In the Doghouse thread

[ppa79]

So far Ransom, Melky, Coke, Gardner, and Girardi are in the doghouse.

[Metroidman]

Melky in the doghouse to be never let out

Ransom in the doghouse

Coke is ok

WTF has Gardner done wrong? He's created 2 runs for us by himself the last 2 games

[ppa79]

WTF has Gardner done wrong? He's created 2 runs for us by himself the last 2 games

Hitting in the low 200s and not walking, but if he shows more improvement, we'll let him out.

[Metroidman]

He cant walk if they throw him FB's down the middle

[JohnnyEllis]

Veras. Don't see him getting out, either.

[ppa79]

He cant walk if they throw him FB's down the middle

Then he should be getting more hits which he isn't. His at bats look really weak. He's gonna have to show more solid at bats if he wants to get out.

[R.V.47]

Then he should be getting more hits which he isn't. His at bats look really weak. He's gonna have to show more solid at bats if he wants to get out.

I think Flaherty brought up a good point about Brett today. During ST he was driving the ball but since the season started he has gone back to the mindset of just slapping at the ball and trying to create hits with his legs. Thats not going to work in the big leagues he hasnt really hit a ball with authority all year yet so thats a little troubling.

[Rocketbooster]

I think Flaherty brought up a good point about Brett today. During ST he was driving the ball but since the season started he has gone back to the mindset of just slapping at the ball and trying to create hits with his legs. Thats not going to work in the big leagues he hasnt really hit a ball with authority all year yet so thats a little troubling.

Kevin Long has some more work to do, obviously.

[Bub]

I think Flaherty brought up a good point about Brett today. During ST he was driving the ball but since the season started he has gone back to the mindset of just slapping at the ball and trying to create hits with his legs. Thats not going to work in the big leagues he hasnt really hit a ball with authority all year yet so thats a little troubling.

Of all the announcers, Flaherty should know better than anyone that what you see and do in spring training means nothing when the regular season starts and all you see are quality pitchers who have finished experimenting.

I think a Doghouse rules should be established. Does 1 bad game qualify a player for the doghouse? If Swisher strikes out 4 times tomorrow with the bases loaded and we lose, is he in the doghouse?

[ppa79]

Kevin Long has some more work to do, obviously.

Kevin Long is not a miracle worker. He can fix mechanical flaws he the guy has talent, ie. Cano, but Long can work with Gardner everyday but it won't overcome Gardner's lack of talent.

[primetime714]

Veras. Don't see him getting out, either.

Why? Cause he walked one guy? Leave Veras in there and more likely than not he doesn't give up a run. This loss is 80% on Girardi, 19% on Coke, and 1% on Veras.

Coke should not be in those situations. He is not a setup man. Acceptable moves in that situation: 1) Leave Marte in there for a 3rd batter 2) Leave Veras in there for a second batter 3) Bring in Mo for a 4 out save in a 1-run game. The obvious move is #3, but if Girardi had stayed with Marte or Veras for another batter this probably would've been a moot point and if he went to Mo it almost certainly would've been. In a 1-run game its certainly reasonable to go to your closer for a 4-out save especially with a man on base (the Veras walk).

[ppa79]

Of all the announcers, Flaherty should know better than anyone that what you see and do in spring training means nothing when the regular season starts and all you see are quality pitchers who have finished experimenting.

I think a Doghouse rules should be established. Does 1 bad game qualify a player for the doghouse? If Swisher strikes out 4 times tomorrow with the bases loaded and we lose, is he in the doghouse?

Not one game, multiple games, however guys with established track records are given a longer leash. However, it takes multiple games to get out of it. That is why I haven't put Matsui in the doghouse, I think he will bounce out of his funk.

[JBursch23]

The entire bullpen other than Albaladejo, Rivera, and Edwar.

[JohnnyEllis]

Why? Cause he walked one guy? Leave Veras in there and more likely than not he doesn't give up a run. This loss is 80% on Girardi, 19% on Coke, and 1% on Veras.

Coke should not be in those situations. He is not a setup man. Acceptable moves in that situation: 1) Leave Marte in there for a 3rd batter 2) Leave Veras in there for a second batter 3) Bring in Mo for a 4 out save in a 1-run game. The obvious move is #3, but if Girardi had stayed with Marte or Veras for another batter this probably would've been a moot point and if he went to Mo it almost certainly would've been. In a 1-run game its certainly reasonable to go to your closer for a 4-out save especially with a man on base (the Veras walk).

