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    Mid-Season Top Ten Yankee Minor League Prospects

    The following list does not include any of the recent draftees, mostly due to the fact that most of the highest profile draftees have yet to sign. There are sure to be adjustments to the list below by this offseason - some due to promotions to the majors, and some due to performance reasons. At that time, some of the current draftees may find themselves on a post season top ten list.

    The following is the mid-season ranking of Yankee prospects. This ranking is based on a weighted combination of expected value to the Yankees as measured by absolute ceiling, along with expected return in major league value (i.e., expected CR+ for position players along with defensive ability, and expected DERA for pitchers during the specified time period) to the Yankees over the next year to five year period. Consequently, some players who have very high ceilings (e.g., Pirela) will be listed lower than others with lower ceilings but more ready to play in the majors (e.g., Gardner).

    1) Joba Chamberlain, 6-2 225 (RHP) His complete dominance of A+ and AA ball in 2007, indicates that early scouting reports that he would be a front of the rotation starter are probably true. Chamberlain's stuff is absolutely outstanding, with a mid to high nineties heater and a slider that he commands. He compliments those two outstanding pitches with a changeup and a curve that he can throw for strikes, but not necessarily command. Major league comparables are Carlos Zambrano or a right handed CC Sabathia. (ETA 2008)

    2) Austin Jackson, 6-1 202 (CF). This is the biggest jump up the Yankee prospects list I've made for this report. At 20 years, Jackson has been making great adjustments at the plate all year, and it is really paying off for him. Over the offseason, Jackson added nearly ten pounds of muscle, with the expectation that it would add strength to hold up during a full year of professional baseball. Because of the adjustments physically and at the plate, Jackson strikes out much less this year than last year, and his all around game is finally catching up with the tremendous potential the Yankees expected to eventually see when they signed him to an 800K bonus in 2005. His recent callup to A+ Tampa has seen him hitting .410/.439/.564 through his first nine games after the promotion. Major league comparable for Austin Jackson is a combination of Torri Hunter in the field and the plate, with Johnny Damon on the bases. (ETA 2009).

    3) Jose Tabata, 5-11 205 (RF). Tabata is having a very solid year in A+ Tampa in his 19th calender year. He shows the ability to hit for a high average and is expected to add power to his already strong gap hitting strength. Injuries have held back Tabata a bit for the last year, but it appears that nothing will be able to keep him out of New York's lineup in several years. Major league comparable is a right handed Bobby Abreu. (ETA 2009)

    4) Alan Horne, 6-4 195 (RHP). Horne has made adjustments to his game so that now he projects as the front of the rotation starter some thought he would be when he was drafted in the first round as a high school player. Horne's tremendous arm, now harnessed, is inducing ground balls at a tremendous rate. Horne is able to get strikeouts when he needs them. With an MDERA of 140+ all season, it appears that Horne should be in a position to compete for a starting spot in the Yankees rotation within a year. An interesting comparable for Horne is current Orioles starter Jeremy Guthrie. (ETA 2008)

    5) Ian Kennedy, 6-0 1/2 180(RHP). Kennedy has dominated at A+ and early on in AA ball this year. He is a very seasoned pitcher who knows how to pitch. The Yankees tweaked his delivery so that he could maintain more consistent velocity and life on his fastball. Although Kennedy doesn't have the stuff of Joba Chamberlain or Alan Horne, he has an outstanding chance to be a very solid major league 3 starter. Major League comparable is Dan Haren. (ETA 2008/09)

    6) Dellin Betances, 6-9 235 (RHP). Betances has tremendous talent with the upside to be a dominant ace in major league baseball. However, in the limited exposure that he has in the minors so far, he is far away from fullfilling this tremendous talent. With a mid to high nineties heater and with outstanding secondary stuff, he would rate higher than this if he showed more consistent control. His performance in the GCL last year was somewhat overlooked (7 walks in 23 innings is not great in that league) when reports out of Yankee instructional work indicated that Betances was likely to be able to apply his mechanical lessons quicker than it appears he currently is. Major league comparable for Betances is currently Daniel Cabrera (ETA 2010)

