View Full Version : Will Randy Johnson Retire after 2006?
matcohen
10-02-06, 01:27 PM
Randy said sometime last year that he would have no interest in being a league average pitcher. Might he retire at the end of the year?
Reasons he would stay
1) He has 280 wins - wuld like to get to 300
2) $16 million
Reasons he wouldn't
1) He has made a ton of money and the additional $16 million net of taxes, agent fees, etc might not change his lifestyle too much.
2) Kids at home
3) Constant pain
4) He is an average pitcher now (he was not last year)
5) Would need 2 more years to reach 300 wins.
I have not read him saying anything about next year - which would not surprise me. He seems the type to want to avoid the media and announcing his retirement would ceratinly create a media frenzy.
If he did plan to retire, my guess is that he would say nothing
until the end of the season and then hold a brief press conference and then disappear.
Obviously, RJ retiring would be a huge boon to the Yanks at this point. They would free up $16 million which would give them flexibility in dealing with their staff next year.
Thoughts?
In Mo I Trust
10-02-06, 01:28 PM
He has 16 million reasons not to.
cmaff05
10-02-06, 01:28 PM
He's getting paid 16 million. Would you leave 16 mill on the table?
spyglass
10-02-06, 01:29 PM
As much as I'm sure we'd all like him to, I sincerely doubt he will.
JeffWeaverFan
10-02-06, 01:32 PM
No chance in hell.
yankeebot
10-02-06, 01:33 PM
Health would be the only reason. If he really does need back surgery this winter that could be a big factor.
LeapsNbounds
10-02-06, 01:33 PM
As much as I'm sure we'd all like him to, I sincerely doubt he will.
It will be interesting, cause off-season surgery might put him off, although I assume he has to have the surgery whether he is back next year or not.
In Mo I Trust
10-02-06, 01:34 PM
Health would be the only reason. If he really does need back surgery this winter that could be a big factor.
I still don't see why he wouldn't collect his check.
YankeePride1967
10-02-06, 01:34 PM
He will be back. If he can't pitch he will go on the DL and hopefully the Yanks have him insured.
YankeePride1967
10-02-06, 01:35 PM
I still don't see why he wouldn't collect his check.
Look at Albert Belle, he was simply placed on the DL the last 4 years of his career. RJ could do the same should that occur. He's getting his money one way or another.
matcohen
10-02-06, 01:35 PM
There was a quote out there from him that said he would retire if he was an average pitcher. Something to the effect that he had no interest in being a league average pitcher.
Would I miss out on $16 million? No, but I don't have around $100 in the bank like he does. If I did and was in constant pain, I might retire.
YankeePride1967
10-02-06, 01:36 PM
There was a quote out there from him that said he would retire if he was an average pitcher. Something to the effect that he had no interest in being a league average pitcher.
Would I miss out on $16 million? No, but I don't have around $100 in the bank like he does. If I did and was in constant pain, I might retire.
I won't believe it unless it actually happens.
matcohen
10-02-06, 01:37 PM
Look at Albert Belle, he was simply placed on the DL the last 4 years of his career. RJ could do the same should that occur. He's getting his money one way or another.
He doesn't seem the type to go on the DL if he can pitch, which he can.
He is certainly an odd guy but honorable. He guts out every start and doesn't complain. I can't see him malingering to get on the DL to collect a check.
Belle was actually really badly hurt as you'll reacall.
cmaff05
10-02-06, 01:38 PM
If Randy is collecting a paycheck and he is able to walk and throw, he's pitching for the Yankees. He's a stand-up who has always prided himself on making most of his starts.
YankeePride1967
10-02-06, 01:38 PM
He doesn't seem the type to go on the DL if he can pitch, which he can.
He is certainly an odd guy but honorable. He guts out every start and doesn't complain. I can't see him malingering to get on the DL to collect a check.
Belle was actually really badly hurt as you'll reacall.
He was, and if RJ is really hurt as well I believe he will go on the DL and take the money. I am skeptical when talking about "honor and pride" over a lot of money. It will have to happen for me to believe it.
yankeebot
10-02-06, 01:39 PM
I still don't see why he wouldn't collect his check. I just cannot see him malingering if he can't pitch. He seems to have more integrity than that but I guess there is no telling what $16M will make you do.
matcohen
10-02-06, 01:40 PM
He was, and if RJ is really hurt as well I believe he will go on the DL and take the money. I am skeptical when talking about "honor and pride" over a lot of money. It will have to happen for me to believe it.
