View Full Version : So who do you think is gone next year?
JeterRodriguezSheff
10-07-06, 04:57 PM
A-rod
Torre
Mussina
Sheffield
Wright
Bernie
Pavano
I got money on at least half of those being traded or not re-signed. If Johnson retires that would be great. I honestly think the team is in for a major change.
No one would take Pavano.
JeterRodriguezSheff
10-07-06, 04:59 PM
No one would take Pavano.
That might be a good thing, it will be his contract year. He will pitch his heart out, and then sucker some other team into giving him a big contract.
BillBuckner
10-07-06, 05:00 PM
I don't even know where to begin.
That might be a good thing, it will be his contract year. He will pitch his heart out, and then sucker some other team into giving him a big contract.
We still have him until 2008.
Torre
Fasano
Giambi
A-Rod
Sheffield
Johnson
Wright
Pavano
Cairo
Get the best ace we can find and let the kids fill the rest of the roster.
I wouldn't be suprised if Arod or Cano are traded if we can get a really good starting pitching back in return. Those are the only two guys we can trade to get someone really good back
jnewmark
10-07-06, 05:01 PM
Everyone except Mo and Jeter. talk to me tomorrow when I'm sane again.:mad:
Jeter, Posada, Rivera, and Damon can stay
Everyone else must submit me a 30 second video on why they should be allowed
jlw1980
10-07-06, 05:01 PM
Right now....I don't even know what to say. My heart hurts.
indianyanksfan
10-07-06, 05:02 PM
fire torre
hire girardi
bye sheff and moose
hello draft picks
buyout wright
bye bye lidle
hello draft pics
bye bye bernie...
offer to send rj to the west coast NL team...
now who do we get for the starting rotation?
we just have wang?
ryanm1058123
10-07-06, 05:02 PM
Jeter can go too. The whole ................ing situation needs to be changed. There is a bad karma going around during the postseason. and that comes right from the captain. I know it won't happen, but it should.
jughead
10-07-06, 05:03 PM
I don't care how much it costs, the following people should be gone:
Alex Rodriguez
Carl Pavano
Jason Giambi
Jaret Wright
Gary Sheffield
Joe Torre
Kyle Farnsworth
Cory Lidle
Mike Mussina
Randy Johnson
I'd rather see the team lose 90 games with guys like Clippard than see those guys on the team again.
CalYankeeFan
10-07-06, 05:03 PM
That might be a good thing, it will be his contract year. He will pitch his heart out..........
and go on the DL because of it
I Heart Jeter
10-07-06, 05:03 PM
Who is up for options and/or free agency?
Sheffield... he should be gone, even if he ends up with the Red Sox. Or sign and trade him. But he doesn't need to be on this team anymore.
Arod, he has a no trade clause, but maybe it's best for him and the team that be traded.
Mussina... he stinks in the post season, but at least het gets 15 wins a season. Maybe we should keep him? We should have at least one veteran pitcher...
Randy Johsnon... We're stuck with him next year.
Seriously is there any one else from this present team that we can get rid of?
And it hurts me a lot to say this, but I agree with those who say it is time for Torre to go.
I wish I wasn't too old to cry :-(
indianyanksfan
10-07-06, 05:03 PM
as of now w/ my plans the team will have:
damon
jeter
abreu
cano
matsui
giambi
cabrera
posada
wang
mo
farns
proctor
myers
villone
bruney
fill in the blanks
JeterRodriguezSheff
10-07-06, 05:03 PM
Right now....I don't even know what to say. My heart hurts.
Im not in any pain, Im calm. If this team fought and battled and still lost it would hurt. However it was clear from the first inning today that they dont really care. So I dont care about this group of players.
Seriously half the team needs to go.
YankeePride1967
10-07-06, 05:04 PM
That might be a good thing, it will be his contract year. He will pitch his heart out, and then sucker some other team into giving him a big contract.
Nope, 2008 is his contract year.
Mattpat11
10-07-06, 05:04 PM
As long as A-Rod is gone I'm happy.
indianyanksfan
10-07-06, 05:04 PM
Im not in any pain, Im calm. If this team fought and battled and still lost it would hurt. However it was clear from the first inning today that they dont really care. So I dont care about this group of players.
Seriously half the team needs to go.
take a look at my above post and provide suggestions as to how to fill it in...my brain hurts now.
A-rod is staying
assuming we lose this game, in the first round I would get rid of all the older guys
Torre
Mussina
Sheffield
Williams
Lidle
Myers
Villone
If RJ retires then so be it, but i dont think he will
whoever else.....go ahead and bring in the younger players and start to get the core of young guys together....
Clippard and Hughes....let Melky either play LF or take over Bernie's roll this year. Maybe start Duncan in the bigs next year at 1B...Call up Smith as the dominant LH RP
IF we won the world series then I would've made a push to bring all those guys back, but I think since we're probably gonna be losing in the 1ST ROUND, and we've failed the last 6 or 7 years we need to start going in a new direction
try to bring Girardi or Pinella to manage
Mattingly023
10-07-06, 05:05 PM
A-Rod gets dealt, Sheff leaves on his own, Wright is gone, Torre leaves on his own, Pavano released/or waved, Bernie and RJ retire.
Rebuild it with Hughes, White, Tabita, Duncan, you have the core with Jorge, Jeet, Mo and now Abreu and Giambi.....I'd keep Moose....and I'd hire Girardi and get Tino, O'Neil on the bench with Mattingly and Joe G.
Espinosa's Glasses
10-07-06, 05:05 PM
We might be able to save some starving children with the money we pay A-Rod and Sheff...
Think about all them babies.
ryanm1058123
10-07-06, 05:05 PM
As long as A-Rod is gone I'm happy.
your true motives come out
YankeePride1967
10-07-06, 05:06 PM
Get rid of everyone. Everyone.
Darth_Takeo
10-07-06, 05:06 PM
Might as well cut the payroll since it has to be painfully obvious that spending over the moon is futile. Focus on developing pitching.
Right now....I don't even know what to say. My heart hurts. Don't let it get to you. Look at it this way - if we had won, we'd have to hear "$200 million payroll" all winter and everything else. It's better building a team like we did in the 90s, and like the Tigers have done now. We have great talent coming up led by Hughes. We can build a young, eager, speed team around a few good players like Jeter and Cano and be right there next year. Can't do that without a chopping block first though.
keithf1
10-07-06, 05:08 PM
Jeter can go too. The whole ................ing situation needs to be changed. There is a bad karma going around during the postseason. and that comes right from the captain. I know it won't happen, but it should.
You are an absolute idiot kid.
cmaff05
10-07-06, 05:08 PM
Jeezus christ guys.
There are a few people who need to be gone this year, but we don't need to get rid of everybody. We need to work on pitching in this offseason.
I want A-rod gone(NOT BECAUSE I THINK HE SUCKS OR ANY OF THAT GARBAGE) but because the drama revolving around him imo has a really bad influence on the team. However I don't want to just give him away for nothing, hopefully we can get something great in return.
I also want Torre gone for obvious reasons. He should've been fired after 2004 and its clear that his laid back style is NOT what this team needs. Not to mention his absolute inability to manage a bullpen.
Moose(I don't think he's a choker like some morons think) but I don't see him staying healthy/having a good year next year.
Randy Johnson, but I don't see any way he's off the team next year.
Oh and Sheff. I hope he ends up on the redsox.
Wright...nuff said.
JeterRodriguezSheff
10-07-06, 05:09 PM
I want A-rod gone(NOT BECAUSE I THINK HE SUCKS OR ANY OF THAT GARBAGE) but because the drama revolving around him imo has a really bad influence on the team. However I don't want to just give him away for nothing, hopefully we can get something great in return.
I also want Torre gone for obvious reasons. He should've been fired after 2004 and its clear that his laid back style is NOT what this team needs. Not to mention his absolute inability to manage a bullpen.
Moose(I don't think he's a choker like some morons think) but I don't see him staying healthy/having a good year next year.
Randy Johnson, but I don't see any way he's off the team next year.
Wright...nuff said.
I agree with you about the A-rod thing, 100%
jlw1980
10-07-06, 05:09 PM
Don't let it get to you. Look at it this way - if we had won, we'd have to hear "$200 million payroll" all winter and everything else. It's better building a team like we did in the 90s, and like the Tigers have done now. We have great talent coming up led by Hughes. We can build a young, eager, speed team around a few good players like Jeter and Cano and be right there next year. Can't do that without a chopping block first though.
Let people say "$200 million payroll" all they want, all offseason if we win. I'd bask in it. I wouldn't give a ................. We'd still have a ring.
dabomb2045
10-07-06, 05:10 PM
Torre
Wright
Pavano
Johnson
For god sakes, can we get some good pitching next year?? How about a pen that doesnt blow?? How about an offense that doesnt choke when the pressure is on??
Javadawg44
10-07-06, 05:10 PM
A-rod is staying
I just don't see that happening. I agree with the mindset, you don't trade away one of the 3 best players in the game, you find a way to make it work......but the way that nobody has protected him lately, I think he's gone.
bostonyankeefan
10-07-06, 05:10 PM
I can handle losing, but losing without a fight is just plain embarassing. Joe has had a great run, but he must go. A-Rod is a great talent, but unless Jeter is going to play another position or for another team, A-Rod will be a failure here. Joe should just declare a forfeit right now because this team has given up.
JeterRodriguezSheff
10-07-06, 05:10 PM
Jeezus christ guys.
There are a few people who need to be gone this year, but we don't need to get rid of everybody. We need to work on pitching in this offseason.
We need to work on getting pitching, I agree. We also need to work on getting players who care. The entire offense went down like dogs the past 2 days, no emotion, no remorse.