    7) Brett Gardner, 5-9 180 (CF). Gardner, like Jackson has worked hard to develop his approach at the plate this year. Since returning from an injury earlier this season, Garnder has been on fire. Expect to see someone take a chance on starting this guy in the major leagues soon. Gardner's tremendous speed and baserunning ability (80 on a 20-80 scouting scale) are his calling card. If what we are seeing this year is any indication from Gardner he ought to be a .280/.380/.420 kind of guy in the majors, yet, with that speed and baserunning ability he will be very valuable to a major league lineup. A major league comparable for Gardner is Scott Podsednik. (ETA 2008)

    8) Jose Pirela, 5-10 189 (CF/SS) The right handed hitting Pirela is an incredibly talented offensive player currently in the DSL. The Yankees were very cautious with the youngster (17) by assigning him to the DSL, knowing that the long season in the United States can wear down the younger players. Yet, Pirela has been with the Yankees for a year and is generally considered to be the best 'catch' for value among the 2006 Yankee signees. Pirela has great baserunning ability, in large part due to his strong athleticism and great instincts for the game. Still it is his all around game that has the Yankees most excited. Major league comparable - Alphonso Soriano. (ETA 2011)

    9) Zoilo Almonte, 6-0 180 (LF) The right handed throwing, switch-hitting Almonte is an impressive hitter right now. The Yankees have started the 18 year old Almonte in the Gulf Coast League this year. Over his first ten games stateside, Almonte is showing the offensive tools expected of him .333/.385/528. Almonte is a very polished hitter, mature beyond his years. He has already drawn raves from Yankee organizational personnel who believe he will challenge for batting titles in the major leagues. Some compare him to Melky Cabrera, yet Almonte's hitting ability at his age is more reminscent of Miguel Cabrera not Melky Cabrera. (ETA 2010)

    10) Jairo Heredia, 6-1 170 (RHP). The 17 yr old Heredia is considered to be a front of the rotation talent by the Yankees. He has already demonstrated that he can throw his fastball consistently between 91-94 mph, along with a curve and a changeup already considered to be plus pitches. Heredia has started stateside with the GCL Yankees and although he hasn't yet blown away the league (that still may happen) in the early going, he is doing very well with a league unadjusted defense independent ERA of 2.91 (regular ERA of 3.09). He has shown remarkable control with only 2 walks in 11.66 innings, one homerun allowed, and 10 stikeouts. Major league comparable is a right handed Dontrelle Willis (i.e., similar delievery and stuff) ETA 2011.

    Edit: I'd like to limit the discussion to those Yankee prospects whose arbitration clock has not yet started. That rules out the likes of Hughes, Clippard, etc.

    Last edited by Hughes2.50; 07-08-07 at 01:33 PM. Reason: Fact check and correction of Pirella's ht and wt.
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    Re: Mid-Season Top Ten Yankee Minor League Prospects

    I think you put a little bit too much weight in performance over the last couple of weeks. At this point, Cervelli should be in this list unquestionably in my view.
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    I think it's difficult to rank in the GCL guys, though they have a ton of potential. Instead of the last 3, I'd go with Cervelli (probably before Gardner as he was injured for a while), Miranda and Curtis in that order. I don't know that I'd include Betances either as he's only had a couple of starts.
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    hughes is still elidgible btw
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    Re: Mid-Season Top Ten Yankee Minor League Prospects

    Austin Jackson way too high for a couple of hot weeks.

    Nobody should be ranked until they've done something in the states.

    Even the short-season kids should be gauged with a very heavy standard. And I love DB and would have him high as well.

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    Austin Jackson was also hitting .260/.336/.374 in 60 games in A ball this year, with 59 K's. Yes, he's done great in 9 games of A+ ball, but I think it's crazy to put him that high, and above Tabata.
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    Re: Mid-Season Top Ten Yankee Minor League Prospects

    hughes
    tabata
    chamberlain
    betances
    kennedy
    cervelli
    horne
    gardner
    jackson
    mcallister
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffWeaverFan
    Austin Jackson was also hitting .260/.336/.374 in 60 games in A ball this year, with 59 K's. Yes, he's done great in 9 games of A+ ball, but I think it's crazy to put him that high, and above Tabata.
    All while repeating the level. Hilarious.