He is hurt but not so badly that he can't pitch.
He is just old and has lost a couple of miles on his FB and slider and can't locate consistently any more.
In Mo I Trust
10-02-06, 01:43 PM
I just cannot see him malingering if he can't pitch. He seems to have more integrity than that but I guess there is no telling what $16M will make you do.
I don't think it is a matter of integrity, and I doubt RJ will either. He will likely think he has earned this contract and has given a lot of his body to the game. I can't think of a player ever not taking any sum of money, let alone a huge sum like this, because they were hurt.
I just hope he stays away from Pavano. He might give RJ ideas on how to get paid without having to perform.:D
YankeePride1967
10-02-06, 01:44 PM
He is hurt but not so badly that he can't pitch.
He is just old and has lost a couple of miles on his FB and slider and can't locate consistently any more.
Well then he will be a very overpriced number 3-4 starter for us next year. I don't think it's imossible he'd retire, I think it would be extremely shocking if he did. I can't think of too many people who walked away from that much money. He could prove me wrong, but I wonder how much of this is really hopeful thinking to clear money and a spot for another pitcher rather than actual predicting because it certainly would benefit us if he did retire.
cmaff05
10-02-06, 01:45 PM
I don't think it is a matter of integrity, and I doubt RJ will either. He will likely think he has earned this contract and has given a lot of his body to the game. I can't think of a player ever not taking any sum of money, let alone a huge sum like this, because they were hurt.
Do you honestly see Johnson, if he can pitch (I'm not say effectively, but just pitching) just collecting his paycheck without pitching? I can't.. Randy is no Pavano.
keithf1
10-02-06, 01:45 PM
It would be nice if he did.
DaYanks24
10-02-06, 01:46 PM
I really wish he would retire. I am tired of the uncertainty surrounding his starts- will we get good Randy, or will we get the very bad Randy?
matcohen
10-02-06, 01:49 PM
Well then he will be a very overpriced number 3-4 starter for us next year. I don't think it's imossible he'd retire, I think it would be extremely shocking if he did. I can't think of too many people who walked away from that much money. He could prove me wrong, but I wonder how much of this is really hopeful thinking to clear money and a spot for another pitcher rather than actual predicting because it certainly would benefit us if he did retire.
This thread doen't clear any salary.
I am just asking bc I think that given his prior staement, it is a legitimate question with huge implications for the Yanks offseason plans.
In Mo I Trust
10-02-06, 01:49 PM
Do you honestly see Johnson, if he can pitch (I'm not say effectively, but just pitching) just collecting his paycheck without pitching? I can't.. Randy is no Pavano.
No, I think Randy will make his starts next year. At this point he is just an inconsistent innings eater. He has a bad back, there is always the chance that it goes and his career is over. He gets his money either way.
YankeePride1967
10-02-06, 01:51 PM
This thread doen't clear any salary.
I am just asking bc I think that given his prior staement, it is a legitimate question with huge implications for the Yanks offseason plans.
him retiring would clear $16 million dollars which this thread seems to be wishing for. Nothing wrong with posting it, but I think most fans (myself included) wish he would retire so we can use that money elsewhere. But again, I would be extremely shocked if he did.
I know this thread doesn't clear any salary and how would anyone construe it could? LOL
i doubt it, plus its not completely impossible he could win 20 games, and retire with exactly 300 wins after next year
you can pitch with a 4.00 era in new york and still have a shot at 20 wins
PeteRFNY
10-02-06, 02:08 PM
Randy has had streaks of brilliance and runs of good pitching surrounded by starts where he gets slapped all over the place. I'm thinking the bad stretches are probably directly tied to his back being a factor. Even with all that, he HAS pitched decently for the Yankees (we're not exactly talking about Jeff Weaver here), although not to the levels he was expected to.
As long as he can keep his back in check and be good for 10-15 wins a year, why not let the guy pitch? Maybe the Yankees can stretch him out a little bit, extra rest here and there. RJ can still dominate when he feels good. There's something to be said for that.
cupcollector99
10-02-06, 02:15 PM
If he has a serious, cronic condition, I hope he doesn't jerk the Yankees around next year. I hope he'll retire on his own terms and take care of his health so he can live as comfortably as possible.
