http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/...der-be-traded/
I started reading this as more BS to fire up the hot stove, but after reading the article and thinking about, it may not be that far fetched.
http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/...der-be-traded/
I started reading this as more BS to fire up the hot stove, but after reading the article and thinking about, it may not be that far fetched.
Already have too many DH type players.. Very intriguing nonetheless. If he is traded, wouldn't be to the Yanks.
Thoughts on the asking price?
I like Prince. He did however kill the hopes of my fantasy team this year.
If the price is right I'm all for it.
There are a few things that cross my mind about this, 1. what is the asking price for a overweight 1b albeit in his prime? 2.Back to the weight issue, a couple years back the yanks had concerns over wells and his weight, Prince looks like he ate wells.( And this is a vegatarian? what he do eat a redwood?)
Note to all vegatarians... this is a lifestyle choice i dont agree with but if its for you god bless.
3.Can the yankees sign him to along term deal?Or more to it would they want to citing his body style.
We all know his swing is viscous and would be devastating at the stadium, i just dont want to invest in another 1b long term then after two years falls apart. until his walk year.
Boras is his agent (no extensions possible)
He hasn't even reached his prime yet
Reached his prime?Originally Posted by THEBOSS84
He sure has reach for a lot of prime beef! That is for sure.
I'd wouldn't come within 100 parsecs of this guy given that he is going to command a ton of money and then he is going to break down like a '72 Ford Pinto that never had its oil changed.
To seek the sacred river Alph, To walk the caves of ice
To break my fast on honey dew, And drink the milk of paradise
Isn't next year his 1st year of arbitration? So wouldn't he be under club control for 3 or 4 years after this one?
I could see the Crew moving him for high cieling cost controlled talent. Don't know if this is worth exploring but having Fielder for 3.5 years at prevailing arb rates then letting him walk in FA isn't the worst idea I've heard.
The reason the Brewers would consider trading Prince is that he may get very costly in arbitration very soon. They have LaPorta and Gammel in the minors who are absolutely raking and either of them can play first.
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Where the hell is he gonna play on this team?
I rememeber in last year's draft thread, so many people were saying how pissed off they would be if the Yanks drafted him.
Yeah same here. I thought he'd be a scrub based on all those comments. The Brewers even got some heat for "over-drafting" him.
DH...
Calmer than you are.
I think some guy from Japan is playing that position.
If we traded for him and I don't think there is any chance we will. I'd put Matsui in LF, Damon CF, Giambi 1B, Fielder DH.
Calmer than you are.
And what about Melky? Shipping him to Milwaukee?
That also makes our outfield defense even worse.
Yes, but the offense gained would be worth the defense lost.
Calmer than you are.
He actually became a vegetarian during the off-season. I don't know if he's still sticking to it, but he was at the beginning of the season.
Igawa?
"Long Island is New Jersey with a GED." - Triumph the Insult Comic Dog.
If we are willing to give up what it would take to get Fielder, wouldn't we use those chips to get a pitcher?
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I agree, unless Prince Fielder is actually CC Sabathia, the Yankees should save their trading chips for a quality starting arm.
updating...
He may be an option next season if we don't get Texiera but for now we have Matsui at DH and Gaimbi is doing well at first.
That's right.
Sorry for the oversight.
He's likely reaching for refridgerators full of salad and ranch dressing.
It's even more crazy to be that big AND be a vegetarian.
Still - no thank you to the non-athletic types!
To seek the sacred river Alph, To walk the caves of ice
To break my fast on honey dew, And drink the milk of paradise
That's a lot of black bean pancakes.
Not a fan of Ortiz? Hell Cecil was pretty good for awhile. Giambi he's not the most athletic fellow in the world. Prince is far too young, will be break down? Perhaps but to expect it this soon is silly.
I'd rather wait and try to sign Adam Dunn in the off-season if you want a big lefty slugger. Dunn's 28, if I'm not mistaken.
"The only thing sweeter is when you win two in a row!"
28, here we come!
