The Video Game Thread

[NYYDragoon]

But if you are looking into buying a system for a child, you will have an easier time finding non-violent family friendly video games for the wii.

Not entirely true. If you did a title search, I bet that you'd find more third-party child's games for the PS2 (I'm talking about rubbish based on movies, toys, etc.) But no one notices this because they aren't marketed very loudly. Nintendo, on the other hand, is known for its first-party characters, which is why it's easier to associate them with the unfair title of "kiddy."

I suppose in this generation Nintendo is sporting more of the silly games because of its intended broad appeal and general popularity (what the PS2 recently had). But it's incredibly narrow to say that this means the Wii mainly for kids and women.

[TheDynasty26]

Not entirely true. If you did a title search, I bet that you'd find more third-party child's games for the PS2 (I'm talking about rubbish based on movies, toys, etc.) But no one notices this because they aren't marketed very loudly. Nintendo, on the other hand, is known for its first-party characters, which is why it's easier to associate them with the unfair title of "kiddy."

I suppose in this generation Nintendo is sporting more of the silly games because of its intended broad appeal and general popularity (what the PS2 recently had). But it's incredibly narrow to say that this means the Wii mainly for kids and women.

Well youre kinda right.

You can find more titles for PS2 (which has been out for about 6 years) than for Wii...sure.

There are lots of kid friendly games for playstation, most of which are terrible, but they are out there.

By playing games instead of doing "title searches" you would quickly find that Wii games are EXTREMELY broad in their range, and can be enjoyed by anyone from adults to kids. Mario Galaxy for instance, just came out, its a great game for adults or children. Zelda is the same way. Its not super complicated, but the use of the Wii remote makes it very user friendly and fun.

Also, i definately did not say the wii is designed for kids and women. I own one, i love it, i play both adult and kiddie games on it. Maybe its MARKETED towards kids and women, but thats because it has that ability. It can market an easy to use system, with games that arnt intimidating. Can you imagine a women whos never played a video game picking up Gears of War or Resistance or Halo? It would be a joke. Yet my girlfriend and i play Wii sports all the time. She loves Zelda, and Mario Galaxy too. Yet she wont pick up ratchet and Clank for PS3, which is about as "kiddie" as PS3 games get.....unless you really do want "Hello Kitty Adventure Island"

I guess my main point is that Wii is designed with women and Children IN MIND, PS3 is not. Its marketed in that way too.

[NYYDragoon]

I guess my main point is that Wii is designed with women and Children IN MIND, PS3 is not. Its marketed in that way too.

Agreeing with most of your points above, I think the one I quoted is the core of it all. Problem is, the mainstream gamer uses that fact to label the Wii, DS, etc. as simple and childish, which is really doing Nintendo a disservice.

No one would have ever labeled the original Super Mario Brothers or Sonic the Hedgehog as kiddy back in their days. It was all about how fun they were. What the hell happened to the gaming community?

(I blame Arod.)

[RhodeyYankee2638]

Hmm, no, I think it's more like those games tend to be more geared towards men. If you think Nintendo's been around so long thanks to ladies and kids, you're very mistaken.

NES and Super Nintendo were fueled a lot by younger gamers and teenagers. The big reason that N64 and Gamecube pretty much bombed was that PS, PS2 and XBox went towards a more adult themed games. Look at Nintendo's staple games, Mario, Pokemon, Donkey Kong, most of them are very much targeted towards kids. They have been around so long because they know their target demographic and hit it very very well. If you look at the top 11 selling GameCube games, 7 are Mario based games, and another is Animal Crossing. While not exclusivly for kids, they certainly target a younger demographic. And if they didn't start incorporating newer and edgier 3rd party software, they would get pummeled on the market (ala GameCube)

[TheDynasty26]

NES and Super Nintendo were fueled a lot by younger gamers and teenagers. The big reason that N64 and Gamecube pretty much bombed was that PS, PS2 and XBox went towards a more adult themed games. Look at Nintendo's staple games, Mario, Pokemon, Donkey Kong, most of them are very much targeted towards kids. They have been around so long because they know their target demographic and hit it very very well. If you look at the top 11 selling GameCube games, 7 are Mario based games, and another is Animal Crossing. While not exclusivly for kids, they certainly target a younger demographic. And if they didn't start incorporating newer and edgier 3rd party software, they would get pummeled on the market (ala GameCube)

That pretty much hits the nail on the head right there. Think about the best and most popular titles for N64 - DK COuntry, Mario, Goldeneye, Banjo Kazooie

Then for playstation 1 and 2 - Twisted Metal, Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy

It has obviously changed somewhat as all systems now have the ability to run the gamut of game types, but Nintendo still tries to be the more user friendly family friendly system, while PS3 and Xbox basically come with "for serious gamers only" stickers on the box.

