Protect our players thread

[JavyVazquezIsSick]

Call me reactionary, whatever! Its absolutely absurd Ortiz wasn't hit, 1 out, bottom of the ninth up 4 runs. You aren't going to as many chances to send a message that your key guys are going to hit, when you hit our keys guys without much risk. Hitting Jeter was completely intentional, this team should be friggin ashamed they didn't retaliate.

EDIT: Futhermore, I couldn't care less if someone on the Sox gets hit tommorow or the day after, that was the perfect time to do it, to make a stand for once, but this team put its tail between its legs like it always does in these situations.

[SportzStooge007]

What was absurd was Farnsworth walking him. If he was going to put him on base, then hit him.

But I wouldn't have hit anyone when you're trying to win. Too late in the game to risk anything.

At any other point in time, I would've done it. I know Proctor would've.

[Vin]

I don't want any opposing player getting hit with a 6-2 lead. Now if it were 12-2 with 2 outs in the bottom of the ninth then that's a different story.

[sahara]

It's ridiculous, but it's the way Joe Torre wants it.

We're going to continue to be human pinatas at least for the rest of this year.

[ZYanksRule]

I wanted him hit as well, but we needed this win, no need putting extra guys on base.

Maybe at some point tomorrow we'll do something if we're up big.

[E-Rod]

Don't need to hit other team's players just right away, you can wait and find other ways to settle down, because "revenge is a dish best served cold".

[JavyVazquezIsSick]

Don't need to hit other team's players just right away, you can wait and find other ways to settle down, because "revenge is a dish best served cold".

No, I'm sorry but thats crap. You hit someone tommorow or the day after if can be construed 50 different ways. Not to mention, who knows how close the game is going to be. You hit them then, when your up 4 runs in the 9th with out out, you drill Ortiz, you send the friggin message.

[Babe Rules]

Agreed

[yanksphan]

No, I'm sorry but thats crap. You hit someone tommorow or the day after if can be construed 50 different ways. Not to mention, who knows how close the game is going to be. You hit them then, when your up 4 runs in the 9th with out out, you drill Ortiz, you send the friggin message.

Can't argue with that.

But what your asking is like asking Wang to start pitching with his left hand from now on.

[The Q Bomb]

Call me reactionary, whatever! Its absolutely absurd Ortiz wasn't hit, 1 out, bottom of the ninth up 4 runs. You aren't going to as many chances to send a message that your key guys are going to hit, when you hit our keys guys without much risk. Hitting Jeter was completely intentional, this team should be friggin ashamed they didn't retaliate.

EDIT: Futhermore, I couldn't care less if someone on the Sox gets hit tommorow or the day after, that was the perfect time to do it, to make a stand for once, but this team put its tail between its legs like it always does in these situations.

While I'm not wild about putting anyone on base unless we have at least a 10 run lead - I agree with your point of view. Hitting Jeter was completely intentional. And if it wasn't - well, hit Ortiz anyway so our players don't get hit "by mistake". The Yankees are like a doormat. This is on Torre's head - he has this team like a bunch of sissies. Scott Proctor hits whoever it was on Seattle when it was completely uncalled for and out of line (and gets a 4 day suspension for it) but neither he or any other Yankee pitcher can even brush back Manny after he consistently shows us up?

It's - I don't know what it is - but it certainly isn't the right way to play the game. I'm not talking about murder here - just hit one of their guys the way they hit one of our guys every single time we face them!

[Mark19]

We aren't the Red Sox, we don't use hitting batters as a strategy. It can be frustrating but it is the way we do it.

[The Q Bomb]

We aren't the Red Sox, we don't use hitting batters as a strategy. It can be frustrating but it is the way we do it.

Yeah, we're also not in first place!

[Casey at the Bat]

I just don't get you guys sometimes. You get upset when pitchers hit your guys (intentionally or otherwise), saying that you need to protect your players, regardless of intent. Yet here, a Yankees pitcher hit a Sox player FIRST (which I believe was unintentional), which was then followed by a Yankee being hit (Which I felt was intentional), and now you are saying that is "crap?" Why wasn't it crap when it was being advocated after the yanks were HBP first?

There was no headhunting or anything else that might be considered bush league. It was a "you hit our guy, and we hit your guy, and now we are even." You guys need to make up your minds. Is it okay to retaliate when your guys are HBP or not?

[Game4Tino]

The situation definitely called for, at the very least, a brushback pitch to Ortiz. I wouldn't have gone after Manny, let sleeping dogs lie. But, FatMan should've gotten dirty there.

[Vin]

The sux thrive on that. If you start hitting them in close games they're going to win. They play dirty and they're use to that. So just let karma take care of itself.

