Will Levine, Hank and Hal show remorse and bring Joe back?

[ericns1]

George had remorse after getting rid of Hower, and Buck. Will he or Moe, Larry and Curly (levine, Hank and Hal) reallze the backlash and apologize to Joe and offer him his current salary and whatever terms he wants to come back? There is still hope until Joe goes elsewhere.

[-tz]

Oh joy, another Torre thread.

The answer is no.

[4bronxbombers]

omg.


Unfortunately I think not.

[Octoberbaby]

I don't think Joe would come back now even if they did!

[Murcer1]

They treated Joe very shabbily and they should be ashamed of themselves. I think they'll regret it in the long run when they see it's not as easy as it seems to win year after year.

[Toaderly]

Keep bringing up Levine and this thread will be shut down in seconds.

[The Q Bomb]

Joe has pride? Well, they have pride too. As I've said, ad infinitum, The Yankees handled the decision on whether to re-sign Torre very badly, but I would hope that they thought this out very carefully and put forth the offer in good faith. I would hate to believe what everyone in the media is saying and what seems to be the thoughts of "mere fans" that The Yankees offered Torre a contract they knew would be unacceptable to get out of re-signing him. I would hope they had the "Yankee Pride" to just tell him they were moving in another direction. I have to assume that they made the offer in good faith (unless I hear concrete evidence to the contrary). If that is the case, why would they change their minds? They'd look even worse.

Now, if they hire another manager and things don't work out next season they might reconsider but even that is highly unlikely. And do you really think they would ask him back after next season when he would be 69 years old? Unfortunately, (because it ended so badly) I think this ship has sailed.

[TheBamTino24]

Busy Friday night as Yankees team president Randy Levine just returned a call. Here are his thoughts on several topical subjects:

On Joe Torre being “insulted” by the contract offer: “There was no intent to insult Joe, we all have tremendous respect for him. He has had incentive clauses in previous contracts with the Yankees. We were all stunned and remain stunned that he turned the deal down.”

http://yankees.lohudblogs.com/

Levine is from the school of negotiators and politicians. "Feeling bad" or second guessing is not in that DNA.

Who knows, maybe if the team flounders in 2008 you'll hear the "FIRE-RANDY" chants.

[Sam18]

“There was no intent to insult Joe, we all have tremendous respect for him. He has had incentive clauses in previous contracts with the Yankees. We were all stunned and remain stunned that he turned the deal down.”

What a monster.

[TheBamTino24]

What a monster.

This is Levine. You're just scratching the surface here. This guy was selected to represent the owners during the 1994 strike. He got room for a new Yankee Stadium in the Bronx.

Getting rid of Torre is child's play for him. B

ut I do think he's underestimating Yankee fans. These are not the typical blowhards he deals with. Levine is now the executioner when it comes to Torre's job as manager. You better win and not even be caught j-walking because that fury is always ready to erupt.

[Yankees1962]

If the Yankees have a bad season next year, the media will not allow the Yankee fans to forget what happened on Thursday. All parties involved in Torre not coming back will have their names in lights. I really, really hope the Yankees get out of the gates well in April, otherwise, we will be subjected to a public hanging as soon as then because the media will be unrelenting in their attacks on the Yankee Brass. Matter of fact, forget until next season, it could start as soon as one of our free agents doesn't comeback and remain so until the Yankee performace on the field is good enough to counter such media attacks.

Just look how Torre was treated today in that news conference. I have never seen a manager/coach that beloved among that group. They won't let us forget him or how he left. I actually feel sorry for the Yankee Brass because they will be treated far worse than anything that happened to Torre this week.

[Dr. Gonzo]

If the Yankees have a bad season next year, the media will not allow the Yankee fans to forget what happened on Thursday. All parties involved in Torre not coming back will have their names in lights. I really, really hope the Yankees get out of the gates well in April, otherwise, we will be subjected to a public hanging as soon as then because the media will be unrelenting in their attacks on the Yankee Brass. Matter of fact, forget until next season, it could start as soon as one of our free agents doesn't comeback and remain so until the Yankee performace on the field is good enough to counter such media attacks.

