I couldn't post this in the Hot Stove but:
Jun 9 The Chicago Tribune's Phil Rogers reports Seattle Mariners SP Erik Bedard could be shopped at the trading deadline.
As much as he is struggling now, I fully expect him to rebound. The Mariners are the worst team in baseball, are they getting desparate?
Does Berdard have any relation to Eric Bedard?
Or Erik Bedard?Originally Posted by Hellsing
ouch...(WHO SPELLS ERIC WITH A K?) Come on.
I am not going to edit that post because it's comedy gold.
The Mariners front office is dreadful, so if we can get him for a good price (which shouldn't be hard knowing Bavasi), I would be all for it.
And by good price I mean very good, not just decent (I don't really have a package that comes to mind though).
Actually i do, Erik is my first name, its scandinavian Thank you very much!
I think for the amount of prospects they gave up for him, they have to stick with him long-term.
I really don't think they will.
He doesn't like Seattle, Seattle doesn't like him, and he seems to be acting out (although that might just be his personality).
Expect him to go to Philly.
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Although I don't see it happening, how funny would it be if he came to the Yanks. The O's dealt him out of the division for a reason, and it would be incredibly ironic if he returned to it.
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Owned.
Calmer than you are.
From what I've heard Bedard really just doesn't care that much about baseball. His heart isn't in the sport at all and he basically just plays for the pay check. He isn't a good locker room influence.
Still if Seattle wants to give up on him for a bargain price I wouldn't hesitate. He is just too talented to ignore.
Bedard has much more passion for watchin hockey than actually playing baseball.....its a shame he has the talent he does
is it true that he hates teh media
"If we have to, we'll hoard everybody. That's what the Yankees used to do."
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Hasn't he said he wants to play for Toronto? if Burnett opts out, I can see it being a possibilty..and that makes me wet in the pants.
I considered posting this exact post myself, but decided against it. Represent, homey!Actually i do, Erik is my first name, its scandinavian Thank you very much!
In other news -- I really don't expect to see Mr. Bedard in pinstripes, and considering his reported lack of passion for the game, wouldn't want him in my clubhouse. The ability is pretty, but we're well-equipped otherwise.
Yeah........Rumour is he`s going to the Maple Leafs.........
Psssttt....he also speeds in school zones, stuffs firecrackers in frogs' mouths, and never sends mother's day cards.
If you're too lazy to find an actual quote from either the player (lack of passion) or a teammate/coach (locker room influence), at least post a link citing a reputable scribe speculating online or in the press.
Within two pages of other posters regurgitating this rumor, Bedard's Lack Of Desire will be an accepted 'fact' here.
"Anything else is a failure, and I know that."
It would be beyond amazing if we could get Bedard. Maybe his lack of
passion is due to the fact that his team is abysmal ? i cant see Bedard
coming here and pitching with no heart.
So what does one offer for him?
A deal built around Jackson maybe?
I love to get him, as long as we could sign him to a long term deal, but if it's a rental I'd rather not. It's probably going to take players like Melky & Kennedy + an A prospect, maybe even more.
We can not forget what the M's gave up to get him. Certainly the fact that we're 1/3 of the way through the season changes his value a bit, but Baltimore got Adam Jones for him and Adam Jones would have been a top 10 prospect in all of baseball had he missed a hand full of PAs last season.
I agree, it will be expensive to get him. Although I can't see the Yankees holding on to Hughes in the Santana trade and sending him to the Mariners for Bedard.
Pssttt its a message board I'm not writing for a newspaper here I don't have to cite my sources. Chill out. If you wanted to know where I heard this you could've simply asked. The announcers were discussing this during his start against us. They said that talk within the Mariner organization is that they were dissapointed in Bedard as he showed little passion for the sport. I don't have a specific quote or a written source for this because it would be incredibly stupid for the Mariners to come out and say we're dissapponited in this guy especially if they are thinking about trading him. It would also be foolish for Bedard to say anything publicly suggesting this as he doesn't want to decrease the amount of money he'll get in his next contract. It is a rumor there is no documented source to confirm it only rumblings. Take it for what you will. I never said you had to buy it, that's just what I heard while watching that game and think its something the organization should take into account if they consider dealing for him. With that in mind I did say I would have no problem getting Bedard if he came at a bargain price. Although if that happened you'd have to assume something is wrong whether it is this rumor or something else.
Yea we're not giving up on Hughes this quickly after refusing to deal him for Santana, but the M's aren't going to give Bedard away for free even if the rumors of attitude problems are true.
I'd offer Kennedy, Melky, Tabata, and Marquez. This is roughly in line with what we were offering for Santana, but the value of guys like Kennedy, Tabata, and Marquez has decreased since then. I don't know if Seattle would go for that (probably not), but that's about what I'd offer.
If I were the Yankees, I wouldn't offer something comparable to what they gave up.
They f*cked up by giving away so much and the guy hasn't performed for them.
Make them take the hit.
This, of course, is all predicated on the Mariners really wanting to deal him away.
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That's not really how it works. They traded a ton for Bedard. Since then, Bedards value has likely gone down a little, but not by much. He's healthy and his peripherals are good. If the Mariners deal him, they're going to want a list talent back.
I think it's safe to assume that if they don't trade him, they'll offer him arb and pick up 2 draft picks for their trouble so while losing Jones and Sherrill is a hit, if they spend enough cash in next years draft they could replace some of the loss.
Wait a minute...
If you buy a $100,000 Mercedes and get into a wreck, you can sell it for 100K?
