I couldn't post this in the Hot Stove but:
Jun 9 The Chicago Tribune's Phil Rogers reports Seattle Mariners SP Erik Bedard could be shopped at the trading deadline.
As much as he is struggling now, I fully expect him to rebound. The Mariners are the worst team in baseball, are they getting desparate?
Does Berdard have any relation to Eric Bedard?
Or Erik Bedard?Originally Posted by Hellsing
ouch...(WHO SPELLS ERIC WITH A K?) Come on.
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In other news -- I really don't expect to see Mr. Bedard in pinstripes, and considering his reported lack of passion for the game, wouldn't want him in my clubhouse. The ability is pretty, but we're well-equipped otherwise.
Owned.
Calmer than you are.
The Mariners front office is dreadful, so if we can get him for a good price (which shouldn't be hard knowing Bavasi), I would be all for it.
And by good price I mean very good, not just decent (I don't really have a package that comes to mind though).
I think for the amount of prospects they gave up for him, they have to stick with him long-term.
I really don't think they will.
He doesn't like Seattle, Seattle doesn't like him, and he seems to be acting out (although that might just be his personality).
Expect him to go to Philly.
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Although I don't see it happening, how funny would it be if he came to the Yanks. The O's dealt him out of the division for a reason, and it would be incredibly ironic if he returned to it.
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From what I've heard Bedard really just doesn't care that much about baseball. His heart isn't in the sport at all and he basically just plays for the pay check. He isn't a good locker room influence.
Still if Seattle wants to give up on him for a bargain price I wouldn't hesitate. He is just too talented to ignore.
Bedard has much more passion for watchin hockey than actually playing baseball.....its a shame he has the talent he does
Hasn't he said he wants to play for Toronto? if Burnett opts out, I can see it being a possibilty..and that makes me wet in the pants.
Psssttt....he also speeds in school zones, stuffs firecrackers in frogs' mouths, and never sends mother's day cards.
If you're too lazy to find an actual quote from either the player (lack of passion) or a teammate/coach (locker room influence), at least post a link citing a reputable scribe speculating online or in the press.
Within two pages of other posters regurgitating this rumor, Bedard's Lack Of Desire will be an accepted 'fact' here.
"Anything else is a failure, and I know that."
Pssttt its a message board I'm not writing for a newspaper here I don't have to cite my sources. Chill out. If you wanted to know where I heard this you could've simply asked. The announcers were discussing this during his start against us. They said that talk within the Mariner organization is that they were dissapointed in Bedard as he showed little passion for the sport. I don't have a specific quote or a written source for this because it would be incredibly stupid for the Mariners to come out and say we're dissapponited in this guy especially if they are thinking about trading him. It would also be foolish for Bedard to say anything publicly suggesting this as he doesn't want to decrease the amount of money he'll get in his next contract. It is a rumor there is no documented source to confirm it only rumblings. Take it for what you will. I never said you had to buy it, that's just what I heard while watching that game and think its something the organization should take into account if they consider dealing for him. With that in mind I did say I would have no problem getting Bedard if he came at a bargain price. Although if that happened you'd have to assume something is wrong whether it is this rumor or something else.
is it true that he hates teh media
"If we have to, we'll hoard everybody. That's what the Yankees used to do."
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Yeah........Rumour is he`s going to the Maple Leafs.........
It would be beyond amazing if we could get Bedard. Maybe his lack of
passion is due to the fact that his team is abysmal ? i cant see Bedard
coming here and pitching with no heart.
So what does one offer for him?
A deal built around Jackson maybe?
I love to get him, as long as we could sign him to a long term deal, but if it's a rental I'd rather not. It's probably going to take players like Melky & Kennedy + an A prospect, maybe even more.
We can not forget what the M's gave up to get him. Certainly the fact that we're 1/3 of the way through the season changes his value a bit, but Baltimore got Adam Jones for him and Adam Jones would have been a top 10 prospect in all of baseball had he missed a hand full of PAs last season.
I agree, it will be expensive to get him. Although I can't see the Yankees holding on to Hughes in the Santana trade and sending him to the Mariners for Bedard.
I'll put it like this...
If Bedard were on the Yankees this year, not only would the they make the playoffs (they probably will even if he's not on the team) but they would be even up with Boston to make the World Series.
When I get a chance later today, I'll try and breakdown why he would be a great addition if he were really available.
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I'm very, very interested in seeing this breakdown.
