You don't block a 23 year old (soon to be 24) from going to High A because of 1 other relief pitcher. Besides, Ortiz was demoted to Charleston, wasn't he?
You don't block a 23 year old (soon to be 24) from going to High A because of 1 other relief pitcher. Besides, Ortiz was demoted to Charleston, wasn't he?
Since hes a closer they want him to keep on closing. I think Ortiz did just get called down. They should call him up. He has great numbersOriginally Posted by mvk112
Well that is a pretty stupid reason to leave a soon to be 24 year old kid in A Ball. He should've been in Tampa for a month now, and fast-tracked to Trenton if he continues his success.
It is stupid. They should call him up before the draft and if they get a college closer in the draft stick that person in Charleston. This could also be the reason. They might be targeting a college closer sometime and then stick him in Tampa
I just don't understand why having a closer is so important at those levels, and also, why they should be slotting kids at those levels as closers. There probably isn't any college reliever they could draft that would be putting those numbers up that he is. Move him up, put him in the bullpen in Tampa, and let him pitch every other day, no matter what the situation is. If he goes another month and a half with similar numbers, put him in Trenton and pitch him every other day, no matter the situation.
I don't think that is true. They haven't done that with other guys, and it's not like they are preparing him to come up and replace Mo
"Trade a player a year too early rather than a year too late" -- Branch Rickey
having a closer at those levels isn't important and thats not the reason Venditte is still in Charleston. Cox and Melancon (among many, many others) were bigger prospects and never closed at any level.
That is where you are wrong. Melancon made his professional debut as a closer.
He's made 67 appearances as a professional and has 7 saves. Last year, at 3 levels he had 3 saves in 44 games. I don't know if you mean he as a closer in his first game, but it's pretty clear they didn't keep him back in Tampa last year because they wanted him to keep the closer role.
"Trade a player a year too early rather than a year too late" -- Branch Rickey
With Charleston in the running for theits first half pennant, it would be silly to move Venditte until the race is decided (1.5 game lead with 14 games left).
Expect a promotion at the league all star break(June 23).
Melancon's first professional season was with the SI Yankees. He knocked Nick Peterson out of the closer role when he joined the team. It was at that point when the coaches told me that at this level they try to put players in roles they feel they would handle in the majors.
The point of my original post was that the Yankees do not hold a guy back from promotion so that he can pitch to a role that he might in the majors, and its pretty clear from the numbers that they didn't do that with Melancon. In that SI season he had 2 saves in 7 games, and his next year he had 3 saves, and they opted for the promotions over keeping down and having him close out games.
"Trade a player a year too early rather than a year too late" -- Branch Rickey
Thank you. 7 games also isn't enough of a sample to take anything from. The point is potential ML closers who have had a full college career normally don't close in the minors, don't get drafted in the thousandth round of the draft, and don't not skip Charleston.
any news?
Congrats on the promotion to Tampa... Happy early Bday.
Solid outing by Pat tonight...
2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 5 K, 0-1 GB/FB (K'd 5 of 6 batters !!!!)
Hmm...people say this guy is all smoke and mirrors. Nevertheless, the numbers are impressive.
He was put onto BA's midseason prospect all star team. only yankee to make it
RP Pat Venditte, Charles./Tampa (Yankees)
The stuff isn't premium, but the results are. Venditte doesn't walk anybody, gets groundball outs and famously switch-pitches, minimizing platoon advantages.
Tonight he came in with the bases loaded and one out and did really well:
2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 5 K, 0-1 GB/FB
A segment about Pat was just E:60. It was pretty neat as they explained the Pat Venditte Rule due to circumstances during a game with the SI Yankees. Plus his dad had nights where he trained him until midnight when he was around 7 years old. I had to go to bed at 8:30pm at that age.
ha, I got to stay up to 9 pm. Use to watch Nick at Nite, Munster and Jeanie. I'd like to see this, does anyone know if they will show an encore?A segment about Pat was just E:60. It was pretty neat as they explained the Pat Venditte Rule due to circumstances during a game with the SI Yankees. Plus his dad had nights where he trained him until midnight when he was around 7 years old. I had to go to bed at 8:30pm at that age.
Here's the link to the video.A segment about Pat was just E:60. It was pretty neat as they explained the Pat Venditte Rule due to circumstances during a game with the SI Yankees. Plus his dad had nights where he trained him until midnight when he was around 7 years old. I had to go to bed at 8:30pm at that age.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=440...goryid=2378529
Ugh...I don't understand why ESPN was sensationalizing this as a good thing, parents like that should have their kids taken away from them. For every Venditte who makes it to professional baseball, there's 1000 kids who are treated like this for no reason.A segment about Pat was just E:60. It was pretty neat as they explained the Pat Venditte Rule due to circumstances during a game with the SI Yankees. Plus his dad had nights where he trained him until midnight when he was around 7 years old. I had to go to bed at 8:30pm at that age.
