its a little nitpicky to hold a 2/15 bb/k ratio against a guy hitting .375
its a little nitpicky to hold a 2/15 bb/k ratio against a guy hitting .375
"Montero hasn't delivered completely on his raw power, but he's close to projecting as an 80 hitter with 80 power on the 20-80 scouting scale"-BA
I have to agree with you, but it's Manual's only defense at this time. I usually hold Manual in greater regard than Callis so I'm disappointed in his weak argument today.Originally Posted by bmxstreetrider86
true. i dont think manuel is necesarilly saying anything bad about jesus but he needs to hedge his bets on something.
if jesus keeps hitting like this, no one will be able to say much against him
"Montero hasn't delivered completely on his raw power, but he's close to projecting as an 80 hitter with 80 power on the 20-80 scouting scale"-BA
They don't call him Jesus for nothing...
Seriously, it's exciting to see this, if he stays at catcher he'll be one of the elite prospects in all of baseball very soon.
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He threw out another two basestealers tonight and, apparently, made a great play on a bunt attempt.
It's looking more and more likely that he IS going to stick.
anyone got his sb/cs numbers
"Montero hasn't delivered completely on his raw power, but he's close to projecting as an 80 hitter with 80 power on the 20-80 scouting scale"-BA
not overall but he caught two more basestealers tonight.
Updated stats.
he's thrown out 8 of 21 base stealers.
that's about 35% which is slightly above average.
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Plenty good enough for me at this stage of his development. Remember, he's still only 18 and he's still got to finish Low-A, then spend time in Hi-A, AA, and AAA before the majors. And I'm sure that his defense will only continue to improve as he moves up the latter.
32 - Cito Culver, SS, New York HS
82- Angelo Gumbs, CF, California HS
112- Rob Segedin, 3B, Tulane
145- Mason Williams, OF, Florida HS
175- Thomas Kahnle, RHP, Lynn University
Awww... did Manuel really choose this defense? That can easily be rebuked by saying he's hitting .368... he can't wait to walk, he's too busy scalding the ball all over the field. Weak defense by Manuel there. Seriously, if for the rest of this year, the only thing bad about Montero is his K/BB ratio then I will be one happy guy. His K% is only 16.7% which is pretty damn good for an 18-year-old in Low-A.
32 - Cito Culver, SS, New York HS
82- Angelo Gumbs, CF, California HS
112- Rob Segedin, 3B, Tulane
145- Mason Williams, OF, Florida HS
175- Thomas Kahnle, RHP, Lynn University
Already aware of all that but its still about 35%, that fact doesn't change.
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I know... but he started out pretty bad this year and has made a rapid improvement already.
32 - Cito Culver, SS, New York HS
82- Angelo Gumbs, CF, California HS
112- Rob Segedin, 3B, Tulane
145- Mason Williams, OF, Florida HS
175- Thomas Kahnle, RHP, Lynn University
Montero started out not getting anyone and now he's getting pretty much everyone. You have to be aware of trends in minor leaguers or you will miss the development that is the very point of minor league baseball.
I follow all the games too so this is nothing new to the experienced follower.
Cashman told Accorsi, “I feel the responsibility of millions of Yankee fans on my shoulders, fans who take this very seriously and for which every game is very important. I think of that every day.”
It is also tough to accurately guage just how good his ability to nab runners at such a low level.
Just as he is looking to improve upon his defense, the young pitchers often are not very good at holding on runners.
For example, on April 19th with Montero behind the plate Columbus attempted 6 stolen base attempts all with Dellin Betances on the hill. They were successful 5 times.
While the numbers go on Montero's ledger, it is tough from our standpoint having not actually seen the play to determine just how much at fault Dellin is for all those successful stolen bases.
If Dellin still has the same windup motion as he did the 1 time I saw him last season, I can tell you that there are a lot of pieces that are moving at the same time, and it takes him a long time to pitch, even from the "stretch". I hope that they tinker with his pitching from the stretch position a bit, as I do recall that it seemed to me he would be easy to steal on.
I just went through Montero's stats before and so far he has hit in every game he has played at DH (6 out of 9 multi-hit games). He is hitting .459 there with 2 home runs. But he is still hitting .304 as a catcher. Hasn't walked there though.
And, lord knows, if Tim McCarver has drilled nothing else into your head, it's that "you steal bases off the pitcher, not the catcher."
Don't tease me, you know what I do for a living.
Updated stats.
Got a 7 game hitting streak going.
1 -4 At this rate, BA will take him off the prospect list.