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    You just can't put AJ over Tabata. just can't. Tabata is the superior prospect.. AJ is doing well and I really hope the best for him but it's only 9 games

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    For anyone who has followed minor league ball a long time, it is apparent that players sometimes have the 'light' go on all of a sudden. And when it does it is clear sailing from there on out. This year Alan Horne had the light go on, actually it went on at the very end of last year, and we see how that is going as he is beginning to fullfillling his tremendous potential with tremendous MDERA numbers.

    More recently Austin Jackson has had the 'light' go on for him, and, like Horne, and many before him the sailing from here on out will be much smoother through the minors than it has been so far. Of course the same 'light' going on, can't be said for some posters who couldn't spot a legitmate turnaround if it bit them in the butt.

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    AJ may have had the "light go on".. but lets make that judgement after 30 games or so.. not 9.

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    or they might be skeptical that 10 games is too small of a sample size to judge anyone on yet.


    the tools are there, but lets see how he progresses once the league has had a look at him
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hughes2.50
    For anyone who has followed minor league ball a long tiime, it is apparent that players sometimes have the 'light' go on all of a sudden. And when it does it is clear sailing from there on out. This year Alan Horne had the light go on, actually it went on at the very end of last year, and we see how that is going as he is beginning to fullfillling his tremendous potential with tremendous MDERA numbers.

    More recently Austin Jackson has had the 'light' go on for him, and, like Horne, and many before him the sailing from here on out will be much smoother through the minors than it has been so far. Of course the same 'light' going on, can't be said for some posters who couldn't spot a legitmate turnaround if it bit them in the butt.

    I eagerly await for the post proclaiming Jackson now projects to one of the best OPS+ of all time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rca1230
    AJ may have had the "light go on".. but lets make that judgement after 30 games or so.. not 9.
    Why only wait another 21 games? I think it would suit you and some other posters better if you waited until Baseball America comes out with their list next off season.

    In the meantime, while you wait, this list is out.

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    Re: Mid-Season Top Ten Yankee Minor League Prospects

    Notwithstanding Jackson's hot play, I would move Tabata ahead of him in that list.

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    Of course 10 games is a small sample size. What's new in that observation? What's important is identifying when a player is living up to their talents. The Yankees might have had an inkling of that when they promoted Jackson? No?
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    or they needed to promote him and see if that lit a fire under him, considering he pretty much stagnated in low a
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hughes2.50
    Of course 10 games is a small sample size. What's new in that observation? What's important is identifying when a player is living up to their talents. The Yankees might have had an inkling of that when they promoted Jackson? No?
    For the record I think 10 games is too soon but what mystifies me is that even if the light really is on Tabata should still rank higher b/c of upside.

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    My mid-season Top 10

    Hughes
    Chamberlin
    Tabata
    Betances
    Kennedy
    Horne
    Cervelli
    Jackson
    Gardner
    Hilligos

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    Quote Originally Posted by NY_GOLDENARMS
    My mid-season Top 10

    Hughes
    Chamberlin
    Tabata
    Betances
    Kennedy
    Horne
    Cervelli
    Jackson
    Gardner
    Hilligos
    That's probably similar to how I would have it. I think by the end of the year some of the GCL/DSL/SI guys could be on it, but right now that looks good.

    I would actually mover both Horne and Kennedy above Betances at this point just because they've both pitched SO well thus far. I'd also replace Hilligos on the list with someone like Curtis.

    To be honest, I'm not sure Jackson cracks my top 10. I think I'd reward David Robertson in his stead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snatch Catch
    That's probably similar to how I would have it. I think by the end of the year some of the GCL/DSL/SI guys could be on it, but right now that looks good.

