What does rediculos mean?Originally Posted by Yankeesfan811
What does rediculos mean?
If I had 3 wishes... One of my wishes would be to make a select few of you Pirates Fans.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I almost spit out my water all over my laptop
Ridiculous, even.
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It means the play that locks up the Rookie of the Year Award.
REDICULOS = short for ... REDDELICIOUSSOX type of a play
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Very clearly the play was so amazing, it required the coining of a new word.
At first, I was going to say that BJ Upton should win it by a landslide, but then realized that Upton wasn't a rookie anymore.
So, as of now I'd say the main three candidates are Brian Bannister, Delmon Young, and Dustin Pedroia in no particular orders.
If the ROY voters don't consider the placement of the team (which, unlike MVP, shouldn't matter), it could go to amy one of them.
They don't (and shouldn't) consider team records, but what will have an impact is media exposure. Of the three, it's safe to say that Pedroia will get the most screen time.
His play last night will get him lots of exposure on that one.
Originally Posted by CanoForPresident
Yeah dude, all bowl games are championship games. .
Young's low obp will kill him. I'd be surprised if he finishes top 3.
A ROY with 6 HRs, 42 RBI, and 5 SBs? Conversely, one with 17 HRs(Fields) or 71 RBI(Young) whose OPS is 100 pts. lower? Or, one whose BA/OBP is similar to Pedroia's but with 25 SBs but with no HRs and even fewer 2Bs and RBI(Willits)? Honestly, I think it'll almost have to be a pitcher, and that would be Bannister.
I'll be shocked if its not Pedroia.
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How about Brian Bannister? 12-7, 3.16 ERA...I think he's gotta be right at the top of the list.
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Man the Mets made some brutal trades this offseason, Burgos for Bannister, Heath Bell has turned into the 8th inning guy in front of Hoffman, some bad ones for Omar.
I've paid attention to the NL rookies this year and pretty much know who the winner is gonna be (braun), but none of the AL rookies numbers really stand out to me. So who do you guys think will win the AL ROY?
EDIT: sorry i didn't see the dustin pedroia thread.
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Omar is a genius. Don't forget, one off season he landed the best pitcher(Pedro) and the best hitter(Beltran) available. How many GMs can say that?
What's that you say? He simply threw more money at either guy than any other team?
What's that? Pedro got hurt in year two and Beltran has had one good season in three?
Omar is a genius, really.
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Very true. He's closing strong, bigtime. Has anyone seen him pitch? How's he getting guys out with only 71 Ks in 140 innings? His minor league numbers seem closer to 1k per inning.
Anyway, he's got the Yanks for his next start. That could get some voters' attention!
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I don't think his offensive numbers are all that amazing, but I have to admit that Pedroia's defense is pretty good. He's only a rookie, and I don't like his look. His look fits right into the Boston/Yankee rivalry with that "Boston Red Sox look".
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Bannister is very, very impressive - plus he's Floyd son, that's gotta count for something
I like Pedroia - he's having a solid season but I don't think he is ROY material by any means. He's a good piece of the puzzle - nothing more. Dice-K, Oki and Dustin should split up the Boston vote anyway so I don't think any of them have much of a chance.
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Sometimes you're the ball.
If bias comes into play at all, then I think Pedroia has a good chance of winning. Too many red sox fans out there. Some voters perhaps. Too much Boston exposure. Too much going his way. I also think he gets a sympathy vote for being an undersized person, like David Epstein. He's not fast, he's not quick, etc., etc., but he plays the game the old fashioned way. That's why a lot of voters could lean towards him.
Originally Posted by CanoForPresident
Yeah dude, all bowl games are championship games. .
I don't think he needs bias - just people to fairly judge him by his play. His defense has been more than solid and:
Pedroia 0.324 AVG, 0.393 OBP, 0.840 OPS
Last two AL position players
2003 Berroa 0.287 AVG, 0.338 OBP, 0.789 OPS
2004 Crosby 0.239 AVG, 0.319 OBP, 0.745 OPS
So clearly Pedroia is way better offensively this year than either of the last two position player ROY's were.
The defensive stats that I found also look better than those two, but I don't think it's a fair comparison because of the 2B versus SS ...
So if there is a lack of bias, he has a good shot to win. There are other legitimate contenders who are also deserving, but I disagree with the contention that Pedroia needs "bias" to be able to win.
I agree with you on Bannister. He has been very impressive.Bannister is very, very impressive - plus he's Floyd son, that's gotta count for something
I like Pedroia - he's having a solid season but I don't think he is ROY material by any means.
But what do you mean that Pedroia isn't ROY material? Just curious what that means. His numbers are better than the last position player winners, so what "material" is he lacking?
Willit's OPS is 100 points lower than Pedroias. Not comparable IMO.
However, I agree with you on the untelling stats (IMO - especially RBI) that do affect voters (i.e. RBIs, SBs, and HRs) will lessen Pedroia's chances.
PS I agree with you also on Bannister. He is already if not the front runner, clearly one of the front runners. If he is even close to lights out against the Yankees and pitches well in his other two starts, he will probably be a lock on ROY.
It's not always all about numbers. Just more of an overall opinion from watching him play, I think he is a very average player and not the best rookie - just one man's opinion, that's all. Doesn't do anything great, steady - I also think he's gotten alot of dink and dunk hits which could inflate the numbers.
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Sometimes you're the ball.