All I'm really worried about is his next start..
flymick24
10-02-06, 02:25 PM
he wants 300 wins
matcohen
10-02-06, 02:30 PM
Randy has had streaks of brilliance and runs of good pitching surrounded by starts where he gets slapped all over the place. I'm thinking the bad stretches are probably directly tied to his back being a factor. Even with all that, he HAS pitched decently for the Yankees (we're not exactly talking about Jeff Weaver here), although not to the levels he was expected to.
As long as he can keep his back in check and be good for 10-15 wins a year, why not let the guy pitch? Maybe the Yankees can stretch him out a little bit, extra rest here and there. RJ can still dominate when he feels good. There's something to be said for that.
Cuz for 16mm you can get a guy who will give you a 3.80 ERA instead of 5.00.
stephsamps
10-02-06, 02:35 PM
Given his past quotes, I think that Randy's legacy would mean more to him than his paycheck. If he feels healthy enough to play next season, I think he will (those 300 wins on the horizon). If he doesn't, I don't see him going out there and embarassing himself to end his career.
BillBuckner
10-02-06, 02:37 PM
I certainly hope so.
he wants 300 wins
factor in 16 million other reasons, factor in he probably doesn't wish to end his days as a basket case, so health issues will count for something. Lots to factor in. Maybe even he won't know for sure until spring training comes around.
flymick24
10-02-06, 02:40 PM
at this point in his career, i think the one thing that means most to him is the wins. he's already got a ring, and he's made more than enough money.
JerkStore
10-02-06, 02:41 PM
Nah, he won't retire. 16 mil is alot to pass up. Let's just get through next year and hope he doesn't kill us too bad. After that, let some other team worry about what to do with him if he wants to stick around and embarrass himself further.
JeterRodriguezSheff
10-02-06, 02:58 PM
Heres my opinion, if the Yankees win the WS, I think Johnson will call it a career and go out on a high note. If not then he is going to stay around for 300 wins. Johnson is different from most people imo. Money will be a factor no doubt, but I think it will take a back seat to his pride.
35Knucklecurve
10-02-06, 03:10 PM
If Randy is collecting a paycheck and he is able to walk and throw, he's pitching for the Yankees. He's a stand-up who has always prided himself on making most of his starts.
I agree. RJ doesn't seem to be the type to "mail it in" or catch the Pavono-itis bug. Yes, 16M is a lot of money, but I think (hope) he has more pride in his performance than his bank account.
cmaff05
10-02-06, 03:42 PM
I'm sure it annoys Randy to no end that he could possibly end his career like this. But he's already accomplished so much, he's a first ballot HOF lock, and he wants to get 300 wins. He also wants to win another WS ring. So I don't think he would mail it in at all. He's just old and is dealing with constant back pain. He's still as competitve as ever - it's just that his age has finally catched up to him.
4degrees
10-02-06, 03:54 PM
Money is important, but he does consider other things. Keep in mind Houston offered him more money than Arizona, but he wanted to go home.
I wish there was a way to buy him out. The PA would never allow it, but I think if he was in chronic pain but not enough to be disabled, the Yankees offered him $10M to go away, he might jump at it.
cmaff05
10-02-06, 03:56 PM
You mean $10 mill in addition to the 16 million we are paying him now? Why not just let him pitch for us. I mean, he's going to give us 200 innings next year most likely.
Soriambi
10-02-06, 04:00 PM
I think that he will probably stay, and I think that it is probably a good thing for the Yankees if he does (other than the money.) I think that having him on the roster makes the team stronger than it would be without him.
Dynasties R Forever
10-02-06, 04:04 PM
he wants 300 wins
He'll need two years to get them. He just may decide to pass on that. He doesn't need it for the HoF.
Hitman23
10-02-06, 04:17 PM
As much as I'm sure we'd all like him to, I sincerely doubt he will.we'd all like him to?? :roflmao:
speak for yourself. I'd love it if he retired.
spyglass
10-02-06, 04:23 PM
we'd all like him to?? :roflmao:
speak for yourself. I'd love it if he retired.
That's what I meant. That we'd all like him to retire :P
Hitman23
10-02-06, 04:25 PM
That's what I meant. That we'd all like him to retire :Poh!!!! :lol: that's my bad bro. :cool:
You have a free burn pass. take a shot anytime you want.
Sillycon
10-02-06, 06:49 PM
I'd think he'll like to go out on a high note... If the Yankees win the World Series and RJ was a major contributor to them winning, he'll probably think long and hard about it.
cmaff05
10-02-06, 06:52 PM
I'd think he'll like to go out on a high note... If the Yankees win the World Series and RJ was a major contributor to them winning, he'll probably think long and hard about it.
