2009-2010 NBA Thread

[S2]

Allen and Garnett combine to shoot 3 of 15, with 8 points and the C's still win by 31. Against the 2nd best team in the division. On the road.

[Jeter Kid]

Haven't caught much of the season due to the great Yankees run.

My Raptors are 2-2! Hoping for a playoff spot this year.

[YanksFan1992]

LeBron needs to get out of Cleveland.

Although I'd love to have him on the Knicks, I'd say his best bets would be the Clippers, Bulls or Nets (all major media markets with a few decent young players).

[S2]

LeBron needs to get out of Cleveland.

Although I'd love to have him on the Knicks, I'd say his best bets would be the Clippers, Bulls or Nets (all major media markets with a few decent young players).

He's done enough traveling if you ask me. Did it again last night on that final play where he lost it out of bounds.

[S2]

Byron Scott fired.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4648162

[b_joseph]

Lakers v Suns tonight..interesting to see how the Suns do against us considering that Gasol wont play and Bynum isnt completely healthy.

Byron Scott is killing his chances of getting the Laker job when Phil retires.

[Joba-Walkee]

Byron Scott sucks.

[YanksFan1992]

I'm currently watch my first game of the year.

I guess that's what being a Knicks fan does to you.

[S2]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSA_D...layer_embedded

[S2]

Ugh. Friggin' King.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4650907

Saying he is willing to initiate the movement, LeBron James would like to see any NBA player who wears No. 23 to choose another number as homage to Michael Jordan.

Really? And when you chose 23 in 2003 you didn't know who this Jordan guy was? Really?

"I just think what Michael Jordan has done for the game has to be recognized some way soon," James said. "There would be no LeBron James, no Kobe Bryant, no Dwyane Wade if there wasn't Michael Jordan first.

I agree. I have no idea who this guy is. Thank you LeBron for bringing this to the front. You are the King!

"I feel like no NBA player should wear 23. I'm starting a petition, and I've got to get everyone in the NBA to sign it. Now, if I'm not going to wear No. 23, then nobody else should be able to wear it."

Now, if I'm not going to wear No. 23, then nobody else should be able to wear it. Now, if I'm not going to wear No. 23, then nobody else should be able to wear it. Now, if I'm not going to wear No. 23, then nobody else should be able to wear it. Now, if I'm not going to wear No. 23, then nobody else should be able to wear it.

Are you kidding me?

[chanman7483]

DWade's career ending dunk of Varejao last night was ridiculous. I don't remember the last time I jumped off my couch after a play. If it wasn't for the backboard support, Varejao's body may still be sliding across the floor

[dabomb2045]

S2---what is your problem with James? Seems like you go out of your way to criticize him ALOT.

[YanksFan1992]

S2---what is your problem with James? Seems like you go out of your way to criticize him ALOT.

Eh, he's a Celtics fan, it's alright for them to hate LeBron.

[b_joseph]

What Lebron said is a little bit silly.

Just be honest and say ''I am sick of seeing Kobe on the top of the jersey sales list and I want a new number so I can top the lists''. Everyone will understand and we can move on without having to see silly petitions about Mike Jordans number.

How about we retire Bill Russell's number? Or the freaking Logo of the NBA's ( Jerry West ) number? Then move to Kareem and Wilt...then on to the 2 guys who saved the league, Magic and Bird?

Madness. I like you Lebron but ease up on the self promoting.

[RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees]

If LeBron comes to the Knicks, he can change his number to ¹⁰¹/₀ for all I care.

[dabomb2045]

Well the NHL did retire Gretzky's number for the entire league. There is a precedent for doing something like that.

[S2]

S2---what is your problem with James? Seems like you go out of your way to criticize him ALOT.

He does a lot of dumb things. I found this post from last season:
http://forums.nyyfans.com/showpost.p...&postcount=376

Add to it: not shaking hands with Orlando after losing. Following in Isiah's footsteps is never a good thing. And then his explanation:

It’s hard for me to congratulate somebody after you just lose to them. I’m a winner. It’s not being a poor sport or anything like that. If somebody beats you up, you’re not going to congratulate them. That doesn’t make sense to me. I’m a competitor. That’s what I do. It doesn’t make sense for me to go over and shake somebody’s hand.

Back up the BS truck.