YankeePride1967
10-07-06, 05:11 PM
I want A-rod gone(NOT BECAUSE I THINK HE SUCKS OR ANY OF THAT GARBAGE) but because the drama revolving around him imo has a really bad influence on the team. However I don't want to just give him away for nothing, hopefully we can get something great in return.
I also want Torre gone for obvious reasons. He should've been fired after 2004 and its clear that his laid back style is NOT what this team needs. Not to mention his absolute inability to manage a bullpen.
Moose(I don't think he's a choker like some morons think) but I don't see him staying healthy/having a good year next year.
Randy Johnson, but I don't see any way he's off the team next year.
Oh and Sheff. I hope he ends up on the redsox.
Wright...nuff said.
Agreed on all points.
Jeter can go too. The whole ................ing situation needs to be changed. There is a bad karma going around during the postseason. and that comes right from the captain. I know it won't happen, but it should.
Jeter shouldn't go because he's not part of the problem. However he's a horrible team leader.
DEADSOX
10-07-06, 05:11 PM
Whos gone next year:
Torre
Moose
RJ
Wright
Shef.
Lidle
Farnsworth
Bernie
Villone
Myers
Proctor
Fasano
Pavano
jlw1980
10-07-06, 05:11 PM
Im not in any pain, Im calm. If this team fought and battled and still lost it would hurt. However it was clear from the first inning today that they dont really care. So I dont care about this group of players.
Seriously half the team needs to go.
I think it would hurt less if they fought and battled, because it would show they CARED. It hurts me that they look like they don't give a damn about winning, don't give a damn about us fans who live and die by this (whether or not we should).
Mattpat11
10-07-06, 05:11 PM
your true motives come out
If this guy is going to make EVERYTHING about him, he damn well better produce.
I was so happy when I thought we were getting Alex Rodriguez. We got the poor man's A-Rod with the entire Alex Rodriguez circus that is one million percent his fault. He LOVES this ................ing bull................. If he didn't love it, he would SHUT THE ................ UP.
But he loves the ................ing attention. So anytime something isn't totally about him, he MAKES it about him. We were doing fine before that Sports Illustrated article came out. Pefectly ................ing fine. But it wasn't about Alex Rodriguez, was it? And that just cant be.
cmaff05
10-07-06, 05:12 PM
Mo is the only player I can't get mad at for this series. And Wang. That's it.
YankeePride1967
10-07-06, 05:13 PM
If this guy is going to make EVERYTHING about him, he damn well better produce.
I was so happy when I thought we were getting Alex Rodriguez. We got the poor man's A-Rod with the entire Alex Rodriguez circus that is one million percent his fault. He LOVES this ................ing bull................. If he didn't love it, he would SHUT THE ................ UP.
But he loves the ................ing attention. So anytime something isn't totally about him, he MAKES it about him. We were doing fine before that Sports Illustrated article came out. Pefectly ................ing fine. But it wasn't about Alex Rodriguez, was it? And that just cant be.
:lol: :roflmao:
ryanm1058123
10-07-06, 05:14 PM
If this guy is going to make EVERYTHING about him, he damn well better produce.
I was so happy when I thought we were getting Alex Rodriguez. We got the poor man's A-Rod with the entire Alex Rodriguez circus that is one million percent his fault. He LOVES this ................ing bull................. If he didn't love it, he would SHUT THE ................ UP.
But he loves the ................ing attention. So anytime something isn't totally about him, he MAKES it about him. We were doing fine before that Sports Illustrated article came out. Pefectly ................ing fine. But it wasn't about Alex Rodriguez, was it? And that just cant be.
did A-Rod not sign one of your autographs or something? Maybe he stole your wife?
indianyanksfan
10-07-06, 05:14 PM
Whos gone next year:
Torre
Moose
RJ
Wright
Shef.
Lidle
Farnsworth
Bernie
Villone
Myers
Proctor
Fasano
Pavano
why would you get rid of farns and proctor? with mo that's a great 3 to BUILD the pen...
Boogiedown Bomber
10-07-06, 05:15 PM
Mo is the only player I can't get mad at for this series. And Wang. That's it.
I agree 100%.
Mattpat11
10-07-06, 05:15 PM
:lol: :roflmao:
No, you're right. He's just a shy guy that says whats on his mind and doesn't want any of the coverage he gets.
HOW WRONG I AM.
indianyanksfan
10-07-06, 05:15 PM
ok all of you listed who should be GONE...
but what about who should BE HERE?
I want A-rod gone(NOT BECAUSE I THINK HE SUCKS OR ANY OF THAT GARBAGE) but because the drama revolving around him imo has a really bad influence on the team. However I don't want to just give him away for nothing, hopefully we can get something great in return.
I also want Torre gone for obvious reasons. He should've been fired after 2004 and its clear that his laid back style is NOT what this team needs. Not to mention his absolute inability to manage a bullpen.
Moose(I don't think he's a choker like some morons think) but I don't see him staying healthy/having a good year next year.
Randy Johnson, but I don't see any way he's off the team next year.
Oh and Sheff. I hope he ends up on the redsox.
Wright...nuff said.
I agree with everything you said especially the Arod part, you put it perfectly.
In addition I'd pay Pavano's entirely salary and get him out of here for something as well. Wright should be paid and traded.
This team should have been blown up after 2004, it was plainly obvious although a financial nightmare. If Stein is smart he'll spend all the money he was going to spend anyway and more in getting rid of most of the team.
keithf1
10-07-06, 05:15 PM
Jeter shouldn't go because he's not part of the problem. However he's a horrible team leader.
Hello idiot #2.
Funny how you are both teenagers.
cmaff05
10-07-06, 05:15 PM
If this guy is going to make EVERYTHING about him, he damn well better produce.
I was so happy when I thought we were getting Alex Rodriguez. We got the poor man's A-Rod with the entire Alex Rodriguez circus that is one million percent his fault. He LOVES this ................ing bull................. If he didn't love it, he would SHUT THE ................ UP.
But he loves the ................ing attention. So anytime something isn't totally about him, he MAKES it about him. We were doing fine before that Sports Illustrated article came out. Pefectly ................ing fine. But it wasn't about Alex Rodriguez, was it? And that just cant be.
did somebody piss in your cheerios today.
ryanm1058123
10-07-06, 05:16 PM
Hello idiot #2.
Funny how you are both teenagers.
Thats a violation of the CS. You have been reported.
YankeeinCT
10-07-06, 05:16 PM
Right now I don't care who comes back. I don't know if I can spend as much time next year following their games. This has been horrible to watch. Plus my office mate is a Tigers fan so I have to face her on Monday.
I hope the As sweeo the Tigers the next go round.
why would you get rid of farns and proctor? with mo that's a great 3 to BUILD the pen...
Farnsworth is a major headcase.
I'm still not convinced Proctor is anything special.
brosiusbuddy
10-07-06, 05:17 PM
Torre, Sheffield, Moose, Arod, Villone, and hopefully Johnson. In my opinion, the more the better. I don't care how good they are in the regular season, I'd much rather have younger guys who play with enthusiasm and would be excited to play in October, and have it show on the field, than these mega-stars who collectively collapse in the playoffs.
YankeePride1967
10-07-06, 05:17 PM
No, you're right. He's just a shy guy that says whats on his mind and doesn't want any of the coverage he gets.
HOW WRONG I AM.
:lol: :roflmao:
keithf1
10-07-06, 05:18 PM
Thats a violation of the CS. You have been reported.
So you're not debating the fact that you are indeed an idiot?
I can live with that.
A-rod - him and Yankee organization just aren't compatible. Hopefully he can go to another team, return to SS and play like 2005
Sheff - not a good fit
Villone/Proctor- it's a toss up pick one
Bernie - good times are over
Torre- see above
Johnson- too old
Mussina- reminds of the pitching version of A-rod minus the hoopla
Giambi- good hitter but too many nagging injuries and streaky performances
Mattpat11
10-07-06, 05:19 PM
did A-Rod not sign one of your autographs or something? Maybe he stole your wife?
Get the ................ over yourself.
I know its board law to make Alex Rodriguez this huge ................ing martyr.
But he has brought every ounce of this on himself. Every last bit of it. If he did this once, maybe you could say well, he slipped. But he does it over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. And when its time to put up or shut up and back up his words, THIS is what we get. He can no longer hit he can't field, but I'd be SHOCKED if he stops talking.
Arod is batting 8th today, that's a vote of no confidence. They will make an attempt to move him this winter. If he's stupid enough to invoke his NTC, then he deserves everything he'll get this year. If he's smart he'll get the hell out of Dodge. The media and fans will be RUTHLESS, you ain't seen nothing yet.
indianyanksfan
10-07-06, 05:19 PM
Farnsworth is a major headcase.
I'm still not convinced Proctor is anything special.
so who replaces them in the pen? proctor's had a great year...
jlw1980
10-07-06, 05:20 PM
Thats a violation of the CS. You have been reported.
twice
effdamets
10-07-06, 05:20 PM
Everyone is angry..... Let's not make it personal here....
If he's stupid enough to invoke his NTC, then he deserves everything he'll get this year. If he's smart he'll get the hell out of Dodge.
Agree
YankeePride1967
10-07-06, 05:20 PM
twice
three times for the third one.
Mattpat11
10-07-06, 05:20 PM
did somebody piss in your cheerios today.
