Next years system wide rosters (first crack)

[budstinks]

	New York	Columbus	Trenton (AA)	Tampa (A)	Charleston	Staten Island	Tampa ®		DSL 1	DSL 2
1	Chein Ming Wang	Alan Horne	Daniel McCutcheon	Ryan Pope	Jario Heredia		Arodis Vizcaino		Joel Marte
2	Andy Pettitte	Humberto Sanchez	Jason Jones (22)	Dellin Bentences	Zach McAllister				Richard Martinez
3	Joba Chamberlain	Chase Wright (22)	Bret Smith (21)	Ivan Nova	Casey Erickson				Franciso Rondon
4	Phillip Hughes	Tyler Clippard (22)	George Kontos	Michael Dunn	Adam Obrykowski				Ronny Marte
5	Ian Kennedy	Jeff Marquez (23)	Phil Coke (22)	Grant Duff	Tim Norton				Jean Conde
6	Kei Igawa	Matt DeSalvo (25)	Anthony Claggett	Christian Garcia (19)	Francisco Castillo				Erik Tapia
	Mike Mussina			Ryan Zink	Tim Dennehy
A	Mariano Rivera	Kevin Whelan	J. Brent Cox	Jonathan Hovis	Kelvin Perez	Brandon Thompson			Gustavo Suescan
B	Kyle Farnsworth	Steve White (26)	Mark Melancon	Edgar Soto	Dickson Marquez	Jake Shafer			Johnny Cordoba
C	Luis Vizcainio	Russ Ohlendorf	Eric Wordekemper	Ferdin Tejada	Noel Castillo	Kyle Hollander			Pedro Sanchez
D	Edwar Rameriez	Jeff Kartsens (24)	David Robertson	Paul Patterson	Luke Trubee	Michael Hyde			Elvin Oroszco
E	Brian Bruney	T. J. Beam (25)	Mike Gardner	Eric Hacker (22)	Jonathan Ortiz	Jason Kiley			Luis Lozano
F	Sean Henn (26)	Chris Britton	Zach Kroenke	Jason Stephens	Jacinto Gonnel	Josue Selene
G		Steven Jackson	Joshua Schmidt	Chris Farley	Dan Kapala	Wilkens De La Rossa
H		Scott Patterson	Jose Valdez	Nicolas Chigges	Stephen Artz
			John Axford	Lance Pendleton	Manual Barreda
				Angel Reyes	Craig Heyer	Jeff Livek
			Elvis Quezeda	Guilmo Villinanova	Nicolas Peterson	Justin Segal
			Wilkins Arias	Garrett Patterson	Jesse Hoover	Matt Foard
C	Jorge Posada	PJ Pilletre	Francisco Cervelli	Kyle Anson	Austin Romine	Chase Weems	Francisco Arcia
C	Jose Molina	William Nieves (28)	Jared Greenwood	Jose Gil	Jesus Montero	Gerardo Rodriquez	Yeider Cheiros
1B	Andy Phillips (28)	Eric Duncan (21)	Cody Ehlers (23)	Brad Suttle	Braedyn Pruitt	Andres Dionicio			Ray Gomez
2B	Robinson Cano	Reggie Corona	Kevin Russo	Damon Sublett	Prilys Cuello	Wilmer Pino	Jose Toussen		Juan Rijo
SS	Derek Jeter	Alberto Gonzalez	Ramiro Pena (20)	Eduardo Nunez	Kelvin Castro	Carmen Angellini	Jose Pirela		Julian Herrera
3B	Alex Rodriquez	Angel Chavez	Marcos Vechianacci (18)	Mitchell Hilligoss	Brandon Laird	Ryan Wehrle	Jimmy Paredes			Damien Taveras
LF	Hideki Matsui	Bronson Sardinha (23)	Colin Curtis	Justin Snyder	Taylor Grote	Austin Krum	Jahdiel Santamaria		Alvaro Rameriez	Francisco Santana
CF	Johnny Damon	Brett Gardner	Austin Jackson	Seth Fortenberry	Abraham Almonte	David Williams	Carlos Urena
RF	Melky Cabrera (21)	Matt Carson (23)	Jose Tabata	Josue Calzado	Zolio Almonte	Matt Morris	Arky Lapaix		Kevin DeLeon	Alexis Arosemena
DH	Jason Giambi	Juan Miranda	Chris Malec	Andres Perez	Wady Rufino	Mel Mesa	Alverto Acosta
1B	Shelly Duncan (26)	Jason Brown		Kevin Smith	Tim O'Brien	Brian Chavez				Wangel Baez
UTL	Wilson Betemit	Justian Christian (26)	Edward Gonzalez (22)	Chris Kunda	Luis Nunez	Isiah Howes	Walter Ibarra
			Tim Battle	Brian Aragon	DJ Hollingsworth	Frank Lonigro
				James Cooper	Taylor Holiday	Larry Day	Danny Cox
				Brian Baisley	Gary Gattis
							Rudy Guillen (22)
		Andy Cannizaro	Gabe Lopez (26)	Andrew McCracken	Gabe Medina	Rolando Japa	Daniel Gil
	Roger Clemens	Erubial Durazo	Jamal Strong	Mike Martinez (23)
	Bobby Abreau	Ben Kozlowski	Joe Muich
	Doug Meintkewitz	Omir Santos (25)	Justin Pope (27)
	Darrell Rasner (26)	Jose Veras	Charlie Manning
	Carl Pavano	Colter Bean	Mike Kinkade
		Kevin Thompson (26)
		Hammer away!