Randy will go on a high note by collecting 16 million and trying to win another World Series (if we win this year).
yanksphan
10-02-06, 08:29 PM
Kevin Brown stuck around in 2004....I can't see RJ calling it quits either.
No way and I wouldn't either.
GregPolo
10-02-06, 08:55 PM
Kevin Brown stuck around in 2004....I can't see RJ calling it quits either.
Come on, RJ is a bit classier than Kevin Brown ever was. But unfortunately I can't see Randy walking away from 16 million either. Hopefully we win the WS this year and Randy can ride off into the HOF in 2011, and we'll be able to spend the $$$ on some young SP that will energize the rotation for years to come. :D :D :D
He pitches for the Yanks next year - but where does he pitch in 2008? He isn't winning 20 games next year - if he does, it's a miracle. He could still get 15, which would leave him 5 short - but he will be a 45 year old pitcher in 2008, no?
yanksphan
10-02-06, 09:09 PM
Come on, RJ is a bit classier than Kevin Brown ever was.
How so?
I always wonder how fans' draw up their opinions of a players' personality.
GregPolo
10-02-06, 09:23 PM
How so?
I always wonder how fans' draw up their opinions of a players' personality.
Keving Brown always had a temper. Remember the water cooler incident where he broke his hand? I realize that RJ is tempermental; you can see that on the mound when he isn't in command of his pitches. But you could read Brown like a cheap novel. If he had good stuff he was over-confident and cocky. If he didn't have his good stufff, you could see him steaming over like a cheap pressure cooker.
RJ, might not be the most personable guy in the world, but in comparison to Kevin Brown, RJ is Dale Carnige Jr. (author of, How to win Friends and Influence People).
yanksphan
10-02-06, 09:32 PM
Keving Brown always had a temper. Remember the water cooler incident where he broke his hand? I realize that RJ is tempermental; you can see that on the mound when he isn't in command of his pitches. But you could read Brown like a cheap novel. If he had good stuff he was over-confident and cocky. If he didn't have his good stufff, you could see him steaming over like a cheap pressure cooker.
RJ, might not be the most personable guy in the world, but in comparison to Kevin Brown, RJ is Dale Carnige Jr. (author of, How to win Friends and Influence People).
Duke Castiglione says hi. :lol:
KB was a gamer. One of the best at his craft during his prime. I don't think it's fair to judge a guy by his immediate reaction to failure.
Paul O'Neill had his fair share if water cooler brawls, and nobody questions his class.
GregPolo
10-02-06, 10:09 PM
Duke Castiglione says hi. :lol:
KB was a gamer. One of the best at his craft during his prime. I don't think it's fair to judge a guy by his immediate reaction to failure.
Paul O'Neill had his fair share if water cooler brawls, and nobody questions his class.
lol If you liked KB, more power to ya! I never really cared for him. I guess you got to see him in his prime on the West Coast. I never thought he lived up to the hype once he was in pinstripes. As for O'Neill, you got me there, he did shatter more than his share of coolers :) .
yanksphan
10-02-06, 10:33 PM
lol If you liked KB, more power to ya! I never really cared for him. I guess you got to see him in his prime on the West Coast. I never thought he lived up to the hype once he was in pinstripes. As for O'Neill, you got me there, he did shatter more than his share of coolers :) .
No doubt we got the wrong side of Brown. But in his prime, there weren't many better.
Funny thing? His best season was on your side of the country!
1996 - Florida Marlins, 17-11
233IP 5CG 3SHO 1.89ERA .94WHIP 214ERA+
2nd in Cy to Smoltz
at 31 years old!
Some nice work after that too. Check it out sometime!
http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/brownke01.shtml
Bob Saccomano
10-02-06, 11:19 PM
I honestly doubt it. Even if this season ends in the best fashion, with a World Series ring to add to his collection, he'll think that he still has something left.
300 Wins is out of reach for next season, but I think I recall a recent interview where he stated that he would reach 300.
He is also only 60 strikeouts behind Clemens for #2 all time. If Clemens doesn't come back, Randy passes him by then end of June (assuming he doesn't have off season back surgery).
Some people think staying ahead of Randy was at least part of the reason Roger came back, but I'm not sure Roger does it again.