Cause he always walks one guy.

[ppa79]

The entire bullpen other than Albaladejo, Rivera, and Edwar.

Marte has been good.

[Bub]

Not one game, multiple games, however guys with established track records are given a longer leash. However, it takes multiple games to get out of it. That is why I haven't put Matsui in the doghouse, I think he will bounce out of his funk.

OK, then it's a "trend" kind of doghouse. In that case, I think we need a few more games...maybe 50 plate appearances and 12 innings of work before anyone deserves going in there.

I used to have Aaron Boone in the doghouse until he hit that homer......after that I didn't care how badly he played. A lifetime exclusion.

[ppa79]

OK, then it's a "trend" kind of doghouse. In that case, I think we need a few more games...maybe 50 plate appearances and 12 innings of work before anyone deserves going in there.
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I would apply those rules for someone who has a established track record ie. Matsui.

[JBursch23]

Marte has been good.

Other than Opening Day, ya.

I just don't trust those guys--too many Walks and they fall behind hitters too much. They throw too many balls.

[Rocketbooster]

Kevin Long is not a miracle worker. He can fix mechanical flaws he the guy has talent, ie. Cano, but Long can work with Gardner everyday but it won't overcome Gardner's lack of talent.

True, but he can help with plate approach. If BG is reverting to his bad ways, that's something that can be worked on......

[EvanJ]

Coke is ok

Last season and in Spring Training, but not this regular season. Coke has had two bad games when he allowed multiple runs and his good game he only pitched 2/3 of an inning. His ERA of 13.50 is 25% higher than the sum of the ERAs of our other six relievers (5.40 for Bruney and Veras and 0.00 for Albaladejo, Ramirez, Marte, and Rivera). He's also the only Yankee reliever to allow a home run.

[aeromac76]

To me, the biggest culprit today was Veras.
You simply cannot walk the guy he did, Billy Butler.
We were one out away from getting to Mo with a one run lead.
Veras to face a kid.
You make him hit the damned ball.
Veras throws hard enough. You challenge him. If the kid hits one, then he hits one.
But walks kill.
They always do.

Having said all that. Two of Three on the road. Keep doing that and we'll be fine..

I wanted to get home after this 9 game road trip 5-4 and not looking way up at Boston or TB.
If we walk into TB and get 2, we'll have done that.

[Bub]

To me, the biggest culprit today was Veras.
You simply cannot walk the guy he did, Billy Butler.
We were one out away from getting to Mo with a one run lead.
Veras to face a kid.
You make him hit the damned ball.
Veras throws hard enough. You challenge him. If the kid hits one, then he hits one.
But walks kill.
They always do.

Having said all that. Two of Three on the road. Keep doing that and we'll be fine..

I wanted to get home after this 9 game road trip 5-4 and not looking way up at Boston or TB.
If we walk into TB and get 2, we'll have done that.

I agree on all points. Hard to say whether or not Veras was trying to throw the ball down the middle though....it's just not that easy when you're trying to fire a ball.

[Bostonsfavson]

Of all the announcers, Flaherty should know better than anyone what it's like to be an awful, awful hitter

Fixed it for ya

[primetime714]

To me, the biggest culprit today was Veras.
You simply cannot walk the guy he did, Billy Butler.
We were one out away from getting to Mo with a one run lead.
Veras to face a kid.
You make him hit the damned ball.
Veras throws hard enough. You challenge him. If the kid hits one, then he hits one.
But walks kill.
They always do.

Having said all that. Two of Three on the road. Keep doing that and we'll be fine..

I wanted to get home after this 9 game road trip 5-4 and not looking way up at Boston or TB.
If we walk into TB and get 2, we'll have done that.

Billy Butler is one of the few guys on that team with any power if you were going to pitch around someone he was probably the guy to do it. However Veras certainly wasn't trying to do that. The problem is you can't bring Veras into that situation if you aren't going to give him some flexibility to face another batter. He's prone to the walk, but if he does walk someone you have to give him a chance to get out of the jam or bring in Mo to get the key outs. Turning the ball over to a rookie is absurd.

