The Yanks overhauled their conditioning program from last season - is it time to question the personnel they have here given the many hamstring injuries that have happended in warm Florida (Wang), the cold (Matsui) and a dome (Moose).
The Yanks overhauled their conditioning program from last season - is it time to question the personnel they have here given the many hamstring injuries that have happended in warm Florida (Wang), the cold (Matsui) and a dome (Moose).
and out come the "blamers"
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Yeah, a few minor nagging injuries early in the season, particularly those incurred while playing in the snow, tell me that something is amiss in the locker room.
I suggest George picks up a trainer who can control the elements to avoid these problems. One who can turn get a pitcher into mid-season form year round would be nice too.
I fully expect this trainer to ride into Yankee Stadium on a unicorn and present Cashman with a road map of Atlantis.
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The only thing I saw in regards to that was this:
http://yankees.lohudblogs.com/2007/0...re-on-mussina/Expect to read a lot in the next two days about Marty Miller? Who’s Marty Miller you ask? He’s the team’s new “director of performance enhancement.” That’s a fancy way to say he’s the new strength and conditioning coach.
With so many player suffering muscle strains, Miller’s work will come under question. Several players said his stretching routine is different than what they were used to.
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Talk about a topic I feel totally unqualified to have an opinion on! Does anyone here really know what the strength and conditioning program entails before we decide it's bad? Does anyone know anything about the coaches before we call for their heads? Seriously. I know nothing about either.
Is this the same strength and conditioning coach that the football Giants have? Moose is 37 he probably should have stretched a little better. When does Ca$h hit the "Rocket" or Phil Hughes panic button?
Injuries happen, particularly with older players, but this is crazy. I am a runner, and I used to have problems with my knees until I started stretching before and after I run. No knee problems since. Baseball is different because of all the sitting, but it does strike me that some of our players, like Mussina, get more muscle strains and pulls than they should. We are talking about professional athletes. It is their job to stay in shape and to take steps to prevent injuries. As smart as he is, I would think that Mussina does everything that he can to prevent injuries, but sometimes I wonder.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/sp...ts&oref=slogin"Just who is taking care of it could be an issue. Mussina’s injury comes at a time when some players are privately questioning the new conditioning program. General Manager Brian Cashman hired Marty Miller last winter to replace the strength and conditioning coach Jeff Mangold, creating a new title of director of performance enhancement.
Cashman also promoted Dana Cavalea to be an assistant to Miller, who had not been in baseball since 1997 and most recently spent nine years as the director of fitness at the Ballen Isles Country Club in Palm Beach Gardens, Fla.
Miller also earned a master’s degree in performance enhancement and injury prevention from California University of Pennsylvania in 2004. But injury prevention is not going so well for the Yankees."
I'm still trying to figure out what a firstbase coach does before I move onto critiquing the strength and conditioning coach.Originally Posted by yankeebot
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I have no association with "TEPLimey" at nomaas. Apparently a very disturbed individual likes to get their rocks off on pretending they are me. Sad, really.
I'm working towards my certification as a personal trainer and without knowing exactly what the new program Miller is using entails, its's tough to say the number of injuries can be directly attributed to it. I'd like to know myself, out of curiosity, what's different about his program. As Damon said, the hamstring injuries he and Matsui sustained could have been a result of the very cold conditions in NY last week.
I can't remember Moose ever pulling a hamstring in his entire career and he does take very good care of himself, so this could be a fluke and/or being older.....or maybe the new program needs to be revised, especially if some players are having second thoughts about it.
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Even before he came to NY, Moose had groin pulls. There are very few pitchers who've never had that injury and once you have a pretty bad groin pull, you're likely to have more. Mike's had injuries of the nagging variety moreso than one that's devasating and good mechanics/good conditioning are part of the reason. You're so right about having to sit and wait around in between innings after you've been going full tilt. The pitching motion is one of the most un-natural sequences that exists in sports.Injuries happen, particularly with older players, but this is crazy. I am a runner, and I used to have problems with my knees until I started stretching before and after I run. No knee problems since. Baseball is different because of all the sitting, but it does strike me that some of our players, like Mussina, get more muscle strains and pulls than they should. We are talking about professional athletes. It is their job to stay in shape and to take steps to prevent injuries. As smart as he is, I would think that Mussina does everything that he can to prevent injuries, but sometimes I wonder.
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Good one.
I don't think it's so crazy to wonder about this, particularly since the injuries coincide with when the conditioning program changed. That doesn't mean there's a connection, but I can understand why some are wondering, especially when the players have brought it up.
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If the new conditioning coach IS the cause, I think it might be more about the players getting used to his new techniques as opposed to him actually doing anything wrong. Injuries happen, I don't think it is neccesarily anyone's fault, but the fact that there are a lot of "nagging" injuries has to raise SOME speculation.
