As per Pete Abe's blog
Time to eat some crow peopleLHP Sean Henn, C Wil Nieves and 1B Josh Phelps are on the team.
No word on yet on the No. 5 starter other than that RHP Jeff Karstens is headed to the DL.
Torre and Cash get tons of credit for excellent choices here.
Wonderful, see ya Villone.
"Long Island is New Jersey with a GED." - Triumph the Insult Comic Dog.
Holy Lord... I can't believe it. Henn is a great move... I'm thrilled they are sending Villone down (at least that should be a direct relation to the Henn decision...) Only makes sense.
Thankfully, Cashman overruled Torre.
Seriously, I think that these were good decisions by Cashman/Torre, but I don't expect all three players to stick with the Yankees for the entire season.
I refuse to give Torre any credit or blame for roster decisions. It's ultimately Cashman's call. He made the right choice. Well, okay, he really should have found a better backup option to Nieves, but otherwise, good job.
All the right decisions. This is a good omen.
I heard this today...Did Coltrane actually exist? This is like being blind for 50 years, regaining sight, and then peering directly at the sun.
Great post. Perfect future analysis for the upcoming season roster. However, Josh Phelps has the greatest chance of remaining longer than Henn and Nieves. Has anyone seen Nieves throw to second when someone is attempting to steal? Don't know his arm strength. Press has noted how well he works with the pitching staff.Originally Posted by Yankees1962
Thankfully, Cashman overruled Torre.
Seriously, I think that these were good decisions by Cashman/Torre, but I don't expect all three players to stick with the Yankees for the entire season.
"All our dreams can come true, if we have the courage to pursue them." Walt Disney
Sadly, that's the case with both him and Pratt, our top two choices as a backup.
good news.
Henn! Awesome
Now I wonder what the rotation will be....
Pavano
Mussina
Pettitte
Igawa
Rasner?
Longman?
Got to be Rasner you'd think...Henn! Awesome
Now I wonder what the rotation will be....
Pavano
Mussina
Pettitte
Igawa
Rasner?
Longman?
Excellent decisions. I am still bummed that Villone was even offered a deal, IMO some team would have given him a major league deal and we would have gotten a nice pick. But this is good news today.
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Postseason OPS: .977
Keeping Henn over Villone is a good move.
Good, better & best.
It must have killed Joe to have to pick players with more talent than his guys. I feel that Cashman was involved on this one. If it were up to Torre, we would have Andy, Pratt, Villone and Scott Erickson.
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Igawa: That's secret.
"They should just practice during the regular season and show up for the playoffs -Ichiro on the Yankees
Henn and Phelps both earned their spots in ST. Either may not stick, but based on spring performance, both deserved to win spots over Villone and Phillips.
Pratt and Nieves... meh. Neither showed all that much -- but it's not like there's a weath of backup catcher talent.
UM... waiting for football
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Wang
Pettitte
Mussina
Igawa
Pavano
Rasner
Henn
Bruney
Vizcaino
Proctor
Farnsworth
Rivera
Is what it should be. Sadly, Myers will likely make the team.
If a backup catcher's role is solely to provide defense, Nieves should be acceptable. That being said, he will probably produce an offensive line of .130/.190/.230.
SI: Do you have a secret ambition?
Igawa: That's secret.
"They should just practice during the regular season and show up for the playoffs -Ichiro on the Yankees
uhhh...none of these are confirmed yet from torre or anyone officially in the organization. and to give torre credit for cutting villone (which he's yet to do) is not saying much. the guy's been downright awful. if he made the team, torre should be fired, but if he cuts him, we should give him credit?
yes it is confirmed with the team, you should
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All great moves, although I don't have much confidence in Nieves' hitting ability. I wouldn't be surprised if he was DFA'd at some point of time during the year. Also, I think Henn's stay up North will be a short one because as soon as Wang is ready to come back, and if Torre wants to keep Rasner/Karstens as a long man, Henn or Bruney will have to be sent down.
“I mean, people knew that Brown was out there, and that Randy was ornery all the time. And Pavano is whoever he is. But if you’re their manager, you can’t go out and write about them like that.”
I think you are so wrong. I do think Cashman was very involved but not in the sense that he was overruling Torre. I think Cashman has sold Torre on the younger/cheaper meme and they are both working on the same page. And I'm thrilled.
Phelps could actually become the everyday first baseman.
"Long Island is New Jersey with a GED." - Triumph the Insult Comic Dog.
Couldn't Henn be the long man?
"Long Island is New Jersey with a GED." - Triumph the Insult Comic Dog.
Your math is wrong. The bullpen includes Rasner, Henn, and Bruney right now, and once Wang is back they will lose only one of those 3, likely Rasner. They'll be carrying 12 pitchers.
Torre is too set in his ways to suddenly stop relying on guys over 35.
