clearly.Originally Posted by b_joseph
clearly.
Then why make an issue of his start then? Tabata will hit so there is no real need for the Mendoza line comment.
"Owning the Yankees," Steinbrenner once said, "is like owning the Mona Lisa."
He is pointing out the fallacy in stating that Tabata could have handled Trenton 2 years ago given that he is hardly tearing it up now.
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Montero v. RHP
11-22 (.500) 3 2B, 2 HR, 8 RBI.
Don't tease me, you know what I do for a living.
or perhaps he is overreacting to a small sample size. Either or both could be the case.
Trenton was in tough today. Tabata 2 for 4, avg 244. The kid has to adjust to a higher level, long way from Mendoza.
Updated stats. 7 game hitting steak.
Not walking so much eh?
Not worried if you are hitting like he is that's fine but I could stand a few more BB's.
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They're going to figure out not to throw to him pretty soon. More BB's then.
"No, I would not like to reconsider being a Yankee fan, and no, marrying a New Englander should have no bearing on it."
One thing to remember - it can take a year or so for guys to recover fully from removal of the hamate bone. Here's an old John Manuel story:
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today...0331wrist.html
Tabata had surgery on August 18, 2007 - so it's not beyond the realm of posibility that he could disappoint at the start of the season, only to turn it on towards the end. The biggest thing is that he stay healthy
If Montero keeps hitting like this, the organization faces a big question - do you hold him back to improve his catching skills, or do you promote him based on his bat?
He threw out another attempted basestealer last night.
Jesus
Calmer than you are.
Except, throwing out Freedie Freeman is kinda like throwing out Jason Giambi. Not to knock his defense or anything like that.
Cashman told Accorsi, “I feel the responsibility of millions of Yankee fans on my shoulders, fans who take this very seriously and for which every game is very important. I think of that every day.”
The announcer called the throw "a laser" so it sounded pretty impressive.
LOL, I'm sure it was since he does have plus arm strength.
Cashman told Accorsi, “I feel the responsibility of millions of Yankee fans on my shoulders, fans who take this very seriously and for which every game is very important. I think of that every day.”
So if he has a great arm and made a laser throw, what does it matter who was running?
Right.
Freddie's dead. That's what I said.
We have enough youth.
How about a fountain of "smart"?
Wrong.
Having a plus arm and making laser throws doesn't guarantee that you will catch most runners. Foot work and release times are just somethings that factor into being a guy that can shut down a running game.
Cashman told Accorsi, “I feel the responsibility of millions of Yankee fans on my shoulders, fans who take this very seriously and for which every game is very important. I think of that every day.”
I know about footwork and pop times, thanks. He made a "laser" throw it was accurate, and he by your own admission has plus armstrength. Don't you think he footwork and pop were there given the results?
They're totally independent. Making an accurate laser throw means much less without footwork and poptime, the same way being really fast and sure-handed in the OF means much less without getting good jumps and taking good routes.
If the runner was slow (as was stated), a strong armed guy could have his poor footwork and release overlooked.
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Jaret Wright's 2005 Cy Young Season: 20-3, 3.04 ERA
When its Freddie Freeman running, no. Again, throwing out a Giambi type runner doesn't take good footwork.
Cashman told Accorsi, “I feel the responsibility of millions of Yankee fans on my shoulders, fans who take this very seriously and for which every game is very important. I think of that every day.”
Thats correct but all these things have to work in conjunction in order to be, like I mentioned, a guy that can shut down the running game.
Cashman told Accorsi, “I feel the responsibility of millions of Yankee fans on my shoulders, fans who take this very seriously and for which every game is very important. I think of that every day.”
(I'm agreeing with you)
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Jaret Wright's 2005 Cy Young Season: 20-3, 3.04 ERA
Yeah, and last night he gave a really good demonstration of what kind of throw he can make when he gets things right.
OH, I hope so.....j/k
Cashman told Accorsi, “I feel the responsibility of millions of Yankee fans on my shoulders, fans who take this very seriously and for which every game is very important. I think of that every day.”
Yeah, I hope he can stay at catcher long term.
Cashman told Accorsi, “I feel the responsibility of millions of Yankee fans on my shoulders, fans who take this very seriously and for which every game is very important. I think of that every day.”
He also made a great play on the last play of the game. Vasic threw a wild pitch which bounced back to Montero who had the presence of mind to start a rundown by going after the guy coming home.
I'm just amazed with the total package. He is tied for 1st in the league in hits that include a bunch of experienced college aged guys and he is only 18. He would be a HS senior if he was American and the plate discipline is freakish for a guy with 80 power. Jaw dropping talent.
Cashman told Accorsi, “I feel the responsibility of millions of Yankee fans on my shoulders, fans who take this very seriously and for which every game is very important. I think of that every day.”
Though he hasn't walked yet, he does tend to swing at strikes. Julio Mosquero, the Yankees catching guru thinks the world of him cause he works so hard.
Absolutely true. However, defense in the middle of the diamond(C, 2B, SS, CF) is much more important than the corners. I never said that there's a position where defense doesn't matter, just that D at 1B is not very important. That's why a team doesn't need a great defensive 1B as long as he can hit.
Montero would have the most value at C. At 1B, he'd still be very good but nothing otherworldly. And that's why he needs to remain at C.
Your post is weird... you agree and disagree with me. The disagree part is something that I never said.