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As I took some time to do the research on him, my off hand opinion of his is that he is Boston killer from watching his starts against him.
Further examination of his numbers against that specific team brings us the following starting from the 2006 season:
8 starts
4-2 record
3.31 ERA
Total line:
46.2 IP, 28 H, 17 ER, 25 BB, 39 K, 1.14 WHIP
Avg IP - 5.7
Avg Pitches Thrown - 102
Avg line vs. BOS - 5.7 IP, 3 H, 2 R, 3 BB, 5 K - 102 pitches
He's probably not going to go 8 innings. But there is very good chance he will give you 7 strong and hand the ball to Mo if you need to.
Here is how Boston hitters fare against him
Lugo 9-34 (.264)
Manny 5-25 (.200)
Ortiz 5-24 (.208)
Youkilis 1-20 (.050)
Varitek 3-19 (.157)
Lowell 2-18 (.111)
Pedroia 1-14 (.071)
Crisp 1-13 (.076)
Drew 0-1 (not to be counted)
That team just doesnt hit this guy or have any good swings at him. It's not that's a small sample of 5 or 6 AB's. When Youk is 1 for 20 against him, something is up. Manny and Ortiz dont hit him well either. Put him in a situation where he can face them and our chances of beating them in a 7 game series go up tremendously. Besides, at 29 he still has about 5 good years left. His love for hockey has not had an adverse effect on his pitching much like CC Sabathia's weight.
That is my argument.
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I'll be hounded for this, but I'd offer them something centered around Cano.
"We understand that John Henry must be embarrassed, frustrated and disappointed by his failure in this transaction. Unlike the Yankees, he chose not to go the extra distance for his fans in Boston."
Us trading Cano is like the Mets trading Kazmir ... BIG mistake.
Yeah, if they were trading Cano for Carlos Silva.
Except we're getting an older version of Kazmir in return. And in what way is Cano comparable to Kazmir. An enigmatic 2nd baseman vs a stud lefty starter?
"We understand that John Henry must be embarrassed, frustrated and disappointed by his failure in this transaction. Unlike the Yankees, he chose not to go the extra distance for his fans in Boston."
I doubt that works, as Seattle seems to be rather confident in Jose Lopez who was an All-Star a few years ago and has been decent this year.
You shouldn't be. You probably wouldn't have to give up a whole lot else, and in theory, you could still grab Sabathia if he reaches FA. A rotation of Wang, Joba, Sabathia, Bedard, and Hughes would look fairly nice and the cost effectiveness of the 3 home grown players would make the inevitable extension of Bedard and acquistion of CC more palatable.
A combination of Betemit and Gonzalez, while not nearly as potent at Cano, wouldn't leave much to be desired on that end.
I still don't like the idea of trading Cano for anyone other than a young offensive player. Cano is currently our only good offensive player under the age of 32. With the minor leagues focused on pitching as well it would be nice to keep our one good young offensive player.
The problem of course being that Cano, even in his good years has been terribly inconsistent, and may never have the plate discipline or power to carry an offense. For me, it wouldn't be a package, it would be a straight up type of thing. But you raise a good point. All of our significant offensive contributors right now are on the wrong side of 30.
So then, who plays second?
Betemit.
"We understand that John Henry must be embarrassed, frustrated and disappointed by his failure in this transaction. Unlike the Yankees, he chose not to go the extra distance for his fans in Boston."
No Who plays first. What is on second.
I would doubt the yanks deal cano but youneverknow. At any rate it would take some serious talent to pry Beddard from Seattle. They did trade 5 guys for him and they weren't just 5 warm bodies. They probably would not command as good a haul as they sent out but to think B prospects, no matter how many you throw out there in volume will net Beddard is silly.
give them phil, joba, ian, melky, and anyoen else they ask for.
I doubt they will pan out anyway.....
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Heyman on MMD mentioned that Bedard is in fact on the block.
Bavasi was fired yesterday. The Mariners are in last place and have zero hope for anything this season.
Aquire Bedard, and not only do you get him for this season, but also next season as well before he hits free agency. This would be a 1 1/2 year rental and then you can evaluate from there.
He probably wont get as much publicity as Sabathia, but as I the numbers I mention several posts ago, this guy is proven in the AL East and pitches tremendous against Boston. This would not be an "Oh, we didnt get CC, we only could get Bedard" situation.
I suggest we go this route rather than wait for the Indians to make up their mind. It's not like Seattle is waiting for anything.
