We have the 2 big catches on the hill..
CC and AJ are ours..
Mission accomplished there..
I would leave the 5th spot to be won by Hughes or Aceves or whomever.
We are deep here..
The pen has depth and talent..
Now go get the bat.
Tex or Manny.
I don't care which.
Let the pitchers lie, and go get the bat...
You put either Manny or Tex in the middle of this order, and we are hands down no question the best team in the game..
Absolutely no doubt..
This is the way I would close the offseason..
Lead, Follow, or Get out of the Way
-George Steinbrenner, 1930-2010
I would go after Manny. There is going to be a huge outcry if we get either but I don't care..
Rich
I'm migrating towards your opinion--it is highly important to grab Tex. If we do, this is the best offseason tally that I've ever seen--not to mention it keeps Tex from the Sux.Originally Posted by aeromac76
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Also: To all the mediots who actually bought into the "we're into defensive metrics now" Sox meme? You're morons.
I agree whole heartedly with your post, i like what we have as far as the pitching goes. I wouldnt mind Sheets for 2 years but i want to see another bat in the middle of this lineup. Tex will cost more in terms of years and cash but is younger and a switch hitter. Manny on the other hand is a difference maker in the line up. Personally i like Manny sit him behind Arod and watch the scoreboard light up with runs. Tex is a great player but to me he doesnt scare pitchers the way Manny does.
How can you say we have depth when the 5th starter is potentially Aceves? The bench is nothing special either.
The Yankees are basically top loading again, if any of the big names go down we're up the creek without a paddle.
Aceves/Hughes/Kennedy isn't enough?
I'd prefer Ponson/Rasner.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see Hughes pan out and lock down the role. Maybe he will. But say he gets injured or isn't ready yet, is Kennedy/Aceves really "depth"? None of them are proven at all.
I don't mind it per se, it's just that the Yankees are going into the season spending a fortune again and being pretty shallow despite it. No team is going to have 10 top notch starters waiting in the wings, but the quality drops off pretty rapidly after the 6th guy (same for the lineup and the 11th guy).
I think we are going to sign Pettitte, and completely disagree -- we are going to have depth (at least on the pitching side) like we haven't seen in a long time. We'll have 5 legitimate starters, and Hughes/Aceves/Kennendy in case of injury. We have a deep bullpen, with depth in the minor leagues. And, longer term, we have guys like Brackman, Bleich and Betances. There is work to get to the same place with position players, but this is a good start
"Trade a player a year too early rather than a year too late" -- Branch Rickey
Seriously?
"Trade a player a year too early rather than a year too late" -- Branch Rickey
if the yankees are trying to come in under the 2008 payroll, i say they get pettitte for 10M and Dunn for 13M, move swish to CF.
No, definitely not seriously.
Who has any quality after the 6th starter?
"Trade a player a year too early rather than a year too late" -- Branch Rickey
As far as the rotation goes not true at all. If a starter goes down we will have Hughes or Aceves to call up from the minor leagues to take starts, thats if we do the right thing and sign Andy for the 5th spot. Thats not to bad.
As far as the bench I agree its awful right now.
If you listen to the fans you’ll be sitting with them soon enough.- Brian Cashman
Thank you.
"Trade a player a year too early rather than a year too late" -- Branch Rickey
No, thank you for not giving me the benefit of the doubt
That's why I asked... I was a bit incredulous. It's been a wacky week on here -- it's my only excuseNo, thank you for not giving me the benefit of the doubt
"Trade a player a year too early rather than a year too late" -- Branch Rickey
Manny, Manny, Manny, Manny, Manny. I would also take Tex, either one is fine by me.
"Jesus Montero is a stud," one evaluator wrote in an e-mail. "One of the best young hitters I've ever seen, period."
It might not be popular with everyone but to me Manny is the finishing piece based on what we've assembled this winter. Our rotation is the best in baseball no matter who's the 5th starter because no team can even come close to matching our top 4. Manny Ramirez is a lock to give us a .300ish avg. 30ish HR and 110+ RBI. More important than raw stats he's a feared hitter who is going to give the players around him in the lineup(Alex) confidence that they don't have to go it alone. The protection he would offer Alex in addition to his own talent is such a positive that I think we could overlook his character flaws. It would also be a fairly short term deal which would allow us to cash in on Nady for a prospect or 2. To me, if we go to war with Hughes and Aceves fighting for the 5th spot and Manny protecting A-Rod we have a legitimate shot of winning the division and ultimately the World Series.
Man, people have to get over that. Manny is not going to happen
"Trade a player a year too early rather than a year too late" -- Branch Rickey
I'd prefer Andy for one more year to hold the spot for Phil.
I don't want Manny and Tex is not coming. I think (though I personally have no ideas, lol) that Cash will find a way to tweak the offense. Mostly, though, there's nothing we can do about Jeter (I have total confidence in him having a rebound year -his wrist injury was a bad one), Posada, Cano and A-Rod. Cano will bounce back - the kid can hit, period- and A-Rod is A-Rod. Posada is iffy, but those guys are set in stone in the lineup.
I'm eager to see how Swisher does, also.
Hughes Rules: Pleading the Fifth
And just how do you know that? People didn't think we could get both CC and Burnett and here they are. Let things play out before you write them off.
I did think we would get both. I think the front office wants no part of Manny. He's a great hitter, but he is a disaster on a team
"Trade a player a year too early rather than a year too late" -- Branch Rickey
Name a team that has 7 top quality starting pitchers? Name me any team that has more than 3 - there are only a few at best. I don't see how the Yankees lack depth in their pitching at all...........and Phil/Ian/Aceves are backups in case of injury. Phil will be ready for sure by next year, but he can spot start if needed this year. He won't be the 5th start.