As you can tell, I don't even know what to do with alot of the shortseason talent. I think you will see alot of upward movement from the lower levels. As they higher level guys will have to keep moving up or out. Because there is someone behind you coming to take your spot.

[budstinks]

Of course, if Ohlendorf continues to pitch like he did tonight, you can write him into the bullpen next year.

Not to mention, what guys do in Hawaii and Az, and who's actually healthy come ST can change everything. We were all worried where all our starters were going to pitch early this year, and by the time the season started half were on the DL and we were scrambling.

[Tabata]

We don't play in Columbus anymore.

[budstinks]

We don't play in Columbus anymore.

lol, old spreadsheet.

[geodork]

Aren't they working Hilligoss out at 2nd in instrux? Could they try to bump him all the way up to AA at 2nd? Then they could put Suttle at 3rd and Someone else (Pruitt?) at 1st in Tampa. But I think that Sublett has to be at 2nd in Tampa, like you have it. Also, with Pruitt at 1st in Tampa, they could have G-Rod (who is no longer a "C") and Wady Rufino in a 1B/DH platoon and Snyder playing all over the place in a Chone Figgins "super-utility" type of role.

Also, I think that Almonte and Grote could switch LF and CF, but maybe they will just keep them in fixed positions throughout the year.

What about Cox and Wehrle? Also, Strausbaugh is being converted to a "C", though that might not stick. If it does, he will be in the mix in either the GCL or SI.

Just some initial thoughts. Trying to find places for everyone will be interesting. Nice problem to have.

[YankProspector]

I love this...great work ..I'll ignore Columbus..

Where do you project Angel Reyes?

Hopefully Romine/Montero/Weems don't end up on the same team. I'd like each to be given prime catching time.

[genius-24]