So, his goal of 300 wins, and a pretty easy shot at #2 all time in Ks means he's coming back.
noneckwilliams
10-03-06, 07:28 AM
Does anyone here think that if the NYY had offered to extend RJ only one year that RJ would have nixed the deal w/ the DBags? God, the Yankees FO had their collective heads up their collective arses in the winter 04-05.
Anyway I hope RJ comes back. He can still contribute and although he's not Mr Sunshine from what I can tell he hasn't been a malevolent presence in the clubhouse.
Crow216
10-03-06, 08:31 AM
I don't think it makes too much sense for him to retire......Either he's unhealthy and doesn't pitch a full season but still gets paid or.....he's healthy and has a chance at 300 wins.
JavyVazquezIsSick
10-03-06, 11:07 AM
He said he would if he didn't live up to his standards, so I believe him...
Shaun4013
10-03-06, 11:11 AM
I do not think so. 300 wins is enough reason to stick around another year or two. Will he be great? Doubtful.
Lifelong Fan
10-03-06, 11:19 AM
It will take 300 wins to guarantee the HOF. I say he stays. He will work out the back issues. He's a winner, if he is 14 and 8 in 2007 we'll have another Championship. 2008 is a bigger question mark for us/him. 20 wins a year use to be the standard of excellence but can't be the expectation of your top starter anymore.
keithf1
10-03-06, 11:21 AM
It will take 300 wins to guarantee the HOF. I say he stays. He will work out the back issues. He's a winner, if he is 14 and 8 in 2007 we'll have another Championship. 2008 is a bigger question mark for us/him. 20 wins a year use to be the standard of excellence but can't be the expectation of your top starter anymore.
No way. He's guaranteed the HOF right now.
Snatch Catch
10-03-06, 11:25 AM
Regardless of what he's making, replacing 200 IP in the rotation is difficult and costly.
montyque
10-03-06, 11:27 AM
No way. He's guaranteed the HOF right now.
He would have to become a terrorist in order to avoid the HOF. He's an unquestionable 1st ballot landslide.
matcohen
10-03-06, 11:36 AM
Regardless of what he's making, replacing 200 IP in the rotation is difficult and costly.
It would cost less than $16mm to get 200 innings with a lower ERA
Schmidt
Zito
can each give you 200 innings.
Zito will be 14-16
Schmidt 12-13
Heck you could get a 5 ERA out of some combo of RAsner and KArstens in all likelihood for under a million.
Snatch Catch
10-03-06, 11:38 AM
It would cost less than $16mm to get 200 innings with a lower ERA
Schmidt
Zito
can each give you 200 innings.
Zito will be 14-16
Schmidt 12-13
You're forgetting something.
Heck you could get a 5 ERA out of some combo of RAsner and KArstens in all likelihood for under a million.
You want to wager that Karstens and Rasner will give you 200 innings? I'm not saying it's a bad choice, I just don't think it's even close to a lock. Not even remotely close.
YankeePride1967
10-03-06, 11:39 AM
It will take 300 wins to guarantee the HOF. I say he stays. He will work out the back issues. He's a winner, if he is 14 and 8 in 2007 we'll have another Championship. 2008 is a bigger question mark for us/him. 20 wins a year use to be the standard of excellence but can't be the expectation of your top starter anymore.
He had his HOF plaque guaranteed when he was still in Arizona.
Bob Saccomano
10-03-06, 11:45 AM
It will take 300 wins to guarantee the HOF. I say he stays. He will work out the back issues. He's a winner, if he is 14 and 8 in 2007 we'll have another Championship. 2008 is a bigger question mark for us/him. 20 wins a year use to be the standard of excellence but can't be the expectation of your top starter anymore.
How would he not be in the HOF already? 300 wins is icing in the cake. I think his third all-time 4500 or so strikeouts are already guarantee HOF.
Lifelong Fan
10-03-06, 11:48 AM
Seems like a couple of years back we gave up on a guy named Clemens. I still say bring Johnson back - I'm willing to take the gamble, like it has been said, 200+ innings and a win-loss record considerably above .500 would be great. We don't need him to lead the staff.
Lifelong Fan
10-03-06, 11:59 AM
Okay, I blew it. Randy is a sure Hall of Famer. At least I have a few guys responding to me. I think the Cy Youngs and his winning percentage are also keys to his [U]guaranteed ticket to Cooperstown. Go, Randy! I hope before the season is over you win at least 3 playoff games and write your own ticket back with the Yankess in 2007.