We won the game and let's just keep winning games

[JavyVazquezIsSick]

I just don't get you guys sometimes. You get upset when pitchers hit your guys (intentionally or otherwise), saying that you need to protect your players, regardless of intent. Yet here, a Yankees pitcher hit a Sox player FIRST (which I believe was unintentional), which was then followed by a Yankee being hit (Which I felt was intentional), and now you are saying that is "crap?" Why wasn't it crap when it was being advocated after the yanks were HBP first?

There was no headhunting or anything else that might be considered bush league. It was a "you hit our guy, and we hit your guy, and now we are even." You guys need to make up your minds. Is it okay to retaliate when your guys are HBP or not?

You know why you don't get it? Because if you can't see that Jeter got hit intentionally, you are never going to get it. Loading the bases by hitting a guy, in a tight spot (and it looked like Proctor had crap control), and drilling Jeter with a pitch in the midsection that wasn't close to the plate with 1 out and NO ONE on base, are two completely different things. I honestly don't see how anyone couldn't understand this if you were watching the game.

[hatfieldms]

right now the Yankees don't need to be putting anyone on base for any reason. We need to be getting outs and winning games and doing our best to catch up

[smckdwn989]

100% agree with this thread... I was in shock that ortiz wasn't hit... hell, he wasn't even brushed back... And because of the walk, they had to pitch to manny, so if the plan was to hit manny, it was foiled because of the walk. I don't believe we will see mussina go after someone, because it's well documented he doesn't do that type of thing.

It was clear jeter was hit intentionally and they pitchers need to police this type of thing. The more boston gets away with this BS, the worse it will get. I want to see ortiz and manny get hit, it's LONG overdue.

[Spiker101]

What was absurd was Farnsworth walking him. If he was going to put him on base, then hit him.

But I wouldn't have hit anyone when you're trying to win. Too late in the game to risk anything.

At any other point in time, I would've done it. I know Proctor would've.

the whole retaliation thing leaves me cold. But I couldn't agree more about the absurdity of Farnsworth walking Ortiz. What the hell was he afraid of. In that situation a walk was as bad as a Mantle-length solo homer.

[DRUFER]

i think the yankees need to concentrate on scoring runs and getting outs instead of drilling people which will end with the yanks getting the short end of the stick on suspensions when it is all said and done anyway....

[Game4Tino]

Clemens is on the way and we all recall how fond he is of Manny and his theatrics. I think a big change in the way these incidents are handled is on the horizon. Clemens is not going to settle for the non chalant attitude that permeates this staff.

[TheBamTino24]

I like protecting your players and whatnot. However, we're not in a position to be too liberal about it right now.

We need a sweep here. And I'm not ready to freely but runners on base with that lineup.

[TheYankee]

::SIGH::

Ok, so let me get this straight... this team was 5 games below .500 before today, 10 1/2 back of the Sox, struggling to hold leads, get leads, win games, hit well, pitch well, do ANYTHING well, and you want our pither to HIT the opponents in a 4 run game in the 9th? You take games for granted a lot more than I do.

[smckdwn989]

Clemens is on the way and we all recall how fond he is of Manny and his theatrics. I think a big change in the way these incidents are handled is on the horizon. Clemens is not going to settle for the non chalant attitude that permeates this staff.

i agree wholeheartedly, but it would be nice to see others on this team besides proctor do this NOW. It's sad how Matsuzaka was able to hit a couple of our guys without retataliation... That annoyed me then, and the hitting of jeter annoys me to no end now...

[gK]

Honestly, it really took away from the win for me.

We need to stand up for ourselves before someone gets hurt. It's beyond ridiculous now.

[TheTinoMobile]

Joe Torre "We're not like that, you want to pay them back, get a hit, hit a homerun, score a run... that's how you get them back"

[smckdwn989]

Joe Torre "We're not like that, you want to pay them back, get a hit, hit a homerun, score a run... that's how you get them back"

well... he can't exactly say much else... what do you expect him to say in that spot lol...

"manny and ortiz better watch out, tomorrow we're hitting them" - joe torre

[Casey at the Bat]

You know why you don't get it? Because if you can't see that Jeter got hit intentionally, you are never going to get it...

uh, if you go back and read my post, you will see that I did indeed say that I thought Jeter's HBP WAS intentional. But I still don't get the flip-flopping from some fans when it comes to the "you hit us and we will retaliate" line of thinking when the Yanks are the first to hit someone (intentional or not).

[Nicky_Mantle]

Call me reactionary, whatever! Its absolutely absurd Ortiz wasn't hit, 1 out, bottom of the ninth up 4 runs. You aren't going to as many chances to send a message that your key guys are going to hit, when you hit our keys guys without much risk. Hitting Jeter was completely intentional, this team should be friggin ashamed they didn't retaliate.