	New York	Columbus	Trenton (AA)	Tampa (A)	Charleston	Staten Island	Tampa ®		DSL 1	DSL 2
1	Chein Ming Wang	Alan Horne	Daniel McCutcheon	Ryan Pope	Jario Heredia		Arodis Vizcaino		Joel Marte
2	Andy Pettitte	Humberto Sanchez	Jason Jones (22)	Dellin Bentences	Zach McAllister				Richard Martinez
3	Joba Chamberlain	Chase Wright (22)	Bret Smith (21)	Ivan Nova	Casey Erickson				Franciso Rondon
4	Phillip Hughes	Tyler Clippard (22)	George Kontos	Michael Dunn	Adam Obrykowski				Ronny Marte
5	Ian Kennedy	Jeff Marquez (23)	Phil Coke (22)	Grant Duff	Tim Norton				Jean Conde
6	Kei Igawa	Matt DeSalvo (25)	Anthony Claggett	Christian Garcia (19)	Francisco Castillo				Erik Tapia
	Mike Mussina			Ryan Zink	Tim Dennehy
A	Mariano Rivera	Kevin Whelan	J. Brent Cox	Jonathan Hovis	Kelvin Perez	Brandon Thompson			Gustavo Suescan
B	Kyle Farnsworth	Steve White (26)	Mark Melancon	Edgar Soto	Dickson Marquez	Jake Shafer			Johnny Cordoba
C	Luis Vizcainio	Russ Ohlendorf	Eric Wordekemper	Ferdin Tejada	Noel Castillo	Kyle Hollander			Pedro Sanchez
D	Edwar Rameriez	Jeff Kartsens (24)	David Robertson	Paul Patterson	Luke Trubee	Michael Hyde			Elvin Oroszco
E	Brian Bruney	T. J. Beam (25)	Mike Gardner	Eric Hacker (22)	Jonathan Ortiz	Jason Kiley			Luis Lozano
F	Sean Henn (26)	Chris Britton	Zach Kroenke	Jason Stephens	Jacinto Gonnel	Josue Selene
G		Steven Jackson	Joshua Schmidt	Chris Farley	Dan Kapala	Wilkens De La Rossa
H		Scott Patterson	Jose Valdez	Nicolas Chigges	Stephen Artz
			John Axford	Lance Pendleton	Manual Barreda
				Angel Reyes	Craig Heyer	Jeff Livek
			Elvis Quezeda	Guilmo Villinanova	Nicolas Peterson	Justin Segal
			Wilkins Arias	Garrett Patterson	Jesse Hoover	Matt Foard
C	Jorge Posada	PJ Pilletre	Francisco Cervelli	Kyle Anson	Austin Romine	Chase Weems	Francisco Arcia
C	Jose Molina	William Nieves (28)	Jared Greenwood	Jose Gil	Jesus Montero	Gerardo Rodriquez	Yeider Cheiros
1B	Andy Phillips (28)	Eric Duncan (21)	Cody Ehlers (23)	Brad Suttle	Braedyn Pruitt	Andres Dionicio			Ray Gomez
2B	Robinson Cano	Reggie Corona	Kevin Russo	Damon Sublett	Prilys Cuello	Wilmer Pino	Jose Toussen		Juan Rijo
SS	Derek Jeter	Alberto Gonzalez	Ramiro Pena (20)	Eduardo Nunez	Kelvin Castro	Carmen Angellini	Jose Pirela		Julian Herrera
3B	Alex Rodriquez	Angel Chavez	Marcos Vechianacci (18)	Mitchell Hilligoss	Brandon Laird	Ryan Wehrle	Jimmy Paredes			Damien Taveras
LF	Hideki Matsui	Bronson Sardinha (23)	Colin Curtis	Justin Snyder	Taylor Grote	Austin Krum	Jahdiel Santamaria		Alvaro Rameriez	Francisco Santana
CF	Johnny Damon	Brett Gardner	Austin Jackson	Seth Fortenberry	Abraham Almonte	David Williams	Carlos Urena
RF	Melky Cabrera (21)	Matt Carson (23)	Jose Tabata	Josue Calzado	Zolio Almonte	Matt Morris	Arky Lapaix		Kevin DeLeon	Alexis Arosemena
DH	Jason Giambi	Juan Miranda	Chris Malec	Andres Perez	Wady Rufino	Mel Mesa	Alverto Acosta
1B	Shelly Duncan (26)	Jason Brown		Kevin Smith	Tim O'Brien	Brian Chavez				Wangel Baez
UTL	Wilson Betemit	Justian Christian (26)	Edward Gonzalez (22)	Chris Kunda	Luis Nunez	Isiah Howes	Walter Ibarra
			Tim Battle	Brian Aragon	DJ Hollingsworth	Frank Lonigro
				James Cooper	Taylor Holiday	Larry Day	Danny Cox
				Brian Baisley	Gary Gattis
							Rudy Guillen (22)
		Andy Cannizaro	Gabe Lopez (26)	Andrew McCracken	Gabe Medina	Rolando Japa	Daniel Gil
	Roger Clemens	Erubial Durazo	Jamal Strong	Mike Martinez (23)
	Bobby Abreau	Ben Kozlowski	Joe Muich
	Doug Meintkewitz	Omir Santos (25)	Justin Pope (27)
	Darrell Rasner (26)	Jose Veras	Charlie Manning
	Carl Pavano	Colter Bean	Mike Kinkade
		Kevin Thompson (26)
		Hammer away!

As you can tell, I don't even know what to do with alot of the shortseason talent. I think you will see alot of upward movement from the lower levels. As they higher level guys will have to keep moving up or out. Because there is someone behind you coming to take your spot.

Nicely Done.

Some thoghts,

-Karstens, DeSalvo needs to be traded. They are all AAAA propects/players.
-Steve white should be traded b.c he is too old to be starter and at best he will be 5th best BP arm. Also, he has good value right now.
-T-Clipp needs to be traded if he starts doing good again. His value is quite low right now.
-Beam needs to be DFA/Traded. The guy is AAAA player.
-Jason Jones should be in AAA or he should be traded. Guy has done well in AA. No need to stop his growth.
-Meloncon should be in Tampa.
-Tim battle should stop playing baseball.
-Betances, Nova should start in Charleston.

[lemonjello]

Charleston is going to be really exciting to follow next season if your predictions are accurate (and I do think we will see a lot of those guys there).

[Matsui55]

This is always tough because too many things can happen between now and April- injuries, trades, releases, retirements.

This year will be no different. I think few Yankee fans will deny that the big league club still has some significant holes that the Yanks will explore filling this off-season. However, to fill holes, you have to trade a lot of talent from the minors.

While this is a good effort, I think that December and January will drastically revise these lists- as in a LOT of names will be taken off, which by attrition, will simply the lists.

