	4	4	3	.243	.310	.351	.661
Nick Swisher	24	5	1	1	1	6	3	2	.208	.321	.458	.780
Jorge Posada	22	6	1	0	0	0	1	4	.273	.333	.318	.652
Hideki Matsui	14	2	1	0	1	2	0	4	.143	.143	.429	.571
Robinson Cano	14	2	1	0	0	0	1	1	.143	.200	.214	.414
Melky Cabrera	13	0	0	0	0	0	0	4	.000	.000	.000	.000
Jose Molina	9	4	1	0	1	1	0	1	.444	.444	.889	1.333
Eric Hinske	3	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	.000	.000	.000	.000
Totals	269	69	11	1	12	35	25	39	.257	.323	.439	.762

[JavyVazquezIsSick]

Be good Andy...

[JOBA RULES]

Make it 7 tonight boys!

[THEBOSS84]

All good things must come to an end...

[hatfieldms]

Keep it rolling

[tdel23]

stupid Joe batting Cano 5th.

[Bub]

Looks like a good time to give Melky a night off.

[BRNXBMRS]

Make it 7 tonight boys!

I hope so, I'll am going tonight.

[teknetic]

Washburn butchers us.

[JOBA RULES]

Got to take advantage of these games against SEA as the sch gets tougher....@ Minny, @Det, and @LAA...

[delv]

Looks like a good time to give Melky a night off.

Washburn is better against lefties... I dunno why Gardner would be a better bet..

Melky used to be caca batting righty, and he's better now.

[the_coach]

Looks like a good time to give Melky a night off.

Maybe Hinske gets a start in RF?

[THEBOSS84]

Alright I got a scoring question that I have nowhere else to put but here, I guess:

NL park, Pettitte is on first base. DJ hits one to dead center that makes the CF dive for it and come up empty-handed. Andy is chugging around the bases with DJ literally on his tail. There is a play at the plate. Andy gets nailed at the plate, but DJ manages to score somehow eluding the tag.

What is DJ credited with? A triple and he scores on a fielder's choice?

[JavyVazquezIsSick]

I'd think so.

EDIT: I think he'd get a RBI too.

[Mark19]

I'm sure Girardi will go with his "we won yesterday, the lineup must have been correct" reasoning but I would go with:

Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Posada DH
Swisher RF
Cano 2B
Cervelli C -- (8 for 20 against LHP)
Cabrera CF

[JOBA RULES]

I'm sure Girardi will go with his "we won yesterday, the lineup must have been correct" reasoning but I would go with:

Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Posada DH
Swisher RF
Cano 2B
Cervelli C -- (8 for 20 against LHP)
Cabrera CF

although Cervy has good #'s I'm sure Andy wants to throw to Posada.

[THEBOSS84]

I'd think so.

EDIT: I think he'd get a RBI too.

I don't think he would get an RBI. Anyone else care to chime in?

[delv]

and Matsui did well yesterday. It's rough to drop him out of the lineup the day after the DH position opens up. he's good against LHP

[pleasepassthesoup]

Yanks have the best run differential in baseball since May 9: +81. Keep it going, guys!

[JavyVazquezIsSick]

I don't think he would get an RBI. Anyone else care to chime in?

Why not? Someone should? You get a RBI on a fielder's choice and a sac fly.

[THEBOSS84]

Why not? Someone should? You get a RBI on a fielder's choice and a sac fly.

Yeah, but can someone get an RBI for their OWN run on a fielder's choice?

It's like when there is a double steal. If the out is made at third base, the guy who stole second doesn't get credited with a steal even though he moved up a base, because an out was made on that play. He advanced on a fielder's choice.

[JOBA RULES]

I hope so, I'll am going tonight.

You might want to know this if your going tonight..Per Pete

If you’re going to the game today:
Phil Hughes, Joba Chamberlain and Alfredo Aceves will greet fans entering through Gate 4 at roughly 4 p.m.

[JavyVazquezIsSick]

Yeah, but can someone get an RBI for their OWN run on a fielder's choice?

It's like when there is a double steal. If the out is made at third base, the guy who stole second doesn't get credited with a steal even though he moved up a base, because an out was made on that play. He advanced on a fielder's choice.

I don't know, but you can't get an RBI unless a bat is in your hand.

[aeromac76]

I don't think he would get an RBI. Anyone else care to chime in?

Triple.
Scores on FC.
No RBI.

[THEBOSS84]

Triple.
Scores on FC.
No RBI.

That's exactly what I thought.

[JavyVazquezIsSick]

Triple.
Scores on FC.
No RBI.

You know this for a fact?

[aeromac76]

Why not? Someone should? You get a RBI on a fielder's choice and a sac fly.

Nope.
It is more like a runner on third base and the hitter bounces back to the mound.
They get the runner coming home in a rundown. But somehow he winds up scoring.
It is a FC, no RBI.

The only way you get get an RBI for driving yourself in is on a HR.
If Andy is thrown out ahead of Jeter, then you cannot give Jeter a HR (ITP variety of course) so he gets just a triple. You cannot drive yourself in with a triple.

[aeromac76]

You know this for a fact?

99% sure..

[THEBOSS84]

Nope.
It is more like a runner on third base and the hitter bounces back to the mound.
They get the runner coming home in a rundown. But somehow he winds up scoring.
It is a FC, no RBI.