This ................ing team did. I wasted six months of my life on this group so they could lose to ................ING DETROIT?
brosiusbuddy
10-07-06, 05:20 PM
A-rod - him and Yankee organization just aren't compatible. Hopefully he can go to another team, return to SS and play like 2005
Sheff -
Villone/Proctor- it's a toss up pick one
Bernie - good times are over
Johnson- too old
Mussina- reminds of the pitching version of A-rod
No way its a toss up between Villone and Proctor. If Proctor had a manager who knew how to work a pen he'd never raise a doubt in any of us when he took the hill. Villone is 38 years old, Proctor is 30. Proctor stays, Villone goes.
I like Matsui but if we can get good starting pitching from him they should do it. Sheffield's gotta go as well. A-Rod has an NTC so he won't get traded. I'd rather see the more logical Bowa get a shot at managing. Because "experimenting" Sheffield on first base at a crucial playoff game is not a smart move.
Nettles9
10-07-06, 05:21 PM
It sounds crazy but this team was more fun to watch and actually seemed to play better when they were putting out lineups with Phillips, Cabrera, Guiel, and Bernie.
paullio
10-07-06, 05:21 PM
Its gonna suck so bad watching A-Rod have an MVP caliber season for another team. Its a lose-lose situation with him. He can't play in NY. We won't get a fair trade value for him. And he'll play his ass off elsewhere.
cmaff05
10-07-06, 05:21 PM
This ................ing team did. I wasted six months of my life on this group so they could lose to ................ING DETROIT?
Christ. They have better pitching than we do.
Yankees1962
10-07-06, 05:21 PM
Right now I don't care who comes back. I don't know if I can spend as much time next year following their games. This has been horrible to watch. Plus my office mate is a Tigers fan so I have to face her on Monday.
I hope the As sweeo the Tigers the next go round.
You got it easy, I live in Michigan surrounded by Tigers fans and come Monday morning, I'll be paying out some greenbacks to them while I take their verbal abuse.
A-rod - him and Yankee organization just aren't compatible. Hopefully he can go to another team, return to SS and play like 2005
Sheff - not a good fit
Villone/Proctor- it's a toss up pick one
Bernie - good times are over
Torre- see above
Johnson- too old
Mussina- reminds of the pitching version of A-rod minus the hoopla
Ok. But why the hell would anyone want to get rid of Proctor? His season had a few hiccups, but he was one of the major bright spots this season, and he's done well so far in this disastrous ALDS.
NYIndian2005
10-07-06, 05:22 PM
This forum resembles the yankee team right now if you know what I mean.
ryanm1058123
10-07-06, 05:22 PM
This ................ing team did. I wasted six months of my life on this group so they could lose to ................ING DETROIT?
Calm down man.
I agree that A-Rod should be traded.
But calm down. You're gonna get yourself banned, and although you are a hard time at times, it would suck if you got banned
keithf1
10-07-06, 05:22 PM
lol. Are you the same people who tattled on people in grade school?
When someone continuously makes idiotic comments. I have no shame in calling them an idiot as I would do the same to each of their faces.
YankeePride1967
10-07-06, 05:22 PM
Christ. They have better pitching than we do.
Oh Christ, you're right.
RIYankee23
10-07-06, 05:22 PM
No one would take Pavano.
That's fine, just find a way to void his contract.
bleachersown
10-07-06, 05:23 PM
Jeter can go too. The whole ................ing situation needs to be changed. There is a bad karma going around during the postseason. and that comes right from the captain. I know it won't happen, but it should.
Excuse me?
keithf1
10-07-06, 05:23 PM
Excuse me?
Excuse him, he's an idiot. I went over this a bit earlier. You are late to the party ;).
Its gonna suck so bad watching A-Rod have an MVP caliber season for another team. Its a lose-lose situation with him. He can't play in NY. We won't get a fair trade value for him. And he'll play his ass off elsewhere.
Unless he goes to a hitter's park look for him to continue come up short of people's expectations of him.
YankeePride1967
10-07-06, 05:23 PM
That's fine, just find a way to void his contract.
I'm sure if they could they would have by now.
Mattpat11
10-07-06, 05:23 PM
Christ. They have better pitching than we do.
No they had Kenny Rogers! You know the guy that you specifically started a thread to say how muchy he sucked?
I just don't see that happening. I agree with the mindset, you don't trade away one of the 3 best players in the game, you find a way to make it work......but the way that nobody has protected him lately, I think he's gone.
its not up to anybody but Arod
and he stays, and i really dont think it matters whether anyone else likes it or not.....i'm 100% positive he'll be a yankee next year
brosiusbuddy
10-07-06, 05:24 PM
Christ. They have better pitching than we do.
There are no excuses for this team. Detroit has very good pitching. But good teams like ours should be able to score runs regardless. The fact that we've been completely shut down is a joke. The Yankees have folded once again in October and they are an embarassment.
ryanm1058123
10-07-06, 05:24 PM
Excuse me?
i'm just venting my anger. people are delusional though if they don't think jeter is part of the problem over the past couple years.
Its gonna suck so bad watching A-Rod have an MVP caliber season for another team. Its a lose-lose situation with him. He can't play in NY. We won't get a fair trade value for him. And he'll play his ass off elsewhere.
That's the only thing I don't like about trading A-rod but it just won't work here in NYC and the Yankees are better off, not necessarily performance wise (although some would beg to differ) but getting the A-rod Circus out of town.
cmaff05
10-07-06, 05:24 PM
Excuse him, he's an idiot. I went over this a bit earlier. You are late to the party ;).
You've been reported several times. I reccomend you don't call people idiots and instead have some civil conversation.
so who replaces them in the pen? proctor's had a great year...
I wouldn't dump Proctor, he's a good guy in the back of the pen for sure. He's not a setup man on a 200 million dollar team.
Farnsworth is even worse. He's expected to be our setup guy, can't pitch back to back, can't go two innings. He sucks.
dabomb2045
10-07-06, 05:25 PM
How about we use the HUGE financial advantage we have over every other team.....and actually build a team that wont fold in the playoffs. One that has good pitching, a pen that doesnt blow, and a bunch of position players who dont dissapear when the pressure rises.
YankeePride1967
10-07-06, 05:25 PM
You've been reported several times. I reccomend you don't call people idiots and instead have some civil conversation.
interesting that when people say something they disagree with they are labled "idiots".
What really needs to go is the team's "patient" philosophy. It works on paper, but not in reality b/c it zaps players of energy. This is the same reason the early 00s Oakland teams never advanced.
cmaff05
10-07-06, 05:25 PM
No they had Kenny Rogers! You know the guy that you specifically started a thread to say how muchy he sucked?
There is no excuse for not hitting Rogers. And this was a very winnable series. But we lost it. Due to them having a better pitching staff.
RIYankee23
10-07-06, 05:25 PM
Arod for Jered Weaver, Krod, and Figgins.
If Cash is afraid to trade him within the AL then I'm sure we can get a good combo of a #1 starter, a top setup guy, and a decent third baseman from the NL.
keithf1
10-07-06, 05:26 PM
You've been reported several times. I reccomend you don't call people idiots and instead have some civil conversation.
I see nothing wrong with what I did. I call what I see.
Tell me this though. Has kissing ass got you somewhere in life so far?
Mattpat11
10-07-06, 05:26 PM
Calm down man.
I agree that A-Rod should be traded.
But calm down. You're gonna get yourself banned, and although you are a hard time at times, it would suck if you got banned
Banned for WHAT? Not celebrating this DISASTER of a season? Not towing the "A-Rod is a martyr" line?
What really needs to go is the team's "patient" philosophy. It works on paper, but not in reality b/c it zaps players of energy. This is the same reason the early 00s Oakland teams never advanced.
Agreed, the less they get on base the better.
BillBuckner
10-07-06, 05:26 PM
If I were GM:
1.) Gary Sheffield
2.) Randy Johnson
3.) Jaret Wright
4.) Bernie Williams
just for starters...
Mo is the only player I can't get mad at for this series. And Wang. That's it.
put Posada on that list. He hasn't hit in game 4 but he's had a good series, dont a good job behind the plate
effdamets
10-07-06, 05:27 PM
There are no excuses for this team. Detroit has very good pitching. But good teams like ours should be able to score runs regardless. The fact that we've been completely shut down is a joke. The Yankees have folded once again in October and they are an embarassment.
I semi agree with this... The Yankees are not an embarassment, but, the Tigers did have good pitching during the regular season, you know, when the Yankees beat them 7 out of 9....
its not up to anybody but Arod
and he stays, and i really dont think it matters whether anyone else likes it or not.....i'm 100% positive he'll be a yankee next year
I use to think the same thing but as time went on I"ve come to believe a trade would be in the interest of both parties.
dabomb2045
10-07-06, 05:27 PM
Agreed, the less they get on base the better.
The real question should be.....why did we all of a sudden lose that patient approach in this series?? This team cant handle pressure
keithf1
10-07-06, 05:27 PM
interesting that when people say something they disagree with they are labled "idiots".
He is an 18 year old kid that has no idea what he is talking about. A bundle of idiotic statements over the last few months, topped off with a solid Jeter bash is enough for me to call him an idiot and receive my ban.
cmaff05
10-07-06, 05:28 PM
put Posada on that list. He hasn't hit in game 4 but he's had a good series, dont a good job behind the plate
Oh yeah. I forgot about him. He's number 3 on my list.
Yankees1962
10-07-06, 05:28 PM
I semi agree with this... The Yankees are not an embarassment, but, the Tigers did have good pitching during the regular season, you know, when the Yankees beat them 7 out of 9....
I think the Yankees have been embarrassed this playoff series.
mjdlight
10-07-06, 05:28 PM
Its odd, as JeterRodriguezSheff said, I feel nothing. Nothing. I'm not upset at this team in the least. Its just an empty feeling. Its the complete opposite of the feelings I had when they lost in 2001. My heart broke for that team.