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How much will it cost though? I still wouldn't give up Hughes or Cano for Bedard. If a Kennedy centered package gets it done I'd be on board.
After the big package they sent to Baltimore to acquire him, I don't think Seattle could face its fans if they don't get an impact player back for him. IPK is not looking very much like an impact player right now. If he's the centerpiece of the Yankees' offer, then I would guess Bavasi's replacement does the smart thing and says, "No, thank you."
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If you are Seattle, why would even consider Kennedy as a centerpiece for a trade? What did he show in the big leagues this season to give you reason to believe he would be nothing more than a Jeff Suppan-type starter? Was he hurt all season? Something caused his velocity to drop 3-4 MPH, not having an ability to throw strikes, and not showing any mental toughness to grind out starts when he was struggling.
If he was a hard thrower that just had control issues, that would be one thing. Most, if not all teams will take a chance on that. Hell, most teams wont give it up for fear of him "finding it" elsewhere (see: Cabrera, Daniel and Jackson, Edwin). But this guy does not possess that kind of stuff. So if he maxes out, what is his ceiling? #3 or #4 starter? Those guys are trade bait. If he just had a little success this year, I still would have explored this deal if it presented itself. One would point to his September pitching, but I counter that by using the old saying "Never believe what you see in September. (see: Spencer, Shane)"
Personally, I've felt that the best trade is one where you know you are going to have to agonize over doing it, but knowing that the guy you are getting is very good and is entering his prime.
Just my belief.
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If I'm the new Seattle GM and I'm looking to move Bedard, I'm probably looking to get back what I sent over to the Orioles.
That means they might want a package consisting of Gardner, Kennedy(or Marquez), Tabata and maybe Robertson or Cox.
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That, and the Yankees never get a fair asking price on a huge blockbuster trade like that. So it's just not going to happen. The farm system wasn't depleted for Santana, it won't be for Sabathia or Bedard. I don't care if the entire team goes on the DL, the Yanks won't trade away the farm. Get used to it.
The only thing I can see happening is a trade of Tabata (would hate to see it) for someone like Blanton, but I doubt that would happen either because Oakland always asks for the entire farm plus a fresh paint job on the barn.
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I agree with both of you on this. Mostly my point was that the Yankees shouldn't deal either Cano or Hughes. I think characterizing Kennedy as the "centerpiece" may have been the wrong way to go about it. If Kennedy was the highest profile player in the package there would be at least one other player that would be pretty close to him or maybe more highly regarded after his recent struggles. My thought was to combine Kennedy and at least one other one of our top 5 prospects. So Kennedy and Horne or Kennedy and Tabata or maybe even Kennedy and Jackson (although I'd try to hold onto Jackson if at all possible). The Mariners need a lot of help and while they'd like to get an Adam Jones type player back they'd probably like to get several ML quality players back instead. Their team is pretty much a mess right now. They have Ichiro, Felix, Morrow, and Putz. Outside of that they don't have a lot of talent. Jeff Clement is a nice prospect. Silva will be a solid starter. Ibanez is good but is a FA after this year. Simply put they need a lot of help everywhere. If they're looking to deal Bedard my guess is rather than looking for that one impact player they'll be looking for a few potential impact players.
For Bedard I'd go as high as Kennedy, Horne, and Tabata. That's a really fair deal for the M's IMO. Adam Jones was really the only good prospect they gave up for Bedard. He may be significantly better than anyone in our package, but the other two prospects are better than anyone else they gave up.
Still I'd try to get it done with intial offers of Kennedy/Horne (they may like Horne more right now), Tabata, Marquez/McCutchen, and one other prospect (maybe a reliever like Cox).
Very fair
The Mariners are not going to want Duncan ever. And why would they want Matsui? To add payroll? He certainly is not going to make a difference in the standings for them. They are horrible.
Young high ceiling talent is the only way you pry Berdard. But who is in charge over there now? Do any deals get done with the M's this year due to Bavasi leaving?
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I dont think the Mariners do it. After all they gave up to get Bedard.... they also wouldn't be shedding much salary with Matsui being signed through next year. I doubt they want Shelley Duncan whatsoever. Take Marquez out and put in Horne and you are probably talking- but then do we want to do this deal? It just seems like a big exchange laterally, downwards on offense in the hope that Bedard can pitch better than he has this season
Its interesting, at least
I like the trade, but take Sexson out, as he is almost a sure strikeout.
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