Really is there any debate. Seems like every free agent signing (maybe except Damon) completely blows up in their face. Getting pretty tired of it.
Really is there any debate. Seems like every free agent signing (maybe except Damon) completely blows up in their face. Getting pretty tired of it.
I love judging seasons in April.
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Name the signings since 2000 that have worked out.Originally Posted by NYYDragoon
Scott Brosius, David Cone, Roger Clemens, Tino Martinez, Alex Rodriguez...those guys died?
You're passing judgment WAY too soon.
EDIT: since 2000, Mussina was pretty damn good.
Lance Berkman is a Yankee!! Finally a Rice U. guy on the team!
Mike Mussina?
Moose, Giambi, failures. Sabathia and Tex aren't gonna crap the bed because of their new pinstriped uniforms. Burnett is gonna have starts like this a few times because of the type of pitcher he is.
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Damon has worked out nicely.
Haha, you actually just named 5 players who were traded for
Scott Brosius: 1998
David Cone: 1995
Roger Clemens: 1999
Tino: 1996
Arod: 2004. But really, you want to include him here?
lmao. I'm retarded.Haha, you actually just named 5 players who were traded for
Lance Berkman is a Yankee!! Finally a Rice U. guy on the team!
I'll give you Moose. But Giambi was not even close to the player the Yankees signed.
It's ONE game...............I guess everyone is going to jump on the AJ sucks bandwagon, but not me. He pitched very well up until today - I have no idea what happened, but this is just a TAD premature.
I might be the only one who still has faith in AJ after today, but so be it.
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OK so let's leave out the MVP and call him a failure because of his off-the-field performance.
Lance Berkman is a Yankee!! Finally a Rice U. guy on the team!
His post season performances have been amazing......
That Mike Mussina guy was pretty good.
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Sure, but he was still productive while dealing with injuries and age.
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Matsui and Giambi both were fairly decent (Giambi's inactivity aside).
I'm fairly confident Tex, CC and Burnett will work out as well.
Everyone beat me to it. And you are being entirely irrational if you even try to judge the long-term impacts of Burnett, Sabathia, and Tex this early.
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Tom Gordon.
I'll one up you.
Pavano
Marte.
oh yeah? Jaret Wright
Tony Womack, Steve Karsay, Paul Quantrill, Jaret Wright
Only two teams in baseball history have won wire to wire, had the most victories in their league and also swept the World Series: the 1927 Yankees and the 2005 White Sox.
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Travis Lee received $2 million (at the time his second highest salary ever) to play 7 games and put up a -19 OPS+ in 20 Plate appearances.
Only two teams in baseball history have won wire to wire, had the most victories in their league and also swept the World Series: the 1927 Yankees and the 2005 White Sox.
automatic win...
So are you referring to Burnett, Tex and CC as well? Because it is a little early to pass judgement on them........
There's no debate...
this is certainly the dumbest thread of the day. No, the week. No, the month.
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Good night, totally forgot we had Travis Lee. Wow.
Bubba Trammell, anyone? I can't remember if he was a trade or a FA (thought he was a FA); he quite simply just left the team in 2003 and I'm not sure he was ever heard from again.
And don't forget:
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Monument Park Additions
it has plenty of competition.
I heard this today...Did Coltrane actually exist? This is like being blind for 50 years, regaining sight, and then peering directly at the sun.
The problem is...
It's Mike mussina vs everyone else we've mentioned..... This thread is dead on. And the emphasis is on DEAD
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I assume that this is about A.J. Burnett, which is completely unfair. We all knew that he's going to have bad games every once in a while, but on other days he's going to be unhittable.
Just wait until he faces the Red Sox. He completely owns them, and that's a big reason why we got him. He's lights-out against them.
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None of those guys were brought in as free agents.
I think the thread in itself is a good idea, even if it came from being disappointed by our current FAs. I think/hope that they will work out, but its definitely fair to evaluate the organization's free agent handling.
Moose was definitely a winner. Giambi was good and bad. Pavano,Wright, Igawa
Reggie Jackson turned out pretty good.
I think we are going from 2000 on...
Yeah, I mean Sparky Lyle was great, too, but that was 30+ years ago...............
Monument Park Additions
Jose Contreras, Rondell White, basically paying Octavio Dotel $2 million to rehab for another team while walking the ballpark. How much did Sterling Hitchcock rob the Yankees for in the early 2000's? $12 million?
David Wells should be considered a good signing.
Only two teams in baseball history have won wire to wire, had the most victories in their league and also swept the World Series: the 1927 Yankees and the 2005 White Sox.
$2 million seems like $2 these days. As for the topic, in the past yes but Burnett had a bad game. Tex walked 5 times... he hasn't been great but he's never been that good in April. I still love our moves from the offseason, just wish we made some more.
I agree that it is way too early to judge the impact of our free agent acquisitions from this past offseason.
However, the Yankees have indeed spent a fortune on free agents this decade, particularly pitchers, with exceptionally underwhelming results. The problem is a larger one than simply poor FA signings. If the Yankees had done a better job at developing from within, and made better decisions and acquisitions, their need for FA would have been less, and they would be a better constructed team overall.
In my mind, Brian has shown that he can sign top-level talent (via overpaying at times due to desperation, ala CC) and that he can pull off salary dump trades at the deadline which at times are helpful. He has yet to show that he has a good grasp on how to put together a baseball team from 1 to 25. Why is it that the RS, under Theo, always seem to have a better and deeper team than us, for less money?
are we really judging 8 year contracts based on 4 starts?
A fool and his money can throw one heck of a party!
How's Jose working out for ya?
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Giambi was better than decent. His tenure with the Yankees is so underrated it's not even funny. He averaged 128 games a year even with the two years where he only played half the season. During that time period his OPS+ was 10th among all players with 2000+ PA in Major League Baseball and sixth in the American League. He was only behind Barry Bonds, Albert Pujols, Manny Ramirez, Alex Rodriguez, Chipper Jones, Lance Berkman, Vlad Guerrero, Jim Thome, and David Ortiz, which is pretty good company. He was better or equal to guys like Ryan Howard, Travis Hafner, Todd Helton, Miggy Cabrera, and David Wright.
He was seventh in all of MLB during the same period in OBP, getting on rate at a .404 rate. He was behind only Bonds, Helton, Pujols, Chipper, Manny, and Lance Berkman (which puts him SECOND in the American League between the years 2002-2008 when it comes to getting on base.) He was also 15th in Major League baseball in HRs during that period.
He wasn't the complete and total monster that he was in 2000 and 2001, but he was one of the elite hitters in Major League baseball when he was a Yankee, and I think people ignore that, mostly because of the bad season and the fact that he only hit around .250.
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That and the fact that he never helped them win it all..although he sure as hell did his best in '03. It's even sad when you have to convince Yankee fans on this board of the same thing.
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I think that, rightly or wrongly, many fans were upset with Jason for taking himself out of that WS game against Florida in '03 (Game 4, I think), only to hit a HR as a pinch-hitter later in the game.
Jason came to personify the ultra-expensive FA with declining (and one-dimensional) abilities and health (in part steroid-related) who never could win the big one.
Why is Tex included with the others?
He has a 835 OPS and close to on pace for 100 ribbies, and still plays GG defense.
And obviously he has yet to give us his best.
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Because they're really good at bargains, whereas we're really good at overpaying.
It's hard to even come to this site sometimes. What sucks even more is it is April and it already has that vibe.
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