For example, assuming no trade is made (and that might not be a good assumption), I think Kennedy opens April in AAA, with Igawa and Mussina in NY- the loser in the pen. IMO, there is absolutely zero chance that the Yanks entrust Bruney or Henn with a roster spot in 2008, let alone being on the 25 man roster in April. I think they will go outside the system to fill those spots, or give Ohlendorf and others a shot.

Another example- on your lists, there are no fewer than 8 guys who could start in AAA- I doubt all of them are there in January- through trades, releases, call-ups, etc. Also, don't rule out Sanchez in the pen, or McCutchen going straight to AAA next year.

IMO, it is going to be a VERY busy year in the upper levels in terms of transactions, maybe an unusually heavy year.

I think the better idea for this chart would be to make it an interactive one- that is, use color coding for MOVEMENT. For example, red for guys traded out, gree for guys coming in, yellow for bubble guys, black for released players, etc.

In other words, I would suggest a new post where your charts can be used as player movement trackers, so that anytime someone wants to know what happened to so-and-so, or how many potential starters are in AA, they can just consult the movement chart.

[Buzah!]

Japa jumped the team and no one knows where he is.

And McCutchen is definitely start in AAA, while some of Karstens/DeSalvo/Rasner crew will have been traded off.

[genius-24]

And McCutchen is definitely start in AAA, while some of Karstens/DeSalvo/Rasner crew will have been traded off.

DMac only had 41 innings in AA.

Shouldn't he be moved b4 all star break to AAA? Granted, he little old.

[NYDCYankee]

Even with all the graduations this year, the farm still looks loaded, with almost ready to contribute arms and depth. Truly an exciting time for Yankee fans.

[genius-24]

Even with all the graduations this year, the farm still looks loaded, with almost ready to contribute arms and depth. Truly an exciting time for Yankee fans.

Oh yea, we wont see scott ericsons and terrence longs of the world for a while now.

[budstinks]

Aren't they working Hilligoss out at 2nd in instrux?

Yes, and I can't figure out why? Other than they want him to learn all the positions to be a utility guy.

[budstinks]

Japa jumped the team and no one knows where he is.

And McCutchen is definitely start in AAA, while some of Karstens/DeSalvo/Rasner crew will have been traded off.

Definitely is a strong word. His K9's aren't all that great. If they were as good as the rest of his numbers, I'd agree with you. But right now its a toss up. There's alot more experienced pitchers ahead of him, but I could certainly see the Yanks start him at AAA.

I keep thinking the Yanks will trade off those AAAA pitchers as well, but they never seem to. I guess they figure for what they can actually get in return, they are just as well to hang on to them as cheap insurance (at least til they run out of options).

[budstinks]

This is always tough because too many things can happen between now and April- injuries, trades, releases, retirements.


While this is a good effort, I think that December and January will drastically revise these lists- as in a LOT of names will be taken off, which by attrition, will simply the lists.

I agree 100%. I keep these lists as a way to keep track. But they are ALWAYS very volatile. It is the nature of the beast that kids come and go. And much off that attrition is in the offseason.

I've already put some of the ones that may/could/have attritioned off in green. Obviously, there will be more.

Injuries will scramble everything in May.

[budstinks]

Where do you project Angel Reyes?

He's a tough one. He was highly average in Charleston. He ended up in the GCL pen down the stretch. He apparently lost a lot of velocity.

If he's healthy, I could see him starting as high as Tampa, if he's not, who knows. He was nearly unhittable in 06. If he pitches out of the gate, there are only two choices, Charleston or Tampa.

I picked Tampa ONLY because I'm a firm believer that if these kids aren't moving forward, they are moving back. There are just TOO MANY arms at all levels for players to stay stagnant in this system.

Of course, if he's not back to 06, he's definitely a candidate for Extended ST.

[budstinks]

Nicely Done.

Some thoghts,

-Karstens, DeSalvo needs to be traded. They are all AAAA propects/players.
-Steve white should be traded b.c he is too old to be starter and at best he will be 5th best BP arm. Also, he has good value right now.
-T-Clipp needs to be traded if he starts doing good again. His value is quite low right now.
-Beam needs to be DFA/Traded. The guy is AAAA player.
-Jason Jones should be in AAA or he should be traded. Guy has done well in AA. No need to stop his growth.
-Meloncon should be in Tampa.
-Tim battle should stop playing baseball.
-Betances, Nova should start in Charleston.

Some people forget that Karstens is still only 24 (will turn 25 in the offseason). He was 13-6 in 06, and 5-0 in the minors in 07 despite battling injuries. He just doesn't throw gas.

I really like White in the bullpen. I think he could easily be a Scott Proctor.

I've always liked Beam. He throws gas. I'd hold onto him and see if he can't pull it together.

Jones may be a quad A player as well, hence his lack of movement.