The way his team acted last year (LeBron doing the ................ing air guitar?), the team poses, the traveling/the crab dribble (wtf?). It really is just a whole bunch of crap.

It's just too much.

Supremely talented? Hell yes. Unlikeable? You betcha.

[dabomb2045]

He does a lot of dumb things. I found this post from last season:
http://forums.nyyfans.com/showpost.p...&postcount=376

Add to it: not shaking hands with Orlando after losing. Following in Isiah's footsteps is never a good thing. And then his explanation: Back up the BS truck.

The way his team acted last year (LeBron doing the ................ing air guitar?), the team poses, the traveling/the crab dribble (wtf?). It really is just a whole bunch of crap.

It's just too much.

Supremely talented? Hell yes. Unlikeable? You betcha.

As for the shaking hands thing....overrated. I distinctly remember past playoff series where Shaq and Kobe (specifically I think of the 1999 and 2003 series losses to the Spurs) didnt shake anyone on the Spurs hands---both just walked off the floor. Jordan didnt shake anyone on the Magic's hands after losing in 1995. Of course, the Pistons did it in 1991. There have been several big name players that have done this. I just dont get why its all of a sudden a big deal when LBJ does it.

As for the other stuff (the poses, the air guitar etc) again I dont have an issue. I think sometimes we all take ourselves too seriously w/sports. Although is this really worse then say....Garnett spewing 7374383434374487 curses in a row at the top of his lungs after a big play in a game? I find that to be much more obnoxious...but thats me.

As for traveling---well he certainly isnt the first superstar to get away with calls. Jordan certainly did. Hell his last shot against Utah was a clear offensive foul...yet you never hear anyone bring this up. I loved Ewing...but his "drop step" move was a clear travel and he did it for 15 years. Wade gets away with an extra step alot as well.

[chanman7483]

Wowwwww wade with the game winning 3!! Crazy shot! In other news, qrich is on the heat now, about 20 lbs lighter, catching alley oop passes, and dunking. He also hit a tough 3.. Wtf?

[RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees]

Wowwwww wade with the game winning 3!! Crazy shot! In other news, qrich is on the heat now, about 20 lbs lighter, catching alley oop passes, and dunking. He also hit a tough 3.. Wtf?

I give up.

[dabomb2045]

Wowwwww wade with the game winning 3!! Crazy shot! In other news, qrich is on the heat now, about 20 lbs lighter, catching alley oop passes, and dunking. He also hit a tough 3.. Wtf?

Its easy to be motivated when you get away from the Knicks and get to play with D-Wade

[YanksFan1992]

Brandon Jennings scored 55 points tonight.

Unfreakingbelievable.

[RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees]

[YanksFan1992]

Seriously, at this point I wouldn't be surprised if LeBron signed with us, only to then retire from the NBA and join the Cleveland Browns.

[dabomb2045]

Brandon Jennings scored 55 points tonight.

Unfreakingbelievable.

But hey we have Jordan Hill...so its all good. I shall now go drink a bottle of antifreeze.

[YanksFan1992]

Seriously, at this point I wouldn't be surprised if LeBron signed with us, only to then retire from the NBA and join the Cleveland Browns.

It appears I said the exact same thing five months ago:
http://forums.nyyfans.com/showpost.p...&postcount=112

Sigh.

[Sam18]

Hang in there folks.

[RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees]

Hang in there folks.

Working on it...

[YanksFan1992]

Hang in there folks.

If I was a Mets/Jets/Knicks/Islanders fan, I would probably have just turned to poetry by this point.

[RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees]

If I was a Mets/Jets/Knicks/Islanders fan, I would probably have just turned to poetry by this point.

You'd be scribbling emo lyrics in a ragged notebook at a cafe.

[dabomb2045]

So I was having this debate tonight w/a few friends...and I wanna bring it to this board cuz I am curious to what more people think.

Is Dennis Rodman a HOF'er? Should he be in the HOF?