This one is clearly on Girardi. A man on first in the 8th with 2 outs and a 1-run lead is an obvious situation to bring in Mo who didn't pitch yesterday. A 4 out save in a 1-run game is a very reasonable use of your closer. Even if you don't go to Mo at least go to someone with experience in the 8th inning. Marte has a lot of experience in that role and got out the first two batters rather easily. Veras also has experience in the 8th inning, give him another batter.

[Rocketbooster]

Billy Butler is one of the few guys on that team with any power if you were going to pitch around someone he was probably the guy to do it. However Veras certainly wasn't trying to do that. The problem is you can't bring Veras into that situation if you aren't going to give him some flexibility to face another batter. He's prone to the walk, but if he does walk someone you have to give him a chance to get out of the jam or bring in Mo to get the key outs. Turning the ball over to a rookie is absurd.

This one is clearly on Girardi. A man on first in the 8th with 2 outs and a 1-run lead is an obvious situation to bring in Mo who didn't pitch yesterday. A 4 out save in a 1-run game is a very reasonable use of your closer. Even if you don't go to Mo at least go to someone with experience in the 8th inning. Marte has a lot of experience in that role and got out the first two batters rather easily. Veras also has experience in the 8th inning, give him another batter.

I still disagree about Mo, but yes on everything else. I'm sensing a pattern that I don't like here. I loved his pen management last year because he engendered a sense of confidence in these guys, but pulling Veras and not allowing himself to work himself out of his mess? It really wasn't even a mess - it was a man on first (granted, the tying run_........He's not helping Veras any by basically saying - you're not perfect, you're coming out; we don't trust you to get one more out.

[YESSIR!]

To me, the biggest culprit today was Veras.
You simply cannot walk the guy he did, Billy Butler.
We were one out away from getting to Mo with a one run lead.
Veras to face a kid.
You make him hit the damned ball.
Veras throws hard enough. You challenge him. If the kid hits one, then he hits one.
But walks kill.
They always do.

Having said all that. Two of Three on the road. Keep doing that and we'll be fine..

I wanted to get home after this 9 game road trip 5-4 and not looking way up at Boston or TB.
If we walk into TB and get 2, we'll have done that.

Veras, being put into that situation, is definitely not "the biggest culprit." He shares fault, yes, but he shouldn't have pitched considering the other arms in the pen that hadn't worked 1.1 innings the previous night.

[KLJ]

jeter.. what is going on?

[DaSh 1s]

Aeromac you greatly discount the hitter Butler is.

[R.V.47]

jeter.. what is going on?

Why do you have an agenda against Derek Jeter? OK he hasnt gotten off to a great start but it seems like the only time you post is to bash DJ no matter what he is doing on the field.

[DaSh 1s]

jeter.. what is going on?

^^^^

To say Jeter is in the dog house is beyond comical.

[KLJ]

Why do you have an agenda against Derek Jeter? OK he hasnt gotten off to a great start but it seems like the only time you post is to bash DJ no matter what he is doing on the field.

not true.... his defense is weak.. he needs to produce

[mr.roy]

How is Melky goin' get any playing time going 0 fer 3 and hitting into 2 DP, one with the bases stuffed?
Except for late inning tenacious D, he is going to be in the doghouse a few days.

[Tehasguard]

Some people need to do some research before making crazy statements

anyway,

Matsui is too good to keep hitting like this.
Girardi uses the bullpen good, but there's no reason to use 1 pitcher per out, that's a lil crazy
Ransom can pop out of this any time he start hitting it away from the outfielders, he can start to hit
Melky, well he can't start to hit, he's been very very bad
Bullpen has been awesome, except for Coke
Nady, He will start to hit, he just has to

[Yankee Fan in Boston]

Some people need to do some research before making crazy statements

anyway,

Matsui is too good to keep hitting like this.
Girardi uses the bullpen good, but there's no reason to use 1 pitcher per out, that's a lil crazy
Ransom can pop out of this any time he start hitting it away from the outfielders, he can start to hit
Melky, well he can't start to hit, he's been very very bad
Bullpen has been awesome, except for Coke
Nady, He will start to hit, he just has to

It just feels a little early to have a doghouse. Guys are allowed to make mistakes, or not perform once or twice, aren't they?