Anyway, if 2001 was indeed the last night of the Yankee Dynasty, then I believe 2006 is the last night of the Yankee Anti-Dynasty that began in 2002. This team is going to be changed significantly. Don't pick up Sheff's option. If the Yanks eat some of Arod's contract, I think they could get a solid, decent return for him. I wish RJ could go, but that's not happening. I wish he would retire, but that's not happening either. In any case, I just don't think he's healthy enough to be a starter next year. Maybe make him the most expensive LOOGY in history? I'm not sure what else you can do with him.
In any case, I have total confidence in Cash and Stick and our rebuilding farm system to get this done.
To the birth of the new dynasty!
RIYankee23
10-07-06, 05:28 PM
I think Mussina is gone. He's going to want big money for at least 3 years and he's simply not worth it. Not at his age and not after he blew a 3-1 lead in game 2 to a free swinging team. That was the turning point of the series.
Maybe RJ retires.
Do whatever it takes to sign Zito.
SP: Zito, Wang, RJ, Pavano...Matsuzaku or another free agent pitcher.
Sheff,Arod,Giambi,Bernie,Jared,Moose Randy....U GONE!!
YankeePride1967
10-07-06, 05:28 PM
What really needs to go is the team's "patient" philosophy. It works on paper, but not in reality b/c it zaps players of energy. This is the same reason the early 00s Oakland teams never advanced.
actually, that philosophy that we followed in the regular season seemed to have been forgotten once Tuesday got here. The problem isn't in the philosophy, the problem is in the abandonment of it.
hardrain
10-07-06, 05:28 PM
A-rod...gone
Torre..gone
Jglaubman
10-07-06, 05:28 PM
1. Sheffield
2. Mussina
3. Randy Johnson (hopefully he retires)
4. Jaret Wright
5. Corey Lidle
6. Alex Rodriguez.... I love him, I have always supported him, I think he is one of the GREATEST players to ever play the game... but he is never going to succeed in New York with the Yankee fans CONSTANTLY ripping him.
brosiusbuddy
10-07-06, 05:29 PM
lol. Are you the same people who tattled on people in grade school?
When someone continuously makes idiotic comments. I have no shame in calling them an idiot as I would do the same to each of their faces.
Then you ought to consider the idiotic comments you are making. Everyone in here is pissed right now. The team is an embarassment and we're all pissed. However, you are the only one directly attacking anyone you can. You ought to learn to control your emotion and save your comments for when you actually have the chance to say them to someones face. Because right now you just seem like a child.
dabomb2045
10-07-06, 05:29 PM
I think the Yankees have been embarrassed this playoff series.
They have embarassed themselves ever since 2004. The team is a joke.
Agreed, the less they get on base the better.
That's not the point. The point is, patience only works against erratic pitching, so when a Rogers or a Bonderman or a bloody Schilling pulls a great game out of his ass and stays in the strike zone, a team that relies too heavily on OBP will inevitably do nothing offensively. Again, look at the early 00s A's or the last 3 Yankee teams and you'll see numerous examples of this. Getting on base is great, but it's not ironclad, and the lack of luck/big breaks (such as Posada's bloop double in '03) negates the randomness of the game of baseball.
Panamaniac42
10-07-06, 05:29 PM
I'll see you guys in a couple of months...bye
YankeePride1967
10-07-06, 05:29 PM
He is an 18 year old kid that has no idea what he is talking about. A bundle of idiotic statements over the last few months, topped off with a solid Jeter bash is enough for me to call him an idiot and receive my ban.
I think to get on Jeter is dumb. But it would be fruitless to get banned for a statement someone else said. I've seen much dumber statements in my time here I just ignore them. I enjoy your posts and hope you don't get banned.
newa6eoutlw
10-07-06, 05:30 PM
I got a trade for you Arod for Dontrelle Willis and jason wood(to replace Arod @ 3B) or Runyel Pinto
2) Torre should be fired coz when i watch i feel like hes too laid back the yankees need a manager like Piniella
3) Sheff,Lidle,Wright,Villone( who will be replaced by Henn) ALL NEED TO GO
cupcollector99
10-07-06, 05:30 PM
Start with Torre, ARod and work your way from there.. Nobody is safe..
Yankees1962
10-07-06, 05:31 PM
He is an 18 year old kid that has no idea what he is talking about. A bundle of idiotic statements over the last few months, topped off with a solid Jeter bash is enough for me to call him an idiot and receive my ban.
That's too bad because I don't think he's worth getting banned for. You're better off just ignoring such posters, but I know emotions are running high right now. Oldtimers like myself have been through too many disappointed playoff series like this before to go over the deep end with emotion.
YankeePride1967
10-07-06, 05:32 PM
I think there will be a lot of changes. I think Joe will be fired. Alex I think will be at least looked at to trade. Moose I think will be gone. Shef gone. RJ should be gone but I expect him back.
JeterRodriguezSheff
10-07-06, 05:32 PM
ok all of you listed who should be GONE...
but what about who should BE HERE?
PEN:
Bruney: cheap, young, throws hard, good potetional
Farnsworth: No point in moving him, hes a solid guy in the pen, though inconsistant
Proctor: If we can rip a team off for Proctor do it, other wise keep him
Villone: Was a big part of keeping the team alive in the first half, hopefully he bounces back from overuse
Rivera: nothing needs to be said
Starting Rotation:
Wang:see Rivera
Johnson: Hopefully he will retire, if he doesnt we dont have a choice
Wright/Lidle: Only as a sixth starter
Infield:
Jeter
Posada
Cano
Giambi:It would be nice if we could get rid of him but we cant
cairo:decent back up
Outfield:
Abreu:right fielder
Melky:fourth outfielder
Matsui: Leftfielder
Damon: center
Sign Matsuzaka and Zito, if you can trade A-rod trade him for somebody like Zambrano.
It's getting very hard to like A-Rod. I'd rather see Bowa manage than Torre who cares so much about Sheffield's feelings that he has to put him on first base.
RIYankee23
10-07-06, 05:32 PM
Jeter shouldn't go because he's not part of the problem. However he's a horrible team leader.
Wow. :o
keithf1
10-07-06, 05:33 PM
Then you ought to consider the idiotic comments you are making. Everyone in here is pissed right now. The team is an embarassment and we're all pissed. However, you are the only one directly attacking anyone you can. You ought to learn to control your emotion and save your comments for when you actually have the chance to say them to someones face. Because right now you just seem like a child.
Not true. I am telling the people making idiotic statements that they are indeed idiots. Then, I am telling those who get the ego boost of reporting someone for being naughty, that they have some serious issues.
I am controlling my emotions. They are the ones cursing their brains out and saying Jeter should be off the team.
jnewmark
10-07-06, 05:33 PM
I think to get on Jeter is dumb. But it would be fruitless to get banned for a statement someone else said. I've seen much dumber statements in my time here I just ignore them. I enjoy your posts and hope you don't get banned.
You gotta admit that saying Jeter has been part of the problem for the last few years is, well, idiotic. ;)
cmaff05
10-07-06, 05:33 PM
Watching Mo in the bullpen makes me sick. It's so sad.
The real question should be.....why did we all of a sudden lose that patient approach in this series?? This team cant handle pressure
This team has players like Damon, Jeter, Sheffield, Matsui and Giambi, all of whom are thought to be great players come playoff time. Clutch if you will. Building a team that you think won't fold come playoff time is impossible.
The real question should be.....why did we all of a sudden lose that patient approach in this series?? This team cant handle pressure
They HAVEN'T abandoned it until this game. Problem was, after the Damon homerun, the Tigers pitchers stopped caring about being careful, so whenever our guys took a couple of pitches they ended up down 0-2.
By the way, can anyone name a post 2000 WS winner OTHER than the 04 Sox that played the Yankees' style of baseball?
The team psychologist should be fired.
I haven't seen this many headcases in the same place since One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Next.
brosiusbuddy
10-07-06, 05:34 PM
I got a trade for you Arod for Dontrelle Willis and jason wood(to replace Arod @ 3B) or Runyel Pinto
2) Torre should be fired coz when i watch i feel like hes too laid back the yankees need a manager like Piniella
3) Sheff,Lidle,Wright,Villone( who will be replaced by Henn) ALL NEED TO GO
What about Arod to LAA? Do you think they'd give us Kendrick and some pitching? It looks like Duncan isn't going to pan out so I wonder if we could get Hendrick and put him at 1st base, where he played for the Angels some this year.
carnasphere
10-07-06, 05:34 PM
I say we spend our money and get some scouts, such as the Marlins used to build their team. We have a MAJOR advantage over them in that we can hold onto some of our players and develop some as the Marlins did...
WHO NEEDS TO GO:
Double-Play-Rod
Burned out Joe Blow
Gary "I"m the Greatest" Sheffield
Randy held-by-a-twig Johnson
Carl "I hurt myself" Pavano
The team that blew the Tigers series is that THIS IS NOT THE TEAM THAT GOT US TO 97 WINS!!!!!!!!!! Bringin back Matusui and Sheffield (great as they are) has messed w/ the chemistry. We need a team that can grow together.
MattUNC2003
10-07-06, 05:34 PM
At least reading the blatant (and unnecessary) bashing of other posters in this thread is bringing a strange, yet fulfilling, reprise to the situation.......
YankeePride1967
10-07-06, 05:35 PM
You gotta admit that saying Jeter has been part of the problem for the last few years is, well, idiotic. ;)
It is, but is it more appropriate or efficient to A.) sink to that level of idiocy or B.) put up a response to counter it? It is extremely easy to rebunk that notion (that Jeter has been part of the problem).
brosiusbuddy
10-07-06, 05:35 PM
Not true. I am telling the people making idiotic statements that they are indeed idiots. Then, I am telling those who get the ego boost of reporting someone for being naughty, that they have some serious issues.