32 - Cito Culver, SS, New York HS
82- Angelo Gumbs, CF, California HS
112- Rob Segedin, 3B, Tulane
145- Mason Williams, OF, Florida HS
175- Thomas Kahnle, RHP, Lynn University
There's gonna be a pretty good one out there in FA this upcoming year. Also, a guy like Hosmer is a possibility in the draft. It's easier to find a great 1B than a great C. Oh, and that list you provided is pretty biased.
32 - Cito Culver, SS, New York HS
82- Angelo Gumbs, CF, California HS
112- Rob Segedin, 3B, Tulane
145- Mason Williams, OF, Florida HS
175- Thomas Kahnle, RHP, Lynn University
I would lose control of my bladder if he dropped to us.
jesus has a hit in 9 of his last 10 games, and 6 of those games were multihit games.
and while he hasnt BBed much, he only has 10 K's in 51 AB's
"Montero hasn't delivered completely on his raw power, but he's close to projecting as an 80 hitter with 80 power on the 20-80 scouting scale"-BA
No, average to above average defense, great hitter
I wouldn't consider any of those guys great hitters.
Calmer than you are.
I'd prefer to stay away from 15-20 m per for 7-10 years.
Hosmer? I doubt it.
Calmer than you are.
well as i stated, none of thos players fit the category of average to above average defense and great hitter
some of them are good hitters compared to catchers, but i wouldnt really call any of them great hitters
I wouldn't consider any of those guys great hitters.
obviously pujols is in a different category, and helton has been a pretty good hitter (143 OPS+)
but
gonzalez has 127 OPS+ the last 3 seasons (no consistent playing time in texas)
Tex has a 130 career OPS+
Lee has a 125 career OPS+
"Montero hasn't delivered completely on his raw power, but he's close to projecting as an 80 hitter with 80 power on the 20-80 scouting scale"-BA
Victor Martinez was a lot better behind the plate in 07', I'd defnitely call him average to above average. Posada, no.
Gonzalez has had good two seasons not 3. Lee has been up and down. I'd put Tex there.
Again, I'd rather get Montero's bat to he majors ASAP. I'd also hate to see him fail at catcher for 2 years, then the Yankees tell him to go learn 1st. I'd rather just see him start there, because even if he is below average-average he could still stick there.
Calmer than you are.
Doesn't really take a rocket scientist to learn 1B. Montero will have to PROVE that he can't stick at C before he's moved to 1B.
32 - Cito Culver, SS, New York HS
82- Angelo Gumbs, CF, California HS
112- Rob Segedin, 3B, Tulane
145- Mason Williams, OF, Florida HS
175- Thomas Kahnle, RHP, Lynn University
still, he is right there with lee and tex, and younger.
while i think it would be nice to see him ASAP, i think it doesnt matter when his bat reaches the majors, but it matters how much value he will have to the yankees. that value of being even an adequate C with his bat is borderline incredible, where as his bat at 1B makes him just one of the guys
"Montero hasn't delivered completely on his raw power, but he's close to projecting as an 80 hitter with 80 power on the 20-80 scouting scale"-BA
Not if Boras sets the demands high enough.
32 - Cito Culver, SS, New York HS
82- Angelo Gumbs, CF, California HS
112- Rob Segedin, 3B, Tulane
145- Mason Williams, OF, Florida HS
175- Thomas Kahnle, RHP, Lynn University
http://http://riveraveblues.com/
Somebody finally figured out how to contain Jesus Montero
Headline from River Ave Blues article. Charleston didn't play last night
Yeah I know you're right. But I just had to get my "Freddie's dead" in there. Probably nobody's old enough to remember the song but what the heck.
But seriously though, I think we all know a guy as tall as Montero is going to have a challenge with release time. But that doesn't mean he can't make it as a good defensive catcher. Bench and Carlton Fisk were both big guys too.
We have enough youth.
How about a fountain of "smart"?
No, he isn't there with Lee and Tex, those guys have been doing it for a long time, he's been doing it for 2 years. You can't compare the two.
I'd love to have one of 'the guys.' I'd also prefer to have a catcher that is more then adequate, IMO its the most important defensive position on the field.
Calmer than you are.
I fondly remember the days of my youth when Russell Martin and Brian McCann were gunning down the likes of Maury Wills and Vince Coleman.
Mo' Nut: One Smoove Brotha.
Jaret Wright's 2005 Cy Young Season: 20-3, 3.04 ERA
Defense is only important relative to how many runs you create. How many runs you create minus how many runs you give up (or plus how many you save) is what is important. You can have a poor defensive player anywhere on the diamond if they create enough runs to more than make up for it. Of course it's more helpful to have a guy who creates a lot of runs and doesn't give up any, but it's not absolutely necessary. This is the same reason you can have an amazing defensive player that doesn't create a lot of runs in your lineup. It's all relative. But to pretend like the two things are independent of eachother as some posters have in this thread is either ignorant of the facts or dishonest.
RIP Cory Lidle. Forever a Yankee.
I still believe.
Do you?
Calmer than you are.
They had rockets for arms. Only way you were going to catch those two thieves.
Mo' Nut: One Smoove Brotha.
Jaret Wright's 2005 Cy Young Season: 20-3, 3.04 ERA
9 game hitting steak. Hitting .375 during that steak with 11 RBI's.
Last edited by Tabata; 04-17-08 at 06:14 PM.
i'd like to see more BB's, but i guess when you're hitting like he's hitting, you're not going to let many pitches get past you
Gonzalez is. For the amount of power he delivers for a team that plays 1/2 their games in an airport, he is up there.
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