    I would actually mover both Horne and Kennedy above Betances at this point just because they've both pitched SO well thus far. I'd also replace Hilligos on the list with someone like Curtis.

    To be honest, I'm not sure Jackson cracks my top 10. I think I'd reward David Robertson in his stead.
    Mine would go

    Hughes

    Chamberlain

    Tabata

    Horne

    Kennedy

    Betances
    (Sanchez)

    Jackson
    ( Melancon)

    ( Cox)

    Cervelli

    Gardner

    ( Montero)
    Robertson

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aviezer
    For the record I think 10 games is too soon but what mystifies me is that even if the light really is on Tabata should still rank higher b/c of upside.
    I think after last year many people would have automatically assumed that to be true. Yet, in July 2005 when the Yankees signed Austin Jackson and brought Tabata over to play in the GCL the view among the Yankees was that both had very high ceilings. That it would be difficult to separate the two based on ceiling. With Jackson having a bit more raw speed, and athleticism, while Tabata appeared to be more advanced as a hitter.

    After last year it looked like Tabata's potential was more likely to be fullfilled than Jackson's based strictly on what transpired during the season. Now, after both have been with the Yankees for two full seasons, the Yankees have every reason to believe that both have a good chance to reach their ceilings and that both have very high ceilings indeed.

    Quite frankly I have Jackson slightly higher than Tabata because as a centerfielder Jackson doesn't need for his power to develop quite as much as does Tabata a corner outfielder.

    In addition, I think that Jackson will now move through the Yankees system at a pace equal to or greater than the pace that Tabata will.

    Remember that as young as Tabata is, Jackson is only a year and a half older.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hughes2.50
    I think after last year many people would have automatically assumed that to be true. Yet, in July 2005 when the Yankees signed Austin Jackson and brought Tabata over to play in the GCL the view among the Yankees was that both had very high ceilings. That it would be difficult to separate the two based on ceiling. With Jackson having a bit more raw speed, and athleticism, while Tabata appeared to be more advanced as a hitter.
    After last year it looked like Tabata's potential was more likely to be fullfilled than Jackson's based strictly on what transpired during the season. Now, after both have been with the Yankees for two full seasons, the Yankees have every reason to believe that both have a good chance to reach their ceilings and that both have very high ceilings indeed.
    Quite frankly I have Jackson slightly higher than Tabata because as a centerfielder Jackson doesn't need for his power to develop quite as much as does Tabata a corner outfielder.
    In addition, I think that Jackson will now move through the Yankees system at a pace equal to or greater than the pace that Tabata will. Remember that as young as Tabata is, Jackson is only a year and a half older.
    Still Mike Cameron vs Bobby Abreu, who do you wan't?

    And thats assuming that AJ can play D like that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philip Hughes Fan
    I eagerly await for the post proclaiming Jackson now projects to one of the best OPS+ of all time.
    So true. His MDOPS+ is currently 200.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aviezer
    Still Mike Cameron vs Bobby Abreu, who do you wan't?

    And thats assuming that AJ can play D like that
    You might think that is a good comparable for Jackson but it isn't. The comparable I used a combination of Torri Hunter in the field and at the plate, along with Damon on the basepaths is the best comparable for Jackson now.

    You will argue undoubtedly, that Cameron is a good comparable because of his strong athleticism and the strikeouts. However, the strikeouts have been affected dramatically by all of Jackson's continued hard work. That is why, even over the last stretch once he got promoted, Jackson is striking out at such a lower rate (12%) instead of the plus 20% for the bulk of the Riverdogs season. Jackson not striking out at those rates is a much better hitter than believed by those who have seen him up till recently. That is what I meant by the light going on for him, that is the biggest functional change in Austin Jackson, he has cut down on his strikeout rates.

    Consequently, Cameron is a bad comparable, and I'd rather have a talent combining Torri Hunter's fielding and plate ability along with Damon's ability on the basepaths than I would Bobby Abreu - especially if I weren't sure that Abreu would be able to hit at least 20 dingers for me every year.

