I think you missed something dan. He's said he doesn't even want to hear an offer, not that the offer isn't good enough.
I think you missed something dan. He's said he doesn't even want to hear an offer, not that the offer isn't good enough.
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You may have to leave God's green Earth then because sometime in the near future. HS kids getting Major League contracts will be the norm.Originally Posted by Rocketbooster
I dont know when it will happen but eventually it will happen becaus eof the leverage that they hold.
The college guys wont because their leverage isnt too great, where as a HS kid can go to community college and be eligable for the draft a lot sooner.
The whole theory about them not accepting offers is Bulldoogie. The kid is a Yankee fan and knows the risks involved with going to UCLA.
We just didnt want to give him the money that he wanted.
"Owning the Yankees," Steinbrenner once said, "is like owning the Mona Lisa."
Which is why, if I were Cash, I'd send two messages, we will still negotiate to the deadline but I'm not going to make the call.
And once again, it seems odd that someone who was negotiating until recently for a pretty big number all of a sudden no longer wants to entertain offers.
The Kid misled the Yankees. You can't blame them but this sure is upsetting.
apparentl boras had nothing to do with this. he would have wanted cole to sign with the yankees but cole completely changed his mind. i remember reading an artical by BA saying cole was a certain to sign rather than go to college. people change their minds. it's damn annoying but you have to move on.
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So is this like officially over now?
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/news/...=.jsp&c_id=nyy
While I can blame the Yankees (I'm not sure if I actually do, or if I'm so upset at the way the season has gone that I need to vent) for taking a major risk with the pick, I'm just not going to blame them (if indeed it is about the money, which I doubt) for caving into this kid's demands. Already he was a piece of work, blowing off a press conference to play golf. It would have been nice to have him, but I'd much rather the Yankees pass on Cole then give him whatever he wanted. I have absolutely no doubts the Yankees' offer was a fair one - that's all they can do. It still appears he wanted to go to college and if he mislead the Yankees, well........I can't respond as that kind of language is frowned upon.
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I think the reason he's going to UCLA is hes just playing the odds. A lot of high school pitchers, more than 50 percent, crap out. And even Phillip Hughes is having problems adjusting. He reminds me of a deer caught in the headlights, he's afraid that he won't be able to make it, but wants to avoid the decision for a few more years. (or he who thinks he has the world at his feet, but is really a ________ idiot.)
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None of us know what this kids motives or apirations are. Maybe baseball is not the most important thing in life. His actions would indicate that its certainly not the most important thing now. The Yankees knew the risks when they drafted him. They gambled and lost, its as simple as that.
I don't believe they gambled. You don't gamble on a first round pick signing. They obviously got positive indications that he would sign. Who knows what changed. The gamble is by the kid or his family. If he gets hurt, he or his family will regret it.
That stat only accounts for players that were drafted. Un accounted for are all the players that went to college and flamed out there. There is no way going to college is better for you than going pro. College coaches are trying to win, build resume's, and keep jobs. They don't have to care what you do after you are drafted. I'm not saying all college programs are like this, but minor league systems have no agenda. They look only to the players future.
I don't agree at all. As I stated earlier, this move is for one of two reasons:
1) Money
2) Girls and partying
There really isn't anything else....He would be paid more than any other pitcher in this draft, would have to be phenomonal in college and STILL fall to the right team to get the money he would now, and he is bypassing his supposed favorite team. This move reeks of stupidity to me at this point. It will be interesting to see the details of this situation, if they ever come to light, because for someone who's career is to be a pitcher to turn down this type of a situation seems unfathomable......
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What does this mean? I mean for next years draft....im confused. If we lose Cole,where do we choose next year? also,if we sign a class A free agent don't we lose that pick?
There is no possible way this can be viewed as a good decision by Cole. He is taking a huge risk. Like you said, he did this for girls and partying.
We get pick #28B (effectively pick 29) and it's protected
"Montero hasn't delivered completely on his raw power, but he's close to projecting as an 80 hitter with 80 power on the 20-80 scouting scale"-BA
Crow was also unsigned, correct?
That would mean this pick will be the 30th pick of the draft.
So could one say that Gerrit got Coled feet?
As far as we know, yes.
Right now we are locked into pick 30 for nextyear, and that pick can't be taken
"Montero hasn't delivered completely on his raw power, but he's close to projecting as an 80 hitter with 80 power on the 20-80 scouting scale"-BA
That's so bad, it's actually a wall marker. Well done.
