Dustin Pedroia is a wrap as Rookie of the Year [Merged - Mod]

[Dave Visbeck]

Had to get that off my chest. I have no doubts ... even though the Red Sox have two Japanese pitchers that will be getting votes too!

Anyone agree? If you don't ... well then ... who will it be for the American League?

[THEBOSS84]

Kei Igawa obviously

[Hitman23]

Well, when Utley went on the DL it was the perfect time for Pedroia top be batting over .340. On my fantasy team, he's an MVP candidate.

[Mark19]

Your thread title should be changed to:

Edit: Lone BoSox fanboy feels...

No power, no speed, writers prefer players with more tools.

My vote goes for either BJ Upton or Fausto Carmona.

[Dave Visbeck]

Your thread title should be changed to:

Edit: Lone BoSox fanboy feels...

You should see what I have picked for the season wrap in the Between The Lines area.

[Mark19]

You should see what I have picked for the season wrap in the Between The Lines area.

Oh brother, you people just won't quit

[Dave Visbeck]

Oh brother, you people just won't quit

BOLD IS WHAT I SEE ... above ^


Yankees (22-13) .629 in ... (AT BEST 93-69 .574) / Boston 97-65 .599

Yanks and Seattle tie season series at 5-5. What next?

My Projections ...
Boston 97-65 .599
Los Angeles 95-67 .586
New York 93-69 .574
Seattle 93-69 .574
Cleveland 89-73 .549
Detroit 88-74 .543


I have to add that I had the Yankees missing the playoff picture completely this season.

No Way?

[Hitman23]

My vote goes for either BJ Upton or Fausto Carmona.

Does Carmona qualify? He played a bunch last year.

Joba!!!!!!

[Mark19]

Does Carmona qualify? He played a bunch last year.

Joba!!!!!!

I wonder what the cap is he threw about 70 innings last year.
Upton had a few hundred ABs before this season although he would be pretty deserving otherwise.

[ColombiaYanksFan]

He got my vote, eventhough I can't stand him.

How's his elbow? I hope he don't rub pitchers the wrong way for his health's sake. Pitchers are snakes with a long memories.

[Dave Visbeck]

Okay ... I'm ready to get pummeled

[Mr. Mxylsplk]

I wonder what the cap is he threw about 70 innings last year.
Upton had a few hundred ABs before this season although he would be pretty deserving otherwise.

The cap's 50, so he doesn't qualify either. Too bad, he'd be a strong candidate.

[Mark19]

I'd vote for him as long as he follows the path of previous RoY infielder Angel Berroa.

[Hitman23]

The cap's 50, so he doesn't qualify either. Too bad, he'd be a strong candidate.

Strong? Man if he did he'd get my vote he's one of the best pitchers in baseball this year. Basically dominant is what he's been except a few outings.

[Panamaniac42]

Had to get that off my chest. I have no doubts ... even though the Red Sox have two Japanese pitchers that will be getting votes too!

Anyone agree? If you don't ... well then ... who will it be for the American League?

Nomo = Rookie.

Ichiro = Rookie.

Matsui = Not a rookie.

Matsuzaka = Rookie.

Okajima = Rookie.

(and yes I'm being a baby, Berroa had a case )

Bill Ballou of the Worcester Telegram & Gazette and Jim Souhan of the Minneapolis Star Tribune didn't include Matsui.

"I really do think he is not a rookie in the traditional and true sense of what a rookie is," Ballou said. "I think major league baseball has to look at redefining what a rookie is."

[genius-24]

Had to get that off my chest. I have no doubts ... even though the Red Sox have two Japanese pitchers that will be getting votes too!

Anyone agree? If you don't ... well then ... who will it be for the American League?

I doubt its going to be Dustin, Dave, though I really like the Kid's hussle even as a yankee fan.

but I think it will be Matz, Upton or Carmona(if Indians make da playoffs)

[hunter05]

Carmona is not eligible and I don't think Upton is either.

[JeffWeaverFan]

Jeremy Guthrie should win it unanimously.