I don't know what to think about Battle. Conversion to P is definitely crossing my mindd.

I could see holding DB back at Charleston as he didn't pitch much this year, but Nova made 21 starts at Charleston with good numbers. Only his K9's were pedestrian. I'd move him up to Tampa.

[Tabata]

Did you hear Kevin DeLeon was going to start in the DSL or are you just putting him there right now because you haven't heard anything yet?

[budstinks]

Did you hear Kevin DeLeon was going to start in the DSL or are you just putting him there right now because you haven't heard anything yet?

I haven't heard anything. But we've got so many of'ers that many will linger in the GCL just like this season.

Deleon's so young, it wouldn't hurt him to stay back like Urena did. But honestly, I think its up to him. If he comes out and LOOKS and WORKS like he is US ready, he will be here.

But keep in mind that the Yanks signed THREE highly touted outfielders, after what we've seen the last couple of years, it could be one of others that shines early instead. (I've added these guys to the new rosters that I will post after corrections).

Kelvin DeLeon (of) 1.1 million
Arodys Vizcaino (rhp) .8 million
Elio De La Rosa (3b) .75 million
Henry Pena (of) .6 million
Eduardo Sosa (of) .5 million

Sounds like from PP's discussion with Rios about SS Jose Mojica, whom was older than they thought, may be the one most ready now. But where ANOTHER ss would play is beyond me. But we all know that true talent will push others aside.

[budstinks]

I think the better idea for this chart would be to make it an interactive one- that is, use color coding for MOVEMENT. For example, red for guys traded out, gree for guys coming in, yellow for bubble guys, black for released players, etc.

I'm tying to use

Green - moving out. If they've already moved, I try to put them off the rosters at the bottom (also in green).

Red means injured or has been injured.

Orange means pending F/A.

Yellow means drafted/signed this year.

I started out (never finished) that blues are on the 25 man and the lighter blues are some of the cheaper contracts. But I think I should go with 25 and 40 rosters. The other blue was made to designate real prospects from filler. (I'll use that peach for prospects) and purple for the filler.

I've obviously got work to do, but here's the re-edited version which includes some players left off.