Carefull lj, it's too soon for some yanks fans
"Montero hasn't delivered completely on his raw power, but he's close to projecting as an 80 hitter with 80 power on the 20-80 scouting scale"-BA
Good observation, bro.
Just got home... can't believe that we didn't get Cole done. Personally, I'm not buying this "he wanted to go to college" bs. Not one single report ever came out that said he was strongly committed to college. Now all of a sudden he's dead set on attending college and won't even hear an offer. Heh, that's laughable, IMO. I guess he was asking for a ridiculous amount, say, Porcello money(and he's not worth Porcello money) and the Yankees simply wouldn't budge. Hmm, I wonder what the Yankees will go after next year with the 30th pick. I'm guessing nothing too risky as they don't have much leverage.
32 - Cito Culver, SS, New York HS
82- Angelo Gumbs, CF, California HS
112- Rob Segedin, 3B, Tulane
145- Mason Williams, OF, Florida HS
175- Thomas Kahnle, RHP, Lynn University
Boston signed OF Westmoreland at a couple of mil. We were pursuing Bittle in the third round, I guess we were short of a gross at Rh Relief. Other than rushing Jackson, we are four years away from quality position players in the minors. All of a sudden the scouting system is suspect. Great on pitching prospects, position players, not so much. There is a drought through the top three levels of position players. Then you have two in Montero and Romine and zip. All the high level signings last year other than Romine are struggling.Why would one sign Miranda or the Duncans who effectively play bat, sometimes not very well. Where was the coaching for Gardner who is still hitting flat footed in the Majors. I could go on and on.
It will depend on how many picks they get, I'm sure
If they get 2 more, I'd think they would take a signability guy at 30, since they won't have leverage and will probably have a large bill for the other 4 first rounders
"Montero hasn't delivered completely on his raw power, but he's close to projecting as an 80 hitter with 80 power on the 20-80 scouting scale"-BA
I just hope that after this year, that Moose, Abreu, Pudge, Giambi and others are shown the door. Collect the picks, go crazy with them(meaning get some high ceiling talent) and beef up the farm, especially position prospects. I'd love to have 6-7 first and supp. first rounders next year. Oh, and taking a bunch of dropping high ceiling talents in the later rounds and actually signing them wouldn't hurt either. If Bud doesn't like it, too bad he can't do a damn thing about it.
32 - Cito Culver, SS, New York HS
82- Angelo Gumbs, CF, California HS
112- Rob Segedin, 3B, Tulane
145- Mason Williams, OF, Florida HS
175- Thomas Kahnle, RHP, Lynn University
That's supposing that there are quality players available in above pick 20 or so.
There will be, there always will be. But some may not have the upside that Cole has.
"Owning the Yankees," Steinbrenner once said, "is like owning the Mona Lisa."
Look, the kid is what 17 or 18? I'm sure he and his parents know the type of pressure and expectations that will be heaped upon him signing for the Yankees. Maybe he wants to be like every other kid and go to college and experience campus life.
He also went to a religious school. Maybe that played a role in his decision as well, and perhaps he holds higher values than money and fame.
http://www.lhsoc.org/Page_2.aspx?id=86752
Who knows - maybe he spoke to Drew Henson. LOL. Maybe he wants to be in his home state close to his parents and family. Maybe he's scared to death. Who knows. It doesn't matter, but I will be watching him over the next several years to see how he does.
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Another season low point: Hughes, Kennedy, Horne (inj), Chamberlain (inj), and now their #1 pick.
Here's the final run-down on all first rounders from SI:
link: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200....ap/index.html
problem is the 2009 draft is suppose to be even weaker than 2008.
this week BA said it was far too early to tell how strong the draft will be.
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The Yankees organization might be right now at it's lowest point since 1992, and that's pretty damn low. I suppose something else could go wrong but I can't imagine what it would be.
It's clearly Joe's fault that everything is A-Rod's fault -- jeterismyhomeboy
Yesterday was a rough day for multiple reasons but I think this is a bit melodramatic.
Never left the Betances bandwagon.
Geez, I wouldn't cut my wrists yet.
He's doing the opposite of playing the odds. Taking the money would be playing the odds.