[hunter05]

A player shall be considered a rookie unless, during a previous season or seasons, he has (a) exceeded 130 at-bats or 50 innings pitched in the Major Leagues; or (b) accumulated more than 45 days on the active roster of a Major League club or clubs during the period of 25-player limit (excluding time in the military service and time on the disabled list).

Upton going into this season had 334 ABs.

[hunter05]

Jeremy Guthrie should win it unanimously.

Guthrie has been pretty mediocre since the ASB, he had a very nice first half, but his numbers are trending south.

[mentalgidget]

Upton going into this season had 334 ABs.

since 2004!! That's one looooonng "rookie" year!

[NavyTim]

First 6 weeks he was batting something like .150. I don't see it going any otehr way. Dustin=ROY

[cid]

joba: 45 ip, 0 er, 10 h, 65 k

[4bronxbombers]

Kei Igawa obviously

[Nick Day]

First 6 weeks he was batting something like .150. I don't see it going any otehr way. Dustin=ROY

That's why, IMO, he will get it. He went from being an automatic out for the first two months, to being one of the leagues hottest hitters. Anyone not voting for him is using their vote as a joke. When any player goes from below the Mendoza line to a top 10 league batting average, they need to be considered for any awards their eligible for, IMO. He's got a great bat, and great defense, and doing it when every single person was saying he could never make it as a starter. I'm not just saying this because I've been a fan of Dustin since he was drafted, I'd be saying it about any rookie who turned his season around like he did

[yankeebot]

Nomo = Rookie.

Ichiro = Rookie.

Matsui = Not a rookie.

Matsuzaka = Rookie.

Okajima = Rookie.

(and yes I'm being a baby, Berroa had a case )

Not being a baby at all. Berroa deserved to win. Matsui deserved to be on everyone's ballot.

[RhodeyYankee2638]

yeah, I think Dice-K gets it

[blwalks]

Brian Bannister anyone?

Top 10 in AL in ERA and WHIP. He also has 10 wins with the Royals.

He has only allowed more than 4 ER in one start

[captainlad]

Win Shares:

Pedroia: 15
Matsuzaka: 13
Okajima: 10
Guthrie: 10
Young: 14

Pedroia should win because he's got a 120 OPS+. As a rookie he's 7th in average and 10th in OBP.

[JDPNYY]

Cool taunting thread.

[RollingWave]

who ever wins, it's no real question taht he NL owned the AL this year in terms fo rookie

[donniesrecordholdsup]

Nomo = Rookie.

Ichiro = Rookie.

Matsui = Not a rookie.

Matsuzaka = Rookie.

Okajima = Rookie.

(and yes I'm being a baby, Berroa had a case )

dont forget sasaki=rookie

[Dave Visbeck]

April 20th against Pettitte in Boston ... Pedroia goes 0-2 ... and sees his average fall to .158 . Two men are on base ... when he gets lifted for a pinch-hitter. Sox are then down 5-2. Later in the game the Sox fall further behind when the Yankees add a run in the top of the eighth inning. Yankees up 6-2 in Boston. Somehow the Red Sox collect 5 runs in the bottom of the eighth ... and now are ahead 6-7. Okajima comes in to face the Yankees in the ninth. He walks one batter and strikes-out another, allowing no hits. Okajima notches his first MLB save and lowers his ERA to 1.17! Pedroia is 6 for 38 in the season.

Two days later, Pedroia is back in the lineup for the next game against the Yankees. Sox go down, 0-3 early in the top of the third inning in the evening game. Then history happens. After two outs in the bottom of the 3rd inning ... The Red Sox tie a Major League record with homers in four straight at-bats, and Mike Lowell, part of the historic run, later puts Boston up for good with a three-run shot in the 7th inning ... putting Sox up 5-7. Final is New York 6, Red Sox 7 when Papelbon keeps the Yankees hitless in the ninth inning ... earning his 6th save of the season. Papelbon's ERA is still ZERO! Pedroia goes 2 for 4 in the game with a double -- his average is back up to .190

At the end of the day on May 1st, Pedroia is hitting .172 --- 10 hits in 58 at-bats for his 21 games played. He was pinch-hit for again late in the game. Sox lose game 5-4. Pedroia also has 2 errors on the season.