	New York	Columbus	Trenton (AA)	Tampa (A)	Charleston	Staten Island	Tampa ®		DSL 1	DSL 2
1	Chein Ming Wang	Alan Horne	Daniel McCutcheon	Ryan Pope	Jario Heredia		Arodis Vizcaino		Maicar Sousa
2	Andy Pettitte	Humberto Sanchez	Jason Jones (22)	Dellin Bentences	Zach McAllister				Richard Martinez
3	Joba Chamberlain	Chase Wright	Bret Smith (21)	Ivan Nova	Casey Erickson				Franciso Rondon
4	Phillip Hughes	Tyler Clippard	George Kontos	Michael Dunn	Adam Obrykowski				Ronny Marte
5	Ian Kennedy	Jeff Marquez	Phil Coke (22)	Grant Duff	Tim Norton				Jean Conde
6	Kei Igawa	Matt DeSalvo	Anthony Claggett	Christian Garcia (19)	Francisco Castillo				Erik Tapia
	Mike Mussina			Ryan Zink	Tim Dennehy
A	Mariano Rivera	Kevin Whelan	J. Brent Cox	Jonathan Hovis	Kelvin Perez	Brandon Thompson			Gustavo Suescan
B	Kyle Farnsworth	Steve White	Mark Melancon	Edgar Soto	Dickson Marquez	Jake Shafer			Johnny Cordoba
C	Luis Vizcainio	Russ Ohlendorf	Eric Wordekemper	Ferdin Tejada	Noel Castillo	Kyle Hollander			Pedro Sanchez
D	Edwar Rameriez	Jeff Kartsens	David Robertson	Paul Patterson	Luke Trubee	Michael Hyde			Elvin Oroszco
E	Brian Bruney	T. J. Beam	Mike Gardner	Eric Hacker (22)	Jonathan Ortiz	Jason Kiley			Luis Lozano
F	Sean Henn	Chris Britton	Zach Kroenke	Jason Stephens	Jacinto Gonnel	Josue Selene			Joel Marte
G		Steven Jackson	Joshua Schmidt	Chris Farley	Dan Kapala	Wilkens De La Rossa
H		Scott Patterson	Jose Valdez	Nicolas Chigges	Stephen Artz
			John Axford	Lance Pendleton	Manual Barreda	Rudy Guillen (22)
	Roger Clemens		Justin Pope (27)	Angel Reyes	Craig Heyer	Daniel Gil
	Darrell Rasner (26)		Charlie Manning	Andrew McCracken	Gabe Medina	Jeff Livek
	Carl Pavano		Elvis Quezeda	Guilmo Villinanova	Nicolas Peterson	Justin Segal
	Ron Villone	Jose Veras	Wilkins Arias	Garrett Patterson	Jesse Hoover	Matt Foard
C	Jorge Posada	PJ Pilletre	Francisco Cervelli	Kyle Anson	Austin Romine	Chase Weems	Francisco Arcia		Jorge Liccien
C	Jose Molina	William Nieves (28)	Jared Greenwood	Jose Gil	Jesus Montero	Strausburg	Yeider Cheiros		Josue Rodriquez
1B	Andy Phillips (28)	Eric Duncan (21)	Cody Ehlers (23)	Brad Suttle	Braedyn Pruitt	Gerardo Rodriquez			Ray Gomez
2B	Robinson Cano	Reggie Corona	Kevin Russo	Damon Sublett	Prilys Cuello	Wilmer Pino	Jose Toussen		Juan Rijo
SS	Derek Jeter	Alberto Gonzalez	Ramiro Pena (20)	Eduardo Nunez	Kelvin Castro	Carmen Angellini	Jose Pirela		Jose Mojica	Julian Herrera
3B	Alex Rodriquez	Angel Chavez	Marcos Vechianacci (18)	Mitchell Hilligoss	Brandon Laird	Ryan Wehrle	Jimmy Paredes		Elio De La Rosa	Damien Taveras
LF	Hideki Matsui	Bronson Sardinha (23)	Colin Curtis	Justin Snyder	Taylor Grote	Austin Krum	Jahdiel Santamaria		Eduardo Sosa	Francisco Santana
CF	Johnny Damon	Brett Gardner	Austin Jackson	Seth Fortenberry	Abraham Almonte	David Williams	Carlos Urena		Henry Pena	Alvaro Rameriez
RF	Melky Cabrera (21)	Matt Carson (23)	Jose Tabata	Josue Calzado	Zolio Almonte	Matt Morris	Arky Lapaix		Kevin DeLeon	Alexis Arosemena
DH	Jason Giambi	Juan Miranda	Chris Malec	Andres Perez	Wady Rufino	Mel Mesa	Alverto Acosta
1B	Shelly Duncan (26)	Jason Brown	Edward Gonzalez (22)	Kevin Smith	Tim O'Brien	Andres Dionicio			Edwin Beard OF	Wangel Baez
UTL	Wilson Betemit	Justian Christian (26)	Tim Battle	Chris Kunda	Luis Nunez	Isiah Howes	Walter Ibarra
		Andy Cannizaro	Gabe Lopez (26)	Brian Aragon	DJ Hollingsworth	Frank Lonigro
				James Cooper	Taylor Holiday	Larry Day	Danny Cox
	Bobby Abreu			Brian Baisley	Gary Gattis	Brian Chavez
	Doug Meintkewitz	Omir Santos (25)
		Erubial Durazo	Jamal Strong	Mike Martinez (23)		Rolando Japa
		Ben Kozlowski	Joe Muich
		Colter Bean	Mike Kinkade
		Kevin Thompson (26)

[Jonny]

I would put Betances in Charleston and Corona in Trenton. Also would switch Almonte and Dave Williams.

edit: Is Norton going to be back?

[ewaters77]

This system is great, thank you for creating it!

[indianyanksfan]

Holy Carp We Have So Many Pitchers!

[budstinks]

I would put Betances in Charleston and Corona in Trenton. Also would switch Almonte and Dave Williams.

edit: Is Norton going to be back?

My thought process with Betances was to have him in Tampa where they can monitor him better.

With Corona, theres upward pressure from below for 2b, especially if Hilligoss converts also. Now Corona actually did a good job playing SS this year, but it seems like the system is stocked there as well. So I put Corona at AAA after only 140 so AA at bats mainly because, thats the smallest leap, not as much difference between the two levels.

And I happen to like Russo and wanted to find a home for him. The Yanks could easily consider him an organizational type and play Reegie at Charleson.

You're probably right about Williams and Almonte.

[budstinks]

edit: Is Norton going to be back?

Good question. He hasn't pitched since late April when he went down with an upper body injury. Not sure if I ever heard what had happened.

[indianyanksfan]

Good question. He hasn't pitched since late April when he went down with an upper body injury. Not sure if I ever heard what had happened.

i thought i had heard that his injury wasnt too serious. someone posted it earlier but i dont remember.

and i'd love for you to tell us your sleeper pics among the pitchers!

GREAT JOB!

[Buzah!]

DMac only had 41 innings in AA.

Shouldn't he be moved b4 all star break to AAA? Granted, he little old.

He's older than Joba and Ian, and neither of them lingered anywhere too long. Cutch has dominated AA and should start in AAA.