I am controlling my emotions. They are the ones cursing their brains out and saying Jeter should be off the team.
Well, regardless, you are still allowing yourself to say things you shouldn't due to the fact that we're all pissed about the current state of the Yankees. That, whether or not you realize it, is the same reason everyone else has been making "idiotic" statements.
What really needs to go is the team's "patient" philosophy. It works on paper, but not in reality b/c it zaps players of energy. This is the same reason the early 00s Oakland teams never advanced.
You mean the same patient philisophy they used in the 90's? The approach hasn't changed. This is exactly what those teams tried to do.
SINCE77 2
10-07-06, 05:35 PM
Arod to the Cubs (he needs a team to call his own). Zambrano comes here. Let Sheff walk.
keithf1
10-07-06, 05:36 PM
It is, but is it more appropriate or efficient to A.) sink to that level of idiocy or B.) put up a response to counter it? It is extremely easy to rebunk that notion (that Jeter has been part of the problem).
I don't believe in this way of life unless extreme circumstances. Sometimes you just gotta tell it like it is. People need to be put in their place.
keithf1
10-07-06, 05:37 PM
Well, regardless, you are still allowing yourself to say things you shouldn't due to the fact that we're all pissed about the current state of the Yankees. That, whether or not you realize it, is the same reason everyone else has been making "idiotic" statements.
I have no regrets of calling those 2 idiots, nor will I if I get banned. I enjoy these forums a lot but they are indeed idiots (see their cursing and outrageous comments).
hobokenfish
10-07-06, 05:37 PM
Here's my realistic list of who likely will not be back:
A-Rod: it just isn't working here, and the front office will beg him to waive his no trade clause so we can hopefully get some pitching
Sheffield: no way they pick up his option, and there's no position for him
Torre: three years in a row of postseason embarrassments could be enough to get him fired
Wright: his contract will probably be bought out and the money spent elsewhere for someone else who can go more than 80 pitches per start
Lidle: free agent who will not likely be back
Mussina: his option won't be picked up; it will be interesting to see if they negotiate something else, but he's old, his velocity isn't there anymore, and he's not reliable to make 30-35 starts anymore without breaking down
I would like to waive bye-bye to Randy Johnson as well, but like Kevin Brown, he's not leaving any money on the table and is virtually untradeable.
Fire Torre This is the most important thing of the whole thing..
Sheffield will be gone
Mussina will be gone
Pay Pavano he's money and trade him to some club for nothing.
A-Rod will stay
Depending on who's coming to pitch Jaret Wright should be gone too..
Lidle gone
Farnsworth = AAA
Randy Johnson is not going to go away from his big salary next year, even though he should retire.. Sorry to say soo
Grab Matzuzaka
Grab D-Train
Damon CF
Jeter 2nd
Abreu RF
A-Rod 3b
Giambi DH
Matsui LF
Posada C
Cano 2nd
Who will play first.. Wilson?!, Or is he a Free Agent too
Btw.. Cut Mike Myers too.. please..
We need a setup guy and some midle relief, who's better than Proc and Bruney please.... and a veteran long man.. Leiter type of guy
South Facing Epitaph
10-07-06, 05:38 PM
For god sakes, can we get some good pitching next year?? How about a pen that doesnt blow?? How about an offense that doesnt choke when the pressure is on??
This sums up my feelings.
I also want to add that Mattpat is my favorite poster on this site.
Here's my realistic list of who likely will not be back:
A-Rod: it just isn't working here, and the front office will beg him to waive his no trade clause so we can hopefully get some pitching
At this point I seriously doubt they will have to beg A-rod
What about Arod to LAA? Do you think they'd give us Kendrick and some pitching? It looks like Duncan isn't going to pan out so I wonder if we could get Hendrick and put him at 1st base, where he played for the Angels some this year.
Kendrick is their starting 2nd baseman next year. He doesn't have the arm to play 3B and he just isn't a 1B with the bat long term, even with his good average. I don't think they trade him for ARod. What you hear is Chone Figgins and some pitching, but really, that just isn't a deal worth making. The team doesn't get better and the long term impact is negligible. I'd rather find a really good pitching prospect and hope that he pans out. It's a risk, but the sure thing isn't any better than what the team could get on the free agent market, so I'd rather take the risk.
At this point I seriously doubt they will have to beg A-rod
If Arod's smart he'll realize that he's going to be the sacrificial lamb and be very open to the Yankees dealing him.
Nettles9
10-07-06, 05:42 PM
A-Rod to the Dodgers for some young pitching, that's what I would try to do. Yanks need some youg power arms. Enough with these old bums.
Arod to the Cubs (he needs a team to call his own). Zambrano comes here. Let Sheff walk.
What do the Cubs get out of this? I'd say the combo of Zambrano and Ramirez is better than just ARod from the Cubs point of view.
If Arod's smart he'll realize that he's going to be the sacrificial lamb and be very open to the Yankees dealing him.
Which I"m inclined to believe he will despite his brave little front about not waiving his NTC
yank4life2005
10-07-06, 05:43 PM
A-Rod to the Cubs makes sense if NY picks up say 5MM a season for something.
Mussina, Wright, Sheffield can pack their bags.
indianyanksfan
10-07-06, 05:43 PM
the best thing the yanks did last season was clean up the whole tampa vs ny garbage.
so they already started changing things from the top last year.
the next step is get rid of torre.
then fix the pitching but the problelm is the market is thin.
i think it's time they traded matsui...he's too streaky and his stupid game streak really hurt his production down the stretch. and he cant defend anymore.
brosiusbuddy
10-07-06, 05:43 PM
Randy really isn't well liked in New York and he definitely isn't having success here. I know he's old and probably wouldn't like to be traded, but I feel the only reason he's even playing anymore is to get the 300 wins he wants so badly. The best spot for him to do that would be in a big NL ballpark somewhere out on the warm west coast. Do you think there is a chance that we can work a trade with a team where we just eat the 16 mil in return for some good prospects or a good everyday player?
It might sound crazy to just eat 16 mil, but its not as if Randy Johnson is earning that so it wouldn't be stupid to trade him away for some prospects who could actually help this team somewhere down the line.
A-Rod to the Dodgers for some young pitching, that's what I would try to do. Yanks need some youg power arms. Enough with these old bums.
Although, I think A-rod is gone, I don't see him approving of a trade to any team NL especially to sorry @ss heck teams like the Dodgers or Cubs. But you never know...
RIYankee23
10-07-06, 05:44 PM
So Arod gets traded for a starter, reliever, and an IF.
Moose walks.
Bernie retires.
Sheff walks.
That gives us SP: Zito, Wang, Zambrano or Weaver (dep on where Arod goes), RJ, Pavano on the DL.
Proctor
Bruney
poss another reliever Krod??? Shields? or another good setup guy part of arod trade
Farns
Mo
Either Lou or Giradi as manager.
That's about the best picture I can paint and it's not that bad. It gives us better pitching than we have now and as exhibit A says on the tv right now: that's what wins.
dabomb2045
10-07-06, 05:45 PM
The more I think about it then more it makes sense to try to trade ARod for some pitching. Hopefully he will waive his NTC.
CTfan5959
10-07-06, 05:45 PM
Say goodbye to Sheffield.
Do not pick up Moose's option (older starters are part of why our team has bogged down)
Do not pick up Wright's option (wonder who in the organization will admit signing Jaret was THEIR call??)
Find a good glove man to play 1st base. Giambi's defense is too costly in terms of runs allowed.
How's this for a trade to bring the team in a more fundamentally sound direction -- A-Rod and cash (maybe 3-4 million a year) to the Angels for Chone Figgins, who becomes the everyday 3rd baseman and slides between Damon and Jeter in the batting order. Derek should easily drive in 110 runs battting third behind them next year.
The karma swirling around A-Rod is just wrong. Let him have fun in Anaheim. The Yankees will win without him.
brosiusbuddy
10-07-06, 05:45 PM
Although, I think A-rod is gone, I don't see him approving of a trade to any team NL especially to sorry @ss heck teams like the Dodgers or Cubs. But you never know...
Realistically, any team you trade him to out in the NL west automatically becomes a contender because its such a garbage division anyhow. So he could approve a trade out there. Especially since its as far away from NY as you can get.
effdamets
10-07-06, 05:46 PM
I'm afraid that Cashman will be gone.....
indianyanksfan
10-07-06, 05:47 PM
What do the Cubs get out of this? I'd say the combo of Zambrano and Ramirez is better than just ARod from the Cubs point of view.
zambrano and wang at the top of the rotation...hmm interesting.
ramirez is a good bat.
I'm afraid that Cashman will be gone.....
He is the only person in the organization doing his job
Lets trade A-Rod and Farnsworth to the Phillies for Matt Smith and 4 Minor Leaguers
A-Rod to the Dodgers for some young pitching, that's what I would try to do. Yanks need some youg power arms. Enough with these old bums.
What pitchers? I'm not trying to be an ass here, but I'm trying to think of a young Dodgers pitcher who projects as a top of the rotation guy.
He is the only person in the organization doing his job
Word!!
A-rod
Torre
Mussina
Sheffield
Wright
Bernie
Pavano
I got money on at least half of those being traded or not re-signed. If Johnson retires that would be great. I honestly think the team is in for a major change.
I think it probably is about time for Torre to go, Im not even saying its his fault but someone has to be held responsible.
I think we would be silly to bring back Moose for his option year at that price, its apparent he wears out as the season goes and he will just be another year older.
I wouldnt bring sheff back.
I remember Randy Johnson said he would retire if he felt like he couldnt pitch and pitch well, Id call him on that.