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    Re: Mid-Season Top Ten Yankee Minor League Prospects

    If we used 9 game stretches to evaluate a prospect Eric Duncan could still be in the top 10.

    Think about how stupid that sounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hughes2.50
    You might think that is a good comparable for Jackson but it isn't. The comparable I used a combination of Torri Hunter in the field and at the plate, along with Damon on the basepaths is the best comparable for Jackson now.
    You will argue undoubtedly, that Cameron is a good comparable because of his strong athleticism and the strikeouts. However, the strikeouts have been affected dramatically by all of Jackson's continued hard work. That is why, even over the last stretch once he got promoted, Jackson is striking out at such a lower rate (12%) instead of the plus 20% for the bulk of the Riverdogs season. Jackson not striking out at those rates is a much better hitter than believed by those who have seen him up till recently. That is what I meant by the light going on for him, that is the biggest functional change in Austin Jackson, he has cut down on his strikeout rates.Consequently, Cameron is a bad comparable, and I'd rather have a talent combining Torri Hunter's fielding and plate ability along with Damon's ability on the basepaths than I would Bobby Abreu - especially if I weren't sure that Abreu would be able to hit at least 20 dingers for me every year.
    From the games I have listened too I am not convinced that AJ has Cameron's D much less Hunter's.

    SSS still applies with the K's as well.

    If he is hitting then he K's less. It follows

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    BomberBrian, it is a misreprentation to say that anyone is basing the list on that. As I've explained in more detail about Jackson just now, these rankings are based on much more than recent results. Recent results can either contradict scouting reports or tend to confirm them. In Jackson's case, the Yankees had reports on Jackson that allowed them to feel comfortable promoting him when they did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hughes2.50
    But it is a misreprentation to say that anyone is basing the list on that. As I've explained in more detail about Jackson just now, these rankings are based on much more than recent results. Recent results can either contradict scouting reports or tend to confirm them. In Jackson's case, the Yankees had reports on Jackson that allowed them to feel comfortable promoting him when they did.
    So where is Cervelli, he began to fulfill what pecota predicted

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aviezer
    From the games I have listened too I am not convinced that AJ has Cameron's D much less Hunter's.

    SSS still applies with the K's as well.

    If he is hitting then he K's less. It follows
    Remember we are still talking about prospects here. Jackson projects to be a Torri Hunter type defender, he isn't there yet.
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    Here's mine

    1) Philip Hughes - power stuff, plus command, what's not to like?
    2) Jose Tabata - The kid is hitting .306 as an 18 year old in A+ with an unhealthy wrist, think about that for a second. That's incredible. I think he'll hit for a high average in the majors if he stays healthy and I think his power will develop in time.
    3) Joba Chamberlain - very good power stuff, including a devestating fastball and slider. I really like his arsenal, but he needs a consistent third pitch and his command needs to get better.
    4) Alan Horne - I like his plus fastball and curve combo, and he's got two other decent pitches in his slider and his changeup that he can go to. His groundball tendencies are tremendous and I think he'll be a real innings eater in MLB
    5) Ian Kennedy - ecstatic that his fastball is back from his sophomore USC days, his performance in the FSL and EL have been very exciting. Has evoked comparisions of a Moose lite, hopefully he can be half as good as Moose was in his prime.
    6) Dellin Betances - His stuff is top notch but is he going to be able to repeat his delivery on a consistent basis? He's up here because of his ceiling, although his performance in Staten Island has been good.
    7) Brett Gardner - gotta love his world class speed and his ability to work the counts. He doesn't have much power, but I think the porch in RF will help him out. He has very nice range and I think he'll post a high OBP in the majors.
    8) Francisco Cervelli - has slowed down after a torrid start in Tampa, but he's still our best catching prospect. This is his first full year, he's obviously wearing down. Nobody knows much about his power projection, but if he can hit for decent power and average he is Jorge's successor. He's still far away, though.
    9) Action Jackson - He's off to a torrid pace after his promotion to Tampa, but it's still to early to ticket AJ to the big leagues. It looks like over the last month or so in both Charleston and Tampa that he has cut down his strikeouts and he's hitting some extra base hits lately (although it's in a small sample size). He's got a very good ceiling, certainly if he fulfills it he could be the starting CF for the Yankees, but he's still far away.
    10) Jeff Marquez - the lack of strikeouts are concerned, but his stuff and command could slot him at the middle of the rotation. He's still a work in progress, but I envision him as a swingman on this team ala Ramiro Mendoza and that has some value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hughes2.50
    Remember we are still talking about prospects here. Jackson projects to be a Torri Hunter type defender, he isn't there yet.
    Speed alone does not a defender make

