Can someone tell me what draft picks the yankees lose because of the Sabathia and Burnett signings?
Can someone tell me what draft picks the yankees lose because of the Sabathia and Burnett signings?
According to MLBTR.com, we lose our 1st round pick (26th overall) to Brewers. And if we sign Manny, Dodgers get our 2nd round pick while Toronto gets 3rd round pick, for some reason
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lol but at least we still get the first round pick for not signing Cole.
Also another pick for not signing Bittle.. A second rounder I think ?
The reason: Elias ranks all the type-A's. Manny is a higher ranked type-A than Burnett, so the LAD would receive the better pick and the Jays the worse pick.Originally Posted by AcidLake
We're guranteed a 1st & 2nd round pick since we didn't sign Cole & Bittle.
If we were to sign Tex then Anaheim would get our 1st, Milwaukee our 2nd, and Toronto our 3rd. Boy would Toronto be pissed. Lose a Type A and get a 3rd rounder. Same would happen if we were to sign Manny instead of Tex. LMAO.
32 - Cito Culver, SS, New York HS
82- Angelo Gumbs, CF, California HS
112- Rob Segedin, 3B, Tulane
145- Mason Williams, OF, Florida HS
175- Thomas Kahnle, RHP, Lynn University
Just to clarify this one a bit, the Yanks are guaranteed the 29th overall pick for not signing Cole, and the 76th overall pick for not signing Bittle. The 29th pick will definitely be in the 1st round. Currently the 76th pick is in the 3rd round, but it could slide up to the 2nd round depending on the size of the supplemental 1st round (which will continue to grow as type-A/type-B FAs that were offered arbitration and declined sign contracts with new squads).
This could change if the M's sign Josh Fields before the 2009 draft. Then we'd have the 28th and 75th overall picks.
I'm not holding my breath on that one.
The M's are YEARS from contending, and adding a college reliever isn't going to get them over that hill- especially at the $$ he wants. The M's are better off taking the comp pick and negotiating from the position of strength that teams at the bottom of the first round are going to have.
the mariners will sign fields. they need all the talent they can get, even if it is relief pitching
"Montero hasn't delivered completely on his raw power, but he's close to projecting as an 80 hitter with 80 power on the 20-80 scouting scale"-BA
Question. Who gets screwed with the 2nd round pick? Angels or Brewers?
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Sucks for the Brewers and Jays.
Considering the fact that they traded Sean Green and JJ Putz, Fields is more likely to be signed IMO or at least I feel that they were traded b/c they feel they will get Fields signed.
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No- the M's are payroll cutting. That's why Putz was dealt.
The M's new GM is the former Brewers farm head (like Oppenheimer for the Yanks). He built a power system in Milwaukee by grabbing the best player available- Fields was not a BPA pick- he was an attempt to get a player to the bigs fast to help the big club. When negotiations broke down and the old GM got let go, the pick was correctly viewed as a mistake.
The new GM will not sign Fields because he understands that the M's rebuild will take several years, and he will need all the 1st round picks he can get to rebuild. That was how he did it in Milwaukee, and it will be what he does in Seattle.
Just as an aside, don't be surprised to see several other high priced M's get dealt by spring (Beltre, Washburn, Batista- Ichiro is nearly impossible to trade because of that LARGE contract- $17M per for the next 4 years- and that ownership likes him).
I know this does not belong here, but you struck an interesting point.
If the 's are set on lowering payroll, or at least not increasing it, I wonder if the Yankees can work a Matsui for Washburn deal. The Yankees loosen the DH and corner OF logjam somewhat, and add a 5th starter without adding any payroll. The M's get another Japanese star, and that is an added attraction for them.
Then why was Green dealt? Not that I think they were causual towards one another, but I don't think they would have made that deal without thinking they could or would sign Fields. That several years it would take to rebuild coincides with Fields arrival to the majors and Fields is that prototypical fireball closer most teams want.
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Why would the Angels get the Yankees pick?
they offered tex arbitration, he declined and signed with the yankees, and he was the highest ranked FA that we signed
"Montero hasn't delivered completely on his raw power, but he's close to projecting as an 80 hitter with 80 power on the 20-80 scouting scale"-BA
Because they got Heilman in the deal from the Mets, as well as former Marlins P Vargas, who was doing injury recovery in AAA last year, and will be more than ready for the M's pen.