[RhodeyYankee2638]

Then for playstation 1 and 2 - Twisted Metal, Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy

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Grand Theft Auto anyone?

[RhodeyYankee2638]

Can you back that up?

http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquir.../women-wii-too

[NYYDragoon]

The big reason that N64 and Gamecube pretty much bombed was that PS, PS2 and XBox went towards a more adult themed games.

Actually, it's more directly because they were using CDs and gained more second- and third-party support. If Nintendo partnered with Sony then they wouldn't have lost Squaresoft, for instance. The N64 was a baaaaad decision (as I said earlier).

while PS3 and Xbox basically come with "for serious gamers only" stickers on the box.

That's laughable. I'm incredibly spoiled in this respect--so excuse me--but as someone who's been gaming all his life, I see "serious gamers" as people who value gameplay and fun factor over things like graphics and violence. This new mainstream breed of gamer comes off as incredibly shallow.

Oh, and in general, I think the target age group for videogames has always been males between 15 - late 20s, so the hypothesis that the SNES (BEST CONSOLE EVER) and NES were fueled by a younger demographic isn't correct.

[TheDynasty26]

That's laughable. I'm incredibly spoiled in this respect--so excuse me--but as someone who's been gaming all his life, I see "serious gamers" as people who value gameplay and fun factor over things like graphics and violence. This new mainstream breed of gamer comes off as incredibly shallow.

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I see serious gamers as people who are able to master the controls of gears of war, or the speed of resistance, or the massive depth of a GTA or assassins creed.

I see non-serious gamers as people who want to have fun playing videos games, but dont want to devote huge amounts of time to it.

I to have been playing video games all my life, and if thinking that unbelievably deep powerfully developed games are for people who can devote time and effort into them makes me shallow so be it. But thats something i choose to do. Let me tell you, playing Madden 08 is not fun without learning how to play it. Gears or Resistance? You cant pick up sticks and suddenly be good at those games. ANYONE can play wii bowling.

I mean, people who just play a video game for 15 or 20 minutes a few days a week probably shouldnt spend 5 or 6 hundred bucks on a PS3 or an Xbox. Is that laughable? or should they not play at all because they are not serious? Neither...they should buy a wii and get enjoyment out of it, because you can pick it up and go. Not so with PS3. There are obviously games for both that fall outside that spectrum, but overall. If you dont devote time to your games, your PS3 was a 600 dollar paperweight.

So ill say it again, if its still laughable so be it. IF YOU ARE NOT SERIOUS ABOUT PLAYING VIDEO GAMES...DONT BUY A PS3

[NYYDragoon]

First off, let me say that my favorite genre is the RPG, so I understand the value of long and involved games.

Hmm, yes, the Wii does have more "casual" titles on it at the moment. But that was the point--to gain an audience larger than that of the mainstream/hardcore/whatever crowd. That's not necessarily a bad thing since Nintendo hasn't simultaneously isolated its lifelong fans...at least not yet. There was a fear of them doing this until Metroid Prime 3 came out and made everyone happy again. But I digress...

And if you don't spend time with your Wii (please resist making jokes) then it's also an expensive tablepiece. It almost seems like you're calling the pricetag on the PS3 a test of loyalty or something. I somehow doubt that. The PS3 was out of reach for most people because Sony chose to pack it with a ridiculous amount of added technology. Looks like the joke was on them, though, since they lost so much money and so much distance in the "Console Wars" that they may not be able to catch up. By your logic, either the new mainstream gamer population is small, or there's more to it than graphics and violence after all.

Funny you place sports games in the category of "involved" games--I've never thought of them as so. It seems easier to pick up Madden than Zelda, if you ask me.

[Yankeeah]

http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquir.../women-wii-too

Just because women play it, doesn't mean it's their main target.
Nintendo does target kids, but the Wii is aimed at virtually every demographic. There is soemthign for everyone.

[RJ44]

Don't forget the virtual console for the Wii... That's what sold me.
Not only can I play new titles, but I can play (eventually) any game on any Nintendo system (and others) on the same console.