EDIT: Futhermore, I couldn't care less if someone on the Sox gets hit tommorow or the day after, that was the perfect time to do it, to make a stand for once, but this team put its tail between its legs like it always does in these situations.

Javy, youre one angry dude. Chill out man. We won. No... we kicked some redsock ass. That righ there is enough of a statement. Be happy.

[27IsNext]

I'll let this one slide since Proctor hit one of their guys first. But a message needs to be sent when one of our guys is the first to get beaned.

[hatfieldms]

I don't understand why anyone on here would want the Yankees to put someone on base and prolong the game if they don't have to with the luck we have had this year and the situation we are in right now. Not to mention having to possibly deal with suspensions again. Is it really worth that much to you people?

[DaYanks24]

Yankees don't do that sort of thing. Its not the right thing to do because baseball, in all its history, has never been about protecting your teammates according to Joe Torre.

[TheYankee]

Joe Torre "We're not like that, you want to pay them back, get a hit, hit a homerun, score a run... that's how you get them back"

[Casey at the Bat]

I'll let this one slide since Proctor hit one of their guys first. But a message needs to be sent when one of our guys is the first to get beaned.

I totally agree with this line of thinking, no matter what teams are on the field. This is called protecting your players. You hit our guy, and we hit yours, and we call it even. To carry it further than that is just silly (and pretty dangerous as well).

[smckdwn989]

Javy, youre one angry dude. Chill out man. We won. No... we kicked some redsock ass. That righ there is enough of a statement. Be happy.

imo this thread was long overdue.... there's a well documented history of yankees hitters getting plunked by redsox pitchers without proper retaliation... going back to the pedro days where in one game both jeter and knoblauch on the hands... there are countless other instances, and the yankees simply haven't done even an adequate job in policing this aspect of the game.

[Michaels07]

Too bad the MGR can`t be hit.

[bobbymagee]

Call me reactionary, whatever! Its absolutely absurd Ortiz wasn't hit, 1 out, bottom of the ninth up 4 runs. You aren't going to as many chances to send a message that your key guys are going to hit, when you hit our keys guys without much risk. Hitting Jeter was completely intentional, this team should be friggin ashamed they didn't retaliate.

EDIT: Futhermore, I couldn't care less if someone on the Sox gets hit tommorow or the day after, that was the perfect time to do it, to make a stand for once, but this team put its tail between its legs like it always does in these situations.

JVIS, We haven't agreed at all in the past. Today I stand beside you and agree 110%. Our team's genitalia has shrunk almightily since 03. The Sox have been the aggressors and we don't retaliate. Someone on this team like Proctor has to make a statement to the balance of the league that the New York Yankees will not tolerate nor back down when one of their own players is hit .

[KINGOFNY]

I would have hit Ortiz in the nutz.Most valuable lard ass.

[CyYoung4Vazquez]

Too bad the MGR can`t be hit.

Oh come on, Francona is one of the "nice guys in baseball." Please. Anyway, if Schilling beans someone Wednesday, I see Andy hitting someone. He's not one to back down. Besides you know the Red Sox need to get this out their system now. A week from now this won't fly. Can' wait till the Rocket zings one next to Ortiz's drawn on beard.

[TheYankee]

So they glanced Jeter... Why does it really matter? Hell, in my view, we got another baserunner, and us simply trying to lock down a win doesn't escalate things and give them a free baserunner and some fire to try and come back...

I've said it before... the bean wars are the most overrated thing in the game today. It's almost like the hockey, "I'm gonna fight you, even though it's not legal, and the refs are gonna let me do it, then they'll call a penalty later after we all have our fun." If it's against the rules, it's not all that bad to stay out of it and act classy, is it?

Put in another way, are we going to lose games becase someone doesn't retaliate? No, I doubt it. And I sure as hell don't want to hit someone when we have just a 4 run lead in the 9th when our bullpen has been struggling...

I simply think this stuff is blown way out of proportion.

[27IsNext]

I am very much looking forward to the Rocket's return just so I can see him nail one of those guys the next time Jeter or A-Rod gets beaned.

[bobbymagee]

We aren't the Red Sox, we don't use hitting batters as a strategy. It can be frustrating but it is the way we do it.

Disagree. We need to have our pitchers protect our batters. The team looks weak when they don't do it.

[27IsNext]

I get kick out of blowing this up to be something more than it really is... so they glanced Jeter? Why does it really matter? Hell, in my view, we got another baserunner, and us simply trying to lock down a win doesn't escalate things and give them a free baserunner and some fire to try and come back...