I remember years ago seeing David DeJesus and his little brother out there on the Manalapan High School practice field with their father when I woke up at 6am, and still out there when I was getting ready to go to sleep...his dad ran them into the ground. It worked out for David and partially for his brother (who is not nearly as good), but man, I always felt bad for those kids.
Well Wrigley, I can't say much regarding the DeJesus brothers, but Pat made it sound like he genuinely enjoyed himself. No hesitation or generic sound responses to the questions that raised the very concern you stated. He said something along the lines of "I loved it. What kid doesn't want to stay up late playing games?" I'll take his word at face value, especially if his and his dad's work pays off for our organization in the future.
hopefully he can make it to AA/AAA next year, he should be ready
think of the weapon he can be as a long reliever, he can have the upper hand on Lefties or righties and it wont require using another reliever for 1 out just for the matchup.
we need to get this kid in the Bronx soon
The real reason why the Yankees keep winning is cause the other team can't stop staring at the damn pinstripes
I never knew them personally either, and I'm sure if you asked David DeJesus if he enjoyed it/it was worth it--I'm sure he'll give a similar response. But you're picking from the kids who ended up being major leaguers...so obviously they're a little biased.
Why not ask the parents of the kids who did this to them who are now sweeping up a factory for a living after burning out before the end of high school. That's why I can't imagine doing that to my kids.
You mean kids that are forced to work hard as kids? I'm pretty sure even if they dont go pro, they can still go to college and have a good life afterwards
You guys are right, working a young kid until past midnight to attempt to turn him into a professional sports star because you yourself were never good enough for it can have no adverse affects. Not on how they perform in school or other endeavors, and not how they perform in life. They'll all either be professional sports stars or go onto great colleges and have successful careers, because they spent all that time studying and not playing sports.
I don't know if my dad wanted to go and play ball with me until midnight I'd have loved that as a kid.
I do agree sometimes parents can push kids to hard and the kid rebels but a lot of times it is a two way street; that is a father who wants to do it and push his kid and a kid who just loves doing it.
Baseball is life;
the rest is just details.
I would've loved it too--doesn't mean it's good parenting. What kid wouldn't want to play baseball instead of doing homework?
From Lohud:
Of course, this is the game that isn't on TV tomorrow out of the two. Dammit.On the travel roster for tomorrow’s split-squad game against the Braves is switch-pitcher Pat Venditte, and Girardi is pumped. “I’ve wanted to see it all spring,” he said. “I’d like to put him in against a left, right, left.”
Guess my username is wrong now....
Timmah!!!
LMAO @ the thought of Girardi drooling over a switch pitcher. his wet dream.
"First batter up well here's the pitch: it's a curve. Second batter up because the first got served"
an article on Venditte's upcoming appearance.
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...esday.html.php
Video available here. The announcer calls him "VenDEET." This video is abridged, but I understand the Braves announcers didn't comment on the fact that he started as a righty, then turned into a lefty.
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/media...47864&c_id=nyy
Full story on Yankees.com:
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/news/...=.jsp&c_id=nyy
I interviewed Pat Venditte on my radio show just this past week. If you want to listen to him...
Go to Yankeesdaily.com It's on the top left of the page.
If you want to go directly to the interview, go here instead...
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/yankees...itte-interview
Chances this guy turns into a decent major leaguer?
Probably about the same as the chances that Erik Wordenkemper does, maybe slighly more.
I can see a scenario where a team that struggles with attendance trades for him to be a show. Other than that, very slim.
Me, too. Some team like the Royals to drum up some interest. Combined with a give away it could be a successful promotion with the right marketing.
Diplomacy is the ability to tell a man to go to hell so that he looks forward to making the trip
Photos of Venditte's appearance can be seen here.
http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-3...-training-game
http://www.baseballhappenings.net
Baseball's Past, Present and Future
LoHud says he's back in the pen for today's game against the Jays. Gotta love it, game on TV yesterday, game on TV tomorrow. Game on TV today? NO.
Guess my username is wrong now....
Timmah!!!
Why don't the Yankees promote him? I haven't watched him pitch, but based on his numbers, it seems like the Yankees are taking their time with him.
Because he has garbage stuff.
He'll find his way to Trenton relatively soon. The problem right now is that the bullpens in AA and AAA are pretty deep, so there hasn't been room for him. Also many question if his stuff will translate as he faces better competition which is why he is not more highly regarded in the system. He'll get his opportunity to prove the critics wrong though.
but sometimes garbage stuff gets guys out better than others. junk pitchers can be good
Yea. They just usually aren't.
i see what your saying, but he is not a usual pitcher
The fact that, other than against switch hitters, he always has the platoon advantage makes him much more likely to be successful than other pitchers of similar stuff.
i see what your saying, but he is not a usual pitcherThese are valid points. I'm just explaining why the Yankees are so conservative with him as a prospect. Personally, I have no idea whether he will succeed or not.i see what your saying, but he is not a usual pitcher
sorry then must have misunderstood your point
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