This guy may hit 40 hrs a year but he also strikes out more than Reggie used to.
That would quite possibly make us the worst fielding team in the AL. Please.
Can we please stop talking about Dunn? Seriously. That guy is used up and he's not even 30. He's a hired bat at best, the last thing we need. I can't believe you'd even bring up a guy that makes a Matsui/Damon tandem in the field sound reasonable.
Yep. Thankfully a professional GM is in place.
It ain't happening anyway. Britton doesn't want the competition for the post game banquet.
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For a guy that's been healthy his whole career, still under 30, hits 40+ homers, .380 career OBP, and could be had without trading any farm chips?...there's the bench, Melky. (which means an improved bench, at that.)
"Used up?" Go try to locate some of those home run balls that haven't landed yet in Cincy. He already has 18 homers and counting.
Also, in case you thought I want him in the field...No. I'd want him as the primary DH. Maybe part-time fielder. Just to clear that up.
"The only thing sweeter is when you win two in a row!"
28, here we come!
1) It takes at least 3 pitches to strike out. Last I checked, the Yanks like guys who work deep counts.
2) Again, career .380 OBP. He gets on base plenty.
3) Strikeouts are usually better than double plays.
"The only thing sweeter is when you win two in a row!"
28, here we come!
1.Yes it does take three pitches to strike out
2.Career .247 avg 1161 k's only 735 bb's in 3566 career ab's....... yeah his obp is .380 but he is not the anwser here, he is sluggish and big and 30 yearsold already. youth is the key, not go out and buy the Big hitters with high obp.( I.E. -Giambi)
3.K's are alot better than Double plays except when there are runners in scoring position with 2 outs.
Only?
Yeah, but I think the primary reason he's stayed healthy is because of the lead weight around his torso. Hard to get hurt when you can't pick up speed.
Yeah, he hits long HRs. We've got plenty of guys that do that already. Plus, if he's not going to play the field, how many ABs does he get at DH on this team?
Yeah, bench Melky. Brilliant. Maybe Capt. Bloated can be pencilled in for LF so Damon can stretch out his limp noodle in center? Great idea...just to clear that up.
This is getting good.
I know, sorry, the caffeine finally kicked in right when I read his response. Just wondering how that guy could possibly help us move forward. We need arms not mashers. And limiting our defense behind uncertain pitching is a bad move.
We have guys who hit long HRs this year. What about next year when Giambi is gone? If you keep Abreu around, Melky can get plenty of time alternating in RF and CF, with Dunn and Matsui alternating in LF. You can upgrade the defense at the end of the game by sticking Damon in LF and Melky in CF.
I'm not looking to give Dunn a 10 year deal here. 4-5 years would be nice. Otherwise, no thanks.
You said "limp noodle." *snickers childishly*
"The only thing sweeter is when you win two in a row!"
28, here we come!
You just cited Giambi, who is one of our best hitters right now. If you can swap him out next year with a younger version of him, it would be foolish not to do so if you can get him. You want Alberto Gonzalez hitting 1-9? Matsui and Damon are doing well, but they're not getting younger either.
Dunn from 2005-2007, runners in scoring position w/ 2 out: .937 OPS (.465 OBP)
This year, same situation: .842 OPS (.387 OBP) - currently better than Giambi.
Youth is important, but I don't see anything wrong with signing a big hitter like Dunn (as long as the length of contract is right) to displace the Big G in the lineup. Again, Dunn's been healthy to this point in his career.
"The only thing sweeter is when you win two in a row!"
28, here we come!
Look im not really feeling a guy who can only hit home runs. We didnt need a home run hitter in 96 and it can be done with contact guys. Id rather have a younger player who is going to play hard and give 100 %rather than a guy who is gonna be on the wqrong side of 30 for the whole contract. AS it seems this season we have at times looked lethargic. Too many players over 30 with large contracts. Isnt that what the team is looking to get away from. If not then why didnt we go out and trade Melky and sign Torii Hunter in the offseason?
