The Official 2009 New York Jets Thread

[Melan-cynic]

What I mean....is that we're 3-0 and games like last week when Sanchez struggles against a good defense, in his 1st big road game....and people are shocked and terribly upset. Like its surprising to see a rookie QB to have a bad game in that situation or something.

Maybe a bit surprising to see the defense have a bad game like this, but again even top defenses have off games during the course of 16 games.

Ah, I misunderstood you then. Which makes sense since we seemingly agree on Jets/Yankees points all the time.

[YankeeFaninATL]

I expected 8-8 going into the year before I saw a dominating defense in support of a runfirst offense helmed by a possibly surprising rookie QB as well as the addition of a WR like Edwards.

After starting the season 3-1 I expected the Jets to win 10+ games due to the lighter schedule ahead of them. To say going into tonight you thought the Jets were still an 8-8 team is a little weak IMO.

Alot of people thought that after the Jets beat the Pats.

[Melan-cynic]

Alot of people thought that after the Jets beat the Pats.

A lot of people thought what after the Jets beat the Pats?

[Snatch Catch]

Terrible defensive performance, Revis can't do everything

Seriously, there's no way to sugar coat it. A coach as progressive and aggressive as Ryan, coupled with the talent the Jets defense has should absolutely, positively, 100% NOT be made to look like a DIII unit by the wildcat offense and a rookie QB forced into playing time.

Just a wretched and disgusting showing today.

Oh, and Schottenheimer continues to revolt me. I long for the day he is fired.

[JeffWeaverFan]

Before I go into work I just want to say that I was wrong, I was wrong, I was wrong. And that I'm an idiot.

[YankeeFaninATL]

A lot of people thought what after the Jets beat the Pats?

The Jets to win 10 plus games. I remember hearing several callers call in and say that the Jets were going to be a 12 win team.

[Melan-cynic]

The Jets to win 10 plus games. I remember hearing several callers call in and say that the Jets were going to be a 12 win team.

After starting out 3-0 and knowing there were a handful of cupcakes in the middle of their schedule you would be a fool not to expect 10 or more wins from this team. No one could have known how much or how quickly Ryan would improve the defense. But after seeing what it did the first three weeks of the season you would be gutless to think they couldn't win 7 of their last 13 games.

[YankeeFaninATL]

Week 8 November 1st

The Giants and Jets both play at 1 p.m.

[PinstripePride]

I know we lost and all but f*ck Channing Crowder:

[JeffWeaverFan]

Just a few things here.

1. We got lucky with the Edwards PI call, but there has to be a flag for intentional grounding on the 2nd and goal play at the end of the game on Henne. I know the TE slipped but there's no way he'd have been anywhere close to the play. That's a horrendous non-call by the refs.

2. What the hell was Ryan and the rest of the Jets coaching staff thinking not throwing the flag on the "incompletion" by Ronnie Brown either late in the 3rd or early in the 4th? It was a 2nd and 6 and Brown was sacked, clearly his knee was on the ground, and he threw the ball away. Had they called a sack it would have been 3rd and 10. Had they thrown the flag it would have been 3rd and 10. And the Dolphins even gave the Jets an extra 2 minutes to think about it by calling a timeout after the play. I've seen the play over and over again and there's not a chance in hell that it wouldn't have been overturned. I have no idea why it wasn't challenged. 3rd and 10 instead of 3rd and 6 is a freaking hell of a difference and they ended up scoring a TD on that drive. To me, that non challenge cost us the game. What were we saving our challenges for?

3. Chad Henne didn't impress me at all. All he did was throw 2 yard passes the entire game. He had one good throw to Ginn Jr. and that was it.

4. The Jets defense was a joke. It was embarrassing.

5. Rex Ryan has to use his timeouts at the end of the game there. Seemed like he was in shock what was going on, which is understandable for a rookie HC, but someone has to talk to him.

6. We better come out next weekend and kill the Bills.

7. Save the best for last. Braylon Edwards looked great. I'm still pissed we lost that game. I mean it's a joke. The Dolphins are a bad team and we lost to them.

[JeffWeaverFan]

Sanchez was facing an imminent sack. Henne just had nowhere to throw the ball.

Henne was facing an imminent sack and was going down at the time. If you're going to call one, you should call the other.

[Melan-cynic]

Henne was facing an imminent sack and was going down at the time. If you're going to call one, you should call the other.

Henne was not facing an imminent sack. He had plenty of time to throw the ball away. Sanchez was literally in the clutches of a D-lineman and falling down.