Just look how Torre was treated today in that news conference. I have never seen a manager/coach that beloved among that group. They won't let us forget him or how he left. I actually feel sorry for the Yankee Brass because they will be treated far worse than anything that happened to Torre this week.

its been a few years since a good april, maybe we are due, f the mamager, i just want to see the players win, can we move on.

I still love the yankees, you still love the yankees, everything is fine, this day was coming anyway, and no matter how it was handled it was going to be bad (unless joe retired), and none of us want him hanging around till he thinks he is ready.

[Yankees1962]

its been a few years since a good april, maybe we are due, f the mamager, i just want to see the players win, can we move on.

I still love the yankees, you still love the yankees, everything is fine, this day was coming anyway, and no matter how it was handled it was going to be bad (unless joe retired), and none of us want him hanging around till he thinks he is ready.

Our love for the Yankees has nothing to do with it now. The Yankee Brass is the one that has put the onus on winning the WS every season. They're the ones that have to live up to that lofty goal. I've been going to baseball games for over 45 years and it was never my intention to have the Yankees win the WS every season, otherwise, the season was a failure.

Furthermore, we can never move on with that mentality because every year in which the Yankees fail to win the WS, what happened this week will become an issue again for the Yankee Brass, media and Yankee fans. What happened to Torre isn't the end, but the continous cycle of events for the many years to come when unrealistic goals are not met by whomever is occupying the manager's position for the Yankees and his superiors.

[jimmyclark]

I could see a younger George make a new offer to Torre. But not Levine and The Young Elephants. I think they will have strength in numbers to stand fast. As far as outcry, isn't it a good guess attendance will be 4 million+ again due to "Last year of Yankee Stadium" unless they thoroughly mess up the offseason with Pettitte, Posada, Rivera and Rodriguez? 2009 with "New Yankee stadium" should bring in lots of dollars.

[27th-in 05]

. . . I would hope that they thought this out very carefully and put forth the offer in good faith. I would hate to believe what everyone in the media is saying and what seems to be the thoughts of "mere fans" that The Yankees offered Torre a contract they knew would be unacceptable to get out of re-signing him. I would hope they had the "Yankee Pride" to just tell him they were moving in another direction. I have to assume that they made the offer in good faith (unless I hear concrete evidence to the contrary). If that is the case, why would they change their minds? They'd look even worse.

Wow, if they made the offer in good faith, that speaks to their extreme lack of intelligence and judgment. Could they really have thought that that was NOT an insulting offer to a man like Joe Torre. They had to motivate him? Really? The man is a future a hall of famer - give me a break. And by the way, maybe if Cashman hadn't gone into the season depending on Carl Pavano, and Igawa. My point being if they all share the blame, as they said, why aren't they reworking all of their contracts to this performance-based mode . . . starting with Randy Levine.

Also, if they know anything about baseball (questionable for most of them), couldn't they have realized the effect of a one-year contract (considering the snipers in that room) and the effect it would have on their players, as Torre pointed out in the press conference and even Scott Boras commented on after it went down.

I have to conclude that they are a bunch of very bad actors. Who knows what it will lead to in the future? I prefer George's bluster and stupid, impulsive firings, etc. At least he was genuine - I feel sad to be a Yankee fan right now, because they were so disingenuous and couldn't show 1/4 of the class in letting Torre go that he has shown over the years . . . all this, whether or not you appreciate some of his moves, bullpen management, etc. There's my 2 cents.

[longtimeyankeefan]

Wow, if they made the offer in good faith, that speaks to their extreme lack of intelligence and judgment. Could they really have thought that that was NOT an insulting offer to a man like Joe Torre. They had to motivate him? Really? The man is a future a hall of famer - give me a break. And by the way, maybe if Cashman hadn't gone into the season depending on Carl Pavano, and Igawa. My point being if they all share the blame, as they said, why aren't they reworking all of their contracts to this performance-based mode . . . starting with Randy Levine.

Also, if they know anything about baseball (questionable for most of them), couldn't they have realized the effect of a one-year contract (considering the snipers in that room) and the effect it would have on their players, as Torre pointed out in the press conference and even Scott Boras commented on after it went down.