Just to highlight this fact, he's throwing people out at a 38% clip, which is a fairly material difference from 35%, given that the league average is closer to 31%. He's more than one standard deviation above the mean--which is significant.
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Did you see the part where I said "about" and 38% certainly falls within that range. I don't even know why you would bring that up, its petty and still confirms the fact that its above average.
Cashman told Accorsi, “I feel the responsibility of millions of Yankee fans on my shoulders, fans who take this very seriously and for which every game is very important. I think of that every day.”
Is he actually on it in the first place? lol1 -4 At this rate, BA will take him off the prospect list.
Right now the only thing you can be worry about him is his SO number (not his plate discipline).
I am not worry about his low BB as his AVG is so high. When others start to pitch around him, his BB will come.
Actually its a lot nitpicky.
But then, I guess now I'm nitpicking.
We have enough youth.
How about a fountain of "smart"?
It's not really all that nitpicky when the guy in question has a BABIP over .400 and a LD% of 15%. His IsoD is .018, and that's going to hurt him if those hits stop finding holes and falling in.Actually its a lot nitpicky.
But then, I guess now I'm nitpicking.
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He's demonstrated the ability to take pitches in the GCL last year.
Also, he's had quite a few atom balls so far.
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Is there a good source for BIP data for him? I note his overall GB% so far is about 71% and I wonder if anyone knows where I can find a good hit chart for him.
EDIT: His GB% is not 71%. My error -- I was at another page and I thought I was still at the Montero page. His GB% is really only about 42%.
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When you are hitting every ball hard, they tend to find more holes. That is why his BABIP is so high. It is not a statistical anomaly. When they stop pitching to him on a regular basis, he will have a lot more walks and his numbers will even out. I am not worried about him.
I agree it's hard to argue with the BABIP, as its one of the more constant stats out there YASS.
I will say though that if you look at his SLG%, and particularly the doubles, the BABIP in his particular case doesn't look quite as shaky as far as "hits falling in". I'd say, in this instance, for a guy to look for a case against the guy based on walks to Ks as definitely nitpicky. Tony Rizzo in Greenville is somewhat similar to Montero but doesn't have the SLG% that Montero has. Personally I'm always going to take a guy thats lacing the ball and making things happen over a guy that's getting a few more walks everytime.
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How about a fountain of "smart"?
I don't disagree with you. I would certainly prefer solidly hit balls to walks every time, but ... this is something that's going to have to be watched as he progresses. Guys who sting the ball pretty consistently are sometimes slow to learn the value of patience at the plate (witness Robbie Cano).
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I'd also be interested to know what his P/PA was if I could find it.
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Well put. Point taken.
Hopefully it is a case of pitchers still pitching to him rather than him not taking pitches.
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Last year in the GCL in 107 ABs he had a 12/18 BB/K rate, and none of the walks were intentional.
There's SOME sort of discipline there, and considering that he's hitting the ball so hard right now, the low BB total this year doesn't really concern me at all.
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AVG G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG OPS
.358 25 106 20 38 11 0 3 20 58 2 18 0 1 .373 .547 .920
Updated stats.
c-town also suppresses hr's. gotta love what he has done this year, his first experience in full season ball
"Montero hasn't delivered completely on his raw power, but he's close to projecting as an 80 hitter with 80 power on the 20-80 scouting scale"-BA
It feels like everytime I listen to the game or check the box score afterwards, he's hit at least 1 double.
To have 18 K's in 106 AB's for an 18 yr old slugger, along with everything else he has done with the bat is just amazing to me.
Cashman told Accorsi, “I feel the responsibility of millions of Yankee fans on my shoulders, fans who take this very seriously and for which every game is very important. I think of that every day.”
9 game hitting streak.
QFT...
"Montero hasn't delivered completely on his raw power, but he's close to projecting as an 80 hitter with 80 power on the 20-80 scouting scale"-BA
I have no idea what QFT means.
quoted for truth
quoted for truth, as that is exactly what i did today, and sure enough he had a 2B
"Montero hasn't delivered completely on his raw power, but he's close to projecting as an 80 hitter with 80 power on the 20-80 scouting scale"-BA
10 game hitting streak.
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Nuther day, nuther double for Montero.
18 Ks in 111 ABs isn't too shabby for a guy with his SLG%. 2nd in total bases in the Sally League.
I see he's 8th in SLG% in the Sally. I'd bet a bag of balls that most every guy ahead of him has at least two years on him in age.
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How about a fountain of "smart"?
And they probably aren't catchers, either.
I think catching all those games in a row is getting to him. His average has dropped below .350
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