I keep hearing we need to sign either Zito or Matsuzaka, id lean we should sign both.
indianyanksfan
10-07-06, 05:48 PM
Randy really isn't well liked in New York and he definitely isn't having success here. I know he's old and probably wouldn't like to be traded, but I feel the only reason he's even playing anymore is to get the 300 wins he wants so badly. The best spot for him to do that would be in a big NL ballpark somewhere out on the warm west coast. Do you think there is a chance that we can work a trade with a team where we just eat the 16 mil in return for some good prospects or a good everyday player?
It might sound crazy to just eat 16 mil, but its not as if Randy Johnson is earning that so it wouldn't be stupid to trade him away for some prospects who could actually help this team somewhere down the line.
i think the dodgers/giants would be a good spot.
AMYanks
10-07-06, 05:48 PM
What pitchers? I'm not trying to be an ass here, but I'm trying to think of a young Dodgers pitcher who projects as a top of the rotation guy.
Billingsley projects to be a top of the rotation starter.
brosiusbuddy
10-07-06, 05:49 PM
I'm afraid that Cashman will be gone.....
He is a very good GM. He has a plan to rebuild the farm and so far he's doing a fantastic job. To fire him now would be ridiculous. He has no control over the fact that career all-stars collapse for no reason in the playoffs. He gave this team all it needed and more to win a World Series. The players came up short. Cashman did not.
Say goodbye to Sheffield.
Do not pick up Moose's option (older starters are part of why our team has bogged down)
Do not pick up Wright's option (wonder who in the organization will admit signing Jaret was THEIR call??)
Find a good glove man to play 1st base. Giambi's defense is too costly in terms of runs allowed.
How's this for a trade to bring the team in a more fundamentally sound direction -- A-Rod and cash (maybe 3-4 million a year) to the Angels for Chone Figgins, who becomes the everyday 3rd baseman and slides between Damon and Jeter in the batting order. Derek should easily drive in 110 runs battting third behind them next year.
The karma swirling around A-Rod is just wrong. Let him have fun in Anaheim. The Yankees will win without him.
You cannot trade Alex Rodriguez and money for Chone Figgins. You might as well just take a player you are going waive the next day and use the money on something that might actually be useful.
DWells4prez
10-07-06, 05:49 PM
Wow the best trade scenario would be, Alex Rodriguez to LAD for Chad Billingsley, Andy Laroche and maybe something else...Not only is Billingsley and Laroche studs, but it will clear all our clubhouse tension, put arod in the nl where he can't hurt us, cause we all know he'll obviously hit good without any pressure cause hes a puss. That will give us a great 1-2combo of Hughes/Billingsley in the rotation, they are both top of the line SP STUDS
MWholers
10-07-06, 05:49 PM
Bring back Mark!
RIYankee23
10-07-06, 05:50 PM
Say goodbye to Sheffield.
Do not pick up Moose's option (older starters are part of why our team has bogged down)
Do not pick up Wright's option (wonder who in the organization will admit signing Jaret was THEIR call??)
Find a good glove man to play 1st base. Giambi's defense is too costly in terms of runs allowed.
How's this for a trade to bring the team in a more fundamentally sound direction -- A-Rod and cash (maybe 3-4 million a year) to the Angels for Chone Figgins, who becomes the everyday 3rd baseman and slides between Damon and Jeter in the batting order. Derek should easily drive in 110 runs battting third behind them next year.
The karma swirling around A-Rod is just wrong. Let him have fun in Anaheim. The Yankees will win without him.
I'm on board with most of that, but surely we're getting more than just Figgins for Arod right?
Figgins/Kendrick, Shields/Krod, Weaver/Santana.
That's alittle more like it.
effdamets
10-07-06, 05:50 PM
He is the only person in the organization doing his job
Are you sure? While I believe he has done a great job, George might not.
Signing guys that have a tough time under pressure might be wearing on the boss....
Danny T's Biceps
10-07-06, 05:51 PM
Shhh, be quiet everybody - it's A-Rod at the plate.
cmaff05
10-07-06, 05:51 PM
He is the only person in the organization doing his job
and Mo!
Realistically, any team you trade him to out in the NL west automatically becomes a contender because its such a garbage division anyhow. So he could approve a trade out there. Especially since its as far away from NY as you can get.
Garbage division, heck with the exception of a few teams the NL is subpar(but that's another thread). The AL West is the most realistic spot.
jbauer2485
10-07-06, 05:52 PM
Wow the best trade scenario would be, Alex Rodriguez to LAD for Chad Billingsley, Andy Laroche and maybe something else...Not only is Billingsley and Laroche studs, but it will clear all our clubhouse tension, put arod in the nl where he can't hurt us, cause we all know he'll obviously hit good without any pressure cause hes a puss. That will give us a great 1-2combo of Hughes/Billingsley in the rotation, they are both top of the line SP STUDS
I would not care at all if Arod went to an AL team, he would obviously choke when facing his former team.
Find a good glove man to play 1st base. Giambi's defense is too costly in terms of runs allowed.
Plus the fact giambi is always having some type of minor injury like a hamstring or a knee. He needs to do nothing but DH.
Ive been a very big A-Rod supporter, and I think alot of his problems were listening to the media too much but Im tired of his act. He has all the talent in the world and he is like a deer in the headlights. Hes probably been the best 3rd baseman weve ever had but he is his own worst enemy.
I doubt he would go to the Cubs but I wouldnt be surprised to see him traded to the Dodgers or the Angels.
brosiusbuddy
10-07-06, 05:54 PM
Garbage division, heck with the exception of a few teams the NL is subpar(but that's another thread). The AL West is the most realistic spot.
If possible I think Cashman would try to avoid trading Arod to an AL team so that he didnt hurt the yankees in the future.
Damon might not want to come back. I would want nothing to do with such a sorry bunch.
brosiusbuddy
10-07-06, 05:55 PM
Damon might not want to come back. I would want nothing to do with such a sorry bunch.
I doubt very highly that Damon has a stance of being on the outside looking in. He's as much a part, if not more, of this team as anyone.
indianyanksfan
10-07-06, 05:55 PM
if arod goes to the dodgers for billingsly and laroche, are they ready to contribute next year?
dabomb2045
10-07-06, 05:57 PM
Nobody should wanna be associated with this joke of a team. They should all be embarassed. And if they arent...then there is a problem.
Billingsley projects to be a top of the rotation starter.
Yeah, I guess so. Never a big fan of his control and his mechanics tend to lead to his pitches sometimes lacking life, but yeah, that's the kind of chance I guess you have to take.
indianyanksfan
10-07-06, 05:58 PM
Nobody should wanna be associated with this joke of a team. They should all be embarassed. And if they arent...then there is a problem.
man you should just go there and slap each of them silly! :D
dabomb2045
10-07-06, 05:58 PM
man you should just go there and slap each of them silly! :D
I wish I could. I'd give them all a headache that would last until March.
hellonewman
10-07-06, 05:58 PM
Should be gone but probably won't:
Torre
A-Rod
Johnson
Myers
Pavano
Will be gone:
Sheffield
Bernie
Wright
Lidle
Villone
Fasano
Mussina will be gone if he drives a hard bargain on the money, but his past comments about wanting to stay in the Northeast indicate he may not.
Of course the wild card here is how much fury does Steinbrenner have left? Hard to say given his health situation.
indianyanksfan
10-07-06, 05:59 PM
Yeah, I guess so. Never a big fan of his control and his mechanics tend to lead to his pitches sometimes lacking life, but yeah, that's the kind of chance I guess you have to take.
question is will he be ready next year?
and who is this laroche guy in lad system?
BroadwayBomber55
10-07-06, 05:59 PM
I wish I could. I'd give them all a headache that would last until March.
Use a leather strap.
indianyanksfan
10-07-06, 06:00 PM
I wish I could. I'd give them all a headache that would last until March.
maybe you can sneak past security! :D
if arod goes to the dodgers for billingsly and laroche, are they ready to contribute next year?
I don't think you can get both, but sure, they can play in the majors next year with the normal caveats...in other words, it may not always be pretty.
indianyanksfan
10-07-06, 06:00 PM
Should be gone but probably won't:
Torre
A-Rod
Johnson
Myers
Pavano
Will be gone:
Sheffield
Wright
Lidle
Villone
Fasano
Mussina will be gone if he drives a hard bargain on the money, but his past comments about wanting to stay in the Northeast indicate he may not.
Of course the wild card here is how much fury does Steinbrenner have left? Hard to say given his health situation.
if cash is as smart as we feel he is...
give pretty much everyone on that list the boot!
Has anyone noticed that Don Mattingly is pure bad luck in human form? <_<
wileedog
10-07-06, 06:01 PM
If possible I think Cashman would try to avoid trading Arod to an AL team so that he didnt hurt the yankees in the future.
Unless we play them in the post-season :P
indianyanksfan
10-07-06, 06:01 PM
I don't think you can get both, but sure, they can play in the majors next year with the normal caveats...in other words, it may not always be pretty.
and this PS has been pretty?
we have enough talent that we can develop a few more rooks next year.
Has anyone noticed that Don Mattingly is pure bad luck in human form? <_<
That's just not right. He was't around in 2001 and 2002 so that blows your theory of Donnie being bad luck.
ColombiaYanksFan
10-07-06, 06:04 PM
As long as A-Rod is gone I'm happy.
Even if the Yankees have to eat up 75% of his salary.
SomewhereOnlyWeKnow
10-07-06, 06:04 PM
Everyone. Seems like every year is a disappointment. Quite frankly, I don't understand how there's been such a drought since 2000.
ericns1
10-07-06, 06:04 PM
I don't think Donnike was here in 03 either -
As for those not coming back
Sheff
Bernie
Cairo
Moose if he doesn't accept a lower salary
Lidle
Farns?