[TheDynasty26]

By your logic, either the new mainstream gamer population is small, or there's more to it than graphics and violence after all.

Funny you place sports games in the category of "involved" games--I've never thought of them as so. It seems easier to pick up Madden than Zelda, if you ask me.

I think the price tag on the PS3 and the 360 did require some dedication to be shown. A lot of people felt their PS2 was good enough to hold them over, (PS3 screwing the price war against Xbox, as mentioned was their own fault). Wouldnt you think if they were all the same price PS3 would have outsold the wii?

And yes, by my logic there is WAY more to it than graphics and violence, which is what ive been saying the whole time. Thats why the Wii has been so successful. In fact i would list graphics as third on the list of what people look for. Number 1 is playability. Thats where the wii owns. Number two is games, thats where the wii dies. Yeah Galaxy and Metriod and Zelda are good, but they arnt that play 12 hours a day till your eyes bleed games like (for an RPG fan) Final Fantasy 7, or a GTA, or Assassins Creed, or Halo. Wii is without question made for "everyone", which is a point we(ii) seem to agree on.

I find it equally funny that you found Madden easier to pick up than Zelda. To swordfight in Zelda, you swing the remote. To throw a pass in Madden you call a play, audible people, change routes, press 14 different buttons, snap the ball, highlight your reciever, throw to him (pressure sensitive, newbies love that), highlight your reciever run to the ball, and catch it. Thats not even beginning to get into all the things you do after the catch. And thats just to be successful. Link can Chop/slash his way to victory with a swing wiimote and press A combo.
Most Sports games are extremely involved to be good at them. Ever play madden online? Anyone that has "picked up" Madden and beat up the computer has gotten a rude awakening after playing online the first time.

[RhodeyYankee2638]

Wouldnt you think if they were all the same price PS3 would have outsold the wii?

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Probably not

[TheDynasty26]

Dragoon,

I just noticed the FF2 Character...nice...

Also, wernt we debating something? i forgot what it was?

Lastly, i am leaving work, but ill happily continue this video game discussion tommorrow.

Peace
Jake

[RhodeyYankee2638]

Just because women play it, doesn't mean it's their main target.
Nintendo does target kids, but the Wii is aimed at virtually every demographic. There is soemthign for everyone.

I agree that they are expanding their demographics. I just did a search on video games available for 360 and wii currently. 360 has 165 games available for purchase right now and 45 of those titles are rated Mature. wii Has 141 games available for purchase, and a grand total of 6 are rated Mature. While they are appealing to all demographics, Nintendo definitly shys away from riskier games

[NYYDragoon]

Wouldnt you think if they were all the same price PS3 would have outsold the wii?

No, I don't. Don't forget that the expanded audience would have probably still benefited Nintendo. It would have been closer, but I still see Nintendo on top.

In fact i would list graphics as third on the list of what people look for.

Oh noo. I think there are a lot more "graphics whores" now then ever before.

Yeah Galaxy and Metriod and Zelda are good, but they arnt that play 12 hours a day till your eyes bleed games like (for an RPG fan) Final Fantasy 7, or a GTA, or Assassins Creed, or Halo.

Not true about Metroid and Zelda--those are definitely games that take hours on end to complete. And then you go on and replay to try them in a harder mode or to attempt to collect everything.

I find it equally funny that you found Madden easier to pick up than Zelda.

What I mean is that it requires more patience and dedication to play an RPG--hear me out. Anyone can jump into a sports game (with enough practice), play a few rounds, and then never touch it again. But not everyone can get involved in a complex storyline with developed characters that requires *gasp* reading dialogue to fully appreciate.

Weren't we debating something? Haha, I think so. It's been a fun discussion nevertheless.

[trapper700]

I was in the middle of posting a long message in response to the debate last night, but it was lost in during the short period of time the forums were having database errors, so i'll have to retype it.

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/10/16/fa...arent-playing/

That's the article talking about wii owners not playing, but keep in mind it's only talking about Japan and prior to SMG.

I think Rhodey just chose the wrong words to use when describing the targets of the Wii's marketing. I don't believe it's targeted towards "women and children" per se, but towards what I would consider the casual gamer. From the sound of Yankeeah's description of himself about "rarely playing video games" before the wii, I'd consider him to be in the category of the casual gamer. Most women and children (maybe not children these days) would fit into this category as well. It appeals mostly to the casual gamer because of it's ability to use actions with the wiimote as controls. Instead of having to learn complicated button mapping, they could just pick it up and use an action that will be copied in the game.