I'm not really sold on "going to play hard and give 100%" as much as I am career OPS=.901, career OBP= .382, OBP(2008)= .401, SLG.= ~.520. And BTW, Dunn is 28... turns 29 in the offseason. But, if you don't like guys who can only hit HRs, then by all means stick with Melky and "playing hard"
Never let the fear of striking out get in your way. - Babe Ruth
I need to stick to one thread I think! I've been on the Giambi thread where most of us are thinking Giambi might be around another year, maybe two. Obviously this is assuming he continues to produce as well as he has...
I see your point, though--you're working from the idea that not only Giambi but Abreu could both be gone. I gotcha. Yeah, I guess we could do worse. I'm definitely not a big fan, though. I'd like to see what Gardner can do before we commit $$ to Dunn.
I don't want Dunn for the shear fact that we have nowhere to put him without trading Matsui or Damon. Unless one of the 3 can play RF and replace Abreu, although I wouldn't be too pysched about seeing any of those 3 guys in RF as none of them have a good arm and only Damon has range.
Dunn can't play 1B and I would want him in the OF often as he's worse than Matsui out there.
Just sign Teixeira this offseason. Great defense at position of need and a great switch hitting bat.
I never mentioned Melky once as far as im concerned i thinks he is trash. He is at best a fourth outfielder. And Matsui and Damon are both 34. Dunn is alot like Jose Canseco in the outfield big bat not so great on defense. You would rather go out and spend on a guy who hits Home runs and strikes out tons, than someone who has something to prove.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and yours obviously includes Dunn. So be it. I would rather not spend the cash on his talent because im not so sure he would be a good fit.
And 29 years old signed for 4-5 years means on the wrong side of 30 for at least 3 years of his contract. Whats to say he translates into the American league, where in my Opinion the pitchers are better. I would rather take a shot on a young guy who came from our system than overpay for a player we may get stuck with....ALA Giambi.
As I understood it, the team was looking to get away from trading young prospects. They may also be looking to avoid the luxury tax, which would mean no more big FA signings, but that remains to be seen.
Despite your point about 1996, they did bring in Cecil Fielder who hit 13 home runs in 200 ABs for us. Bernie had 30 homers and close to .400 OBP. O'Neill - .411 OBP. Boggs also close to .400 OBP.
Tino would probably be the best example of your '96 point. He did have 25 homers and 111 RBIs.
The game hasn't changed. Getting on base and hitting home runs are good traits. I'm not saying to make Dunn bat 1-9, but plugging him right into the 3rd spot in front of A-Rod makes the lineup all that much better, especially if you keep Abreu and bat him 5th. Talk about "Murderer's Row and Cano!"
"The only thing sweeter is when you win two in a row!"
28, here we come!
My point is if we are going to trade young players or sign big free agents, i would much rather try and get a guy like Matt Holiday( who plays hard and gives 100%) who is possibly on the block, than a guy like Dunn. As far as Murderers row goes, We still need pitching, and as the old cliche goes Pitching and Defense win titles. After this season, Pettitte and Mussina will most likely not be here, Wang Hughes Kennedy and Joba is Good but not alot of experience there.
I watch other coaches play small ball to score runs, and in the playoffs when pitching is more prevelant, you need to manufacture runs. MAn on first 0 outs why not bunt him over and set it up for your next guys to possibly bring him in. Time after time we sign big free agents who cant play all facets of the game. Until this season Giambi was a bad contract waiting to expire. Last year the damon signing looked like a bad idea, matsui continuosly grounding out to second was not a good sight for any fan, Dont get me started on Igawa and Pavano.Long term deals dont always work out espescially on players who rely on minimal tools.
Your point about Boggs, Oneill, Bernie and Tino reinforces my point of players who give 100 % all the time. Guys who didnt give away at bats.With the exception of Boggs- Those players had something to prove.
Why not bunt him over? Because that more generally than not is a total waste of an out. I'm sure you'd love it if our clean up hitter was bunting over people with 0 outs instead of actually going for the homerun.