I have to conclude that they are a bunch of very bad actors. Who knows what it will lead to in the future? I prefer George's bluster and stupid, impulsive firings, etc. At least he was genuine - I feel sad to be a Yankee fan right now, because they were so disingenuous and couldn't show 1/4 of the class in letting Torre go that he has shown over the years . . . all this, whether or not you appreciate some of his moves, bullpen management, etc. There's my 2 cents.

I love that people are quoting this issue -

Walter Alston - a HOF manager - signed 23 consecutive one-year contracts with the Dodgers. In those days, the manager had to prove himself.

Now, we live in an era that no manager can have less than a multi-year contract or it "undermines his authority".

Guess what - Torre managed with a one-year contract. After the 2007 Yankees started 21-29, did he get fired? NO!!

[TheBamTino24]

I love that people are quoting this issue -

Walter Alston - a HOF manager - signed 23 consecutive one-year contracts with the Dodgers. In those days, the manager had to prove himself.!

Are you really trying to compare this era to one 50 years ago? Different landscape. The last year of a contract running out is very different than being signed to a 1 year deal.

Are we going to offer a 1 year deal to Girardi, Mattingly, or Pena?

And if the Yankees honestly wanted Torre to return and are "stunned" he rejected it, why would you put up a "take it or leave it" approach.

It doesn't add up. They didn't want him and tried to save face. It goes on in business all the time.

[TheBamTino24]

"We're going to be interviewing maybe as many as five, six candidates, and we'll see how that goes," Hank Steinbrenner said. "The job, there's been no real decision on that yet. They're going to be real interviews, and probably starting next week."

The classic quotes continue.

["The Straw"]

I love that people are quoting this issue -

Walter Alston - a HOF manager - signed 23 consecutive one-year contracts with the Dodgers. In those days, the manager had to prove himself.

Now, we live in an era that no manager can have less than a multi-year contract or it "undermines his authority".

Guess what - Torre managed with a one-year contract. After the 2007 Yankees started 21-29, did he get fired? NO!!

And it took him twice as many years as Torre to win 4 WS

["The Straw"]

And if the Yankees honestly wanted Torre to return and are "stunned" he rejected it, why would you put up a "take it or leave it" approach.

It doesn't add up. They didn't want him and tried to save face. It goes on in business all the time.

Good Post

Torre said he was in there for 20 minutes 12 years of service and sucess,He flew to Tampa on his own after hanging on a hook for almost two weeks and they gave him 20 minutes with no negotion. YEAH! they wanted him to return Don't blow smoke up my a$$ and tell me it's sunshine.

[27th-in 05]

Good Post

Torre said he was in there for 20 minutes 12 years of service and sucess,He flew to Tampa on his own after hanging on a hook for almost two weeks and they gave him 20 minutes with no negotion. YEAH! they wanted him to return Don't blow smoke up my a$$ and tell me it's sunshine.

Excellent point . . . I agree 100%. And maybe the smoke was from Hank's cigarettes.

[Mr. Mxylsplk]

George had remorse after getting rid of Hower, and Buck. Will he or Moe, Larry and Curly (levine, Hank and Hal) reallze the backlash and apologize to Joe and offer him his current salary and whatever terms he wants to come back? There is still hope until Joe goes elsewhere.

When Steinbrenner made those moves you refer to, he was being his impulsive self. There was no impulse in this decision. The yanks thought through what they wanted to do, and decided to give Torre an offer he wasn't likely to accept. They surely anticipated his reaction, and were prepared to let him walk without offering anything more. There will be no reconsideration - he's done with the yankees.

[Murcer1]

If the Yankees have a bad season next year, the media will not allow the Yankee fans to forget what happened on Thursday. All parties involved in Torre not coming back will have their names in lights. I really, really hope the Yankees get out of the gates well in April, otherwise, we will be subjected to a public hanging as soon as then because the media will be unrelenting in their attacks on the Yankee Brass. Matter of fact, forget until next season, it could start as soon as one of our free agents doesn't comeback and remain so until the Yankee performace on the field is good enough to counter such media attacks.