I've said it before... the bean wars are the most overrated thing in the game today. It's almost like the hockey, "I'm gonna fight you, even though it's not legal, and the refs are gonna let me do it, then they'll call a penalty later after we all have our fun." If it's against the rules, it's not all that bad to stay out of it and act classy, is it?

Put in another way, are we going to lose games becase someone doesn't retaliate? No, I doubt it. And I sure as hell don't want to hit someone when we have just a 4 run lead in the 9th when our bullpen has been struggling...

I simply think this stuff is blown way out of proportion.

Look, this has nothing to do with tonight, but when they nail our Captain or our best slugger and we just twidle our thumbs, that sends the message that they don't need to err on the side of caution when pitching inside. I can understand pitching inside. But you better have your best control, otherwise your team should suffer for it when one of our guys gets plunked.

It's about protecting your players. The other team needs to know there will be a price to pay if one of our guys is hit. I'm sick of being afraid for Jeter and A-Rod every Boston series. I want someone to nail one of those clowns.

[TheYankee]

Disagree. We need to have our pitchers protect our batters. The team looks weak when they don't do it.

So, now we care about how we "look?" I've still yet to see a convincing argument that it's necessary. "Protecting our batters?" How is retaliating "protecting" anyone? They aren't going to plunk someone in the future because we retaliate? Again, I doubt it, and again, bean wars are completely overblown.

[Kdelle]

I just don't get you guys sometimes. You get upset when pitchers hit your guys (intentionally or otherwise), saying that you need to protect your players, regardless of intent. Yet here, a Yankees pitcher hit a Sox player FIRST (which I believe was unintentional), which was then followed by a Yankee being hit (Which I felt was intentional), and now you are saying that is "crap?" Why wasn't it crap when it was being advocated after the yanks were HBP first?

There was no headhunting or anything else that might be considered bush league. It was a "you hit our guy, and we hit your guy, and now we are even." You guys need to make up your minds. Is it okay to retaliate when your guys are HBP or not?

Bingo!

[TheYankee]

Look, this has nothing to do with tonight, but when they nail our Captain or our best slugger and we just twidle our thumbs, that sends the message that they don't need to err on the side of caution when pitching inside. I can understand pitching inside. But you better have your best control, otherwise your team should suffer for it when one of our guys gets plunked.

Why? If they lose control and hit a batter, it's as good as a walk. Pretty simple... the risk of injury is still slim when you get hit by a pitch. I realize Jeter was out with a bruise from it earlier, but it's not like this is an everyday occasion.

It's about protecting your players. The other team needs to know there will be a price to pay if one of our guys is hit. I'm sick of being afraid for Jeter and A-Rod every Boston series. I want someone to nail one of those clowns.

Afraid for them? I think they can handle a fastball hitting them every now and again. Hell, A-Rod's got enough armor to take it like a man (if that's possible with pansy guards.)

[smckdwn989]

Bingo!

look this thread isn't specifically about tonight... this thread is long over due for countless other instances...

todays scenario is something the yankees should look at and take a page from...

1. boston hitter was hit in a situation that was clearly unintentional.
2. boston retaliates and hits the yankees captain (which looked clearly intentional)...

[27IsNext]

Why? If they lose control and hit a batter, it's as good as a walk. Pretty simple... the risk of injury is still slim when you get hit by a pitch. I realize Jeter was out with a bruise from it earlier, but it's not like this is an everyday occasion.

Afraid for them? I think they can handle a fastball hitting them every now and again. Hell, A-Rod's got enough armor to take it like a man (if that's possible with pansy guards.)

If the risk is minimal, all the more reason to go through with retaliation. It's still dangerous, and protection is needed.

Torre is one of the few that puts up with this crap. (And I don't blame him, since he came from an abusive household.) Thus, I hold the pitchers accountable.

[nyyfanatic85]

Just win- that is the best retaliation.

[TheYankee]

If the risk is minimal, all the more reason to go through with retaliation. It's still dangerous, and protection is needed.

We're talking about risk in two different cases here: I'm talking minimal injury risk, I'm assuming your talking minimal in game risk. I'd say there's more in-game risk than injury risk, so I'd rather suck it up, take my free base, and let sleeping dogs lie.

Torre is one of the few that puts up with this crap. (And I don't blame him, since he came from an abusive household.) Thus, I hold the pitchers accountable.

Torre is and has been since his tenure began with the Yankees a class act. I've got no problem with him saying his team is above this garbage...

I know we won't agree. Just want to give you and idea of where I'm coming from. I simply don't see it as the big deal the John Kruk's and Rob Dibble's of the world think it is.