Since May 2, Pedroia has had 326 at-bats -- accumulating 114 hits = .350 average! His average is now .323 overall. He has only made 3 more errors and is fielding .990 on the season.

If all that doesn't spell out the Rookie of the Year for Padroia ... oh well then ... no justice!

[Mark19]

April 20th against Pettitte in Boston ... Pedroia goes 0-2 ... and sees his average fall to .158 . Two men are on base ... when he gets lifted for a pinch-hitter. Sox are then down 5-2. Later in the game the Sox fall further behind when the Yankees add a run in the top of the eighth inning. Yankees up 6-2 in Boston. Somehow the Red Sox collect 5 runs in the bottom of the eighth ... and now are ahead 6-7. Okajima comes in to face the Yankees in the ninth. He walks one batter and strikes-out another, allowing no hits. Okajima notches his first MLB save and lowers his ERA to 1.17! Pedroia is 6 for 38 in the season.

Two days later, Pedroia is back in the lineup for the next game against the Yankees. Sox go down, 0-3 early in the top of the third inning in the evening game. Then history happens. After two outs in the bottom of the 3rd inning ... The Red Sox tie a Major League record with homers in four straight at-bats, and Mike Lowell, part of the historic run, later puts Boston up for good with a three-run shot in the 7th inning ... putting Sox up 5-7. Final is New York 6, Red Sox 7 when Papelbon keeps the Yankees hitless in the ninth inning ... earning his 6th save of the season. Papelbon's ERA is still ZERO! Pedroia goes 2 for 4 in the game with a double -- his average is back up to .190

At the end of the day on May 1st, Pedroia is hitting .172 --- 10 hits in 58 at-bats for his 21 games played. He was pinch-hit for again late in the game. Sox lose game 5-4. Pedroia also has 2 errors on the season.

Since May 2, Pedroia has had 326 at-bats -- accumulating 114 hits = .350 average! His average is now .323 overall. He has only made 3 more errors and is fielding .990 on the season.

If all that doesn't spell out the Rookie of the Year for Padroia ... oh well then ... no justice!

Thanks for the pointless trip down memory lane.

Pedroia's RoY candidacy is hurt by the fact that he doesn't hit for power, steal bases or show exceptional range in the field.

Writers aren't stat-heads, HRs and SBs are a lot more attractive than someone who can slap single after single and keep himself on base.

[LuckyLopez]

And yet we've yet to bring up a single qualified candidate other than Pedroia. Upton, Carmona, Bannister, and Guthrie all don't qualify as rookies. Actually I haven't checked Guthrie's days in the majors but 17 relief appearances over 3 seasons I'm guessing he maxxed out his 45 days.

Travis Buck might be Pedroia's best competition, but out in Oakland he doesn't get much play. And its an OF vs a 2B with similar numbers. Reggie Wiltis with a .295 AVG and 25 SB on a winning ballclub could draw certain writers to him. Josh Fields could stand a chance with a nice run to end the season. And Alex Gordon has the name value if he can bring his numbers up in the last month. He's been strong in the 2nd half after a horrible 1st. Joakim Soria, Jesse Listch, Kason Gabard, and Matt Garza seem like the best shots on the pitching side. Besides Matsuzaka and Okajima.

Nomo = Rookie.

Ichiro = Rookie.

Matsui = Not a rookie.

Matsuzaka = Rookie.

Okajima = Rookie.

(and yes I'm being a baby, Berroa had a case )

In fairness, Iguchi, Takatsu, Otsuka, and Saito all = Not a rookie as well. All were worthy candidates and all saw much poorer showings on the ballots than Matsui. In fact, I'm pretty sure each year saw less and less. Matsuzaka and Okajima are going to be interesting to see, but the relative lack of options (as opposed to recent years) and the big focus on them might slant them, as well as any Boston bias that may exist amongst the voters.

[Paiglee]

Does Carmona qualify? He played a bunch last year.

Joba!!!!!!

Eligibility

less than 50 innings pitched

less than 130 at bats

no more than 45 days on ML roster

[scull567]

Pedroia's clearly been the best rookie in the AL this year. He should win. Who else could you vote for?? Reggie Willits?

[hunter05]

Thanks for the pointless trip down memory lane.