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They need to take their vitamins.
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I have no association with "TEPLimey" at nomaas. Apparently a very disturbed individual likes to get their rocks off on pretending they are me. Sad, really.
lol get rid of them
I agree.
It's frustrating to see someone tweak a hamstring every 3 days -- especially doing remedial exercises such as jogging. Fat, obese slobs suffer fewer injuries than these guys.
Something's not right.
Probably because fat, obese slobs don't do any running!
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All I can say about the stretching routine is you can never stretch too much. As long as they have proper technique in their stretching, they should be doing this guy's program, as well as whatever they were used to. If the new program feels like it is neglecting some of the benefits from the old, then that's a problem that should be addressed. Other than that, I assume they are properly stretched, which just means that these hamstring problems are coincidence. I'm not sure of Wang's excuse, but for Mussina and Hideki, the cold and age in Moose's case are viable factors.
And taught Posada how to have an amazing year defensively. That works for me.
If I recall correctly, the Yankees had constant problems with hamstring injuries in 1996 and it ended up costing Paul Mastropasqua his job as strength and conditioning coach. I don't remember who the new guy they brought in was, but the hamstring problems magically vanished by 1997.
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I read (and trying to locate) an interesting analysis of hamstring pulls that I saw right after Wang hurt his hammy just jogging.
It pointed to a study that suggested the injury is caused more by the quad muscle being better conditioned than the hamstring muscle, rather than as a result of poor or inadequate stretching.
Anyone ever hear of this?
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The Star Ledger has on at least two occasions either quoted or intimated that there are several players who are either not enamored with the new program or say that it is unlike anything they've done in professional baseball before.
I don't think it is out of bounds to question whether or not this has any affect on the large amount of injuries being suffered, as long as most of us acknolwedge that we pretty much don't have the ability to judge one way or the other. It simply looks suspicious.
Not any study specifically, but as far back as high school I remember coaches telling us that it was important when lifting leg weights to work the hamstrings as well as the quads to avoid exactly what you're talking about.I read (and trying to locate) an interesting analysis of hamstring pulls that I saw right after Wang hurt his hammy just jogging.
It pointed to a study that suggested the injury is caused more by the quad muscle being better conditioned than the hamstring muscle, rather than as a result of poor or inadequate stretching.
Anyone ever hear of this?
this is well known is the world of football (what you guys call "soccer"). it is important to maintain the balance in the legs to ensure that you do not put too much pressure on the other muscle.I read (and trying to locate) an interesting analysis of hamstring pulls that I saw right after Wang hurt his hammy just jogging.
It pointed to a study that suggested the injury is caused more by the quad muscle being better conditioned than the hamstring muscle, rather than as a result of poor or inadequate stretching.
Anyone ever hear of this?
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Think of it as if the quads ( in the front of the leg ) and the hammys ( in the back of the leg ) were 2 guide wires maintaining a telephone pole ( your thigh bone ) upright and in place. IF one side is too weak or too strong, it will cause stess on the other side. Most major muscles in the body have an opposite muscle ( antagonist ) that helps maintain balanceI read (and trying to locate) an interesting analysis of hamstring pulls that I saw right after Wang hurt his hammy just jogging.
It pointed to a study that suggested the injury is caused more by the quad muscle being better conditioned than the hamstring muscle, rather than as a result of poor or inadequate stretching.
Anyone ever hear of this?
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I work closely with and train with a world class sprinter. He trains many pro and college athletes and celebrities. Over the years, being around him, I've noticed some patterns that keep popping up in ham injuries.
1) bad running technique
2) footware that isn't specific to person's foot
3) nagging pain in the shin on the opposite leg causes them to overcompensate
4)stretching in the wrong order or overstretching the quad
I wore sneakers that were not good for my footshape for exactly one day and hurt my hammy within minutes. I strethced properly and used proper technique. It could just as easily be cookie-cutter shoes they are getting from a sponsor that aren't specific to each player's feet.
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Interesting; overstretching quads would possibly be consistent with some players saying this program is more rigorous than provious training. I hope they get it figured out before we get any more injuries!
The quad stretch is one almost everyone knows, so they tend to do a lot. I see it overused all the time. I used to overdo it myself and it created a serious imbalance. The imbalance led to micro tears in my left hamstring. It is important to have a well-balanced stretching routine to avoid such problems.
Injuries happen..you deal with then and move on.
two years ago I was training in the Disney sports complex. I met the braves stregnth and conditioning coach(who btw confirmed that I was faster than Raphael Furcal) and shared a weight room with the braves. No relevant player was working with him because they were all doing their own things with their own guys. The scrubby players that were there were doing a very basic cookie cutter workout. Stregnth and conditioning coaches get their jobs because of who they are and who they know. I wouldn't assume its much different with the Yankees. Especially not during spring training, which is when all of these injuries would have originated.