Pinstripedbass
10-03-06, 12:04 PM
The only way he retires is if he's physically unable to pitch. He won't leave $16M on the table.
matcohen
10-03-06, 12:17 PM
You want to wager that Karstens and Rasner will give you 200 innings? I'm not saying it's a bad choice, I just don't think it's even close to a lock. Not even remotely close.
Oh, they would. They can give you an average of 6 innings per start - that's all you need. Have one in he pen for the days the other gets knocked out early. Either is a decent long relief candidate.
I'm not saying it's a good choice - I don't think their ERA would be much higher than 5. My guess is around 5.
Snatch Catch
10-03-06, 01:17 PM
Oh, they would. They can give you an average of 6 innings per start - that's all you need. Have one in he pen for the days the other gets knocked out early. Either is a decent long relief candidate.
I'm not saying it's a good choice - I don't think their ERA would be much higher than 5. My guess is around 5.
You're counting on a 6 inning average from Rasner and/or Karstens over a full season?
stephsamps
10-03-06, 01:21 PM
It will take 300 wins to guarantee the HOF. I say he stays. He will work out the back issues. He's a winner, if he is 14 and 8 in 2007 we'll have another Championship. 2008 is a bigger question mark for us/him. 20 wins a year use to be the standard of excellence but can't be the expectation of your top starter anymore.
Johnson and Glavine are the last two pitchers who have a shot at 300 wins. In the next generation of pitchers, it will be very unlikely for anyone to reach that plateau again.
Johnson and Glavine are the last two pitchers who have a shot at 300 wins. In the next generation of pitchers, it will be very unlikely for anyone to reach that plateau again.
Totally agree. In a sense I'd like RJ to get there first, but OTOH it would be cool to be the *last* person to ever do it.
4degrees
10-03-06, 05:25 PM
You mean $10 mill in addition to the 16 million we are paying him now? Why not just let him pitch for us. I mean, he's going to give us 200 innings next year most likely.
Umm, no. that wouldn't make much sense. I mean I wish we could give him $10M in lieu of the $16M not to pitch.
The PA doesn't allow that. The logic is he gets nothing if he retires, he gets $16M if he plays. However, he could be in so much pain, plus the travel and everything else, he may not feel like playing, but would feel obligated due to the money. So as a middle ground, I wish we could buy him off and save $6M.
genius-24
10-03-06, 05:27 PM
Umm, no. that wouldn't make much sense. I mean I wish we could give him $10M in lieu of the $16M not to pitch.
The PA doesn't allow that. The logic is he gets nothing if he retires, he gets $16M if he plays. However, he could be in so much pain, plus the travel and everything else, he may not feel like playing, but would feel obligated due to the money. So as a middle ground, I wish we could buy him off and save $6M.
and who would fill his spot....?
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/01/sports/baseball/01pins.html?ex=1159848000&en=b61afc075947a930&ei=5087%0A
“I’ve pitched through pain and discomfort before,” he said. “I’m 43 years old. I’ve got an arthritic knee that I’ll probably need replaced. I’ve had one back surgery and another one, probably, that I may need. I’m not going to complain about my health. I’m here to pitch in the postseason, and I’ll do whatever I can.”
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-sprandy1002,0,7009192.story?coll=ny-sports-headlines
An MRI revealed Thursday that Johnson has a herniated disc in his lower back that may require offseason surgery, which would mark the second back surgery of his career, and Johnson received an epidural on Friday to help relieve the pain.
He probably needs back surgery and knee replacement. There's a chance he could hang it up with both of those looming. Who knows?
YankeePride1967
10-03-06, 07:29 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/01/sports/baseball/01pins.html?ex=1159848000&en=b61afc075947a930&ei=5087%0A
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-sprandy1002,0,7009192.story?coll=ny-sports-headlines
He probably needs back surgery and knee replacement. There's a chance he could hang it up with both of those looming. Who knows?
This is the one scenario that I could see RJ walk away, not being able to pitch. It would then remain to be seen if he shows up in ST and then gets placed on the DL or unable to play list to collect the money or not.
English Yankee
10-03-06, 07:49 PM
He's back next year unless something falls off.
DontHateOnNumber2
10-04-06, 09:17 AM
If the Yankees win it all I'd be almost positive that he'd retire. I've said it all season long, if the Yankees manage to win the World Series I'd be almost positive that Unit would retire and not surprised if Moose retired as well.