Come on. They guy is underperforming and they are looking to dump the salary.
There is no way the Yankees could give the Mariners what they gave for him.
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To break my fast on honey dew, And drink the milk of paradise
his numbers are down from last year. I don't think anyone though suspected he'd post a K per nine over ten and a BB per nine under 3 again. He has struggled, but at this point last season his statistics were not that much better. He still has the label as a potential ace. Most teams would likely still consider him a threat in a series
Bedard is underperforming, but he hasn't been in a "wreck". He's healthy and he's enormously talented. He'll be worth every bit of the cost to acquire him - he's a premium lefty who'll be outperforming Santana before too long.
Also, Bavasi will be able to get a nice haul for him if he's made available at the deadline -- he's a free agent next year, but it shouldn't be hard to arrange a deal contingent on signing him to an extension, and his cost will be somewhere in the perfectly reasonable $11-$14M/year range.
Given Santana's contract and declining numbers, he's worth more in prospects than Santana was, not less.
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While I understand all this logic, I'll stick to my idea of getting him (again, if he's available) for less than Seattle paid for him. Otherwise, I would walk away from the deal.
For what it is worth, I like Bedard as a pitcher.
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To break my fast on honey dew, And drink the milk of paradise
I love Bedard but I don't agree with the last comment. Bedard's had trouble staying healthy for a while now. Santana on the other hand has a track record of being able to pitcher 200 innings a year, I'm not so sure about Bedard.
EffdaMets, I suspect you're correct in that any team who trades for Bedard will likely pay a lot less to get him. Adam Jones is an elite prospect, not to mention Sherrill, Butler, Tillman and Mickolio all having varying amounts of value themselves.
I don't know is that really that close to what they gave up? I thought it was at least a bit less especially when you consider the stocks of 3 of those guys (Kennedy, Tabata, Marquez) have been falling.
If the Yankees could grab ERIK BEDARD (or even Eric Berdard
I doubt they would go for that. It will probably cost at least 1 High ceiling prospect.
Would you give up Hughes in a package to get him, because that's who the Mariners would most likely ask for?
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I wouldn't give up Hughes to save my mother from being abducted by Aliens.
So..no.
Nope. Maybe if it was straight up for Hughes, but not in a package including him which is what they would want.
I'll put it like this...
If Bedard were on the Yankees this year, not only would the they make the playoffs (they probably will even if he's not on the team) but they would be even up with Boston to make the World Series.
When I get a chance later today, I'll try and breakdown why he would be a great addition if he were really available.
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I'm very, very interested in seeing this breakdown.
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Bedard's value may have gone down, but not as much as IPK's and Melky's.If the Yankees could grab ERIK BEDARD (or even Eric Berdard
I doubt they would go for that. It will probably cost at least 1 High ceiling prospect.
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As I took some time to do the research on him, my off hand opinion of his is that he is Boston killer from watching his starts against him.
Further examination of his numbers against that specific team brings us the following starting from the 2006 season:
8 starts
4-2 record
3.31 ERA
Total line:
46.2 IP, 28 H, 17 ER, 25 BB, 39 K, 1.14 WHIP
Avg IP - 5.7
Avg Pitches Thrown - 102
Avg line vs. BOS - 5.7 IP, 3 H, 2 R, 3 BB, 5 K - 102 pitches
He's probably not going to go 8 innings. But there is very good chance he will give you 7 strong and hand the ball to Mo if you need to.
Here is how Boston hitters fare against him
Lugo 9-34 (.264)
Manny 5-25 (.200)
Ortiz 5-24 (.208)
Youkilis 1-20 (.050)
Varitek 3-19 (.157)
Lowell 2-18 (.111)
Pedroia 1-14 (.071)
Crisp 1-13 (.076)
Drew 0-1 (not to be counted)
That team just doesnt hit this guy or have any good swings at him. It's not that's a small sample of 5 or 6 AB's. When Youk is 1 for 20 against him, something is up. Manny and Ortiz dont hit him well either. Put him in a situation where he can face them and our chances of beating them in a 7 game series go up tremendously. Besides, at 29 he still has about 5 good years left. His love for hockey has not had an adverse effect on his pitching much like CC Sabathia's weight.
That is my argument.
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I'll be hounded for this, but I'd offer them something centered around Cano.
"We understand that John Henry must be embarrassed, frustrated and disappointed by his failure in this transaction. Unlike the Yankees, he chose not to go the extra distance for his fans in Boston."
So then, who plays second?
Us trading Cano is like the Mets trading Kazmir ... BIG mistake.
Yeah, if they were trading Cano for Carlos Silva.
I would doubt the yanks deal cano but youneverknow. At any rate it would take some serious talent to pry Beddard from Seattle. They did trade 5 guys for him and they weren't just 5 warm bodies. They probably would not command as good a haul as they sent out but to think B prospects, no matter how many you throw out there in volume will net Beddard is silly.
I doubt that works, as Seattle seems to be rather confident in Jose Lopez who was an All-Star a few years ago and has been decent this year.
Betemit.
"We understand that John Henry must be embarrassed, frustrated and disappointed by his failure in this transaction. Unlike the Yankees, he chose not to go the extra distance for his fans in Boston."
Except we're getting an older version of Kazmir in return. And in what way is Cano comparable to Kazmir. An enigmatic 2nd baseman vs a stud lefty starter?
"We understand that John Henry must be embarrassed, frustrated and disappointed by his failure in this transaction. Unlike the Yankees, he chose not to go the extra distance for his fans in Boston."
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