I will say though that Mussina's injury makes sense and shoudn't be blamed on anybody. He had been pitching-and likely running/conditioning ect- in 30-50 degree weather. Then he goes to the dome where i'm sure it is very warm. When you train in the cold your limbs, particularly the legs, can only reach a certain range of motion. If you work out/run too close to that in a much warmer environment these things happen because your body isn't used to the range of motion.
Any one know why Jeff Mangold (who was the strength and conditioning coach for years) is no longer in that position? Was he let go or did he retire/quit?
Jeff Mangold! THAT'S the guy that replaced Paul Mastropasqua after '96.
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Yankees Look for Answers as Injuries Mount
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/13/sp...l?ref=baseballCashman revamped the Yankees’ strength and conditioning program last winter, hiring Marty Miller to run it and promoting Dana Cavalea to be his assistant. Despite a rash of muscle-related injuries to five important Yankees in the past four weeks, Cashman is standing by his hires.
“I’m constantly evaluating everything we do,” he said in a telephone interview. “But do I blame Marty and Dana for this? No.”
If George was still in his prime, these two would have already been publicly humiliated or fired.
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Surely the number of players getting injured is kinda alarming but I don't think it's all or even the trainers and coaches' fault. I'm sure the players have their own thing when it comes to preparing, it's just a matter of combining these two elements for them to basically be injury-free.
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I've been wondering about why there were so many injuries plaguing the Yankees' start of the season, particularly hamstring strains/pulls/tears. Wang's injury was probably the most obscure one and he happened to be the first to fall to this epidemic. The first few injuries, I just chalked up to freak injuries that happen when players begin to train hard again after resting for a few months. The next few I blamed on weather. But honestly, how many more injuries do we need to have happen to Yankee players before we put the blame on the S&C program/coaches?
These mass-injury situations rarely happen. When it does happen, you can't just blame it on the player and/or the weather, especially when a lot of other teams have older players and had to endure the same weather conditions (if not worse). Why is it only the Yankees suffering team-wide injuries right now? Cash may not see anything wrong with his S&C hires, but if any more players keep getting injuries in the next month, he has to either fire the S&C coaches or tell them to make changes to their program. Because these injuries cannot keep happening all year long.
Won Gien Ming, I don't really keep up much with other team's injuries unless it is something major that gets a lot of press. Do you know that the Yankees are suffering more injuries than other teams or was that just supposition?
Tthe NYT article flymick linked provides some context:
The Yankees are hardly the only team with health concerns. Injuries are up by 30 percent across the major leagues compared with the last four years, Cashman said. He added that muscle injuries were not new to the Yankees.
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Maybe they should start looking for players without muscles!muscle injuries were not new to the Yankees.
Seriously, I know injuries happen in sports but what is troubling with the Yankee injuries (and a couple of others around MLB) is that they happen while players are performing seemingly routine functions, i.e., Abreu - strained his oblique swinging a bat; Chin Ming Wang pulls a hamstring pitching; Karstens hurts his elbow pitching (although elbow injuries are the result of the unnatural movement of the arm while pitching); Hideki Matsui strains hamstring running; and finally Mussina strains his hamstring pushing off the mound (which is an essential part of pitching!). That is like a secretary injuring her fingers by typing. I don't know that it's necessarily the fault of the strength and conditioning coaches but obviously "something ain't right"!
Abraham's latest has more feedback from various Yankees about the new conditioning program. While no one is coming right out and complaining, nobody seems to be impressed at all with the changes made by Marty Miller.
I thought this was just another instance of scapegoating at first, but there does appear to be a legitimate concern with the new "director of performance enhancement".
http://www.nyjournalnews.com/apps/pb...00/1034/SPORTS
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You'd think they'd want to go with a different title considering the focus on getting rid of performance enhancers in the sport.
I guess I'm surprised that Miller was hired when he has so little experience in professional sports, and none of it recently.
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This sentence jumped out at me "Several Yankees said that the team's pregame stretching routine is just an excuse for players to talk to each other before batting practice." I really makes me wonder if by not buying into the program, they may not be following it correctly. Complaining about stretching? I don't know about that mentality.
That jumped out at me also. Being a trainer in a retirement community isn't exactly what I'd look for on a resume if I was hiring someone to keep the Yankees in the best possible playing condition.You'd think they'd want to go with a different title considering the focus on getting rid of performance enhancers in the sport.
I guess I'm surprised that Miller was hired when he has so little experience in professional sports, and none of it recently.
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