Pedroia's RoY candidacy is hurt by the fact that he doesn't hit for power, steal bases or show exceptional range in the field.

Writers aren't stat-heads, HRs and SBs are a lot more attractive than someone who can slap single after single and keep himself on base.

So who is your pick then? Because none of the other candidates you listed count. And I have a feeling that Pedroia's .323 average will catch their eye. Pedroia is by no means a slap hitter either.

[Dannman103]

In the NL, its got to be Ryan Braun...look at these stats he's put up for Milwaulkee: in just 319 AB, .332 24 62

[Mark19]

So who is your pick then? Because none of the other candidates you listed count. And I have a feeling that Pedroia's .323 average will catch their eye. Pedroia is by no means a slap hitter either.

I'm sure Matsuzaka will get the votes. Strike-outs are sexy. Remember Bobby Crosby and Angel Berroa got the RoY simply because they had 20 HRs and stole some bases. The voters seem to ignore patience and consistency. Among the position players, Willits (speed), Cust (power) Fields (power) and Gordon (power and speed) will probably get a lot more votes than they deserve.

Pedroia's swing is hard to classify, it is a sort of upper-cut that sprays the ball around. Perhaps if he were closer to 5'9" or 5'10" he would have a more level swing and drive the ball more but whatever he's doing seems to be working for now.

[JeffWeaverFan]

Guthrie has a 3.44 ERA and a 1.11 WHP while pitching half his games in Camden. To say that Pedroia should be a lock to win it when Guthrie has been doing what he's been doing is just wrong.

[blumj]

I'm sure Matsuzaka will get the votes. Strike-outs are sexy. Remember Bobby Crosby and Angel Berroa got the RoY simply because they had 20 HRs and stole some bases. The voters seem to ignore patience and consistency. Among the position players, Willits (speed), Cust (power) Fields (power) and Gordon (power and speed) will probably get a lot more votes than they deserve.

Cust is way, way past rookie eligibility. Too bad, because it would be pretty cool if a guy like him won a ROY.

[hunter05]

Guthrie has a 3.44 ERA and a 1.11 WHP while pitching half his games in Camden. To say that Pedroia should be a lock to win it when Guthrie has been doing what he's been doing is just wrong.

Like I said, Guthrie had a terrific first half, but has an era of 5.04 since the break.

[daverave]

Much as I hate to admit it, ROY should be Woodland's own Dustin Pedroia. What a little...

[Hobbes40]

So most Sox fans are at a consensus that Pedroia is more deserving than Okajima or Matsuzaka? From what I know as a Yanks fan I would give it to Daisuke out of those 3 guys, but obviously I'm not watching every sox game.

[scull567]

Guthrie has a 3.44 ERA and a 1.11 WHP while pitching half his games in Camden.

Camden Yards is a neutral park offensively. Guthrie is 28 years old (and his peripherals suggest that he's not a 3.44 era pitcher). I really can't see him winning the award

[blwalks]

Dice-K is 13-10 which isn't a great record for a pitcher being considered for an award.

But he does have the Boston hype machine.

I guess I don't see why he should win over guys like Guthrie and Bannister who are outperforming him in ERA(i know it's flawed) and WHIP. Not to mention they don't have the benefit of a first place club to boost their chances of winning every game.

I know his strikeouts are sexy, but his ERA (which voters still consider) is half a run higher than the other guys.

Though I would rather have him win it than Pedroia, because if Pedroia won, we'd never hear the end of the story about the scrappy Red Sox who became rookie of the year.

It's annoying just typing it.

And don't count out Josh Fields, who has 15 HR in 257 ABs, if he has a hot enough Sept and gets into the .270s (he'd have to bat .330 or so for a month so it would be difficult), he would run away with it.

[shotz]

havent seen the last of Duncan im sure



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[YASS]

havent seen the last of Duncan im sure

Shelley Duncan has 44 at-bats. Even if he plays every day from now until the end of the season (which, of course, he won't), he won't get enough playing time to garner any votes.

He will probably preserve his eligibility for next season, though.

[DontHateOnNumber2]

Fausto Carmona if he qualifies. He's come a long way since blowing games as Cleveland's wannabe closer.