[Melan-cynic]

3. Chad Henne didn't impress me at all. All he did was throw 2 yard passes the entire game. He had one good throw to Ginn Jr. and that was it.

Wow. Either you're completely biased or completely blind.

[dabomb2045]

Just a few things here.

1. We got lucky with the Edwards PI call, but there has to be a flag for intentional grounding on the 2nd and goal play at the end of the game on Henne. I know the TE slipped but there's no way he'd have been anywhere close to the play. That's a horrendous non-call by the refs.

2. What the hell was Ryan and the rest of the Jets coaching staff thinking not throwing the flag on the "incompletion" by Ronnie Brown either late in the 3rd or early in the 4th? It was a 2nd and 6 and Brown was sacked, clearly his knee was on the ground, and he threw the ball away. Had they called a sack it would have been 3rd and 10. Had they thrown the flag it would have been 3rd and 10. And the Dolphins even gave the Jets an extra 2 minutes to think about it by calling a timeout after the play. I've seen the play over and over again and there's not a chance in hell that it wouldn't have been overturned. I have no idea why it wasn't challenged. 3rd and 10 instead of 3rd and 6 is a freaking hell of a difference and they ended up scoring a TD on that drive. To me, that non challenge cost us the game. What were we saving our challenges for?

3. Chad Henne didn't impress me at all. All he did was throw 2 yard passes the entire game. He had one good throw to Ginn Jr. and that was it.

4. The Jets defense was a joke. It was embarrassing.

5. Rex Ryan has to use his timeouts at the end of the game there. Seemed like he was in shock what was going on, which is understandable for a rookie HC, but someone has to talk to him.

6. We better come out next weekend and kill the Bills.

7. Save the best for last. Braylon Edwards looked great. I'm still pissed we lost that game. I mean it's a joke. The Dolphins are a bad team and we lost to them.

The Dolphins are not a bad team. Remember who won the division last year. Their running game is scary good--wildcat or no wildcat. Not many teams can throw two backs at you like Brown and Williams. Between these two guys and the skill sets they have, it makes defending the wildcat very hard (and just wait till Pat White assumes a bigger role w/that). Any team that pounds the run and can shove the ball down the opposing defenses throat the way they can cannot be considered "bad". Their defense is solid. Remember, they almost knocked off the Colts on MNF a few weeks back as well--they even did more damage w/the wildcat in that game then they did in ours.

And Henne was real good. Yeah he had alot of time to throw....but all his throws were on point.

[PlsDontTearDownY.S.]

Just got back from Miami yesterday. Was at the game. Total disaster.

First off, I have no respect for a franchise that plays Mark Anthony to get the crowd riled up. None. That stadium is freakin disneyworld, it's pathetic. The only good thing about that place is the sheer amount of hotties that were in attendance. They got us in that department.

The football was atrocious. This is not an elite defense just yet. An elite defense the likes of the Steelers or Ravens in their heyday does not get owned to the tune of 400+ yards of offense.

[GordonGecko]

isn't Mark Anthony an owner? J-Lo was in the box with him rooting for the enemy

[PlsDontTearDownY.S.]

isn't Mark Anthony an owner? J-Lo was in the box with him rooting for the enemy

That backstabbing no talent JLo is Mrs. Miami all of the sudden. It used to be Boston, but that was never going to last. J-Lo when you're 50 and the booty is sagging Miami will drop you like a bad habit.

The game was like half football/half Mark Anthony in-store appearance. He is all over that building.

And what the hell happened to Thomas Jones? Same player, same o-line, and he can't find a hole if he fell in it. It's absolutely brutal watching him play right now. He gets tackled so easily and never seems to get more than 3 yards on first down. There was a play vs the Saints where he ran into Scott Fujita's leg while Fujita was being blocked and Jones drops like a fly. Fujita didn't even wave a finger at him and he goes down. What is up with this guy

[TheManKnownAsMecca]

@ Mecca.

Braylon Edwards is a gamebreaker.

One excellent catch makes you a gamebreaker these days...

[PlsDontTearDownY.S.]

One excellent catch makes you a gamebreaker these days...

When motivated Edwards is definitely a gamebreaker. Look at the youtube highlights.

[Melan-cynic]

One excellent catch makes you a gamebreaker these days...

Actually he made two excellent TD catches (regardless of the call) and a third very, very good catch on third down. But who's counting.

It's not like one game is indicative of who he is, but what you saw Monday night is why I said he can be a gamebreaker. If he hadn't caught a single ball you would be in this thread shouting about much of a bust he is, so I don't really want to hear it.