In Mo I Trust
10-04-06, 10:00 AM
If the Yankees win it all I'd be almost positive that he'd retire. I've said it all season long, if the Yankees manage to win the World Series I'd be almost positive that Unit would retire and not surprised if Moose retired as well.
I'd be shocked if Moose retired, he'd be leaving tens of millions of dollars on the table.
35Knucklecurve
10-04-06, 10:51 AM
I'd be shocked if Moose retired, he'd be leaving tens of millions of dollars on the table.
He's not going to retire, regardless of how the post season goes. Sure the money is great, but that's not what drives him.
I'd love for RJ to get 300 wins and get it in NY, but unless he's able to pitch like the RJ of 10 years ago, it'll take more than one more year for him do it. If he doesn't get into the HOF on the first ballot, they need to take away the voting rights of anybody who doesn't think he deserves it.
surge511
10-04-06, 04:08 PM
I'd be shocked if Moose retired, he'd be leaving tens of millions of dollars on the table.
While Moose definitely cares about winning championships, I think he cares the most about the money. It is no suprise to me that he had such a good season this year. It guarantees him a 2 year contract for probably 20 million dollars, no matter how banged up he is or how many DL trips he has.
matcohen
10-04-06, 06:58 PM
I'd be shocked if Moose retired, he'd be leaving tens of millions of dollars on the table.
You never know. The guy owns his house in the middle of nowhere PA and likes to play basketball and do crossword puzzles in his spare time.
He has kids.
You never know.
If I had $50 million in the bank, I'd likely retire if I had my professional goals settled (a ring) instead of spending half the year away from my family.
Steph19
10-04-06, 07:51 PM
I haven't read the whole thread so I don't know if this has been brought up, but RJ has actually been significantly worse then an average SP this year. Baseball-reference has him with an 87 ERA+, down from 117 last year (with 100 being average).
If he does retire, he won't be hard to replace.
You never know. The guy owns his house in the middle of nowhere PA and likes to play basketball and do crossword puzzles in his spare time.
He has kids.
You never know.
If I had $50 million in the bank, I'd likely retire if I had my professional goals settled (a ring) instead of spending half the year away from my family.
He still has a chance to be in the HOF if he keeps playing.
If he retired, no chance.
The Yankees got RJ 5 years too late.
He's got 16 million reasons to come back next season.
cmaff05
10-05-06, 05:37 PM
Our big money left hander (haha) has to have a good game tommorow.
keithf1
10-05-06, 06:13 PM
He's got 16 million reasons to come back next season.
You sound like a publicist I know.
JeterRodriguezSheff
10-05-06, 09:04 PM
Our big money left hander (haha) has to have a good game tommorow.
I believe
MatsuiFan55
10-06-06, 08:08 AM
As much as I would love to say yes, there is too much money on the table for him to retire.
RJ better pitch a great game today. Not like that crap he pulled last year against the Angels.
cmaff05
10-06-06, 08:11 AM
RJ better pitch a great game today. Not like that crap he pulled last year against the Angels. 8 innings 1 ER.
:roflmao:
StatenIslandYankee
10-06-06, 08:14 AM
He has 16 million reasons not to.
agreed!!!
Hitman23
10-06-06, 08:16 AM
I just want him to retire a few people tonight.
I'm worried. :upset:
StatenIslandYankee
10-06-06, 08:18 AM
I just want him to retire a few people tonight.
I'm worried. :upset:rofl, that made me chuckle a bit
silverdsl
10-06-06, 08:20 AM
While Moose definitely cares about winning championships, I think he cares the most about the money. It is no suprise to me that he had such a good season this year. It guarantees him a 2 year contract for probably 20 million dollars, no matter how banged up he is or how many DL trips he has.A good season means a player cares most about the money?
I don't see RJ retiring. It's not just the money - I think it's not so easy for any player to walk away, and especially one as competitive as RJ, regardless of what he might have said about retiring if he didn't pitch as well as he once did.
4degrees
10-06-06, 11:14 AM
and who would fill his spot....?
Zito.
grtwhtsk
10-06-06, 01:44 PM
He wants 300 wins, and the guy is not a quitter.
justtxyank
10-06-06, 01:52 PM
I am of the understanding that baseball contracts are guaranteed. My understanding is that even if he retires he still gets his money.
YankeePride1967
10-06-06, 02:56 PM
I am of the understanding that baseball contracts are guaranteed. My understanding is that even if he retires he still gets his money.