    has he shown the gifts that make hunter a supreme OF?

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    Please don't put anymore lists out there that have players already on the arb clock (Hughes, Clippard, etc.) Thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aviezer
    Speed alone does not a defender make
    Are you contributing something with that?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aviezer
    has he shown the gifts that make hunter a supreme OF?
    Of course he has. It is a matter of consistency and putting it all together - The kid is twenty for jimminy crickets.
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    why? they are still technically prospects
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    yea that 20 year olds defense was brutal last year, from both a statistical standpoint and a scouting standpoint
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hughes2.50
    Please don't put anymore lists out there that have players already on the arb clock (Hughes, Clippard, etc.) Thank you.
    if they are still going to qualify for rookie eligibility next season why should they not be included?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hughes2.50
    Are you contributing something with that?
    Yes, he's contributing his opinion. You don't need to undermine it.

    Oh wait, I forgot, he has to project Action Jackson to be the next Joe Dimaggio before you take him seriously.

    Not everybody projects our prospects to be future Hall of Famers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hughes2.50
    Please don't put anymore lists out there that have players already on the arb clock (Hughes, Clippard, etc.) Thank you.
    Arb clock? Clippard's clock isn't running. You're thinking about option years, which he has started.

    As far as arbitration goes, if Clippard stays in the minors for the rest of the season, he will be on the same schedule as if he had never been called up. His inclusion on this list is every bit valid as the inclusion of Betances from an arbitration standpoint.

    I think Hughes' clock may not be running at this juncture either, but I'm not sure about that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Game Andy
    Yes, he's contributing his opinion. You don't need to undermine it.

    Oh wait, I forgot, he has to project Action Jackson to be the next Joe Dimaggio before you take him seriously.

    Not everybody projects our prospects to be future Hall of Famers.
    C'mon, he's only projected like 6 of them to be HOFers.

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    Is this list akin to the Baseball America 'hotsheet' or is it an actual valuation of the order you would take them if available in a dispersal draft or something similar?

    It just seems like either Tabata has dropped out of the league-wide top 100 or AJ has made a huge leap.


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    Who has the better arm?

    Gardner or A-Jack?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hughes2.50
    The following list does not include any of the recent draftees, mostly due to the fact that most of the highest profile draftees have yet to sign. There are sure to be adjustments to the list below by this offseason - some due to promotions to the majors, and some due to performance reasons. At that time, some of the current draftees may find themselves on a post season top ten list.The following is the mid-season ranking of Yankee prospects. This ranking is based on a weighted combination of expected value to the Yankees as measured by absolute ceiling, along with expected return in major league value (i.e., expected CR+ for position players along with defensive ability, and expected DERA for pitchers during the specified time period) to the Yankees over the next year to five year period. Consequently, some players who have very high ceilings (e.g., Pirela) will be listed lower than others with lower ceilings but more ready to play in the majors (e.g., Gardner).