"In the United States today, we have more than our share of the nattering nabobs of negativism....formed their own 4-H Club -- the "hopeless, hysterical, hypochondriacs of history." - Spiro Agnew
Such pessimism does seem out of place on our minor league forum of all places. Yankee prospects have given us plenty to look forward to in the coming years - Jesus Montero has exceeded all but the wildest expectations, Mark Melancon has indeed looked like a future heir to Mariano in his first full season back from surgery, and Austin Jackson justified his preseason expectations in performing well at AA after a shaky start.
Further down on the farm is some more encouraging news; Dellin Betances put in 20 starts at Single-A and came back from a DL stint throwing harder and better than ever. Dellin's overall stats look good on their own - 71 hits in 98 innings with 114 K's - and would look even better if you omitted his singularly lousy game in May than landed him on the DL (7 runs, 8 hits in 3.2 innings). It's only low-A ball, but that's the kind of talent we hoped to see when the Yankees signed him. I can't imagine how anyone could bemoan the loss of Gerritt Cole without being far more thrilled at Betances' 2008.
And how about Wilkins DeLa Rosa? He's gone from a preseason afterthought to a legitimate left-handed pitching prospect. Single-A ball hit under .200 against him in over 100 innings and he improved in every respect in only his second season of pitching.
Humberto Sanchez is healthy. Andrew Brackman is ready to start in the Hawaiian winter league.
Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio!
I completely agree Reggie. Too many people here are overreacting. Its one draft pick. One player doesn't make a team let alone an organization. Would I have liked to have him? Sure! But you can't spend 3 times the amount just to make the fans happy! That is not smart business and agents like Boras would do that every year if the Yanks started down that slippery slope.
I think Cole was foolish. If he gets hurt in college he will rue the day he passed on the Yankee contract.
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That young man was heavily influenced by an agent the name of Tommy Tanzer.
If you look at the draft logically you are drafting 16, 18 and 20 year olds with the corresponding entry to the Majors at 6, 4 and 2 years. This is if they develop as projected. The older the player the sooner the arrival and the lower percentage of no develop. Latin players spend more time as pros but come with higher percentage of non develop. Obviously you want the highest talent available. This year we did not sign any top Latin players and 2 of the top draft picks, the other signed under slot. Not good.
Melodramatic? The Yanks have a .525 winning percentage. If they finish that way, it'll be their worst winning percentage since 1992. That's by definition their lowest point since '92. And the bulk of what talent there is in the farm system looks to me to be years away still.
It's clearly Joe's fault that everything is A-Rod's fault -- jeterismyhomeboy
Austin Jackson isn't "years away". He'll be up at some point next year barring injuries. Not to mention Hughes and Joba will be back in the majors soon and are VERY big talents.
It is melodramatic to forecast "gloom and doom" for years because of one mediocre season. Does it suck? Yes. But the Yankees have been putting off rebuilding for years and with all of the contracts coming off the book, it's probably "time".
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sometimes you have to take a step back to go forward. If we wanted to content this year, we could have gotten CC, but at a cost. We made our choice. Injuries happen, unfortunately it happened to us. There are over 30 teams trying to win the world series each year not one. I would love to be in the play-offs and world series each year, but I understand it does not happen. I would rather miss the playoffs this year and plan for the next year, then sell off for short term solutions. Lets face it, when wang/posada and matsui went down, we were close to dead. Joba was just icing on the cake. I am looking at this season as the 2006 season for the sox. Next season will hopefully be better with joba, hughes, sheets/CC (hopefully), wang highlighting our pitching staff.... *crosses fingers*
Failing to sign CC, Teix and Manny. While signing Abreu, Giambi and Mussina to 3 year contracts.
"Owning the Yankees," Steinbrenner once said, "is like owning the Mona Lisa."
What would be the most aggravating, would be not signing CC and Tex because they want 1 more year than the FO is willing to give AND THEN signing those 3 guys to 3 year contracts. None of our outgoing FA's should be offered anything more than arbitration.
Moose?
Arbitration only. Rather let him go one year too soon than keep him one year too many.
Although the fact that of our 1, 1A, and 2 picks this year we ended up with a left handed pitcher who barely tops 90 and has elbow problems doesn't leave me all warm and fuzzy going into next year's draft.
Agreed. Out with the old and in with the new. Wipe the slate as clean as you can.
"Owning the Yankees," Steinbrenner once said, "is like owning the Mona Lisa."
would you want moose to win 300 as a yankee and see him get jet skis or something at the stadium like the Mets did? come on, it is our chance to be like the mets!
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