Just look how Torre was treated today in that news conference. I have never seen a manager/coach that beloved among that group. They won't let us forget him or how he left. I actually feel sorry for the Yankee Brass because they will be treated far worse than anything that happened to Torre this week.

I couldn't agree with you more. It's great to have the goal of winning it all every year, but it is unrealistic to EXPECT that you are going to win every year. They have set themselves up for a big fall here. I fear it's going to go back to the early Steinbrenner years of hiring and firing managers every minute and getting nowhere in the process. We've been spoiled by the success of the past decade and it's not going to last forever.

[the_coach]

If the Yankees have a bad season next year, the media will not allow the Yankee fans to forget what happened on Thursday. All parties involved in Torre not coming back will have their names in lights. I really, really hope the Yankees get out of the gates well in April, otherwise, we will be subjected to a public hanging as soon as then because the media will be unrelenting in their attacks on the Yankee Brass. Matter of fact, forget until next season, it could start as soon as one of our free agents doesn't comeback and remain so until the Yankee performace on the field is good enough to counter such media attacks.

Just look how Torre was treated today in that news conference. I have never seen a manager/coach that beloved among that group. They won't let us forget him or how he left. I actually feel sorry for the Yankee Brass because they will be treated far worse than anything that happened to Torre this week.

Well put...and the cynical (dopey) media even applauded at the end of the press conference. The next manager is in a tough spot...he'll need to make it to the ALCS...with the 'incentive contact'.

[BxBomber44]

front office messed this up big time and to make it worse they wont realize. so no, torre's era is done as much as it shouldn't be.

[Octoberbaby]

Wow, if they made the offer in good faith, that speaks to their extreme lack of intelligence and judgment. Could they really have thought that that was NOT an insulting offer to a man like Joe Torre. They had to motivate him? Really? The man is a future a hall of famer - give me a break. And by the way, maybe if Cashman hadn't gone into the season depending on Carl Pavano, and Igawa. My point being if they all share the blame, as they said, why aren't they reworking all of their contracts to this performance-based mode . . . starting with Randy Levine.

Also, if they know anything about baseball (questionable for most of them), couldn't they have realized the effect of a one-year contract (considering the snipers in that room) and the effect it would have on their players, as Torre pointed out in the press conference and even Scott Boras commented on after it went down.

I have to conclude that they are a bunch of very bad actors. Who knows what it will lead to in the future? I prefer George's bluster and stupid, impulsive firings, etc. At least he was genuine - I feel sad to be a Yankee fan right now, because they were so disingenuous and couldn't show 1/4 of the class in letting Torre go that he has shown over the years . . . all this, whether or not you appreciate some of his moves, bullpen management, etc. There's my 2 cents.

Sorry to say but I feel the same way. I never thought I would ever feel this way about the Yankees but the present ownership has made me feel this way because of the way they treated Joe. It shows a lack of class, and human kindness. It shows the organization is no longer about playing baseball but the business of baseball. It shows they could care less about the fans.

I was disappointed we didn't get to the WS but I could have lived with that with hope for next year. What I can't live with is hopelessness. They have taken away hope by treating Joe this way when he didn't deserve it. If anything they should have been thanking Joe for the job he did this year bringing the team back from the brink of failure.

The Yankees have been my team for my whole life and now I just have lost the enthusiasm for next year that I have always had even when we didn't win in the post season. I just don't care to root for an organization that does things this way. I may feel better about the team if things improve but I will never feel better about the way they treated Joe.

[Kickyt]

The sad thing is the lack of class shown Joe Torre was inexcusable...but it also served to remove him from any future events at the stadium....Why oh why didn't they handle it differently?.....2 more years and then a life-long job in the organization...then we would have tributes his World series teams for years to come...This all makes me so sad.

[Octoberbaby]

The sad thing is the lack of class shown Joe Torre was inexcusable...but it also served to remove him from any future events at the stadium....Why oh why didn't they handle it differently?.....2 more years and then a life-long job in the organization...then we would have tributes his World series teams for years to come...This all makes me so sad.

Ditto.

[powerpinstripes]

Ditto.

Double Ditto

[ksison]

Double Ditto

Triple Ditto

[Murcer1]

Triple Ditto

Quadruple Ditto