    1) Joba Chamberlain, 6-2 225 (RHP) His complete dominance of A+ and AA ball in 2007, indicates that early scouting reports that he would be a front of the rotation starter are probably true. Chamberlain's stuff is absolutely outstanding, with a mid to high nineties heater and a slider that he commands. He compliments those two outstanding pitches with a changeup and a curve that he can throw for strikes, but not necessarily command. Major league comparables are Carlos Zambrano or a right handed CC Sabathia. (ETA 2008)

    2) Austin Jackson, 6-1 202 (CF). This is the biggest jump up the Yankee prospects list I've made for this report. At 20 years, Jackson has been making great adjustments at the plate all year, and it is really paying off for him. Over the offseason, Jackson added nearly ten pounds of muscle, with the expectation that it would add strength to hold up during a full year of professional baseball. Because of the adjustments physically and at the plate, Jackson strikes out much less this year than last year, and his all around game is finally catching up with the tremendous potential the Yankees expected to eventually see when they signed him to an 800K bonus in 2005. His recent callup to A+ Tampa has seen him hitting .410/.439/.564 through his first nine games after the promotion. Major league comparable for Austin Jackson is a combination of Torri Hunter in the field and the plate, with Johnny Damon on the bases. (ETA 2009).

    3) Jose Tabata, 5-11 205 (RF). Tabata is having a very solid year in A+ Tampa in his 19th calender year. He shows the ability to hit for a high average and is expected to add power to his already strong gap hitting strength. Injuries have held back Tabata a bit for the last year, but it appears that nothing will be able to keep him out of New York's lineup in several years. Major league comparable is a right handed Bobby Abreu. (ETA 2009)

    4) Alan Horne, 6-4 195 (RHP). Horne has made adjustments to his game so that now he projects as the front of the rotation starter some thought he would be when he was drafted in the first round as a high school player. Horne's tremendous arm, now harnessed, is inducing ground balls at a tremendous rate. Horne is able to get strikeouts when he needs them. With an MDERA of 140+ all season, it appears that Horne should be in a position to compete for a starting spot in the Yankees rotation within a year. An interesting comparable for Horne is current Orioles starter Jeremy Guthrie. (ETA 2008)

    5) Ian Kennedy, 6-0 1/2 180(RHP). Kennedy has dominated at A+ and early on in AA ball this year. He is a very seasoned pitcher who knows how to pitch. The Yankees tweaked his delivery so that he could maintain more consistent velocity and life on his fastball. Although Kennedy doesn't have the stuff of Joba Chamberlain or Alan Horne, he has an outstanding chance to be a very solid major league 3 starter. Major League comparable is Dan Haren. (ETA 2008/09)

    6) Dellin Betances, 6-9 235 (RHP). Betances has tremendous talent with the upside to be a dominant ace in major league baseball. However, in the limited exposure that he has in the minors so far, he is far away from fullfilling this tremendous talent. With a mid to high nineties heater and with outstanding secondary stuff, he would rate higher than this if he showed more consistent control. His performance in the GCL last year was somewhat overlooked (7 walks in 23 innings is not great in that league) when reports out of Yankee instructional work indicated that Betances was likely to be able to apply his mechanical lessons quicker than it appears he currently is. Major league comparable for Betances is currently Daniel Cabrera (ETA 2010)

    7) Brett Gardner, 5-9 180 (CF). Gardner, like Jackson has worked hard to develop his approach at the plate this year. Since returning from an injury earlier this season, Garnder has been on fire. Expect to see someone take a chance on starting this guy in the major leagues soon. Gardner's tremendous speed and baserunning ability (80 on a 20-80 scouting scale) are his calling card. If what we are seeing this year is any indication from Gardner he ought to be a .280/.380/.420 kind of guy in the majors, yet, with that speed and baserunning ability he will be very valuable to a major league lineup. A major league comparable for Gardner is Scott Podsednik. (ETA 2008)

    8) Jose Pirela, 6-1 180 (CF/SS) The right handed hitting Pirela is an incredibly talented offensive player currently in the DSL. The Yankees were very cautious with the youngster (17) by assigning him to the DSL, knowing that the long season in the United States can wear down the younger players. Yet, Pirela has been with the Yankees for a year and is generally considered to be the best 'catch' for value among the 2006 Yankee signees. Pirela has great baserunning ability, in large part due to his strong athleticism and great instincts for the game. Still it is his all around game that has the Yankees most excited. Major league comparable - Alphonso Soriano. (ETA 2011)