First part is right, second part is not. If he retires, he forfeits the money. If not, what would stop someone from retiring the day after signing a deal? Can you picture a Carlos Beltran signing a 7/119 deal and the next day retiring and collecting that money?
WebsterMulligan
10-06-06, 05:30 PM
Dear Mr. Unit,
Please retire immediately after the season ends.
Sincerely,
Web
WebsterMulligan
10-06-06, 05:31 PM
The Yankees got RJ 5 years too late.
I completely agree.
cmaff05
10-06-06, 05:32 PM
WebsterMulligan,
where can i find your randy johnson beachball avatar pic?
JeffWeaverFan
10-06-06, 05:36 PM
No, 200 inning pitchers with sub 4 ERAs are frowned upon here.
Overated pitchers that are going to get over $75 million in free agency are.
WebsterMulligan
10-06-06, 06:45 PM
WebsterMulligan,
where can i find your randy johnson beachball avatar pic?
How much is worth to you? ;)
Mattpat11
10-06-06, 07:54 PM
I never want to see his old ass again. Not this year, not next year, not old timers day, not ever.
keithf1
10-06-06, 07:55 PM
He's really not pitching that bad. Cheap hits. Bad calls.
b_joseph
10-06-06, 07:56 PM
He's really not pitching that bad. Cheap hits. Bad calls.
Exactly...couple bloops..a bouncing ball over his head..a grounder that nearly got a double play..Ump missing the play @ 3rd base.
He is doing fine.
I really don't blame Randy for being terrible. He is in his mid-40s. I blame the offense for having zero psychological fortitude.
He's really not pitching that bad. Cheap hits. Bad calls.
I agree. But they're not taking those runs off the board.
apalradio
10-07-06, 09:47 AM
Unit is done. He knows it, Torre knows it, the players know it, opposing hitters know it. The sooner he abandons this futile attempt to be more than a mere shell of his former self, the sooner we can begin to rebuild our rotation. As good a team as this is, our rotation is shaky. Face it, Randy, your back has done you in.
just-blaze
10-07-06, 12:04 PM
He wants 300 wins, and the guy is not a quitter.
That being said, he is not going to be able to accomplish it next year. Which is why I came up with a crazy idea to restructure or extend the contract to 2 years at a discount. Randy as a number 5 where he could get some extra days off to rest his old body would certainly help a bit. I would love it if he would restructure(not sure its able to be done in MLB) to 2/20 or 2/21
Babe Rules
10-07-06, 06:37 PM
Not likely unfortuneatly
Jglaubman
10-07-06, 06:38 PM
I hope so...
I do not want RJ back in 2007.
devcon13
10-07-06, 06:40 PM
he wants 300 wins
Thankfully it won't happen in a Yankee uniform.:smokin:
Dexileno51
10-07-06, 06:41 PM
i hope he retires...i hate him
ColoradoGuy
10-07-06, 06:56 PM
Randy Johnson should probably retire.
I don't want him back for 2007.
ICEBERG18
10-07-06, 08:21 PM
I hope so.
JapanJobbers
10-07-06, 08:32 PM
Thankfully it won't happen in a Yankee uniform.:smokin:
I'm sure he'll be easy to trade with that contract.
Boogiedown Bomber
10-07-06, 08:50 PM
Thank you for kicking our asses when you played for SEA and ARI and thanks for not doing sh*t when you wore pinstripes.
He does make a nice #4 starter...
His stats do not warrant even a #4 starter. Trade him for anything.
cmaff05
10-07-06, 08:58 PM
Randy makes a good #5 starter on this team. Inconsistent, very inconsistent, but he has the potential to pitch a gem and is pretty much a lock to pitch 200 innings. But as everyone has said, it's borderline absurd to pay a #5 starter 16 mill a year.
YankeesRule51
10-07-06, 09:14 PM
He should retire. He's too old now. His pitching is bad. If not, trade him. Bring back Vasquez.
THEBOSS84
10-07-06, 09:18 PM
Last night after watching the first inning of the Unit pitch, I thought he was sick - fastball at 98 and slider at 90....I dont think he pitched as bad as his line showed. There is chance he will retire - who can walk away from 17-18 million dollars?? I know I wouldn't.
He will be back as the 5th starter for us next season. Behind Moose, Wang, Zito and Matsuzaka
surge511
10-07-06, 10:06 PM
I know that hes got back problems and a bad shoulder, and he possibly needs a hip replacement, so he may physically not be able to come back. However, hes got wins and money that he wants, so I bet he comes back.
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