I think Pedroia is a lock which is odd considering:
He's on the same team as two other ROY contenders (Dice-K and Okajima) and most likely will split a vote among the homers in the voting.
and
He had a horrific start and had folks calling for Alex Cora to take his spot.
With any close individual races, it's going to come down to face time in September. He's already gotten off to a good start based on his play of game in Buchholz's no-hitter and he's playing for a playoff-contender.
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I hope all Sox rookies going forward can be so average. The guy is hitting .320, has a good amount of timely hits and is playing great defense (apart from the rediculous play he made in the no no). As far as dink and dunk hits, I watch just about every Sox game and my take is that he gets some of those -- like all players do -- but not all that many. If anything, Pedroia's "swing for the fences" upper-cut swing results in more hard hit balls than for the average player.
Whether he wins ROY the year is not a concern of mine as individual awards never meant much to me and whatever meaning they did have declined substantially the year that George King decided to let his anti-Sox or anti-Pedro bias pervert the MVP voting. But far from being average, I think Pedroia has been one of most valuable players on the Red Sox this season, and is a tremendous ballplayer.
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You are going to get a fair amount of dink hits when you put the ball in play as often as Pedroia does.
What was the play that he made?
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IIRC, there was a ball hit hard near Buchholz that he tipped slightly. Pedroia dove to stop it from going into the outfield, then got up quickly to throw Tejada out at first.
Pretty spectacular play. Sigh.
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I hope the farm system can produce a few more average players like him.
I think it is Pedroia at this point, and not close.
His August numbers....
.346/.405/.490/.896
He struck out 5 times in 113 PA's.
If he continues at this pace for the last few weeks, his rookie numbers will be fairly staggering....
I am a Yankee fan, and Pedroia is one of my least favorite Sox (I think he acts like a 15 year grizzled vet) but I have no problem with him winning the award. He certainly has a stake in it.
But if Matsuzaka gets any consideration after they effed Hideki Matsui a few years back, I'll be PO'd..
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This late in the season (and this close to the ROY vote), a performance like yesterday's will seriously injure Matsuzaka's chances of winning. Similarly, a day like Pedroia had will boost his stock in the voters' eyes.
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How good is Pedroia defensively? From the games that I have seen, he seems to have tremendous range.
I ask this to people who watch the Sox more than I do, and who are more familiar with advanced defensive metrics -- where does Pedroia rank defensively compared to his peers at second?
Stat from a post over at SoSH, but fwiw:
Defensively, he's 6th in the MLB in Zone Factor
I couldn't disagree more. I haven't notice any more dink and dunk hits than anyone else gets. In fact, there has been a lot of commentary lately that everything he hits is hard. Even his outs are hard. If anything, maybe he could be hitting in the .330 range.
I haven't seen enough of the competition to give any answer more than fanboyism, but Pedroia does get my vote for AL RoY.
What is "zone factor"?
Last UZRs I saw had Pedroia as slightly above average (+2). Seems about right.
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He's hitting .327 right now... If anything, he could be up in the .335 - .340 range
FWIW, i think .320 is the magic # for him. If he finishes at or above, i think he gets the award. If he finishes below, it might be tough
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I think for most Sox fans, Pedroia's range seems better than it actually is since we've been subject to some of the worst defensive range at the position prior to this year. Look at the regular second basemen since 2000:
Mark Loretta
Mark Bellhorn
Todd Walker
Jose Offerman
Pedroia is like Robby Alomar rangewise compared to that group of potted plants.
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The play against Tejada on Saturday notwithstanding, I have felt all seaosn long that his range going to his right was not nearly as good as it is to his left. It just seems like he makes more plays in the hole glove side than behind the 2b bag
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Not sure. You could be right.
One thing I've noticed is that Pedroia has to dive for balls that other 2Bmen might just glove normally since he's so small and has short arms. A ball that Cano would get to and make a routine play towards the middle is a diving stop for Pedroia. A lot of times, diving plays like that can lead to the illusion of good range.
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Quite frankly, I have no idea (hence the attributing of the stat to somebody else) I thought that you experts would know, and it was from a discussion of his defensive abilities, so I tossed it into the mix.
However, I'll try to find out more. I'm wondering if he mixed up zone rating and range factor.
This is one of the shortcomings of the eyeball test: If being really good at something makes it look easy, it may be that some bad players make it look spectacularly hard.
For instance a fielder who is always out of position or slow to get a read on the ball may be constantly forced into attempting explosive diving plays. This is probably not as valuable as a player who is psychic or knowledgeable enough to simply be where the ball is gonna be and casually scoop it up and flip it for the out or the DP, but the first player is a lot more likely to make the highlight reels.
The ability and drive to make spectacular and athletic plays is certainly an asset but it's only a piece of a player's overall ability to convert balls in play into outs. Pedroia certainly passes the eyeball/dirt-dog test, which IMVHO is probably more important to the awards than actual performance in terms of getting baserunners out. (Not that I think it *should* be, just that I think death-defying web gems often influence the awards more than quiet but reliable fielding).
I think that being scrappy and athletic still counts for a lot in the RoY voting, maybe more than it should. For good or for ill, that probably works in Pedroia's favor.
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Yeah, I don't know where this "soft hit" stuff is coming from. Pedroia's line-drive percentage is 18.3%, which is above the league average and behind only Ramirez, Youkilis and Lowell among the Red Sox regulars.
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