SI: Do you have a secret ambition?
Igawa: That's secret.
"They should just practice during the regular season and show up for the playoffs -Ichiro on the Yankees
Good job guys.
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Agree 100%
Please stay healthy, Jorge!
I hope Torre doesn't wear out Jorge. The last thing I want to see is his play dropping in September and/or the playoffs. That means sucking it up and resting Posada against weak teams.
I'm really impressed, although I'm not sure about Henn, but it was the right decision over Villone...
Calmer than you are.
What kind of a "nice" pick do you think we'd have gotten for Villone? Just askin.
Lets see here. The rotation is:
1. Moose
2. Pettitte
3. Pavano
4. Igawa
5. Rasner
The bullpen is:
6. Mo
7. Farnsworth
8. Proctor
9. Vizcaino
10. Myers
11. Bruney
12. Henn
So, when Wang comes back, Rasner (or Karstens if he's off the DL by then) will either move down to AAA or move to the bullpen to be the long man and Henn or Bruney will have to be optioned down.
“I mean, people knew that Brown was out there, and that Randy was ornery all the time. And Pavano is whoever he is. But if you’re their manager, you can’t go out and write about them like that.”
And quite possbily won the same number of games. That said, I like these choices better in terms of flexibility and potential realization of a greater upside (in Henn and Phelps).
Well, if he could, would he be as good at it as Rasner or Karstens? And, I think he is more thought of as a 1 inning type lefty reliever now.
“I mean, people knew that Brown was out there, and that Randy was ornery all the time. And Pavano is whoever he is. But if you’re their manager, you can’t go out and write about them like that.”
I think it would have been no worse than 64th overall.
as a yankee fan, these moves make me happy, but i still don't understand why we should give torre credit for this? he made the moves based on numbers and abandoned his old "veteran-ness" stat that seems so prominent in the majority of his managerial choices. are we giving credit for good moves, or for not making the bad moves?
This is great! But we've all ready got Wang why do we need a fifth man if we got him all ready? Sure he's injured right now but isn't he supposed to be back like April or May?
I don't believe that Cashman tells Torre which players to carry.
A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines.- Barry Manilow
It would have been at the bottom of the compensation picks between rounds 1 and 2. Someone figured out exactly what number it was somewhere around here.
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Career OPS: .965
Postseason OPS: .977
64th overall pick, or even 50th, is nothing to get too excited about.
Edit: I stand corrected (by myself). Villone was a type B free agent, so the Yankees would have gotten the signing team's first-round pick - unless they'd signed someone else as well.
A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines.- Barry Manilow
Didn't that change with the new CBA and type B was now a sandwich pick?
Yes, it would have been a sandwich pick. Joba was a sandwich pick last year.
Alex Rodriguez
Career OPS: .965
Postseason OPS: .977
Agreed. We eventually need a better backup to Nieves but he is a better choice than Pratt. Maybe Nieves can improve his bat and earn the backup job. We do have to find an eventual successor to Posada.
Andy
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Great news. Question though, if Villone does become a free agent and not sent to AAA, and if another team signs him are we still eligible to pick up that sandwhich pick?
We've hashed that around a few times and the general consensus is no.
Would it really have been less exciting than endless possibilities of Ron Villone?
Cashman is really running the team now, not just the organization, he should just be the manager.
Future
Betances(P)Brackman(P)Hughes(P)Heredia(P)Ramirez(P)Chamberlain(CP)Melancon(SU)
Montero(1B)Cano(2B)Angelini(SS)Suttle(3B)
Almonte(OF)Heathcott(OF)DeLeon(OF)Romine(C)
This shows a lot of growth on the part of Torre. In the past he would have went with experience/familiarity over the better player. I would have criticized him if he chose the wrong guys, so I have no problem giving him credit for selecting the right players even if we don't really know who has the final say in these decisions.
BTW, I have a feeling Henn is going to be more of a mop up guy than the lefty specialist. In any event, choosing him over Villone was the right decision.
Never left the Betances bandwagon.
The last year of a contract which you have decided you'd like to extend has the effect of enhancing the clarity of the guy's point of view who has major input on your future.
It is going to take a looooong time for Torre to develop his "trust" in Henn
Betances(P)Brackman(P)Hughes(P)Heredia(P)Ramirez(P)Chamberlain(CP)Melancon(SU)
Montero(1B)Cano(2B)Angelini(SS)Suttle(3B)
Almonte(OF)Heathcott(OF)DeLeon(OF)Romine(C)
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/news/...=.jsp&c_id=nyyA converted starter, Henn had shown signs of adapting to his new role in the bullpen and will be asked to continue that progress in the New York bullpen.
"Again, if you have young pitchers and you don't reward them when they do well, you shouldn't have young pitchers," Torre said. "He's earned the right."
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