Villone
A-Rod
a lot of fans won't come back
New York has little patience for chokers.
and this PS has been pretty?
we have enough talent that we can develop a few more rooks next year.
Regardless of what you or I think, your basic Yankee fan isn't patient enough to deal with the inherent struggles that young players tend to go through. The guys who have stuck in recent years are the guys who started on a hot streak when they got called up the final time, and they got a longer leash because injuries kept them in the lineup.
dabomb2045
10-07-06, 06:06 PM
Everyone. Seems like every year is a disappointment. Quite frankly, I don't understand how there's been such a drought since 2000.
Cuz this team is full of guys who choke in the playoffs
nyyfan11111
10-07-06, 06:06 PM
I am disgusted at this team..it blows my ................ing mind they would do this bad
YankeePride1967
10-07-06, 06:06 PM
Are you sure? While I believe he has done a great job, George might not.
Signing guys that have a tough time under pressure might be wearing on the boss....
Brian was only clearly in charge for this year. If they go the scapegoat route it will be Joe.
yank4life2005
10-07-06, 06:07 PM
I'm on board with most of that, but surely we're getting more than just Figgins for Arod right?
Figgins/Kendrick, Shields/Krod, Weaver/Santana.
That's alittle more like it.
Kendrick, Shields and Santana would be great with NY kicking in 5MM a season and then Cano slides to 3B and Kendrick at 2B.
With that being said...I am sure that Aramis Ramirez will opt-out of his deal in Chicago and sign with the Angels.
hellonewman
10-07-06, 06:07 PM
if cash is as smart as we feel he is...
give pretty much everyone on that list the boot!My fear is, if Steinbrenner still has enough piss and vinegar left in him, that Cashman may pay for this, then the Tampa boys come back in and everything goes to hell for years to come.
Hopefully Cashman quickly cuts bait on Torre, to whom he has been overly deferential in the past, and that may (I hope) appease Steinbrenner.
Regardless of what you or I think, your basic Yankee fan isn't patient enough to deal with the inherent struggles that young players tend to go through. The guys who have stuck in recent years are the guys who started on a hot streak when they got called up the final time, and they got a longer leash because injuries kept them in the lineup.Truthfully I liked this Yankee team much better when Matsui/Sheff were out of the line-up.
I hope:
Torre
Sheffield
Bernie
RJ
Wright
Will not go:
A-Rod
Mussina
indianyanksfan
10-07-06, 06:08 PM
Kendrick, Shields and Santana would be great with NY kicking in 5MM a season and then Cano slides to 3B and Kendrick at 2B.
With that being said...I am sure that Aramis Ramirez will opt-out of his deal in Chicago and sign with the Angels.
arod to the cubs for zambrano, aramis, and a prospect?
indianyanksfan
10-07-06, 06:09 PM
Truthfully I liked this Yankee team much better when Matsui/Sheff were out of the line-up.
ME TOO...:(
bxbomber328
10-07-06, 06:09 PM
What about Clemens? I WANT CLEMENS BACK! IS First, let me make my points here.
-Torre needs to be gone.
-Sheffield goes somewhere else.
-AROD(even though I've been a big supporter of his) is not helping the team at all. He would be better off somewhere else. (don't you think we could get Clemens or Pettitte or some really good pitcher?)
-MUSSINA- He did not come up big for us in Game 2. Its pretty dissapointing that WANG (out of all people) has the lowest ERA of the Yankee starters in the 2006 playoffs. Don't pick up Mussina's contract.
-
arod to the cubs for zambrano, aramis, and a prospect?
Not in our wildest dreams.......
hellonewman
10-07-06, 06:10 PM
Truthfully I liked this Yankee team much better when Matsui/Sheff were out of the line-up.
:-werd-:
Yankee26t
10-07-06, 06:10 PM
Fire Torre... his lax approach hasnt worked for 7 years now... it only worked in the beginning because of luck and players bailing out his bad decisions...
I havnt read the first 7 pages... but according to me, the following should go
Mussina ( when you have a 3-1 lead after 5 innings in a playoff game at home, there is no excuse to giving the lead away)
Sheff
Bernie
Lidle
Fassano
Philips
Wilson
People who have no business being on this team
A-rod
Randy ( i appreciate the effort yesterday, but 5IP, 5ER isnt good)
Wright
Myers
Villone
DaYanks24
10-07-06, 06:11 PM
Torre.
Farnsworthless.
Arod.
Villone.
Bernie.
Sheff.
Kendrick, Shields and Santana would be great with NY kicking in 5MM a season and then Cano slides to 3B and Kendrick at 2B.
With that being said...I am sure that Aramis Ramirez will opt-out of his deal in Chicago and sign with the Angels.
Cano doesn't have the arm to play on the left side.
There is no way that the Angels trade three parts of their major league roster, including 2 guys that young, for Alex Rodriguez. Remember, the Yankees got ARod for Soriano coming off a postseason that saw his value at its lowest in pinstripes and a very young SS prospect known for his glove. ARod's value has not gone up. I can't see how the Yankees get more than what they gave up, as you are suggesting.
TheManKnownAsMecca
10-07-06, 06:12 PM
Torre
Fasano
Giambi
A-Rod
Sheffield
Johnson
Wright
Pavano
Cairo
Get the best ace we can find and let the kids fill the rest of the roster.
I agree with most of this Bub. No one will want Pavano so we will keep him and hopefully he'll do well for us. I would love to trade away A-Rod, I like him but the fans expected him to be Superman. He has not performed in the post-season though so I hope we trade him away for a great SP. In a perfect world, Aramis Ramirez will decline his option and he can become the Yankees newest experiment. Also add Bernie Williams to that list.
ThePost
10-07-06, 06:12 PM
Get rid of Torre.
Send A-rod to a shrink.
Get some f'ing pitching.
Wow. Such animus.
How are we going to replace A-Rod's .300-35-120 in the lineup?
effdamets
10-07-06, 06:12 PM
Brian was only clearly in charge for this year. If they go the scapegoat route it will be Joe.
Well, I hope that George shares your sentiments....
montrealer
10-07-06, 06:13 PM
This isn`t a good time for this thread..........in few days when everybody is thru venting I`m pretty sure only a couple or three changes at most.Torre isn`t going to give away 6 mil ......that`s human nature. A-Rod will still be here. Sheff,and some of the dead weight on this pitching staff are gone.
b_joseph
10-07-06, 06:13 PM
Wow. Such animus.
How are we going to replace A-Rod's .300-35-120 in the lineup?
I dont want him to go..but maybe he could be replaced by better pitching.
I mean.. nobody in the Tigers line-up puts up those numbers.
DJeter125
10-07-06, 06:13 PM
I am disgusted at this team..it blows my ................ing mind they would do this bad
Agree 100%. I just don't understand how a team that seemed to be playing so smoothly could just fall apart. Hopefully at the very least they don't bring back Sheffield and Bernie and can find a way to pay off Johnson and void Pavano's contract.
What about Clemens? I WANT CLEMENS BACK! IS First, let me make my points here.
-Torre needs to be gone.
-Sheffield goes somewhere else.
-AROD(even though I've been a big supporter of his) is not helping the team at all. He would be better off somewhere else. (don't you think we could get Clemens or Pettitte or some really good pitcher?)
-MUSSINA- He did not come up big for us in Game 2. Its pretty dissapointing that WANG (out of all people) has the lowest ERA of the Yankee starters in the 2006 playoffs. Don't pick up Mussina's contract.
-Forget Clemens. The Yankees should learn their lesson about getting old veteran 40 year-old pitchers.
hobokenfish
10-07-06, 06:15 PM
Wow. Such animus.
How are we going to replace A-Rod's .300-35-120 in the lineup?
And that has helped us in the postseason how? We wouldn't need that type of production if we had a good pitching staff. I would sacrifice some of those numbers if we could get a good starter and maybe a reliever. Plus, I'm sure this will start an argument, but A-Rod compiles fantasy numbers but doesn't necessarilly produce in big situations. We survived pretty well without those gaudy numbers before he got here, so I am sure there is a way to survive without them next season.
I dont want him to go..but maybe he could be replaced by better pitching.
I mean.. nobody in the Tigers line-up puts up those numbers.You're all talking about letting Sheff go and letting A-Rod be traded. We need his offense, TBH. Also, he did pretty well in the regular season this year. You're not going to replace that production.
Remember, you need to WIN in the REGULAR season to get to the post-season.
Also, Cashman is NOT going to trade A-Rod. The only way he gets traded is if Steinbrenner orders it.
Yankees1962
10-07-06, 06:15 PM
This isn`t a good time for this thread..........in few days when everybody is thru venting I`m pretty sure only a couple or three changes at most.Torre isn`t going to give away 6 mil ......that`s human nature. A-Rod will still be here. Sheff,and some of the dead weight on this pitching staff are gone.
Yes, indeed, the emotions are running high. In the next four weeks, we'll see how much power Cashman really has in this organization. This offseason will be another opportunity for him to right some wrongs that both, the Tampa Mafia and he committed over the last few years.
And that has helped us in the postseason how? We wouldn't need that type of production if we had a good pitching staff. I would sacrifice some of those numbers if we could get a good starter and maybe a reliever. Plus, I'm sure this will start an argument, but A-Rod compiles fantasy numbers but doesn't necessarilly produce in big situations. We survived pretty well without those gaudy numbers before he got here, so I am sure there is a way to survive without them next season.How has Cano's .000 helped us? How was Sheff's .200 helped us? How has Damon's .200 helped us?