I would consider myself a hardcore gamer. I'd been playing video games since as far back as I could remember. It's been one of my main hobbies since then, and most of my allowance growing up went directly into a video game fund (also the reason i don't own many cds). Yeah, classifying it into just casual/hardcore is a little bit simple, but it's the easiest way to get my point across.

I absolutely hate Microsoft, but at this point in time, the 360 is the system that most satisfies my "needs" as a gamer. It's got the widest range of genres, and great 3rd party support (due to them either buying or paying off the developers). The game selection available right now is also superior to the other systems.

I love playing all styles of games, and the 360 will give you the most variety of quality games. Even the "exclusives" available right now are great and better than the PS3 and Wii offerings. Let me make a short list of the 360 exclusives by genre along with a short statement about them.

Flight
Ace Combat 6 - great first showing for the series on the 360
Project Sylpheed - space shooter published by squareenix with an interesting storyline

RPG
Blue Dragon - first title by Mistwalker studios and the "father of Final Fantasy", also artwork by akira toriyama of dbz fame
Eternal Sonata - unique story surrounding Frederic Chopin, fun gameplay too
Mass Effect - such an amazing game, just beat it the other day and I'm starting a new game to change class and make different decisions along the way

Racing
Forza 2 - microsoft's answer to the gran turismo series
Project Gotham - fun racing game, but not nearly as good as forza

Action/Shooter
Halo 3 - overrated imo, but pretty fun online play if you have friends, story sucked (esp. if you didn't play 1&2)
Dead Rising - zombie killing action that makes you want to watch/recreate Dawn of the Dead
Gears of War - chainsawing people online is amazing because it pisses them off so much
Saints Row - a good gta clone to tide you over till the next gta game is released
Bioshock - game of the year, awesome story, hundreds of ways to kill enemies, graphics also top notch
Lost Planet - pretty fun game, but not as good as the other titles listed
Crackdown - also similar to gta, but you're a supercop in this one, found it lots of fun and you can play coop online

Everything Else
Viva Pinata - sim game by the makers of goldeneye (rare ltd)
Kameo - one of the better launch titles, a platformer that's usually overlooked by gamers, also by rare
Beautiful Katamari - i'd always been a fan of the games on the ps2, and who doesn't enjoy rolling up objects into a giant ball with crazy music in the background
Dead or Alive 4 - pretty good fighter, but I'm more of a fan of Virtua Fighter 5 because of the skill it takes

Obviously the 360's strengths lie in its availability of action games or shooters, and it's weakness is in platformer. As i've stated before, i'd never been a big fan of platformers, so it's not a huge deal to me. But the 360 also has games like Ninja Gaiden 2 (can't wait) and Banjo Kazooie 3 coming out eventually for fans of those kinds of games. The only game i'm looking forward to purchasing on the wii in the near future is ssbm, and that doesn't even have support for the wiimote's motion controls.

The wii has the advantage of much better multiplayer (especially for family functions like thanksgiving or christmas), because a lot of games have support for four players, whereas the 360 does not. That's the main thing that bothers me about the 360. It can have greater support for four players, they just choose not to because they want to push people to buy into xbox live and play online.

Speaking of online play, the 360 has a large advantage on this category compared to the wii (i've not played ps3 online, so i don't know about it). It's great to see which of your friends are online at any time, see what they're playing, and join/invite them in a game. Also whose idea was it to have a random 16 digit numerical "friend code" for the wii, it's MUCH better with gamertags.

All in all, it's up to the player to decide what kind of games they like playing and then taking a look at the games you can get on each system. I've got both the wii and a 360 and I get far more playtime on the 360.

[TheDynasty26]

Thats a great summary.

All that discussion got me in the mood last night, i played COD4 for about 2 hours, then some Time Crisis 4 (which is fun but gonna get old fast), and then a little Ratchet and Clank.

There is a fantastic easy to learn game for the PS3, if you dont own it, pick it up.

[RhodyYanksFan]

http://top100.ign.com/2007/

IGN Top 100 games of all time. Releasing 10 a day. It started a week ago.

[trapper700]

http://top100.ign.com/2007/

IGN Top 100 games of all time. Releasing 10 a day. It started a week ago.