[TheManKnownAsMecca]

Actually he made two excellent TD catches (regardless of the call) and a third very, very good catch on third down. But who's counting.

It's not like one game is indicative of who he is, but what you saw Monday night is why I said he can be a gamebreaker. If he hadn't caught a single ball you would be in this thread shouting about much of a bust he is, so I don't really want to hear it.

You clearly know nothing about me as a poster if you think Id call him a bust after one game. If he ends up thriving Ill gladly eat crow. Edit to add: JeffWeaverFan you guys will destroy the Bills

[JeffWeaverFan]

Wow. Either you're completely biased or completely blind.

I'll watch it again tomorrow and let you know which one it is.

[JeffWeaverFan]

The Dolphins are not a bad team. Remember who won the division last year. Their running game is scary good--wildcat or no wildcat. Not many teams can throw two backs at you like Brown and Williams. Between these two guys and the skill sets they have, it makes defending the wildcat very hard (and just wait till Pat White assumes a bigger role w/that). Any team that pounds the run and can shove the ball down the opposing defenses throat the way they can cannot be considered "bad". Their defense is solid. Remember, they almost knocked off the Colts on MNF a few weeks back as well--they even did more damage w/the wildcat in that game then they did in ours.

And Henne was real good. Yeah he had alot of time to throw....but all his throws were on point.

The Dolphins lucked out to win the division last year. They had an easy schedule and lucked out to win a bunch of close games against these crappy teams. They subsequently got killed, at home, when they faced a good team in the playoffs.

90% of Henne's throws were under 2 yards over the line of scrimmage. He made no mistakes, and he made a perfect throw to Henne, but that wasn't all that impressive. All he did was have time while we blitzed and throw little screen passes. Their wildcat is what beat us. And our inability to forget how to tackle and play defense.

[Melan-cynic]

The Dolphins lucked out to win the division last year. They had an easy schedule and lucked out to win a bunch of close games against these crappy teams. They subsequently got killed, at home, when they faced a good team in the playoffs.

90% of Henne's throws were under 2 yards over the line of scrimmage. He made no mistakes, and he made a perfect throw to Henne, but that wasn't all that impressive. All he did was have time while we blitzed and throw little screen passes. Their wildcat is what beat us. And our inability to forget how to tackle and play defense.

Henne = 20-26 240 yards with 2 TD's and zero INT's.

He threw the bomb to Ginn that was a perfect throw. He had the big third down conversion to the near sideline that was floated right over Camarillo's outside shoulder and he had that beautiful rollout pass to his right side that he threw low where only Camarillo could make the catch at the 4 yard line. The TD pass to Fasano was also a very good throw.

That's just from memory, but yeah he only threw 2 yd. passes. Right...it was just the wildcat that beat us.

[PlsDontTearDownY.S.]

Henne = 20-26 240 yards with 2 TD's and zero INT's.

He threw the bomb to Ginn that was a perfect throw. He had the big third down conversion to the near sideline that was floated right over Camarillo's outside shoulder and he had that beautiful rollout pass to his right side that he threw low where only Camarillo could make the catch at the 4 yard line. The TD pass to Fasano was also a very good throw.

That's just from memory, but yeah he only threw 2 yd. passes. Right...it was just the wildcat that beat us.

The wildcat threw the defense completely off. Henne might just be good enough to run their offense considering the amount of preparation that goes into stopping the wildcat formation. I don't know if he would thrive as passer who takes every snap but when they needed him to make throws he made them. And that pass to Ginn came right at us, just after I asked the loudmouth behind me where Ted Ginn was hiding all game. Nice pass.

[JeffWeaverFan]

Wow. Either you're completely biased or completely blind.

Well I watched it again at work (I have coaches footage along with the HD broadcast there) and saw that I'm neither completely biased or completely blind. Well I may be biased, but not when it comes to this specific play. The reason Henne threw that ball was because Pouha was half a step away from him and, had he held onto the ball for another 1/2 second, he would have been sacked. In fact, he got hit right after he threw the ball by Pouha. You can check it out again and get back to me.

[Melan-cynic]

Well I watched it again at work (I have coaches footage along with the HD broadcast there) and saw that I'm neither completely biased or completely blind. Well I may be biased, but not when it comes to this specific play. The reason Henne threw that ball was because Pouha was half a step away from him and, had he held onto the ball for another 1/2 second, he would have been sacked. In fact, he got hit right after he threw the ball by Pouha. You can check it out again and get back to me.

Uh. Way to sidestep the entire argument buddy.

I said you were completely biased or blind because you totally marginalized Chad Henne's performance in that game. [Not because of one potential pass interference penalty. But here's what you said:

Henne was facing an imminent sack and was going down at the time.