    9) Zoilo Almonte, 6-0 180 (LF) The right handed throwing, switch-hitting Almonte is an impressive hitter right now. The Yankees have started the 18 year old Almonte in the Gulf Coast League this year. Over his first ten games stateside, Almonte is showing the offensive tools expected of him .333/.385/528. Almonte is a very polished hitter, mature beyond his years. He has already drawn raves from Yankee organizational personnel who believe he will challenge for batting titles in the major leagues. Some compare him to Melky Cabrera, yet Almonte's hitting ability at his age is more reminscent of Miguel Cabrera not Melky Cabrera. (ETA 2010)

    10) Jairo Heredia, 6-1 170 (RHP). The 17 yr old Heredia is considered to be a front of the rotation talent by the Yankees. He has already demonstrated that he can throw his fastball consistently between 91-94 mph, along with a curve and a changeup already considered to be plus pitches. Heredia has started stateside with the GCL Yankees and although he hasn't yet blown away the league (that still may happen) in the early going, he is doing very well with a league unadjusted defense independent ERA of 2.91 (regular ERA of 3.09). He has shown remarkable control with only 2 walks in 11.66 innings, one homerun allowed, and 10 stikeouts. Major league comparable is a tight handed Dontrelle Willis (i.e., similar delievery and stuff) ETA 2011.
    Edit: I'd like to limit the discussion to those Yankee prospects whose arbitration clock has not yet started. That rules out the likes of Hughes, Clippard, etc.





    Based on this alone, by 2010, we should have a hell of a team.

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    Re: Mid-Season Top Ten Yankee Minor League Prospects

    Quote Originally Posted by Snatch Catch
    Arb clock? Clippard's clock isn't running. You're thinking about option years, which he has started.

    As far as arbitration goes, if Clippard stays in the minors for the rest of the season, he will be on the same schedule as if he had never been called up. His inclusion on this list is every bit valid as the inclusion of Betances from an arbitration standpoint.

    I think Hughes' clock may not be running at this juncture either, but I'm not sure about that.
    Ah yes, option years is what I meant. Thanks for the correction.

    I'm hoping to keep this discussion down to players who haven't played in the major leagues outside of September. Mostly because most everyone knows about those players, my suggestion limits the discussion to those players not already in the majors and broadens the discussion beyond the most obvious prospects anyone reading SI knows about.

    Royal Flush: Hughes, Sabathia, Betances, Brackman, Banuelos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yank4life2005
    Who has the better arm?

    Gardner or A-Jack?
    Jackson. When he was tested before being drafted he could throw the ball 90 mph from the outfield. He has a plus arm for a centerfielder.

    Gardner's arm is slightly below major league average for a centerfielder.

    Royal Flush: Hughes, Sabathia, Betances, Brackman, Banuelos.

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    The analysis is very good. Where did you get the data?



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    Re: Mid-Season Top Ten Yankee Minor League Prospects

    Hughes2.50, I love the little scouting reports you did on Pirela, Almonte and Heredia, but Jackson is way to high.

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    Re: Mid-Season Top Ten Yankee Minor League Prospects

    Quote Originally Posted by Fabien Brandy
    Is this list akin to the Baseball America 'hotsheet' or is it an actual valuation of the order you would take them if available in a dispersal draft or something similar?

    It just seems like either Tabata has dropped out of the league-wide top 100 or AJ has made a huge leap.
    If I had to guess, Tabata would rank about 35-45 on a new list by BA if they were to do one now. I expect that when the new one does come out next offseason, Jackson will be ranked at about or slightly ahead of Tabata on BA's list.
    Royal Flush: Hughes, Sabathia, Betances, Brackman, Banuelos.

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    Re: Mid-Season Top Ten Yankee Minor League Prospects

    Quote Originally Posted by bobbymagee
    The analysis is very good. Where did you get the data?
    What data are you referring to?
    Royal Flush: Hughes, Sabathia, Betances, Brackman, Banuelos.

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    if i had to guess jackson won't even sniff the top 100.

    or the top 150.

    maybe not even the top 200.

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