I can already tell you that I'm going to disagree with whatever they choose.

[TheDynasty26]

I can already tell you that I'm going to disagree with whatever they choose.

Well I started at 100 and Perfect Dark AND WoW were both in the 80's...so that lost me right there

[NewEraYanks2527]

Anyone pick up Assassins Creed? I am waiting for my 360 to come home to play it and I don't feel like sifting through back pages to see if anyone commented on it.

[RhodyYanksFan]

Anyone pick up Assassins Creed? I am waiting for my 360 to come home to play it and I don't feel like sifting through back pages to see if anyone commented on it.

Everything I've read on it says it's awesome and visually amazing, but repeatative.

[TheDynasty26]

Anyone pick up Assassins Creed? I am waiting for my 360 to come home to play it and I don't feel like sifting through back pages to see if anyone commented on it.

Yeah its amazing. Fantastic control, huge cities and landscapes, cool missions, tons of extra stuff to do, incredible graphics. Just great overall game.

Its like Prince of Persia (climbing) movement, with Heavenly Sword fighting (but easier), with a GTAesque envrionment (everything is usable and anyone you touch has a reaction).

THe story is kinda cool, especially when you consider that its the first part of a trilogy.

[NewEraYanks2527]

Yeah its amazing. Fantastic control, huge cities and landscapes, cool missions, tons of extra stuff to do, incredible graphics. Just great overall game.

Its like Prince of Persia (climbing) movement, with Heavenly Sword fighting (but easier), with a GTAesque envrionment (everything is usable and anyone you touch has a reaction).

THe story is kinda cool, especially when you consider that its the first part of a trilogy.

Thank you. Now I really have to make my roommate get the 360 back.

[NYYDragoon]

http://top100.ign.com/2007/

IGN Top 100 games of all time. Releasing 10 a day. It started a week ago.

I'll start caring when we get to the top 20.

[TheDynasty26]

I'll start caring when we get to the top 20.

Final Fantasy 2 is rated in the 60's!!! FF7 was like 76 and Perfect Dark was 75...i stopped there

[NYYDragoon]

Final Fantasy 2 is rated in the 60's!!! FF7 was like 76 and Perfect Dark was 75...i stopped there

Are you kidding me? HAHA. Actually, I don't know what to say. I half expected FF7 to be #1 since it's apparently the greatest thing created since the dawn of time.

If Halo or something silly and new like that makes first place, someone's going to die.

[RhodyYanksFan]

Are you kidding me? HAHA. Actually, I don't know what to say. I half expected FF7 to be #1 since it's apparently the greatest thing created since the dawn of time.

If Halo or something silly and new like that makes first place, someone's going to die.

FF7 should easily be in the top 10 just for the way it changed how RPGs are made visually, playability, length, complex of story, and fun factor.

[NYYDragoon]

FF7 should easily be in the top 10 just for the way it changed how RPGs are made visually, playability, length, complex of story, and fun factor.

I don't disagree, which is why I laughed at IGNs rankings. Still though, I think the game is vastly overrated (second most overrated next to A Link to the Past.) I'll give it points for visuals, fun-factor, and introducing a new generation of gamer to the Squaresoft RPG. But I don't give it story credit. Why? Because it's a modernization of FF3, that's why.

[JeterForPresident]

IGN has GoldenEye at like 75th or something like that, I have to disagree with that. That is still one of my top 10 games, and I can't remember a game that everyone had to have like that one, it took the FPS to the next level.

[chanman7483]

I don't disagree, which is why I laughed at IGNs rankings. Still though, I think the game is vastly overrated (second most overrated next to A Link to the Past.) I'll give it points for visuals, fun-factor, and introducing a new generation of gamer to the Squaresoft RPG. But I don't give it story credit. Why? Because it's a modernization of FF3, that's why.

I don't know, after I finisshed ff7, I just sat there in... I don't know? Disbelief.. amazement... wonder. I think my head almost exploded. It was that good, and seeing how low IGN has it is pretty confusing to me because I know i'm not the only way that reacted to ff7 that way.

They better not have the original Mario as number 1, or duck hunt , as a tribute or something

[RhodeyYankee2638]

They better not have the original Mario as number 1, or duck hunt , as a tribute or something

They did one 2 years ago and Mario was #1, no reason to think its changed

[NYYDragoon]

Don't get me wrong Chanman...despite its flaws it's still an amazing piece of work (I've probably played through it at least 5 times.) It doesn't deserve the title of the best game of all time, but it sure as hell should make a general top 10.