The only way you get get an RBI for driving yourself in is on a HR.
If Andy is thrown out ahead of Jeter, then you cannot give Jeter a HR (ITP variety of course) so he gets just a triple. You cannot drive yourself in with a triple.

That line is the clincher for me.

Thanks - I was wondering about this over the weekend.

[JavyVazquezIsSick]

Nope.
It is more like a runner on third base and the hitter bounces back to the mound.
They get the runner coming home in a rundown. But somehow he winds up scoring.
It is a FC, no RBI.

The only way you get get an RBI for driving yourself in is on a HR.
If Andy is thrown out ahead of Jeter, then you cannot give Jeter a HR (ITP variety of course) so he gets just a triple. You cannot drive yourself in with a triple.

Gotcha, don't agree with it, but I understand.

I also don't agree with the no RBI on a DP.

[THEBOSS84]

Gotcha, don't agree with it, but I understand.

I also don't agree with the no RBI on a DP.

Really? It seems obvious to me. He did more bad than good for his team in that spot. It meant there were 2 on and no outs. He absolutely minimized the damage there.

[aeromac76]

Gotcha, don't agree with it, but I understand.

I also don't agree with the no RBI on a DP.

I tend to agree with you, but them's the current scoring rules!

[JavyVazquezIsSick]

Really? It seems obvious to me. He did more bad than good for his team in that spot. It meant there were 2 on and no outs. He absolutely minimized the damage there.

What if you SO instead. Then the next guy DPs.

I'd much rather have the first guy hit into the DP and get the run.

[THEBOSS84]

What if you SO instead. Then the next guy DPs.

I'd much rather have the first guy hit into the DP and get the run.

As would I, but there's no way a player should get credited with an RBI for doing something that prevented a big inning for his team.

[BRNXBMRS]

You might want to know this if your going tonight..Per Pete

If you’re going to the game today:
Phil Hughes, Joba Chamberlain and Alfredo Aceves will greet fans entering through Gate 4 at roughly 4 p.m.

Nice but I dont get out of work till 4pm, thanks for the heads up.

[JavyVazquezIsSick]

As would I, but there's no way a player should get credited with an RBI for doing something that prevented a big inning for his team.

I just think if you get a run in, you should get an RBI. That "big inning" may not ever happen.

The rules aren't based on run expectency models, for some reason in this case, they are.

[Mantle'sMutt]

Winning streaks are good.

[Bostonsfavson]

I just think if you get a run in, you should get an RBI. That "big inning" may not ever happen.

The rules aren't based on run expectency models, for some reason in this case, they are.

Agree 100%. No RBI on DP balls drives me crazy. Can't make the assumption that you're costing your team multiple runs, when you for sure gave them at least one. And what if that run that scored ends up being the GW? Still no credit for an RBI.

[Yankee Fan in Boston]

I can't look at this matchup without thinking that if Seattle hadn't been so greeedy at the trade deadline last year Washburn is starting for us and Andy might not be on the team.

[Mantle'sMutt]

You might want to know this if your going tonight..Per Pete

If you’re going to the game today:
Phil Hughes, Joba Chamberlain and Alfredo Aceves will greet fans entering through Gate 4 at roughly 4 p.m.

I understand that Joba is restricted to a hundred handshake or ten minute limit, which ever comes first, and Hughes is only allowed to participate twenty minutes after the start and twenty minutes before the close. Aceves will be up and down off his stool like a yo-yo.

[R.V.47]

I bet Hinske probably gets a start tonight, Im just not sure where since everyones hitting. Maybe 1b to give Tex a breather.

[Bob420]

I think ground ball outs that score a runner from 3rd should be scored the same way as a fly ball out that scores a runner from 3rd.

[Stache Fan]

I can't look at this matchup without thinking that if Seattle hadn't been so greeedy at the trade deadline last year Washburn is starting for us and Andy might not be on the team.

Yeah but he's got a sizeable contract so that would mean no AJ.

[EvanJ]

I also don't agree with the no RBI on a DP.

You started a topic about that in 2007. See http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread.php?t=104900 if anybody wants to read that topic.

I think ground ball outs that score a runner from 3rd should be scored the same way as a fly ball out that scores a runner from 3rd.

I agree. I think an RBI groundout (not a double play) should not count as an out in your batting average.

[JavyVazquezIsSick]

You started a topic about that in 2007. See http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread.php?t=104900 if anybody wants to read that topic.

Yeah, I remember that, good times...

[Bub]

Maybe Hinske gets a start in RF?

Hinske doesn't exactly rake lefties either. I'd rather he get his feet wet in NY against a right-hander.

Despite Melky's good stats against lefties this year, I'd give Gardner a try and see if he can work out a walk or slap a single. I've seen trends in the past where some guys just can't hit certain pitchers, and most of the time it continues....and Washburn owns Melky.

[89FoxBody]

Their team BA against Andy makes me shudder.

[TinoFan84]

I understand that Joba is restricted to a hundred handshake or ten minute limit, which ever comes first, and Hughes is only allowed to participate twenty minutes after the start and twenty minutes before the close. Aceves will be up and down off his stool like a yo-yo.

Good one!

[Mark19]

Their team BA against Andy makes me shudder.

They won't have Beltre or Chavez and not all of Wilson, Woodward and Betancourt will start.

[MarthaT]

I think ground ball outs that score a runner from 3rd should be scored the same way as a fly ball out that scores a runner from 3rd.

I certainly agree with this, don't know why they dont