Now you're saying Pouha was a half step away, hardly "going down."

If you rewatched the entire footage with HD broadcast, please get back to me about how Henne "only threw 2 yard passes" and had nothing to do with the Fish winning Monday night ["it was the wildcat that beat us"]. I provided numerous examples just from memory, I'm sure you saw many more after watching the game over again.

[JeffWeaverFan]

Uh. Way to sidestep the entire argument buddy.

I said you were completely biased or blind because you totally marginalized Chad Henne's performance in that game. [Not because of one potential pass interference penalty. But here's what you said: Now you're saying Pouha was a half step away, hardly "going down."

If you rewatched the entire footage with HD broadcast, please get back to me about how Henne "only threw 2 yard passes" and had nothing to do with the Fish winning Monday night ["it was the wildcat that beat us"]. I provided numerous examples just from memory, I'm sure you saw many more after watching the game over again.

My bad. I somehow read that post in response to the sack.

90% of Henne's throws were within 3 yards of the line of scrimmage. He did a great job not making any mistakes, but when the Jets are blitzing and the OL is picking it up, and you throw a screen pass, that's not amazing.

Sure, not going down as he was throwing it, but either way the reason he threw it (to nobody) was because if he hadn't, he would have been sacked.

Who said anything about watching the game over again? I sure as hell wouldn't want to do that. I watched the one play where I thought IG should have been called.

And I fully believe that the single most important thing that beat the Jets on Monday night was the wildcat offense, and not the QB.

[Melan-cynic]

I never said that was wrong [I agree the Wildcat formation is the biggest reason they lost] but you made it out as if Henne was just along for the ride which is completely disingenuous IMO. He had a hell of a game, in only his second start, against a defense which might have been the most dominant in the NFL going into Monday night. If that's not impressive I don't know what is.

[CallOfTheCrow]

Per Cimini: Cotchery is likely not playing on Sunday

[RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees]

Stellar first drive for the Jets.

[Brooklyn Yankee Fan]

Stellar first drive for the Jets.

We're driving now.

We'll settle to park with a FGA.

Feely all time Jets leader with 23 consecutive FGA made. Congrats.

[RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees]

Revis looks like he's trying to twist Owens' nipples or something.

[RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees]

Thomas Jones is a BEAST today.

[dabomb2045]

Thomas Jones is a BEAST today.

Nice to see the running game finally dominate.

[RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees]

Please God, let Jenkins be ok.

[RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees]

Keller with butter fingers today.

[PinstripePride]

Please God, let Jenkins be ok.

Did I hear right - concussion? If it's anything serious, we're DONE.

[RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees]

Did I hear right - concussion? If it's anything serious, we're DONE.

The concussion was Trent Edwards. Nothing about Jenkins yet.

[Brooklyn Yankee Fan]

The concussion was Trent Edwards. Nothing about Jenkins yet.

Listed as questionable for the 2nd half.

If he is able to come back and play, I say we let him sit out the rest of the game. Keyword is ABLE, meaning he is capable of coming back, meaning it's not a serious injury.

[RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees]

With the way Sanchez is throwing today, we should take up a collection to put a roof on the new stadium.

[RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees]

I curse the day I became a Jets fan.

[Mark19]

So three straight bad games against mediocre defenses, when do people start to wonder if Sanchez is even good, let alone a future star?

[RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees]

So three straight bad games against mediocre defenses, when do people start to wonder if Sanchez is even good, let alone a future star?

After his rookie season, at the very least...

[mgpenguin]

So three straight bad games against mediocre defenses, when do people start to wonder if Sanchez is even good, let alone a future star?

Yeah he's playing like a spineless child right now.

[Mark19]

Yeah he's playing like a spineless child right now.

I wouldn't say that, I just think some of the expectations might have been unfair. Should be interesting to see how he responds to such a deep slump.

[RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees]

I wouldn't say that, I just think some of the expectations might have been unfair. Should be interesting to see how he responds to such a deep slump.

At this point, I'm just glad they're playing Oakland next week.

[Mark19]

At this point, I'm just glad they're playing Oakland next week.

Speaking of which, they're playing a healthier Eagles team really tough, could be a huge upset for them

[RYMASTER or Ryan_Yankees]

Jesus.

[dabomb2045]

So three straight bad games against mediocre defenses, when do people start to wonder if Sanchez is even good, let alone a future star?

He actually played fine last week. Rough games against NO and Buffalo. ALL rookie QB's have games like this.