Oh, and here's an addition to the earlier debate (only the first two posts):
http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=557934

[CallOfTheCrow]

I beat COD 4 yesterday & started Assasin's Creed tonight. Im diggin' it.

[DontHateOnNumber2]

I really want Smackdown vs Raw 2008. I wish Chris Jericho could've made it into the game. I also want Assassin's Creed.

[CallOfTheCrow]

Id rent Smackdown V Raw.....I can't buy wrestling games anymore, I get bored quick.

[a-RobinsonCano-Fan]

Id rent Smackdown V Raw.....I can't buy wrestling games anymore, I get bored quick.

Yea, i stopped with wcw/nwo revenge. A game in which all of whom had a Nintendo 64 owned.

[NewEraYanks2527]

Yea, i stopped with wcw/nwo revenge. A game in which all of whom had a Nintendo 64 owned.

Probably one of, if not the best wrestling game of all time. Wrestlemania 2000 and No Mercy were great too but only because they were on that platform. Game makers should take a ................ing hint.

[CallOfTheCrow]

what was that first wrestling game that came out for the xbox? Great looking graphics......turned out to not have a story mode. It was awful.

[RhodeyYankee2638]

what was that first wrestling game that came out for the xbox? Great looking graphics......turned out to not have a story mode. It was awful.

I think it was Raw???
I think it had a story mode, but the gameplay sucked hard

[NewEraYanks2527]

I think it was Raw???
I think it had a story mode, but the gameplay sucked hard

Yea it was RAW, what a suckfest of a game that was on Xbox. Horrible gameplay, just horrendous.

On another topic I picked up Kane & Lynch. It would be a pretty cool movie, the story is really good and the cinematic cut scenes are awesome. Sometimes the gameplay isn't so great but its not as bad as the reviewers make it out to be. I like it alot and the graphics and shootouts are pretty awesome. It reminds me alot of the movie HEAT at times.

[THEBOSS84]

I just bought COD 4 - is it better live or regular gameplay?

[DaBomber25]

Anything online with Assassin's Creed or is it strictly one player?

[TheDynasty26]

I just bought COD 4 - is it better live or regular gameplay?

I like the story line a lot....but there is nothing like shooting real people, running around from every angle. you can upgrade your skills and get special abilities. Its pretty sweet online.


To answer that other question, Assassins Creed has no multiplayer or online play.

[TheYankee]

Just got Assasin's Creed tonight and I played for about 3 hours straight... I never do that with video games... I'm hooked though, it's very fun... for those who own it, do you find yourself trying to do every little thing possible? (All the viewpoints, etc?) I already am trying to do it all basically.

[DaBomber25]

I like the story line a lot....but there is nothing like shooting real people, running around from every angle. you can upgrade your skills and get special abilities. Its pretty sweet online.


To answer that other question, Assassins Creed has no multiplayer or online play.

I think I'll still request Assassin's Creed for Christmas and maybe buy COD4 afterwards. Just moved into a new place with a friend and got a 42" Plasma HD. I'm going to wanna play multiplayer on that with him instead of fighting over Assassin's Creed.

Dynasty, did you ever figure out how to return the receiver to his set position in Madden? I know how to do it easily now but it's on 360. I could try to break it down for PS3 controls though.

[TheDynasty26]

I think I'll still request Assassin's Creed for Christmas and maybe buy COD4 afterwards. Just moved into a new place with a friend and got a 42" Plasma HD. I'm going to wanna play multiplayer on that with him instead of fighting over Assassin's Creed.

Dynasty, did you ever figure out how to return the receiver to his set position in Madden? I know how to do it easily now but it's on 360. I could try to break it down for PS3 controls though.

Haha, no i still have to make them motion the entire way. What i have started doing is just snapping it mid motion...thats kinda effective.

As far as AC goes...its a great game, really really good. But so is COD, you really cant go wrong either way. I have yet to get online with COD (my connection was f'ed) but now we got it working and are gonna starting killing other real people. SHould be fun.

[DaBomber25]

Haha, no i still have to make them motion the entire way. What i have started doing is just snapping it mid motion...thats kinda effective.

To make this as simple as I can - you put the receiver in motion, you hit the audible button, then you tap the button that resets the play TWICE. Not sure what controls these would be on PS3.