[indianyanksfan]

He's older than Joba and Ian, and neither of them lingered anywhere too long. Cutch has dominated AA and should start in AAA.

when do you think they'll convert him to a reliever where his stuff translates better or can he be a solid ML starter to complement the wang/hughes/chamberlain/kennedy quartet?

[lemonjello]

I heard that Norton had pretty serious shoulder surgery, so he may be out for a while.

[primetime714]

Honestly I don't see Matt Desalvo sticking with the team. I think theres a very good chance we just let him go.

I think the final spot in the Scranton rotation will be Steven White, Jeff Karstens, Darrell Rasner, or Kei Igawa. My money is on White who I think the team is going to keep as a starter at least a little longer.

Also wouldn't be surprised to see Clippard start the year in AA. We really needs to get back on track before he goes up to AAA again. I see him potentially taking Claggert's spot in the AA rotation with Claggert pitching out of the bullpen.

Angel Reyes, I think when healthy he stays a starter. Its too early to convert him, but I do think there is a very good chance he ends up being a reliever.

Has Brad Suttle been moved to 1B or is that in the plans? Haven't heard anything about that

[Buzah!]

when do you think they'll convert him to a reliever where his stuff translates better or can he be a solid ML starter to complement the wang/hughes/chamberlain/kennedy quartet?

I dunno if they're gonna, he's really progressing as a starter.

[jaffa]

Where's the room in the rotation though? 4 spots are most likely taken, and one of horne, marquez, sanchez etc etc will take the last spot. Unless they keep him there just so he has higher trade value?

[Buzah!]

They'll keep him there till he proves he'd be better off in the pen, but so far he's showing no signs of that.

[genius-24]

I really have tough time figuring out the 5 SPers for SWB next year.

To simplify,

Potential starters

Alan Horne
Jeff Marquez
Chase Wright
Tyler Clippard
Daniel McClutchan
Jason Jones
Matt DeSalvo
Jeff Karstens
and,
Humberto Sanchez.

Then you have Steven White and possibly Kei Igawa.

Obviously Alan and Jeff M. are lock as 1-2. Then you have Wright who 99% will start as 3rd starter. There are 6 players competing for the last two spots.
Karstens and DeSalvo don't have much potential and most likely they wont improve much. So, looking at the situation, they should be the first ones to be left out. Then you have Humberto's situation. Im pretty sure Cash has said they will try him out first as a starter due his potential and stuff. So suddenly he gets ahead in the line. That makes him the fourth starter.

Now you have, DMac, T-Clipp and JJ who will be competing for the 5th spot.

DMac is the older of the three. He has pitched 41 innings but during those 41 innings he has put up some very good numbers. One would be 1.02 WHIP.
T-Clipp had a down year this year. He went through some injury problems and he was awful in NY. Also, he hasn't responded well to the demotion.
JJ, is 24 and he will turn 25 in November. I don't have scouting report on this guy but looking at his Trenton numbers he has done well.

Obviously, lot will be decided during ST. As of now I think DMac wins by slight edge over T-Clipp. JJ will stay as a long man. If Humberto is groomed as closer then obviously DMac is moved into the 4th spot and T-Clipp is moved into the 5th spot.

Steven White will either be converted to reliever or he will be traded. Kei Igawa will work as a 5th starter or he will come out of the pen.

[Yankees1962]

If Sanchez is ready in April, I think he stays in the warm climate of Florida until May and gradually takes a stop at Trenton then SWB. IMO, the SWB starters on April 1st barring injury are the following.

Horne
Marquez
Wright
McClutchan
????????

[Snatch Catch]

I don't think Wehrle will be relegated to SS ball next year.

[Skars]

There's no way hes getting a starting spot in Charleston though. He's gotta get himself together

[Skars]

I really have tough time figuring out the 5 SPers for SWB next year.

To simplify,

Potential starters

Alan Horne
Jeff Marquez
Chase Wright
Tyler Clippard
Daniel McClutchan
Jason Jones
Matt DeSalvo
Jeff Karstens
and,
Humberto Sanchez.

Then you have Steven White and possibly Kei Igawa.

Doesnt really seem that difficult

AAA:

Horne
Marquez
Clippard
Wright
White

AA:
McCutchen
Smith
Kontos
Claggett
Jones

Igawa will start in the majors, Karstens/Rasner will be traded or in the pen, and Sanchez likely wont start the season on one of the rosters. At some point he'll probably start at Trenton and move up, but Jones is expendable and White is more likely to be in the pen. DeSalvo they already gave up on once before, so its far from a stretch that such will be the case again

[genius-24]

Doesnt really seem that difficult

AAA:

Horne
Marquez
Clippard
Wright
White

AA:
McCutchen
Smith
Kontos
Claggett
Jones

Igawa will start in the majors, Karstens/Rasner will be traded or in the pen, and Sanchez likely wont start the season on one of the rosters. At some point he'll probably start at Trenton and move up, but Jones is expendable and White is more likely to be in the pen. DeSalvo they already gave up on once before, so its far from a stretch that such will be the case again

If White will be moved to pen then why start him? He already is too old.
DMac and JJ has done well, no need to stop their growth. Look what happened to Brett Smith.