Hughes Rules: Pleading the Fifth
Give me a break. Aceves/Hughes/Kennedy is more than enough for the last spot in the rotation.
Give Moose a call...just to check in.
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All you gotta do is convince that this will be his best chance at winning a WS.
The team doesn't have the money to sign Tex or Manny at this point if they acquire Cameron and resign Pettitte to a cheap deal. We aren't getting a big stick unless we trade away someone or get a guy via trade.
Win one for The Boss.
Being the type of guy he is, I really really doubt he'd return after doing a press conference.
Win one for The Boss.
Damn, forget Sheets and Pettitte - Moose would be the perfect way to round out this rotation.
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Shhhh... no one wants to accept that.
Of course, it will really be a test to see if the Yankees have changed if the Red Sox are on the verge of signing Tex, and the Steinbrenners have to decide whether to start bidding
"Trade a player a year too early rather than a year too late" -- Branch Rickey
And once again yanksphan tries to knock home an idea on an SP that I love that will just not happen. You shatter hopes and dreams routinely.
They'd have to go to their highest payroll ever to sign Tex or Manny at this point. This is the problem when you don't develop any talent.
Win one for The Boss.
We have 4 ace pitchers in our rotation..
Letting another guy like Hughes, who we think might be another top of the rotation guy, grab the 5th or go with minor league depth is fine..
Given a choice, you want Sheets/Pettitte/Lowe for the 5th spot or do you want Tex/Manny for the middle of the order.
I think this is a no brainer
Lead, Follow, or Get out of the Way
-George Steinbrenner, 1930-2010
Rumor has it the front office does want Manny..
Now this could be Boras planting the seed, but reports are that many Yankee officials are very interested in him.
Lead, Follow, or Get out of the Way
-George Steinbrenner, 1930-2010
I think my problem is more that you could have had Sheets, Peavy, AND another starter for less than the price of Sabathia + Burnett (+ prospects, of course). Of course the Peavy situation is hard to judge, but I don't think it was the wisest distribution of resources. Hence why I think they top loaded a lot. It could be great if it works, but as we've see recently it's probably wishful thinking to hope everyone stays healthy and pitches great.
They have had the highest payroll ever for how many years running?
If you want to argue the lack of success of that, I am listening.
But to say we don't want to be the highest payroll ever just because it is obscene, well, we have already gone there.
If we think it will help, may as well go back there..
Lead, Follow, or Get out of the Way
-George Steinbrenner, 1930-2010
No, I mean THEIR highest payroll ever. They'd be over 210 if they signed either of those guys.
Win one for The Boss.
We have too many corner outfield/first base types to get manny or tex. We should have to move someone like nady or matsui.
we could move damon and put jeter in the leadoff spot but then really only cano can hit second and i'm not so sure with him in that slot.
Peavy is and always was a pipe dream. We simply could not afford to let our main guys go elsewhere hoping Peavy would eventually fall in our laps.
And Sheets is not the guy you want to rely on. I know he and AJ have similar injury histories, but one guy finished the season going 9-2 with a sub 3 ERA down the stretch, the other walked off the hill unable to lift his arm and was quoted as saying "My arm is completely broken" afterwards.
So we were not getting Peavy, and Sheets is not a good gamble.
We made the right call in the pitchers.
But now go get the bat..
Lead, Follow, or Get out of the Way
-George Steinbrenner, 1930-2010
Manny and Tex ain't commin' fugedaboudit. Both are $20M+ bats and don't fit the budget.
You might see them take a run at Dunn/Burrell/Cameron something like that if the market drops out for hitters but Tex & Manny are getting their coin and it isn't coming from the Yanks.
I'd have preferred Sheets for 2 over Burnett for 5, heck I even liked Lowe for 3 or 4 better but what is done is done and I'll hope AJ can average 190ish IP/per and a 115ish ERA+ over the 5 years.
All I want now is one of: Pettitte (1/10); Sheets (2/28); Penny (1/4 + incentives), Dunn (3/37), Cameron 4 Melky straight up, Ankiel 4 Kennedy straight up.
Even without any other moves though I'll consider the off season a sucess.
Baseball is life;
the rest is just details.
They were at 209 last year, another few bucks is going to hurt with a cash cow stadium?
Also, they now can write off some of the revenue sharing because of them financing their own ballpark, which means even at 210, they would probably still have a net income higher than last year not counting the new ballpark revenue. Drop the financial hammer and go win a WS..
Lead, Follow, or Get out of the Way
-George Steinbrenner, 1930-2010
It wasn't "many," and I'd also say that there many more rumors that we signed Derek Lowe.
"Trade a player a year too early rather than a year too late" -- Branch Rickey
OK some, but there were Yankee people who wanted him.
I will bet dollars to donuts there still are..
Lead, Follow, or Get out of the Way
-George Steinbrenner, 1930-2010
I'd see if we could expand the Cameron trade to include Prince Fielder.
I'd wait it out, but if no one goes after him, I would try and see if we could get him for a 2 year deal with a mutual option for a third year. At this point I can't see him accepting it, but he could eventually get very desperate.
I wouldn't say that. I think they have very real interest in him. It would be very easy to trade Nady for a prospect or 2 and free up right field and a few million dollars to go towards signing Manny.
Definitely need another bat. I would try hard to trade Nady as well (sell high).
Never left the Betances bandwagon.
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