I definetly am on the "yes" side of the fence. IMO its a no-brainer. He is simply one of the best rebounders and best defensive players to ever play the game. I believe he won seven or eight rebounding titles and finished with a career average of 13.1--and between 1991-98 he averaged no less then 15.2 in any season. He was NBA Defensive Player of the Year twice and was All-Defense First Team eight times. He was such a athletic freak, that he could guard a point guard as well as a power forward. IMO, along with Pippen he is the best 1 on 1 defensive player I have seen in my years watching the NBA. Jordan has been quoted as saying that Rodman and Gary Payton were the two guys that gave him the most trouble guarding him. Nobody guarded Bird the way he did. He guarded Magic. He went up against centers like Hakeem, Ewing, Zo, Shaq. Later in his career, he did an amazing job against Malone in the 97 and 98 Finals. Five championship rings. Probably should have won the Finals MVP in 1996--he had a Finals record 11 offensive rebounds in TWO games in that series, completely shutdown and got in the head of Shawn Kemp.....he was really the one that swung that series in Chicago's favor.

The only strike against him is the lack of offensive numbers. And some people will bring up the off-court stuff, but to me that doesnt matter. He was one of those rare guys that didnt need to score points to have help his team and have a huge affect on the outcome of a game.

I think its a shame most people remember him for non-basketball reasons....although I guess some of that is his fault. I didnt like his off-court antics, but I loved watching him play--his rebounding, toughness, one on one defense, tenacity, diving on the floor for loose balls, getting into the head of opponents...he was a more talented and more athletic Charles Oakley. Still most people dont realize how great a player he was. I hope he gets his day in Springfield sooner then later.

Thoughts?

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[S2]

Rodman had some ridiculous rebounding numbers. I was amazed to find out later that he was only 6-6 or 6-7. That makes the numbers that much more impressive. 4th all time in offensive rebounds, 10th in total rebounds per game.

His last season, 1999-2000, at the age of 38, he collected 14.3 per game.

Like you said he was a part of 5 championship teams, 2 of the best teams of all time in the 96 and 97 Bulls. Basketball has always been a big man's game and for him to dominate one aspect like that as a smaller guy is amazing.

I think he should be in.

[kan_t]

Dennis Rodman is an interesting case. He was one of the best rebounders, but his offense was really really weak. I will put Dikembe Mutombo in but I'm not sure I will put Rodman in.

[dabomb2045]

He definetly was weak offensively....but to me he was great defensively and a great rebounder. There are guys in the HOF who only did one thing great.

Reggie Miller will get in and he was simply a great shooter and scorer....but did little else....wasnt a good defender, not a great ballhandler, didnt make his teammates better and didnt help his team in terms of rebounding/assists...he really couldnt even create his own shot.

[dabomb2045]

Rodman had some ridiculous rebounding numbers. I was amazed to find out later that he was only 6-6 or 6-7. That makes the numbers that much more impressive. 4th all time in offensive rebounds, 10th in total rebounds per game.

His last season, 1999-2000, at the age of 38, he collected 14.3 per game.

Like you said he was a part of 5 championship teams, 2 of the best teams of all time in the 96 and 97 Bulls. Basketball has always been a big man's game and for him to dominate one aspect like that as a smaller guy is amazing.

I think he should be in.

Agreed. And it isnt only the rebounding....it was his defensive ability too. The guy was 6-7 yet he could guard a 2 guard like Jordan, a small forward like Bird, a power forward like Malone or Barkley, and centers like Ewing and Shaq. I still remember him doing a great job slowing down Shaq in the 96 playoffs. I mean how many guys in NBA history can you say could guard a monster like Shaq, but also guard someone like Jordan? Rodman is one of a kind.

[b_joseph]

Yes, he is one of the best defensive players of all time. People focus on his personality but the facts remain that he was a big part of 2 very very very structured and dominant teams.

[RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees]

Due to mutual decision, Allen Iverson's long and storied stint with the Memphis Grizzlies has ended.

[S2]

I love Allen Iverson.

[dabomb2045]

Cavs should sign him...I'm serious. That team needs someone who can score and create their own shot when LBJ is doubled--we saw what happened vs Orlando last year....they had nobody else that could do that. They still dont.

[chanman7483]

Dennis Rodman quotes:

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/au...is_rodman.html

[pjfan]

So I was having this debate tonight w/a few friends...and I wanna bring it to this board cuz I am curious to what more people think.

Is Dennis Rodman a HOF'er? Should he be in the HOF?