While Heilman wants to be a starter and the M's have toyed with the idea of making him a SP and using Brandon Morrow as the closer, I think that when ST ends, Morrow will remain a SP and Heilman will be the closer, with Vargas and Rowand-Smith the set-up guys.
You also missed the pre-draft on Fields- the guy is projected to need little time in the minors- assuming he signs quickly after the 2009 draft, it is very likely that he will be pitching in that team's bullpen by August/September. He is also asking for major $$$. The last thing the M's need to be doing is wasting $$$ on closers and set-up guys when they aren't likely to win more than 70 games a year for a couple years- that's just a waste of $$$.
As I pointed out before, the new M's GM was the guy who build the Brewers resurgence by running their draft and minors. He knows that the big league team must sometimes take the hit in the short term to build up long term. The M's are not going to waste money on non-core position players/pitchers.
Look at how the Brewers built up- they drafted power hitting corner OF and INF and more or less ignored pitching. I expect little different in Seattle now.
I thought in a case where a team signs FA from different teams, the team with the worst record gets the pick. Thus between the Angels, Brewers and Blue Jays, the Blue Jays would get the pick.
nope, the highest ranked FA to sign, the team that lost him gets priority
"Montero hasn't delivered completely on his raw power, but he's close to projecting as an 80 hitter with 80 power on the 20-80 scouting scale"-BA
That's how the order of supp picks work. The three teams who have been given supp picks from the Yankees' signings will be drafting those picks in order of worst record to best record.
correct, but it still goes with the higher ranked players. type A picks go before type B picks
"Montero hasn't delivered completely on his raw power, but he's close to projecting as an 80 hitter with 80 power on the 20-80 scouting scale"-BA
It is based exclusively on the Elias rankings. It doesn't make sense (I think that the Brewers GM and Keith Law over at ESPN had some rants about it this past week), but that is what the owners and MLBPA agreed on in negotiations.
Oddly enough, the OWNERS are the ones who insist on retaining draft pick compensation for FAs. The MLBPA would LOVE for draft pick comp to go away- as this year pointed out (see Lowe and some others), except for the Yanks and a couple teams, losing that draft pick causes some teams to back away from a player they would like to get.
It is worth pointing out that if the owners eliminated draft pick comp for FA, then it is theoretically (and likely) possible that the owners could make any unilateral change to the draft that they wanted, without having to negotiate with the union. It is the fact that the draft picks are tied to player movement (players represented by the MLBPA) that allows for the draft to be negotiated. If the owners removed all draft ties to anything having to do with active MLB players, there would likely not be grounds for the MLBPA to demand changes be bargained.
I suspect that after this winter's FA market and the one that will come up next winter, it will be one of the owner's side proposals to end draft pick compensation. It really has reached the point where teams are afraid to use the right that they demanded for themselves to get draft picks. I suspect that the owners would LOVE to institute a draft pick salary cap- but the MLBPA will never agree to it. Thus, to do that, they first have to get the MLBPA out of the draft. Of course, that allows the MLBPA to wash their hands of the whole thing and say that they are representing their paying members best interests- getting them money without ever actually agreeing to a salary cap.
I expect to see both Morrow and Heilman in the rotation. While Fields doesn't need much time in the minors, I could see him stashed in the minors until the Mariners feel they need him. Either way if Morrow and Heilman stay in the rotation, it looks more like they will sign Fields.
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on the Toronto thing.
We have enough youth.
How about a fountain of "smart"?
The M's WILL NOT sign Fields.
Pay attention to who the NEW GM there is (important point- he DID NOT draft Fields) and what his track record is- with the Brewers, the Brewers drafted power corner OF and INF, then grabbed a few power SP- they ignored relievers.
The M's need a rebuild- a reliever doesn't get them anywhere- especially when they proved they can find a good one year after year (Putz, Sherrill, etc.)- they aren't going to give millions to a reliever/set-up type when they can use the pick to grab a bat. The M's weakness is that they have no effective power hitters in their system.
To a Yankee fan, passing on an arm that can be in the bigs soon doesn't make sense- but to anyone who paid attention to the way the Brewers were built, it makes a lot of sense to pass and take the pick.
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