[BrandonA33]

Thanks for the list. I always wanted to do a list like that, color coded and all and see how close I get. I am lazy, and never did.

[Matsui55]

There's no way hes getting a starting spot in Charleston though. He's gotta get himself together

That is a guy in serious need of winter ball somewhere- he missed what, half or more of the college season? He needs AB's and a structured environment.

You know, with development of younger players becoming such a priority, while they can't make them come, or organize the workouts, I think the Yanks should just let the kids know where the gate keys are and let them stay in Tampa and use the minor league complex all winter (or let them hang around the big leaguers and learn something).

[Matsui55]

Doesnt really seem that difficult

AAA:

Horne
Marquez
Clippard
Wright
White

AA:
McCutchen
Smith
Kontos
Claggett
Jones

Igawa will start in the majors, Karstens/Rasner will be traded or in the pen, and Sanchez likely wont start the season on one of the rosters. At some point he'll probably start at Trenton and move up, but Jones is expendable and White is more likely to be in the pen. DeSalvo they already gave up on once before, so its far from a stretch that such will be the case again

I agree that Igawa will likely be in NY (or traded), and that Karstens and Rasner really don't have a role if they can't break into the pen next year- I think that AAA could have the biggest shake-up.

I don't think that it should be a suprise if the Yanks aggressively promoted McCutchen to AAA- after all, he is a bit older already, and his stuff should translate equally as well in AAA- he is a VERY experienced college starter.

I also think that Wright could go back to AA, and I wonder whether the Yanks give Phil Coke a shot at AA (just to try and develop a lefty starter).

Given the fact that at least Chamberlain and Hughes will start 2008 in NY, with a good chance that Kennedy will either start there, or be there by May, the Yanks MIGHT want to have a veteran innings eater option they can put in AAA until the end of May to be on the safe side.

There are also the inevitable off-season trades.

[Buzah!]

Looks like Kennedy is up for good.

[Yankees1962]

Looks like Kennedy is up for good.

Where are all those guys that bemoaned that first selection last June? Maybe, this Oppenheimer guy knows what he's doing.

[metalboy15]

I agree that Igawa will likely be in NY (or traded), and that Karstens and Rasner really don't have a role if they can't break into the pen next year- I think that AAA could have the biggest shake-up.

I don't think that it should be a suprise if the Yanks aggressively promoted McCutchen to AAA- after all, he is a bit older already, and his stuff should translate equally as well in AAA- he is a VERY experienced college starter.

I also think that Wright could go back to AA, and I wonder whether the Yanks give Phil Coke a shot at AA (just to try and develop a lefty starter).

Given the fact that at least Chamberlain and Hughes will start 2008 in NY, with a good chance that Kennedy will either start there, or be there by May, the Yanks MIGHT want to have a veteran innings eater option they can put in AAA until the end of May to be on the safe side.

There are also the inevitable off-season trades.

If someone, out of those 3, is starting in the minors next season, is Chamberlain... he´s not ready to handle ML workload IMO.

[NY_GOLDENARMS]

If someone, out of those 3, is starting in the minors next season, is Chamberlain... he´s not ready to handle ML workload IMO.

I disagree that he will be back in the minors as I see all 3 sticking in the bigs but I know for fact that Chamberlin is not ready for a 200 inning workload next year.

[metalboy15]

I disagree that he will be back in the minors as I see all 3 sticking in the bigs but I know for fact that Chamberlin is not ready for a 200 inning workload next year.

I´ll tell you what, it is the right move IMO (to start Joba in the minors next season), that way you can limit his innings, and he can work on his curveball and changeup.

[NY_GOLDENARMS]

I´ll tell you what, it is the right move IMO (to start Joba in the minors next season), that way you can limit his innings, and he can work on his curveball and changeup.

Its my opinion that his innings should be limited but it won't be in the minors. He is so dominating that he can work on his curve and change at the big league level, all he is missing is consistency with both pitches.

[metalboy15]

Its my opinion that his innings should be limited but it won't be in the minors. He is so dominating that he can work on his curve and change at the big league level, all he is missing is consistency with both pitches.

I don´t know, limiting his innings at the major league level doesn´t seem like a very good idea to me, that would tax the bullpen big time... unless he serves as our long man/spot starter at the start of next season (ala Francisco Liriano), I would be ok with that...