His body can't take it anymore. Neither can the team. Look at his fielding stats.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/...umn=zoneRating
He needs to move to first base, where he'd be well above average.
1B - Jeter
2B - Cano
3B - Betemit
SS - Visquel
LF - Damon
CF - Melky
RF - Abreu
C - Posada
That there's the best defense the yanks have seen for decades. Plus they got plenty o pop.
Theres no doubt Jeters defense is getting bad but this wont even be an issue for another 3 or 4 years.
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lol, my thoughts exactly...Originally Posted by yanksphan
Lance Berkman is a Yankee!! Finally a Rice U. guy on the team!
A 41 year old with an OPS of .621 to take his place? No thanks.
Agreed (though not on Vizquel), but keep dreaming.
I look forward to more pirouettes and jump throws, at least it looks nice.
This continues to be the oddest postseason I've seen. Even moreso than 1995, which was the most recent overhaul.
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How many 1B do we plan to have?
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what do you plan to do with Giambi and Matsui?
I wanted him to move years ago, but it ain't happening. Next.
You mean when we acquired that guy who was a better shortstop?
Wonder if this move was ever offered to, or requested by, ARod / Boras.
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Jeter isn't moving from SS, and you can't just stick a guy at 1B and assume good defense or a smooth transition on offense either. We just lost Donnie and Torre, and now I have to listen to people suggesting moving Jeter again, and the worst of the worst, adding Barry Bonds...I need a rest.
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This is worse than any of my threads.
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What makes people think that such a lineup can compete against the Red Sox? Plenty of pop? Soda pop?
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"move jeter to cf"
"move jeter to 1b"
"move jeter to catcher"
"move jeter to pitching coach"
"move jeter to a bagel store"
"move jeter to ..."
every winter. never fails.
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WHen you are a quite below average defensive shortstop, and particularly in past years when there was already a better one on the team, its kind of to be expected.
Not saying it will happen anytime soon tho
Why don't they just platoon Jeter, Posada, Giambi, Phillips, Matsui, Damon, at 1B... then get Tino out of retirement for insurance...
Roger Maris = single season "natural" home-run record-holder.
Move Jessica Alba to shortstop...
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Can he get me an everything with a shmear?!?!
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I understand that argument, but while Fredo might have been the better SS, he was also the far better 3B...Jeter doesn't have the arm for 3B, so the only way to make it work was Jeter at SS and A-Rod 3B. This isn't even going into the argument that these are people not video game characters, and they don't just switch positions at the click of a button.
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IMO it won't take that long, I hope not.
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Video game or no, doesn't change the problem that the Yankees have subpar defense at two of the most important spots on the field, catcher and shortstop.
It doesn't hurt to look for options.
My hope is that all of his problems defensively were due to naggin injuries. Hopefully he comes back healthy next year and can at least be servicable. Id like to have Alberto Gonzalez on the roster next year though for late inning replacement or to occasionally spell Jeter.
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It must be that time of year again. Seems like a really good idea though, not much else going on....
Well, it's not as bad as the Tribune thread.
So, you got that going for you.
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No, certainly not, that wasn't my point. I was talking about the switching of A-Rod and Jeter, or moving Jeter now. Eventually it will have to be done and we can only hope Jeter goes about it in a classy way as he has always done. I just hate how people think you can tell Jeter tomorrow he is moving to 1B or 3B and think he is just going to be ok with it and it won't effect his leadership in the clubhouse and on the field, as well as his play in the field and his offense.
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Jeter to CF would be better. He isn't slow and he has a good arm. He's a natural CF, imo.
It'll never happen, but it'd be the optimal situation. Then you stick Melky in RF and Damon/Matsui platoon at LF/DH
Then again, you'd need to then search for a shortstop.
All in all, he's fine where he is.
I think it's probably easier for a lifelong shortstop to make a move that keeps him in the infield. that said, I don't think the Yanks need to move Jeter very soon. He's regressed from above average to average. Nothing to panic about considering his offensive contributions. It's not easy to find an available shortstop who fields better than Jeter and is decent offensively. If the Yankees are smart, they won't sign anymore bad fielding sluggers and Jeter can move into the DH slot in 3 or 4 years. Maybe Alberto Gonzalez develops into a solid contact hitter by then.
Jeter was the worst ss in the major leagues. Significantly so. Visquel was the best, and he would be extremely cheap.
If jeter had been league average we'd have won the al east.
You all have gotten spoiled by having a superstar at every position. That's not what this team needs. This lineup is as good as any 1-8.
1. damon
2. jeter
3. cano
4. posada
5. abreu
6. melky
7. matsui
8. betemit
9. visquel
this lineup is perfectly balanced, and every player one through eight could hit 20 hrs or more. most importantly, with arod gone, no one player is expected to do more than the others. they'll be a team, for once.
given our starters, i put my money on this team over any other right now.
Because Jeter was responsible for both the sleeping offense and the inconsistent pitching?
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No, he was responsible for the nearly five percent of balls that any competent shortstop would have gotten to.
ummm....DUH!
Don't bother, you can't win when you are dealing with great thinkers like that.
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Jeter had the worst UZR of any SS in baseball. Worse than Guillen who just got moved to 1B.
http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/inde...t_of_2007_uzr/
That said, he'll never move and the Yankees will never ask him to so it's a moot point.
Yeah, but see, maybe I'd buy that if we were losing pre-ASG due to a barrage of ground balls between second and third. But if I recall correctly, it was either because no one in the lineup could hit or because the pitching couldn't put up a scoreless frame (or keep a ball in the infield) to save its life.
Jeter's lack of range is one thing. But blaming him for losing the division is a little over-the-top, especially with all of the other factors at hand. I know he's the captain, but good grief.
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Omar Vizquel had a 62 OPS+ last year.
Derek may bite the big one defensively, especially when his knee is banged up, but he's still at least an above average player overall and a plusish player at his position thanks to his offense.
No amount of defense can make up for a 62 OPS+.
He will be better in 08.
i agree, derek jeter should move to a bagel store
He's never been a great defender and he hasn't been good in a few years. His range is non-existent. His hands are pretty good, arm pretty good, etc. Everything about his defense is pretty good, outside of the most important for a SS which is range.
He's not moving- at least not this year- so the discussion isn't particularly enlightening. Most of us realize he's slowly going to become a defensive liability. But that's for a different time. He's not "killing" them on defense, and the rest of his overall game remains pretty darn good.
I know its the off season but can people stop bringing this s*** up? IT WONT HAPPEN. Get over it and move on.
We already have a logjam at the 1B/DH spot for at least another year or two, why would we throw Jeter into that mess now? I agree that his defense is going downhill, but at least wait until some of the dead weight at those positions is gone. Matsui, Giambi, and Damon will all be off the team two years from now, then maybe when Jeter is turning 36 we can think about maybe transitioning to 1B.
But it's not happening now or anytime soon. Get used to it. Jeter is the SS for at least another 3 years probably.
there's no way yankees are going to cut ties with torre and mattingly and then ask their captain to switch positions all within a matter of weeks.
What? Jeter is not even good enough for the OF anymore?
So he plays all year on a bad knee and is incapable recovering in the off season?
Now he's a cripple and can't handle any position but 1B?
That's some 1st ballot HOF player we have. Maybe we should just spare ourselves all of this intelligent "debate" and put him out with the "rest of" the trash right now. One bad post season and he's "done", who cares about everything he has done for the franchise? Yesterday's news.
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