Remember, this IS a team game and A-Rod isn't the ONLY one that hasnt performed.
Sure, get pitching, obviously, but you'd be downright foolish to trade A-Rod.
arod to the cubs for zambrano, aramis, and a prospect?
and why exactly would the cubs do that?
I think that his value and and people's respect for him are at the lowest level right now.
that being said, i wouldnt mind at all if we traded him and got one well established player and couple of high prospects in return (probably.. right now , i am more inclined to make comments out of frustration and less on logic)
b_joseph
10-07-06, 06:19 PM
You're all talking about letting Sheff go and letting A-Rod be traded. We need his offense, TBH. Also, he did pretty well in the regular season this year. You're not going to replace that production.
Remember, you need to WIN in the REGULAR season to get to the post-season.
Also, Cashman is NOT going to trade A-Rod. The only way he gets traded is if Steinbrenner orders it.
Well Sheff wasnt around all year...
We need offense..but I'd rather have great pitching and average offense, then have Great offense and average pitching.
A-Rod is the least of our problems right now.
We need to get rid of RJ and Giambi and Wright.
SportzStooge007
10-07-06, 06:20 PM
The Yankees are going to be rebuilding next season.
Not necesarily losing, but things are going to be shaken up.
Alex Rodriguez might be gone if a good enough offer is made, Mike Mussina isn't coming back if he's too expensive, Gary Sheffield might come back as a first basemen, but it's unlikely right now, Bernie Williams isn't getting resigned and neither is Cory Lidle. Jaret Wright and Carl Pavano is as good as gone.
Perhaps, Sheffield can hang on to play thirdbase and Rodriguez leaves.
If the Yankees can get Lou Pinella, Torre is out of here.
indianyanksfan
10-07-06, 06:20 PM
and why exactly would the cubs do that?
I think that his value and and people's respect for him are at the lowest level right now.
that being said, i wouldnt mind at all if we traded him and got one well established player and couple of high prospects in return (probably.. right now , i am more inclined to make comments out of frustration and less on logic)
man it's not even my idea...someone about 1000 pages ago came up w/ it
hobokenfish
10-07-06, 06:21 PM
How has Cano's .000 helped us? How was Sheff's .200 helped us? How has Damon's .200 helped us?
Remember, this IS a team game and A-Rod isn't the ONLY one that hasnt performed.
Sure, get pitching, obviously, but you'd be downright foolish to trade A-Rod.
Sheffield won't be back either. And although Damon only hit .200, he could have had a game winning homer if Moose hadn't pissed it away. That's kind of what I mean -- you can be a contributor without putting up gaudy fantasy numbers.
A-Rod is a very valuable trade commodity and perhaps could bring us some much needed pitching. Either way, the formula hasn't worked the last three seasons and A-Rod is miserable here (wheter he admits it or not).
RIYankee23
10-07-06, 06:21 PM
Wow. Such animus.
How are we going to replace A-Rod's .300-35-120 in the lineup?
Dunno but perhaps we can find a way to replace his .071, 0HR, 0RBI in the ALDS and 4 for his last 49 in the playoffs.
The .259, 13 errors, and 81 K's in 80 games from June to August didn't help much either, especially when that was when we were trailing Boston and had a rash of injuries.
yank4life2005
10-07-06, 06:23 PM
Cano doesn't have the arm to play on the left side.
There is no way that the Angels trade three parts of their major league roster, including 2 guys that young, for Alex Rodriguez. Remember, the Yankees got ARod for Soriano coming off a postseason that saw his value at its lowest in pinstripes and a very young SS prospect known for his glove. ARod's value has not gone up. I can't see how the Yankees get more than what they gave up, as you are suggesting.
Cano was projected to move to 3B by scouts since they felt he didn't the range to play 2B. He has a great arm from what I have seen on relay throws.
As far as the Soriano for A-Rod deal, the Yankees took on alot of money on that contract so they gave up less to get him. Soriano was good and Arias is a top prospect for the Rangers at SS.
Well Sheff wasnt around all year...
We need offense..but I'd rather have great pitching and average offense, then have Great offense and average pitching.
I'd rather have both, and unless we are talking about trades that really do bring back better pitching than is otherwise available on the free agent/international market, then trading for middling pitchers or position players doesn't accomplish anything.
Dunno but perhaps we can find a way to replace his .071, 0HR, 0RBI in the ALDS and 4 for his last 49 in the playoffs.
The .259, 13 errors, and 81 K's in 80 games from June to August didn't help much either, especially when that was when we were trailing Boston and had a rash of injuries.Right, so we get to the playoffs without his .290-35-120?
man it's not even my idea...someone about 1000 pages ago came up w/ it
sorry man.. just too frustrated to look for the original post, but i was just commenting on the idea...
although, I wouldnt mind seeing A-rod go, he does have a no-trade clause, and he will forever be accepted as a choker and loser (even if he hits 800 HR)if he ever accepted a trade and personally for him, its a terrible idea to bail out of NY
Right, so we get to the playoffs without his .290-35-120?
Probably, we made it by 11 games.
RIYankee23
10-07-06, 06:27 PM
Right, so we get to the playoffs without his .290-35-120?
Perhaps you overlooked my last sentence:
The .259, 13 errors, and 81 K's in 80 games from June to August didn't help much either, especially when that was when we were trailing Boston and had a rash of injuries.
Chairman-of-TheBoard
10-07-06, 06:27 PM
A-Rod, Torre, Wright and Pavano. Please...
Perhaps you overlooked my last sentence:
The .259, 13 errors, and 81 K's in 80 games from June to August didn't help much either, especially when that was when we were trailing Boston and had a rash of injuries.Then let's talk about his May or his September?
How about that?
He's not as streaky as Giambi, that's for sure.
indianyanksfan
10-07-06, 06:28 PM
sorry man.. just too frustrated to look for the original post, but i was just commenting on the idea...
although, I wouldnt mind seeing A-rod go, he does have a no-trade clause, and he will forever be accepted as a choker and loser (even if he hits 800 HR)if he ever accepted a trade and personally for him, its a terrible idea to bail out of NY
it wouldnt be bailing out if the organization put the hold on him to leave...let's face it...i love the guy but we need better pitching than this...
moose and rj are done...hopefully rj will retire like he said he might and moose as much as i love the guy cant help us really...unless he's the no 4 which means we need BETTER pitching.
Here's the biggest reason Torre needs to go:
HE STARTED JARET WRIGHT IN AN ELIMINATION GAME WHILE LEYLAND WAS SMART ENOUGH TO BRING BACK HIS GAME 1 STARTER.
Poor Wang, sitting in NY.
ChewieTobbacca
10-07-06, 06:30 PM
A-Rod's performance can be mitigated if we get good pitching in return, which is our bigger problem
ICEBERG18
10-07-06, 06:30 PM
People talked about our lineup so much they forgot our starting pitching was not that good.
Paul O'Neil looks pissed on the PG.
Cano was projected to move to 3B by scouts since they felt he didn't the range to play 2B. He has a great arm from what I have seen on relay throws.
As far as the Soriano for A-Rod deal, the Yankees took on alot of money on that contract so they gave up less to get him. Soriano was good and Arias is a top prospect for the Rangers at SS.
People talked about Cano moving because they thought he was too thick to stay long term at 2B. 3B was the only option, but it was far from ideal. I just don't think he has the arm to play over there, and you are talking about a major adjustment for a guy who has spent his entire career on the other side of the diamond. It's an adjustment that now would need to happen at the major league level. Beyond that, he's turned out to be at least average at 2B, so I'm not sure why you would screw with him.
Unless the Yankees throw more money on top of what Texas is paying of ARod's deal, the financial situation is exactly the same. Arod makes 25 and you get 9 from the Rangers. How does that change what you get back?
Soriano was a good player, but he was a good player who had just had a horrible postseason, who was just discovered to be substantially older than listed, and who was in line for huge arbitration rewards. Arias has blossomed since the trade. He was not the hitter he was then that he has become and was a throw in known mostly for his glove.
Yankee26t
10-07-06, 06:30 PM
This isn`t a good time for this thread..........in few days when everybody is thru venting I`m pretty sure only a couple or three changes at most.Torre isn`t going to give away 6 mil ......that`s human nature. A-Rod will still be here. Sheff,and some of the dead weight on this pitching staff are gone.
I dont know... we have been blowing it for years now... I recognized that team today... it was a team that just wasnt a team. They look defeated before it was over as they have in the last couple of seasons.
You really cant blame pitching all that much. I will tell you why. If not for Damon's HR... we almost went 3 whole games with no runs... yeah I know we scored late in this one... but thats like throwing a TD with 2 minutes left and you are losing by 31.
We didnt hit. We didnt score. There is absolutely no excuse for that. Yes give Detroit some credit. This lineup should have scored runs in each game.
This team is a failed project.
Darth_Takeo
10-07-06, 06:31 PM
Here's the biggest reason Torre needs to go:
HE STARTED JARET WRIGHT IN AN ELIMINATION GAME WHILE LEYLAND WAS SMART ENOUGH TO BRING BACK HIS GAME 1 STARTER.
Poor Wang, sitting in NY.
Ummm, Nate Robertson started game 1...
hobokenfish
10-07-06, 06:31 PM
Here's the biggest reason Torre needs to go:
HE STARTED JARET WRIGHT IN AN ELIMINATION GAME WHILE LEYLAND WAS SMART ENOUGH TO BRING BACK HIS GAME 1 STARTER.
Poor Wang, sitting in NY.
Huh? I didn't know Nate Robertson and Jeremy Bonderman were the same guy.
But Joe does need to go. And he can take A-Rod and Sheffield with him.
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