I definetly am on the "yes" side of the fence. IMO its a no-brainer. He is simply one of the best rebounders and best defensive players to ever play the game. I believe he won seven or eight rebounding titles and finished with a career average of 13.1--and between 1991-98 he averaged no less then 15.2 in any season. He was NBA Defensive Player of the Year twice and was All-Defense First Team eight times. He was such a athletic freak, that he could guard a point guard as well as a power forward. IMO, along with Pippen he is the best 1 on 1 defensive player I have seen in my years watching the NBA. Jordan has been quoted as saying that Rodman and Gary Payton were the two guys that gave him the most trouble guarding him. Nobody guarded Bird the way he did. He guarded Magic. He went up against centers like Hakeem, Ewing, Zo, Shaq. Later in his career, he did an amazing job against Malone in the 97 and 98 Finals. Five championship rings. Probably should have won the Finals MVP in 1996--he had a Finals record 11 offensive rebounds in TWO games in that series, completely shutdown and got in the head of Shawn Kemp.....he was really the one that swung that series in Chicago's favor.

The only strike against him is the lack of offensive numbers. And some people will bring up the off-court stuff, but to me that doesnt matter. He was one of those rare guys that didnt need to score points to have help his team and have a huge affect on the outcome of a game.

I think its a shame most people remember him for non-basketball reasons....although I guess some of that is his fault. I didnt like his off-court antics, but I loved watching him play--his rebounding, toughness, one on one defense, tenacity, diving on the floor for loose balls, getting into the head of opponents...he was a more talented and more athletic Charles Oakley. Still most people dont realize how great a player he was. I hope he gets his day in Springfield sooner then later.

Thoughts?

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I think he's a no-brainer for the HOF. To jump on what everyone else said.......ridiculous rebounder and game changing defender. The ability to get under one's skin and turn a game around. I'm sure there are many, many players with just as crazy off the court antics, the only difference is Rodman didn't care if it was publicized or not.

[chanman7483]

Ron Artest as insane as ever:

In an interview with the Sporting News, Ron Artest admits to drinking alcohol at halftime of games during his time with the Chicago Bulls.

"I used to drink Hennessy … at halftime," Artest says in the interview. "I (kept it) in my locker. I'd just walk to the liquor store (near the stadium) and get it."

Five years later, Artest still is interested in fighting Ben Wallace.

"I see Ben, I'm on my guard now. I'm always in the mood to fight him. … I'll get suspended 10 games, 15 games (because) I'll just fight him right there. It won't go into the stands."

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archiv...fight_big_ben/

[chanman7483]

And it looks like my speculative fantasy pickup of Allen Iverson has paid off, as he will be signing a one year contract with Philly. So long, Marvin Williams! And welcome to The Corporation, Allen Iverson.

[RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees]

Greg Oden is injured...again.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4717884

[RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees]

ESPN now reporting that Oden is out for the year with a broken patella.

[YanksFan1992]

ESPN now reporting that Oden is out for the year with a broken patella.

That sucks.

It appears that with the success Durant has had, and the lack of luck that Oden has deal with, this is going to be Bowie II.

[RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees]

That sucks.

It appears that with the success Durant has had, and the lack of luck that Oden has deal with, this is going to be Bowie II.

Ironically also a Blazers pick.

[chanman7483]

I never got the Greg Oden hype, even when he was at Ohio State. Slow, no offensive skills to speak of, seemed to be bit by the injury bug all the time(for a kid, that's just a sign of things to come).. just nothing about him that's exciting. Solid role player? Sure... number 1 pick over a guy like Durant.. come on. Wasn't it obvious to everyone except the Blazers that it was a huge mistake from the get go?

[b_joseph]

Oden if healthy is the 2nd coming of Mutombo....... A possible outstanding defensive player but he has to be healthy.

You win rings with Centers like Oden..Durant? we have to wait and see because he could end up being another McGrady ( when he was healthy ).

[chanman7483]

You win rings with Centers like Oden...

Since when? Also, IMO, Kevin Durant is already at where TMAC was in his prime, minus some muscle and a nasty streak. Yes, I know TMAC has the mental/lazy/injury issues, but the magic didn't lose b/c of anything TMAC did or didn't do.. they lost b/c their second best player Grant Hill was hurt the whole time and he had to work with Mike effing Miller as second banana.

On a side note, I Was watching NBA TV and watched a playoffs game with Shaq when he was at his peak with the lakers... WOW. I didn't truly appreciate how much of a monster he was. No one stood a chance against him.