[JL25and3]

Some people need to do some research before making crazy statements

anyway,

Matsui is too good to keep hitting like this.
Girardi uses the bullpen good, but there's no reason to use 1 pitcher per out, that's a lil crazy
Ransom can pop out of this any time he start hitting it away from the outfielders, he can start to hit
Melky, well he can't start to hit, he's been very very bad
Bullpen has been awesome, except for Coke
Nady, He will start to hit, he just has to

I don't know about Ransom. He's got some pop, but otherwise he's just not a good hitter.

[OldYankeeFan]

I think Flaherty brought up a good point about Brett today. During ST he was driving the ball but since the season started he has gone back to the mindset of just slapping at the ball and trying to create hits with his legs. Thats not going to work in the big leagues he hasnt really hit a ball with authority all year yet so thats a little troubling.

I was thinking much the same as Flaherty said it and completely agree. Clearly Gardner has regressed a bit and whatever swing exercises he was doing during the winter (my guess is working off a Tee) he has to go back to on a daily basis. Mattingly was a BIG believer in "a lot" of Tee work done daily to keep his swing groved It takes a while to commit swing changes to muscle memory and if not continually practiced can easily be lost.

I would have to assume that if Flaherty and casual observers noticed it Kevin Long did also, and hopefully gets BG back to basics.

[OldYankeeFan]

I don't know about Ransom. He's got some pop, but otherwise he's just not a good hitter.

At least give Pena a few starts against some RH pitching.

[Yankee Fan in Boston]

At least give Pena a few starts against some RH pitching.

I'd like to see Pena get a start or two at SS before A-Rod gets back just to give him a chance (preferably on a day when Posada is playing and we have some offense)...

[primetime714]

I don't know about Ransom. He's got some pop, but otherwise he's just not a good hitter.

Yea I have very little confidence in Ransom. With ARod looking to be ahead of schedule it may make sense to get Pena some time at 3B. He'll at least give us great defense. He's also a better prospect and may be a better option as our UTIL infielder when ARod returns. Cutting Ransom would also open a spot on the 40-man which we could possibly use for someone like Melancon.

[Jglaubman]

This thread is stupid. It is not possible for anyone to be in the dog house 6 games into the season.

[mr.roy]

primetime714 Yea I have very little confidence in Ransom. With ARod looking to be ahead of schedule it may make sense to get Pena some time at 3B. He'll at least give us great defense. He's also a better prospect and may be a better option as our UTIL infielder when ARod returns. Cutting Ransom would also open a spot on the 40-man which we could possibly use for someone like Melancon.


Exactly, if Cody doesn't hit well up to the time A-Rod gets back he may well play his way off the team.

[Rocketbooster]

Yea I have very little confidence in Ransom. With ARod looking to be ahead of schedule it may make sense to get Pena some time at 3B. He'll at least give us great defense. He's also a better prospect and may be a better option as our UTIL infielder when ARod returns. Cutting Ransom would also open a spot on the 40-man which we could possibly use for someone like Melancon.

Girardi seems bound and determined to give Cody more chances. That's the problem with being an optimist - Joe only sees the good stuff and not the bad - instead of a realist.

[b-ball-lunachick]

Why? Cause he walked one guy?

And that was debatable..that last pitch was VERY close.

I didn't see most of the game but I hope the ump was consistent and not calling that all game...

[b-ball-lunachick]

It just feels a little early to have a doghouse. Guys are allowed to make mistakes, or not perform once or twice, aren't they?

I'm with you...and how long do they have to stay in there? especially for relievers - one good outing or several?

[ajra21]

"ugg" to this thread.

[grickmaaaz]

too early for a doghouse but girardi should take the blame for over-managing in yesterday's loss

[35Knucklecurve]

I think in the interest of fairness, we should also have a Fire Hydrant thread for players who for some reason, can't get a break no matter how hard they try.

[Jeter Kid]

The pound couldn't hold all our dogs right now.

[TheHugeUnit2]

The doghouse is to good for Ransom. I wouldn't put Gardner in the doghouse just yet, but he's on the grass. I don't trust Veras at all and when I see him warming I get the same feeling I got when I saw Farnsworth.

[pumpkin.pie]

The pound couldn't hold all our dogs right now.

Agreed. Hope someone lets the dogs out tomorrow!