Didn't they name a candy bar after that guy?
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Your wish for Holliday kind of stresses my point. In his short career, Holliday has a career .382 OBP and has hit over 30 homers the past 2 years. He slugged .607 last year. If the Yanks could sign Matt Holliday without having to trade any chips for him (especially pitching chips), great. But that isn't the case. That could be the case with Dunn.
Damon is a notoriously "small ball" player. Giambi has had some great years for us, but he spent quite a few seasons on the DL with various ailments and controversy. Not the best of examples. Pettitte and Moose might or might not be back. Pitching is certainly a premium. If Sabathia can be had as a free agent, then go for it. But he'll likely be traded, which would cost Hughes and then some. No thanks.
You're looking for the bunt, where really the only time a bunt could be called for is 9th inning of Game 7. Then I can maybe understand pinch hitting Brett Gardner for Hank Aaron in order to get one down and move the runner to 3rd. It's one thing to work on fundamentals to be ready to be called upon for such a situation (that's why we do fire drills), but a sacrifice in the 3rd inning rarely wins you a ballgame, especially these days.
I'm not quite sure about your "gives 100% all the time" argument. Is Matsui dogging it as our DH? Damon checking out the hunnies in LF? When has A-Rod given away an at-bat? He's hit 4 homers in 4 games now, right? How selfish of him. Are you trying to tell me Dunn doesn't give 100% because he prefers to trot around the bases after blasting the ball 500 feet for a walk-off? Maybe you're right. Let's try Miguel Cairo instead.
If Jeter would have bunted in Houston, maybe Wang wouldn't be injured right now? Great, there goes my argument out the window. You win.
By the way, your beloved '96 team also had at least 2 drug addicts, 1 malcontent in Ruben Sierra, and Paul Gibson at one brief point.
They did move a lot on the basepaths, that's true, but the big moments of those playoffs came from Leyritz's homer, Jeter's "homer," and Girardi's triple. The team ranked 3rd in the AL that year in OBP. It was also a team that largely overachieved in many aspects. Mariano Duncan batted .340 in 400 ABs, at 33 years of age! The only other time he batted over .300 in his career was when he was 27 with the Reds. Speaking of Girardi, he hit .294 at 31 years of age, and the only other time he hit .290 was when he was 28 with Colorado. The cards just fell into place that year for that team to highly overachieve.
You know who likes to play small ball? Dusty Baker. He has guys like Dunn and Encarnacion bunt when the game is on the line. Then they fail to do so and hit homers to end the game, in the most selfish way possible. For all the talent on that team, there's no excuse for them to be in the cellar in the Central, behind Houston and Pittsburgh and Milwaukee.
The only ones who should bunt in the 3rd inning are pitchers. Then again, I happen to feel the NL should adopt the DH already, but that's a whole other debate.
By the way, the '98 Yanks ranked 1st in the AL in OBP, 4th in homers, they stole a lot of bases, but did not have a ton of sac flies or bunts.
"The only thing sweeter is when you win two in a row!"
28, here we come!
Re: Dunn from mlbtraderumors.com today:
It certainly doesn't sound like the Blue Jays will be going after Adam Dunn while J.P. Ricciardi is at the helm. Check out this interview Ricciardi did with Mike Wilner of The Fan 590.
First a fan calls up and asks Ricciardi whether the Jays have interest in Dunn. Ricciardi replies that he's not interested in Dunn. Then he says:
"Maybe we have more information and know the player a little more than the average fan."
Interesting. Another fan calls up and says he's surprised Ricciardi would be so quick to dismiss a power bat like Dunn. Ricciardi really goes off on Dunn this time:
"He's a lifetime .230-.240 hitter that strikes out a ton and hits home runs.
Did you know the guy doesn't really like baseball that much? Did you know the guy doesn't have a passion to play the game that much? I don't think you'd be very happy if we brought Adam Dunn here...We've done our homework on guys like Adam Dunn and there's a reason why we don't want Adam Dunn."
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